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SkS booted me Again09-04-2021 16:00
duncan61
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I posted the temperature of Antartica on the SkS facebook where the topic was

Antarctica may seem far away for most of us, yet this remote continent contains enough ice to raise sea levels around the world by tens of metres. Its fate has important implications for coastal regions worldwide and the billions of people who live within them.

It was -80F and I asked if the ice still melts at this temperature and boom all comments were deleted and I can no longer post.Here is the rest of the crap if you can be bothered

Ice currently locked up in the Antarctic ice sheet flows to the coast within rivers of ice, known as ice streams or glaciers. These flow much more rapidly than the surrounding ice.

The acceleration and retreat of the many large glaciers that drain the Antarctic ice sheet is known as "dynamic ice loss". It stubbornly remains the largest single source of uncertainty around projections of future sea level rise (pdf).

One cause for concern is that continued global warming may cause some glaciers to cross a "tipping point" known as the "marine ice sheet instability". A tipping point is a threshold where a small, incremental change could push a system into a completely new state.

Being able to determine if and when a tipping point might be crossed is crucial for climate projections because the resultant change is effectively irreversible. Once crossed, even reducing greenhouse gas emissions back to pre-industrial levels may not be enough to recover what is lost.

In a new study, published in the Cryosphere, my co-authors and I identify three distinct tipping points in model simulations of West Antarctica's vast Pine Island glacier, which – if crossed – could lead to rapid and irreversible retreat. We also show that there are potential early warning indicators that signal when thresholds are approaching.

Tipping points and hysteresis
For an ice sheet to not contribute to sea level, there must be a balance between the mass lost – through melting at the ocean and the breaking off, or "calving", of icebergs – and the mass gained through snowfall.

In a marine ice sheet, such as West Antarctica, the ice rests on ground below sea level. In this case, a situation can arise where retreat of the ice sheet becomes self-sustaining, putting the ice sheet even more out of balance. This "positive feedback" is known as marine ice sheet instability (MISI).

Marine ice sheets are vulnerable to MISI, but the positive feedback that makes this process a tipping point is driven by internal ice dynamics and is sensitive to both local and far-field conditions. This makes it difficult to classify whether a glacier has crossed a tipping point or not.

Tipping points like the MISI are an example of a "hysteresis loop", where the response of a system to a change in conditions depends on the history of that change.

The figure below illustrates different ways that a system – such as a glacier – can respond to a forcing, such as a warming ocean. In example a), the system responds in an approximately linear fashion, with a small response to a large forcing (red arrow), which can be directly recoverable if that forcing reverses (blue arrow). For a glacier, this would mean that while warming would cause the glacier to retreat, cooling would stop – and eventually reverse – that retreat and see the glacier reestablish itself.

In example b), the system has a large response to a small forcing, but it can still be directly recovered.

However, in c), the system has two potential states (x1 and x2). When a tipping point is crossed, the system jumps onto a different branch of the hysteresis loop and returning to the previous branch becomes very difficult. This is hysteresis behaviour.

For a glacier, this could mean crossing a tipping point that sees it continue to retreat to a new, much smaller state even if global warming stopped. And, once in that new state, it would take a much larger drop in global temperatures for the glacier to regrow.


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09-04-2021 17:07
James___
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And yet the ice sheets in western Antarctica are melting because of geothermal heat. Low air temps are not preventing that. Glaciers in Iceland are melting because of the same reason. Who's to say that when massive glaciers are no longer so massive that they don't allow for some tectonic plate rebound? After this, it gets complicated.
09-04-2021 22:31
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James___ wrote:
And yet the ice sheets in western Antarctica are melting because of geothermal heat. Low air temps are not preventing that. Glaciers in Iceland are melting because of the same reason. Who's to say that when massive glaciers are no longer so massive that they don't allow for some tectonic plate rebound? After this, it gets complicated.


Neither is melting.


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09-04-2021 23:05
duncan61
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James .How can you possibly have any information on geothermal heat in Antartica?Its -78 right now and going up to -58 later today.My domestic freezer is at -19 C and it makes ice.-78F is -61 C.Its cold as F"£k.The site creator and moderator John cook will not tolerate any queries on this subject.
10-04-2021 03:57
James___
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duncan61 wrote:
James .How can you possibly have any information on geothermal heat in Antartica?Its -78 right now and going up to -58 later today.My domestic freezer is at -19 C and it makes ice.-78F is -61 C.Its cold as F"£k.The site creator and moderator John cook will not tolerate any queries on this subject.



This should help to explain things for you. the Ross Ice Shelf which often makes the news is also in western Antarctica.

It is well known that there are rivers and lakes beneath Antarctica that drain meltwater to the ocean. Some lakes are as large as Lake Erie and can rapidly drain into the ocean, causing a sudden sinking of the overlying ice.

The numerical model, using constrained melt rates, were able to predict heat sources underneath Antarctica. The team found that the heat coming from beneath Antarctica is constrained to 150 milliwatts per square meter, with a higher heat rate causing too much melting as compared to what is measured. To compare that with other areas, the average heat flux from the Earth is 40-60 milliwatts per square meter and it reaches an average of 200 milliwatts beneath Yellowstone National Park.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/trevornace/2017/11/08/massive-heat-source-was-just-discovered-under-antarctica-driving-melting-volcanism/?sh=1e5f5c57346d


As far as Yellowstone goes, areas around its geysers stay snow free regardless of how cold the park gets. There was a similar area around Siberia/Kamchatka in Russia but a landslide buried it.
With Antarctica, the ice acts as insulation which is why there are lakes and rivers underneath or in the glaciers. This link has a nice illustration. And there are some scientists who say it is geothermal heat causing global warming and will cite this as an example.
https://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/hot-news-from-the-antarctic-underground
10-04-2021 05:48
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Are glaciers of any ecological, or environmental value? Will all life on earth end, if a glaciers disappear? I'm not grasping what the big loss is here. It's just ice, frozen water. Just seems like a non-issue to me.
10-04-2021 07:29
James___
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HarveyH55 wrote:
Are glaciers of any ecological, or environmental value? Will all life on earth end, if a glaciers disappear? I'm not grasping what the big loss is here. It's just ice, frozen water. Just seems like a non-issue to me.



Actually glaciers do have both an ecological and environmental value. They go together. This kind of gets into a world population of over 7 Billion people who like to eat. And if you like seafood, it could make a difference.
The issue is phytoplankton. It converts CO2 into oxygen and is at the bottom of the food chain. Warm water kills it while it flourishes in cold water. An example is fishing in the north Atlantic around Europe. It's declining (the Gulf Stream is slowing and it's getting warmer) and the fishing around Great Britain is becoming more lucrative as a result. It being further north, it has colder waters and more phytoplankton.
And if you consider that when fish spawn, they fertilize the interior of countries like with the US and salmon, it does matter. Basically slightly warmer waters means a little less food while there are simply more mouths to feed. Maybe you should be glad that you're living now? The balance between resources, population and technology might be the envy of the future. We might have it that good.
Edited on 10-04-2021 07:34
10-04-2021 08:11
James___
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To give everyone an idea, China is ready to invade Taiwan which will strengthen its claims on the South China Sea and Russia is ready to protect Russians in Ukraine. During the time of the USSR, the Ukraine was its bread basket producing 25% of its agricultural production.
The Caucus Mountains in eastern Ukraine also have coal while energy exports to Europe and other countries account for 50% of Russia's GDP. Resources are now becoming a reason to go to war.
With fresh water resources declining, who's got the water?

p.s., if you guys are wondering, Taiwan stopped responding to China invading its airspace. They lost too many pilots and aircraft because they don't know how to fly their own planes.

TAIPEI, March 22 (Reuters) - Two Taiwanese fighter jets crashed on Monday in the third such incident in the past half year, at a time when the Beijing-claimed island's armed forced are under increasing pressure to intercept Chinese aircraft on an almost daily basis.

While Taiwan's air force is well trained and well equipped, mostly with U.S.-made equipment, it is dwarfed by China's. Beijing views the democratic island as its own territory and has never renounced the use of force to bring it under Chinese control.
https://www.reuters.com/article/taiwan-defence/taiwan-loses-two-fighter-jets-in-apparent-collision-third-such-crash-in-six-months-idUSL1N2LK0HN


US intelligence thinks within the next 6 years is likely. With Russia and Ukraine, Russia is amassing forces at the border as it claims Ukraine is, one news story;

Russia fears the resumption of hostilities in Ukraine which would pose a threat to the country's security, Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov said on Friday.

Recent developments in southeast Ukraine show that the country's authorities have not given up ideas of implementing a military solution to the problem, Peskov told reporters in Moscow.
https://www.aa.com.tr/en/politics/kremlin-escalation-in-ukraine-poses-threat-to-russia/2204090


https://www.axios.com/russian-troops-ukraine-border-donbas-military-d742ad06-1bf2-4273-a8aa-968ee8146e1f.html

Edited on 10-04-2021 08:31
10-04-2021 09:38
James___
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I like discussing the climate better. Then again I have my own goals that I am pursuing. In a way I'd be fükking with people's minds like yours. You don't understand how "cool" our atmosphere really is.
And we're back to https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZMS_n1l3Wxc

On Saturday I will be working on an animation that I am making. I am also building it. The background will be a picture of Aalesund, Norway. I'm from Ohio yet have lived there as well.

With the environment, what has not been made known is how depletion of the stratospheric ozone layer and a warmer planet impacts phytoplankton. Why this matters is that there is no good balance between growing crops and fishing. It all comes back to "making do".
10-04-2021 18:56
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Ice, is still ice, frozen water. What makes glacier ice so special? Plankton doesn't live in ice, just liquid water. The water is still plenty cold, with glaciers. Polar ice only partially melts each year, and reforms. Glaciers are some of that hold over ice, that never really melts much. It's the accumulation, leftovers, that never really do anything.
11-04-2021 23:52
James___
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HarveyH55 wrote:
Ice, is still ice, frozen water. What makes glacier ice so special? Plankton doesn't live in ice, just liquid water. The water is still plenty cold, with glaciers. Polar ice only partially melts each year, and reforms. Glaciers are some of that hold over ice, that never really melts much. It's the accumulation, leftovers, that never really do anything.



More glaciers means that we have cooler seas. Fishing around Europe is becoming more difficult because of the Gulf Stream warming. Fish are migrating further north. You might want to think about investing in high speed internet. It's worth it.
Myself I stream both NetFlix and Roku with no problem. And if there is something that interests me like porn, 1 out of 6 people enjoy it. Some porn for IBDM. Math is sot HOT!!!


p.s., with what is shown, she turns it into a trinomial. Here's a link to the video;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rBnQiLa2TYo
And as with most things, if you understand how sequences connect events, it might make things a little more interesting for you.
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Edited on 12-04-2021 00:13
12-04-2021 00:15
IBdaMannProfile picture★★★★★
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James___ wrote:I like discussing the climate better.


So did Betty Botter.

Betty Botter had bought a bit of bitter Climate.
"But" said Betty Botter, this Climate is bitter.
If I put this bitter Climate in my batter,
it will basically make my beautiful batter bitter."
So Betty Botter bought a bit of better Climate
to put in her batter to make her batter better.

12-04-2021 00:29
HarveyH55Profile picture★★★★★
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Think you are confusing glaciers and icebergs... Most of the glaciers on the planet, aren't close enough to the ocean, to have any influence. Glacier ice, is also legacy ice, didn't melt (yet), so obviously hadn't been involved in any transfer of thermal energy. TV rots your mind. Your obession with porn, indicates a significant portion has gone bad. Really don't have the time or patience to watch much TV.
12-04-2021 01:34
James___
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IBdaMann wrote:
James___ wrote:I like discussing the climate better.


So did Betty Botter.

Betty Botter had bought a bit of bitter Climate.
"But" said Betty Botter, this Climate is bitter.
If I put this bitter Climate in my batter,
it will basically make my beautiful batter bitter."
So Betty Botter bought a bit of better Climate
to put in her batter to make her batter better.




Just a quick question if you don't mind. Is your animation running on top of the thinking man and he has a green screen? Then if you change the transparency of the image in front, it would be what we are seeing, right?
I'm asking for a friend.
12-04-2021 01:44
James___
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HarveyH55 wrote:
Think you are confusing glaciers and icebergs... Most of the glaciers on the planet, aren't close enough to the ocean, to have any influence. Glacier ice, is also legacy ice, didn't melt (yet), so obviously hadn't been involved in any transfer of thermal energy. TV rots your mind. Your obession with porn, indicates a significant portion has gone bad. Really don't have the time or patience to watch much TV.



Your obession with porn, indicates a significant portion has gone bad.


Yet if things work out for me, what then? I think it'd show that taking the time to learn isn't a waste of time.
With glaciers, if you were to consider all of the glaciers and their mass, that would be representative of the Earth's average global temperature.
12-04-2021 01:55
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James___ wrote:Just a quick question if you don't mind. Is your animation running on top of the thinking man and he has a green screen? Then if you change the transparency of the image in front, it would be what we are seeing, right? I'm asking for a friend.

I'm happy to explain ... I just need to know your proficiency with Photoshop/GIMP.

Have you worked with GIFs and are you familiar with layer/blending modes?



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12-04-2021 02:08
James___
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IBdaMann wrote:
James___ wrote:Just a quick question if you don't mind. Is your animation running on top of the thinking man and he has a green screen? Then if you change the transparency of the image in front, it would be what we are seeing, right? I'm asking for a friend.

I'm happy to explain ... I just need to know your proficiency with Photoshop/GIMP.

Have you worked with GIFs and are you familiar with layer/blending modes?



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I'm familiar with Final Cut Pro. I was thinking that with your gif, if the background behind him was moving, then it would focus the "action" on him.
I know with Final Cut that you have track 1 or the main track but you can still put an image over it when audio is under it on the screen.
When layering, it seems that it considers what is actually presented. Otherwise anything below the main video should not be recognized by the program when it's not audio. With my animation, I used 3 layers. The audio would have been a 4th layer. The background being the cool blue, then the large disc and then the wheel itself.
Any chance you could try the animation behind the man? That might be more "profound".

@Harvey, my local library has a digital studio which I use and have taken classes.
At home I have both Blender and Open Shot Video Editor. From what I know, Blender is SketchUp. I learned on CATIA which is computer aided 3 dimensional interactive design programming. CATIA is used for designing airplanes using a fiber optic network. Still, I like doing what I can. Maybe you can give things a try?

p.s., @IBDM, with what he is sitting on, if that were a different layer might create a cooler effect. You know, if it were a part of the background, then it'd be about him.
Edited on 12-04-2021 02:50
12-04-2021 02:42
James___
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With Final Cut Pro, it doesn't list the layers like this, it simply shows them. Layer 0 is it, right? I will need to take time to learn both Blender and Open Shot. I do run both Windows and Linux on my pc. It's like being 1/2 Norwegian and 1/2 American.
Which system to use? And yet I work with 3 different systems. The library uses Apple. It's at home that I use 2 different ones. I prefer Linux but Windows I mostly use for its paint program. I edited the images I made on Linux and SketchUp with.
Am giving away secrets here, okay?


p.s., and for fun, I can play around with music and different tracks. This includes adding synthesized tracks as well. I'm not sure about separating recorded music though. Unless it's played simultaneously as different tracks, then it is one track being played. That'd be mono.
So with stereo, 2 tracks and with quadrophenia, 4 tracks. That has to do with what port the music is being distributed to.


p.s.s., with my own computer, I kept crashing my computer. At the local library, they have the memory and most likely more processing power.

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Edited on 12-04-2021 02:54
12-04-2021 03:42
IBdaMannProfile picture★★★★★
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James___ wrote: I'm familiar with Final Cut Pro.

Final Cut is video editing software. I'm strictly image manipulation and there is no audio involved.

GIFs are like flipbooks, i.e. the ones where you flip the pages and each page has an image that is very close to the previous image and creates the illusion of motion (or animation) as you flip the pages. If you load a GIF into either GIMP or Photoshop, each frame becomes a layer, with layer 1 being Frame 1 (where the animation starts) and the GIF format simply cycles through all the layers and then repeats.

To make the GIF that I am using as my signature this week, I started with this GIF which belongs to Spherical Art (be sure to visit their page on GIPHY)



This GIF is comprised of 144 frames (layers) each specified for 40 milliseconds. I then took the below attached image of The Thinker and added it as the top layer (i.e. layer 145) and set its layer/blending mode to "grain merge" which created the image you see. I performed the "grain merge" with all 144 frames, creating 144 new frames that I assembled into a new, separate GIF and then stored it on GIPHY.

All of my animations involve reusing other animated GIFs by combining one or more in a new animation with some arbitrarily chosen images from the internet and a few of my own touches ... to create something new.

James___ wrote: I was thinking that with your gif, if the background behind him was moving, then it would focus the "action" on him.

Well, great minds think alike. That is what I did. The image of Rodan's Thinker was imposed atop the animated background.

James___ wrote: Any chance you could try the animation behind the man? That might be more "profound".

I could not do the reverse, i.e. set the Thinker beneath the animation because then the image would be transparent (Alpha Channel) everywhere outside the Thinker and the GIF format would simply convert it black. That would suck.

James___ wrote:p.s., @IBDM, with what he is sitting on, if that were a different layer might create a cooler effect. You know, if it were a part of the background.

It was a possibility that crossed my mind, but with the animation being 144 frames (lot of work) I knew that I was definitely going to use the same animation on the Thinker's seat so no separate layer was needed.



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12-04-2021 03:54
James___
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IBdaMann wrote:
James___ wrote: I'm familiar with Final Cut Pro.

Final Cut is video editing software. I'm strictly image manipulation and there is no audio involved.

GIFs are like flipbooks, i.e. the ones where you flip the pages and each page has an image that is very close to the previous image and creates the illusion of motion (or animation) as you flip the pages. If you load a GIF into either GIMP or Photoshop, each frame becomes a layer, with layer 1 being Frame 1 (where the animation starts) and the GIF format simply cycles through all the layers and then repeats.

To make the GIF that I am using as my signature this week, I started with this GIF which belongs to Spherical Art (be sure to visit their page on GIPHY)



This GIF is comprised of 144 frames (layers) each specified for 40 milliseconds. I then took the below attached image of The Thinker and added it as the top layer (i.e. layer 145) and set its layer/blending mode to "grain merge" which created the image you see. I performed the "grain merge" with all 144 frames, creating 144 new frames that I assembled into a new, separate GIF and then stored it on GIPHY.

All of my animations involve reusing other animated GIFs by combining one or more in a new animation with some arbitrarily chosen images from the internet and a few of my own touches ... to create something new.

James___ wrote: I was thinking that with your gif, if the background behind him was moving, then it would focus the "action" on him.

Well, great minds think alike. That is what I did. The image of Rodan's Thinker was imposed atop the animated background.

James___ wrote: Any chance you could try the animation behind the man? That might be more "profound".

I could not do the reverse, i.e. set the Thinker beneath the animation because then the image would be transparent (Alpha Channel) everywhere outside the Thinker and the GIF format would simply convert it black. That would suck.

James___ wrote:p.s., @IBDM, with what he is sitting on, if that were a different layer might create a cooler effect. You know, if it were a part of the background.

It was a possibility that crossed my mind, but with the animation being 144 frames (lot of work) I knew that I was definitely going to use the same animation on the Thinker's seat so no separate layer was needed.



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And now you have an idea of what I went through to make my animation. With the software I was using, I was limited to the frame rate. I think it was one frame every 0.2 seconds or 20 frames in 4 seconds. This goes back (possibly) to the time frame that I imported the images into. Each image was 4 seconds per image. A smaller time frame made it more difficult to drag the images down into a channel to make a composite video with.
And with what I posted, it was 180 frames per sequence. And I created each one individually. With what you do, am not sure what it takes to capture each image, especially in a gif but it might be comparable.
For some of what Harvey posts on YouTube, he might find out what's available. I know Phoenix, Arizona has one of the coolest sunrises over the Superstition Mountains. That makes it worthwhile to get up at 5 or 6 am and have a pot of coffee on.


p.s., it's better than this, much better. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hVOIV9ISrAY
12-04-2021 04:07
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IBdaMann wrote:
James___ wrote:I like discussing the climate better.


So did Betty Botter.

Betty Botter had bought a bit of bitter Climate.
"But" said Betty Botter, this Climate is bitter.
If I put this bitter Climate in my batter,
it will basically make my beautiful batter bitter."
So Betty Botter bought a bit of better Climate
to put in her batter to make her batter better.



Was the bitter batter Betty Botter's bitchin' peanut butter bitter climate batter?


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12-04-2021 04:12
James___
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@IBDM, if you can separate the Thinking Man from his seat, then he would be the first layer. The animation might be best as the 2nd layer. Just try clips that are 30 images long. Then you can shift their position as far as layering goes.
That could make a really cool gif and it might have more to do with how you layer them.
12-04-2021 04:14
James___
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GasGuzzler wrote:


Was the bitter batter Betty Botter's bitchin' peanut butter bitter climate batter?



Can you upload those files? It would be much appreciated and Thank You!!
12-04-2021 04:20
James___
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And a picture of some bare naked ladies.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fC_q9KPczAg

U gotta have "Sum Fun" in life.



I mean seriously, if I had friends besides you guys, do you think I'd be posting in here? Life sucks and this is a good place to vent.
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12-04-2021 04:21
IBdaMannProfile picture★★★★★
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James___ wrote:@IBDM, if you can separate the Thinking Man from his seat, then he would be the first layer.

If I separate the Thinker from his seat then I discard the seat. I would rather use the real estate for something else such as in these examples:





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12-04-2021 04:30
James___
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I like the first and 3rd ones the best. And one day "son", you'll learn what you can do. It is nice to know that you are on your way.


p.s., https://www.facebook.com/VesteralenPhoto/videos/280497926959674
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12-04-2021 08:27
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James___ wrote:p.s., https://www.facebook.com/VesteralenPhoto/videos/280497926959674

Amazing scenery at 0:31!

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12-04-2021 08:28
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IBdaMann wrote:
James___ wrote:p.s., https://www.facebook.com/VesteralenPhoto/videos/280497926959674

Amazing scenery at 0:31!

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... and at 1:35!

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15-04-2021 00:22
James___
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IBdaMann wrote:
James___ wrote:p.s., https://www.facebook.com/VesteralenPhoto/videos/280497926959674

Amazing scenery at 0:31!

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Is that a self portrait? You look like a neanderthal.




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