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04-06-2019 16:19
IBdaMannProfile picture★★★★★
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GasGuzzler wrote:
keepit wrote:
So many misconceptions! I like the one about never having to work.

If not from income, then where does your spending money come from?

Maybe keepit is a trust fund baby ... you know, the kind that Marxists villify as Satan-spawns.

Wouldn't that be a hoot?


A Spaghetti strainer with the faucet running, retains water- tmiddles

Clouds don't trap heat. Clouds block cold. - Spongy Iris

Printing dollars to pay debt doesn't increase the number of dollars. - keepit

If Venus were a black body it would have a much much lower temperature than what we found there.- tmiddles

Ah the "Valid Data" myth of ITN/IBD. - tmiddles

Ceist - I couldn't agree with you more. But when money and religion are involved, and there are people who value them above all else, then the lies begin. - trafn

You are completely misunderstanding their use of the word "accumulation"! - Climate Scientist.

The Stefan-Boltzman equation doesn't come up with the correct temperature if greenhouse gases are not considered - Hank

:*sigh* Not the "raw data" crap. - Leafsdude

IB STILL hasn't explained what Planck's Law means. Just more hand waving that it applies to everything and more asserting that the greenhouse effect 'violates' it.- Ceist
04-06-2019 16:29
GasGuzzlerProfile picture★★★★☆
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IBdaMann wrote:
GasGuzzler wrote:
keepit wrote:
So many misconceptions! I like the one about never having to work.

If not from income, then where does your spending money come from?

Maybe keepit is a trust fund baby ... you know, the kind that Marxists villify as Satan-spawns.

Wouldn't that be a hoot?


Ha! A lifelong friend of mine was a trust fund baby. The trust was set up so that it could only be spent on college until he was 25. "Visiting" a college for "possible" enrollment was allowable spending. Do you have any idea how many colleges he visited(and beers consumed) by the time he was 25?? He never attended one day of schooling! Damn fool.

Keepit are you a trust fund kid?


All the time the base and surface are at equal temperature as the equilibrium graduates to establish the temperature development--Pete Rogers
Edited on 04-06-2019 16:30
04-06-2019 18:36
keepit
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I'm not a trust fund baby. Just an old retired geezer. I worked hard in my day.
By the way, are there any countries nowadays that are Marxist?
It seems to me that it would take a stubborn dictator to control a country in a Marxist way yet a dictator would just dictate, not necessarily in the way of a 200 year old constitution (manifesto).
I'm way out of my league here on this stuff. I've never even voted. I just form opinions issue by issue, not adhering to any political party.
04-06-2019 18:57
GasGuzzlerProfile picture★★★★☆
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keepit wrote:
I just form opinions issue by issue, not adhering to any political party.


Quick question, why is "climate change" divided largely along party lines, with the majority of democrats/socialists/liberals/marxists in support of "action"?


All the time the base and surface are at equal temperature as the equilibrium graduates to establish the temperature development--Pete Rogers
04-06-2019 19:14
keepit
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"Follow the money." might be an answer. It's probably not a very good answer, too vague.
Another answer might be that people seem to follow party lines nowadays, no matter what the issue.
I have a number of republican friends. I don't know why but they seem to hang closer and longer. Thank goodness for that.
04-06-2019 19:28
Into the NightProfile picture★★★★★
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keepit wrote:
I'm not a trust fund baby. Just an old retired geezer. I worked hard in my day.

I don't believe you. Your whole argument says otherwise.
keepit wrote:
By the way, are there any countries nowadays that are Marxist?

Another reason I don't believe you. An old geezer would know who Karl Marx is and what he proposed.
keepit wrote:
It seems to me that it would take a stubborn dictator to control a country in a Marxist way

Brutality and Marxism go hand in hand. Socialism requires a dictator or an oligarchy to be implemented. People don't like to have their wealth stolen.
keepit wrote:
yet a dictator would just dictate, not necessarily in the way of a 200 year old constitution (manifesto).

Yes. Necessarily. It is the reason for the dictatorship.
keepit wrote:
I'm way out of my league here on this stuff. I've never even voted.

Another reason I don't believe your stated age.
keepit wrote:
I just form opinions issue by issue, not adhering to any political party.

Every political opinion formed adheres to some political party, even though you may not realize it. There is a political party for every political opinion.


The Parrot Killer

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04-06-2019 19:32
keepit
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I don't know what to say Parrot. I just don't know what to say.
Better to not offend people in a personal way.
04-06-2019 19:35
Into the NightProfile picture★★★★★
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keepit wrote:
"Follow the money." might be an answer. It's probably not a very good answer, too vague.

Then you have utterly failed. Following the money reveals a lot about the people that pushing the Church of Global Warming.
keepit wrote:
Another answer might be that people seem to follow party lines nowadays, no matter what the issue.

Some do. Most don't.
keepit wrote:
I have a number of republican friends. I don't know why but they seem to hang closer and longer. Thank goodness for that.

I assume you mean those who belong to the Republican party.

A republic is government by constitution. The Republican Party has not always wanted to honor the Constitution of the United States. Case in point: the 14th 'amendment', passed under duress imposed by Republicans.


The Parrot Killer

Debunked in my sig. - tmiddles

Google keeps track of paranoid talk and i'm not on their list. I've been evaluated and certified. - keepit
04-06-2019 20:28
IBdaMannProfile picture★★★★★
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keepit wrote: I don't know what to say Parrot. I just don't know what to say. Better to not offend people in a personal way.

Into the Night is simply saying that he doesn't believe you. Take a quick read through the Communist Manifesto (it's short) and despite realizing that it was written almost two centuries ago you will be able to think through Democrat platforms and see direct links.

Also, Marxists are united in solidarity in their membership in the Church of Global Warming, including acceptance of every violation of physics as being "settled science."


A Spaghetti strainer with the faucet running, retains water- tmiddles

Clouds don't trap heat. Clouds block cold. - Spongy Iris

Printing dollars to pay debt doesn't increase the number of dollars. - keepit

If Venus were a black body it would have a much much lower temperature than what we found there.- tmiddles

Ah the "Valid Data" myth of ITN/IBD. - tmiddles

Ceist - I couldn't agree with you more. But when money and religion are involved, and there are people who value them above all else, then the lies begin. - trafn

You are completely misunderstanding their use of the word "accumulation"! - Climate Scientist.

The Stefan-Boltzman equation doesn't come up with the correct temperature if greenhouse gases are not considered - Hank

:*sigh* Not the "raw data" crap. - Leafsdude

IB STILL hasn't explained what Planck's Law means. Just more hand waving that it applies to everything and more asserting that the greenhouse effect 'violates' it.- Ceist
Edited on 04-06-2019 20:30
04-06-2019 22:32
Into the NightProfile picture★★★★★
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keepit wrote:
I don't know what to say Parrot. I just don't know what to say.
Better to not offend people in a personal way.


Contextomy fallacy. Inversion fallacy. YOU are offending people in a personal way. YOU want to shut down the economy. That's a personal offense, dude.

All because you believe CO2 has magickal properties.


The Parrot Killer

Debunked in my sig. - tmiddles

Google keeps track of paranoid talk and i'm not on their list. I've been evaluated and certified. - keepit
04-06-2019 22:36
keepit
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I couldn't agree less Into the Night.
You're just disgruntled because we have different opinions. It's not personal.
Who is going to pay for your health care when you get old?
04-06-2019 22:41
Into the NightProfile picture★★★★★
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keepit wrote:
I couldn't agree less Into the Night.

Because you are pushing socialism.
keepit wrote:
You're just disgruntled because we have different opinions. It's not personal.

It IS personal. You are taking MY money by force.
keepit wrote:
Who is going to pay for your health care when you get old?

Me.


The Parrot Killer

Debunked in my sig. - tmiddles

Google keeps track of paranoid talk and i'm not on their list. I've been evaluated and certified. - keepit
04-06-2019 22:47
keepit
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ItN.
I doubt you'll have enough money for that. Have you gotten any hospital bills lately.
04-06-2019 23:10
Into the NightProfile picture★★★★★
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keepit wrote:
ItN.
I doubt you'll have enough money for that. Have you gotten any hospital bills lately.


But I do. The last hospital bill I had to pay for was about 3 years ago (abdominal surgery). I was not the patient.


The Parrot Killer

Debunked in my sig. - tmiddles

Google keeps track of paranoid talk and i'm not on their list. I've been evaluated and certified. - keepit
04-06-2019 23:13
keepit
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That's good that you have that. Very few people do. Whos' going to pay for their health care?
04-06-2019 23:22
Into the NightProfile picture★★★★★
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keepit wrote:
That's good that you have that. Very few people do. Whos' going to pay for their health care?


They will. If they can't, there are various welfare institutions including churches, privately funded welfare organizations, and even direct donations by doctors and hospitals.

Most people have the means to pay for their own health care.

You are justifying being a bum, and only highlighting the misery that socialism brings.


The Parrot Killer

Debunked in my sig. - tmiddles

Google keeps track of paranoid talk and i'm not on their list. I've been evaluated and certified. - keepit
04-06-2019 23:24
keepit
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Oh, come on ItN. I'm not a bum and most people can't pay for their own health care.
04-06-2019 23:34
Into the NightProfile picture★★★★★
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keepit wrote:
Oh, come on ItN. I'm not a bum and most people can't pay for their own health care.


Yes you are. You are forcibly taking MY money to pay for YOUR healthcare.

I not only pay for my own healthcare, I am forced to pay for YOURS.

That's being a bum. You are lying to yourself again.


The Parrot Killer

Debunked in my sig. - tmiddles

Google keeps track of paranoid talk and i'm not on their list. I've been evaluated and certified. - keepit
04-06-2019 23:38
keepit
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I couldn't agree less ItN. I don't care if you don't pay into medicare and I didn't make the medicare law. I don't even vote.
04-06-2019 23:42
keepit
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ItN,
I guess i've irritated you too much. Sorry about that. Maybe you should argue with someone else.
05-06-2019 00:33
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keepit wrote:
ItN,
I guess i've irritated you too much. Sorry about that. Maybe you should argue with someone else.

I've had lots of interactions with ITN on various forums and the LAST thing he ever gets is irritated... he has loads of fun arguing with people such as yourself... I have too embraced that fun as of lately... we want you to keep posting.
05-06-2019 00:44
Into the NightProfile picture★★★★★
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keepit wrote:
I couldn't agree less ItN. I don't care if you don't pay into medicare and I didn't make the medicare law. I don't even vote.


Obviously you don't care about the people forced to pay for YOUR health care. They are nothing. That's a personal attitude problem that YOU have with people like me. You discard me as a nothing. You could care less, just so long as I am forced to continue to pay for YOUR health care.


The Parrot Killer

Debunked in my sig. - tmiddles

Google keeps track of paranoid talk and i'm not on their list. I've been evaluated and certified. - keepit
05-06-2019 00:45
Into the NightProfile picture★★★★★
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keepit wrote:
ItN,
I guess i've irritated you too much. Sorry about that. Maybe you should argue with someone else.


This is your own paranoia speaking again. No one is insulting you. I am not irritated. However I WILL fight socialism wherever I find it. It is theft.


The Parrot Killer

Debunked in my sig. - tmiddles

Google keeps track of paranoid talk and i'm not on their list. I've been evaluated and certified. - keepit
05-06-2019 00:46
keepit
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ItN,
I paid into the medicare trust fund for 50 years. It's my money, not yours.
If that makes me a trust fund baby as far as medicare, so what?
05-06-2019 00:49
keepit
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I don't see a little socialism as a threat and some don't see a little global warming as a threat.
Besides paying into medicare for 50 years, i participated in the health care system for 10 years.
Because of those things i deserve health care care in my old age. And i'm pretty old!
Edited on 05-06-2019 00:59
05-06-2019 01:12
Into the NightProfile picture★★★★★
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keepit wrote:
ItN,
I paid into the medicare trust fund for 50 years.

Medicare is not a trust fund. You paid into it because you are required to. It's a tax. You were FORCED to pay it.
keepit wrote:
It's my money, not yours.

BULLSHIT!! You do NOT have a legitimate claim to MY money!
keepit wrote:
If that makes me a trust fund baby as far as medicare, so what?

Medicare is not a trust. It is socialism. It is theft.


The Parrot Killer

Debunked in my sig. - tmiddles

Google keeps track of paranoid talk and i'm not on their list. I've been evaluated and certified. - keepit
05-06-2019 01:16
Into the NightProfile picture★★★★★
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keepit wrote:
I don't see a little socialism as a threat
All socialism is theft. So you don't see a little theft as a thread, eh? Theft is theft, dude.
keepit wrote:
and some don't see a little global warming as a threat.
Define 'global warming'. There is no such thing as a little part of an undefined phrase.
keepit wrote:
Besides paying into medicare for 50 years,
Because you were forced to.
keepit wrote:
i participated in the health care system for 10 years.
Only ten? How can you claim you paid the medicare tax and claim you have been involved in the health care system for only 10 years??? You are locked into another paradox, dude. Which is it?
keepit wrote:
Because of those things i deserve health care care in my old age. And i'm pretty old!

You DESERVE NOTHING! Absolutely NOTHING gives you the right to claim MY money by force!


The Parrot Killer

Debunked in my sig. - tmiddles

Google keeps track of paranoid talk and i'm not on their list. I've been evaluated and certified. - keepit
05-06-2019 01:26
keepit
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(1684)
ItN,
I'm not claimnng your money, i'm claiming mine.
05-06-2019 01:38
keepit
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(1684)
Remember the old song, "We Built This City on Rock and Roll" by Starship?
Great song.
We built this country on hard work, good decisions, and a little bit of smoke and mirrors.
Thank goodness!
05-06-2019 02:00
keepit
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(1684)
This great country wasn't built on insults, false accusations, and misconceptions.
05-06-2019 02:16
Into the NightProfile picture★★★★★
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keepit wrote:
ItN,
I'm not claimnng your money, i'm claiming mine.


WRONG. Medicare is NOT a trust fund.


The Parrot Killer

Debunked in my sig. - tmiddles

Google keeps track of paranoid talk and i'm not on their list. I've been evaluated and certified. - keepit
05-06-2019 02:16
Into the NightProfile picture★★★★★
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keepit wrote:
Remember the old song, "We Built This City on Rock and Roll" by Starship?
Great song.
We built this country on hard work, good decisions, and a little bit of smoke and mirrors.
Thank goodness!


But you want to tear all that down. Which is it, dude?


The Parrot Killer

Debunked in my sig. - tmiddles

Google keeps track of paranoid talk and i'm not on their list. I've been evaluated and certified. - keepit
05-06-2019 02:17
Into the NightProfile picture★★★★★
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keepit wrote:
This great country wasn't built on insults, false accusations, and misconceptions.


Fallacy fallacy, borne out of your own paranoia.


The Parrot Killer

Debunked in my sig. - tmiddles

Google keeps track of paranoid talk and i'm not on their list. I've been evaluated and certified. - keepit
05-06-2019 16:05
IBdaMannProfile picture★★★★★
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keepit wrote:
This great country wasn't built on insults, false accusations, and misconceptions.

Unfortunately this country was founded on all of those as well, and they have never ceased. I hope you haven't already forgotten ...

Misconceptions:
In two national polls, Clinton has moved to a double-digit lead. In the RealClearPolitics average, her percentage is up to about 48 percent in a two-person race; in the Pollster.com average, she breaks 49 percent. According to the RCP electoral map with no toss-ups, she has 340 electoral votes to Trump's 198. Yup, right now this looks more like Ronald Reagan's 1980 romp than either of Obama's wins.


Insults:

Michelle Wolf at the White House Press Conference:

"And I'm never really sure what to call Sarah Huckabee Sanders. You know, is it Sarah Sanders? Is Sarah Huckabee Sanders? Is it Cousin Huckabee? Is it Auntie Huckabee Sanders? Like, what's Uncle Tom but for white women who disappoint other white women? Oh, I know: Aunt Coulter."

"A lot of people want Trump to be impeached. I do not. Because just when you think Trump is awful, you remember Mike Pence. Mike Pence is what happens when Anderson Cooper isn't gay.

Mike Pence is the kind of guy that brushes his teeth and then drinks orange juice and thinks, "Mmm." Mike Pence is also very anti-choice. He thinks abortion is murder, which, first of all, don't knock it till you try it. And when you do try it, really knock it. You know, you got to get that baby out of there."


False Accusations:

Adam Schiff: There is 'ample evidence' of collusion between Trump campaign, Russians
Erin V. (GNS) Kelly, USA TODAY Published 12:25 p.m. ET Feb. 14, 2018 | Updated 3:50 p.m. ET Feb. 14, 2018



A Spaghetti strainer with the faucet running, retains water- tmiddles

Clouds don't trap heat. Clouds block cold. - Spongy Iris

Printing dollars to pay debt doesn't increase the number of dollars. - keepit

If Venus were a black body it would have a much much lower temperature than what we found there.- tmiddles

Ah the "Valid Data" myth of ITN/IBD. - tmiddles

Ceist - I couldn't agree with you more. But when money and religion are involved, and there are people who value them above all else, then the lies begin. - trafn

You are completely misunderstanding their use of the word "accumulation"! - Climate Scientist.

The Stefan-Boltzman equation doesn't come up with the correct temperature if greenhouse gases are not considered - Hank

:*sigh* Not the "raw data" crap. - Leafsdude

IB STILL hasn't explained what Planck's Law means. Just more hand waving that it applies to everything and more asserting that the greenhouse effect 'violates' it.- Ceist
05-06-2019 17:03
keepit
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IBDaMann,
I get what you're saying there although i wish i had a few extra smarts to fully appreciate it.
21-07-2019 15:42
tmiddlesProfile picture★★★★★
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keepit wrote:
Because of those things i deserve health care care in my old age. And i'm pretty old!


What are your thoughts on the potential for the human population to level off soon and then begin to decline due to voluntarily low birth rates. It seems like we may be headed there.

Sort of fixes a lot of problems outside of the stock market at least, to have a shrinking population for the first time in a great while.
21-07-2019 16:03
IBdaMannProfile picture★★★★★
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tmiddles wrote:
What are your thoughts on the potential for the human population to level off soon and then begin to decline due to voluntarily low birth rates. It seems like we may be headed there.

Sort of fixes a lot of problems outside of the stock market at least, to have a shrinking population for the first time in a great while.

This is an economics question. The answer is that it won't happen (referring to population decreases via voluntary low birth rates).

The impoverished have many children to increase the chances of having successful children. The wealthy increase the success of their offspring by having fewer of them and dedicating greater resources and greater inheritance to each of fewer children. Ergo, human nature drives human behavior which causes increased amounts of wealth to become concentrated into the hands of fewer people while the population of the impoverished continues to grow at a much greater rate. .

In China there is rampant poverty but a low birth rate ... because the low birth rate is not voluntary.


A Spaghetti strainer with the faucet running, retains water- tmiddles

Clouds don't trap heat. Clouds block cold. - Spongy Iris

Printing dollars to pay debt doesn't increase the number of dollars. - keepit

If Venus were a black body it would have a much much lower temperature than what we found there.- tmiddles

Ah the "Valid Data" myth of ITN/IBD. - tmiddles

Ceist - I couldn't agree with you more. But when money and religion are involved, and there are people who value them above all else, then the lies begin. - trafn

You are completely misunderstanding their use of the word "accumulation"! - Climate Scientist.

The Stefan-Boltzman equation doesn't come up with the correct temperature if greenhouse gases are not considered - Hank

:*sigh* Not the "raw data" crap. - Leafsdude

IB STILL hasn't explained what Planck's Law means. Just more hand waving that it applies to everything and more asserting that the greenhouse effect 'violates' it.- Ceist
21-07-2019 18:23
keepit
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tmiddles - i think an effective way of decreasing the birth rate is to educate women. Then they have a way to make a living other then raising children. I guess working keeps them too busy to care for a lot of children also.
Anyway, there are people who study population growth and they think population will level off in the next several decades. Limited resources and a population that will be using more resources per person is one of the reasons i think. Not in africa though and that continent is already in dire straits.
Often wrong - never in doubt!
21-07-2019 21:55
IBdaMannProfile picture★★★★★
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keepit wrote: tmiddles - i think an effective way of decreasing the birth rate is to educate women.

How will educating women change human nature?

Wealthy and middle class, regardless of gender or education level, statistically have fewer children because that increases the odds of success for their children.

The poor, regardless of gender or education level, statisitically have more children because that increases the odds of one or more becoming successful.

keepit wrote: Then they have a way to make a living other then raising children.

This makes no sense. How would the ability to provide for more children cause women to have fewer children than they otherwise would?

keepit wrote: Anyway, there are people who study population growth and they think population will level off in the next several decades.

There's only one person of whom I am aware who believes this. I watched his entire video and came away with the opinion that he wasn't being very honest.

Yes, in "several" decades many places on earth will become incapable of supporting the population growth they are experiencing now. Nothing in his dissertation explained any sort of anticipated change in human nature so any sort of tapering off of population growth will be increases in deaths, not reductions in births.


A Spaghetti strainer with the faucet running, retains water- tmiddles

Clouds don't trap heat. Clouds block cold. - Spongy Iris

Printing dollars to pay debt doesn't increase the number of dollars. - keepit

If Venus were a black body it would have a much much lower temperature than what we found there.- tmiddles

Ah the "Valid Data" myth of ITN/IBD. - tmiddles

Ceist - I couldn't agree with you more. But when money and religion are involved, and there are people who value them above all else, then the lies begin. - trafn

You are completely misunderstanding their use of the word "accumulation"! - Climate Scientist.

The Stefan-Boltzman equation doesn't come up with the correct temperature if greenhouse gases are not considered - Hank

:*sigh* Not the "raw data" crap. - Leafsdude

IB STILL hasn't explained what Planck's Law means. Just more hand waving that it applies to everything and more asserting that the greenhouse effect 'violates' it.- Ceist
21-07-2019 22:18
HarveyH55
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Personally, I blame welfare, and all the free money and stuff, or government, and many across the world. When you have to work to support yourself, and family, you have less time and energy to create more kids, which will require more work to support. There are consequences for your romantic actions. Welfare just removes the work and responsibility, lessens the consequences. Less work, is more time to get into trouble. It's not just unplanned pregnancy, but a lot of other problems, like drugs and crimes, idle hands, are the devil's workshop... If people had to pay for their own kids, they would naturally be more careful about creating more. But, we can't stand to see kids starve and suffer, so we give the parent(s) money and resource, quite generously, so the kids can grow up healthy and happy. Usually, more than enough, so mom and dad can afford another kid or two, which usually means more assistance. The kids just grow up, know how the system works, and continue on the tradition. It's really rewarding lack of responsibility. Most people take responsibility, punch the clock, work 8 or more hours a day, pay their bills. On welfare, you've got all day, to figure out how to spend all those hours other people, and how to get the most fun, off the free money, get more free money and resources. Welfare isn't the food, and clothing, or anything else people need, it's cash money, they can spend on anything. Might not be quite as simple as a credit card, but it's still money, free money, and there will be more, every month. There are rules, but easy to work around, some people get caught, but seldom any jail time, or loss of benefits, since that would hurt the kids. Only the greedy ones, that step way over the line, get prosecuted for fraud.

There are people in desperate need of help, but unfortunately, with anything free, there are many who simply take advantage. Basically, welfare is the government paying people to have more kids, insuring the get the largest paycheck, for the most years. It doesn't encourage respect or responsibility, more the opposite,
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