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polite01-02-2020 22:34
keepit
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ITN and IBDM,
If you guys wanted to be polite and respectful, could you do it?
It may have been too long. You may not remember how.
Edited on 01-02-2020 22:56
02-02-2020 03:05
GasGuzzlerProfile picture★★★★☆
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keepit wrote:
ITN and IBDM,
If you guys wanted to be polite and respectful, could you do it?
It may have been too long. You may not remember how.


Imagine a cold winter's day. You are sitting in your big beautiful warm home, just thinking how blessed you are to live in a country with all the freedoms to allow a person to earn everything good that life has to offer.

Suddenly, there's a knock on the door. There is a crazy turd on your front stoop. He is wildly passionate about proposing changes that will utterly destroy every opportunity for your children that you have enjoyed over the years, and it's all based on things you KNOW to not be true! He wants you to join the good fight.

Do you invite him in for cookies and milk?


All the time the base and surface are at equal temperature as the equilibrium graduates to establish the temperature development--Pete Rogers
Edited on 02-02-2020 03:06
02-02-2020 03:08
keepit
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No. There must be some way to benefit him though. Maybe politeness and respect. Everyone's entitled to their opinion.
02-02-2020 03:29
James___
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GasGuzzler wrote:
keepit wrote:
ITN and IBDM,
If you guys wanted to be polite and respectful, could you do it?
It may have been too long. You may not remember how.


Imagine a cold winter's day. You are sitting in your big beautiful warm home, just thinking how blessed you are to live in a country with all the freedoms to allow a person to earn everything good that life has to offer.

Suddenly, there's a knock on the door. There is a crazy turd on your front stoop. He is wildly passionate about proposing changes that will utterly destroy every opportunity for your children that you have enjoyed over the years, and it's all based on things you KNOW to not be true! He wants you to join the good fight.

Do you invite him in for cookies and milk?



What country is that? I'd like to live there. It would be nice to have the healthcare I need so I can work and support my country. Sadly, I live in the US and it benefits doctors for me not to work. They are protecting their reputation and not their wealth. I have insurance but they won't take it.


p.s., Harvey55 said it's all my fault because if I learn to follow orders liek my father, then I would have had his good health. Of course Nazis did not allow for dissent when they occupied countries. It was compulsory like the Republican party is today.

GasGuzzler, and yet miners in Kentucky know that clean energy is replacing coal because it's cost competitive. As for natural gas, it's a finite resource like coal, are we managing our resources or merely unhappy because corporate profit is what we need to consider?
This is the part of the debate where people invariably fail. A lot of technological innovation is actually driven because innovation creates opportunity. If we hinder innovation then we can support "Old Money" and help protect the wealth of people who oppose innovation.
That's what the actual debate might be about. It doesn't change your expenses or taxes, but you oppose innovation. It's sad that people don't see the debate as what it's for. Like Harvey55 said, natural gas is cheaper for now. Why coal plants are closing. What happens when natural gas becomes more expensive?
With what you say, we could all be driving Edsels today and we would be better for it. It was a good car in 1958 but would you buy a new one today when compared to what's on the market? That's your debate.
What's better? A 58' Edsel http://edsel.com/pages/edsel58.htm or this https://www.ford.com/cars/fusion/?fmccmp=lp-cars-mid-hp-fusion if they were both on the same car lot and fresh off of the assembly line?
You'd still buy the Edsel if they made them today. You'd also say we don't need smartphones or the internet. We also didn't need the Apollo space program.
Basically, you'd be against everything that made the US a world leader. This is the same problem that ITN as a Native American has. The world is in a constant state of flux.
Could you imagine if a white man from Europe knocked on your door? And he was selling turds? Native Americans say the same thing that you say. If only the world never changed. Unfortunately it's an overpopulated world because people like your parents have kids. Change allows for the change in population. They go hand in hand.
Edited on 02-02-2020 03:49
02-02-2020 04:21
keepit
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It's funny. This forum used to have a section you had to be polite and respectful but it was deleted. Doesn't take any new posts. If you wanted to be rude you had to go to the section we're on.
Aaaah, the good old days.
Edited on 02-02-2020 04:24
02-02-2020 04:24
IBdaMannProfile picture★★★★★
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keepit wrote: ITN and IBDM,
If you guys wanted to be polite and respectful, could you do it?
It may have been too long. You may not remember how.

keepit, if you wanted to stop posting stupid, mindless crap instead of trying to silence the mockery you so richly deserve for your 0.000 batting average, could you do it?

keepit, if you wanted to take responsibility for the stupid, mindless crap that you post instead of somehow blaming others, could you do it?

keepit, if instead of insisting that your stupid, mindless crap must somehow be correct just because YOU posted it, and instead wanted to learn from people who obviously know sooooooooo much more than you do on ... well, on apparently every topic, could you do it?

keepit, if you wanted to open your eyes to the WACKY religious Global Warming dogma that you preach, and instead accept that you have absolutely no science supporting your faith, could you do it?

keepit, if you wanted to actually learn some economics, could you do it?


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A Spaghetti strainer with the faucet running, retains water- tmiddles

Clouds don't trap heat. Clouds block cold. - Spongy Iris

Printing dollars to pay debt doesn't increase the number of dollars. - keepit

If Venus were a black body it would have a much much lower temperature than what we found there.- tmiddles

Ah the "Valid Data" myth of ITN/IBD. - tmiddles

Ceist - I couldn't agree with you more. But when money and religion are involved, and there are people who value them above all else, then the lies begin. - trafn

You are completely misunderstanding their use of the word "accumulation"! - Climate Scientist.

The Stefan-Boltzman equation doesn't come up with the correct temperature if greenhouse gases are not considered - Hank

:*sigh* Not the "raw data" crap. - Leafsdude

IB STILL hasn't explained what Planck's Law means. Just more hand waving that it applies to everything and more asserting that the greenhouse effect 'violates' it.- Ceist
02-02-2020 05:04
keepit
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Listen to yourself IBDM.
02-02-2020 05:12
James___
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IBdaMann wrote:


keepit, if you wanted to actually learn some economics, could you do it?


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Corn makes more money in Iowa than maize does. It also makes more money in Kentucky (bourbon). Alcohol and tobacco make money. Why the colonies were valued by England. Tobacco allowed for snuff.
Indians had land that they grew maize on. Economics dictated change was necessary. So instead white man grew corn to make alcohol and tobacco to make snuff. Economics dictated policy.
So you are right IBDM, Native Americans were in the way of economy, commerce, industrialization, etc.
Or was it a growing world population meant that change was necessary to allow for exponential population growth?
If every man and woman each have a total of 3 children, then in 20 years, 340 million people becomes 510 million people and in 2060, there would be 750 million people living in the US.
Such exponential growth requires innovation. Otherwise we become Mexico.
02-02-2020 05:14
IBdaMannProfile picture★★★★★
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keepit wrote:
IBdaMann wrote:
keepit wrote: ITN and IBDM,
If you guys wanted to be polite and respectful, could you do it?
It may have been too long. You may not remember how.

keepit, if you wanted to stop posting stupid, mindless crap instead of trying to silence the mockery you so richly deserve for your 0.000 batting average, could you do it?

keepit, if you wanted to take responsibility for the stupid, mindless crap that you post instead of somehow blaming others, could you do it?

keepit, if instead of insisting that your stupid, mindless crap must somehow be correct just because YOU posted it, and instead wanted to learn from people who obviously know sooooooooo much more than you do on ... well, on apparently every topic, could you do it?

keepit, if you wanted to open your eyes to the WACKY religious Global Warming dogma that you preach, and instead accept that you have absolutely no science supporting your faith, could you do it?

keepit, if you wanted to actually learn some economics, could you do it?

Listen to yourself IBDM.

I didn't see any answers, keepit. That was RUDE. You're not even engaging in discussion on the thread topic. You gave no answers whatsoever. Be polite and give it another try.


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A Spaghetti strainer with the faucet running, retains water- tmiddles

Clouds don't trap heat. Clouds block cold. - Spongy Iris

Printing dollars to pay debt doesn't increase the number of dollars. - keepit

If Venus were a black body it would have a much much lower temperature than what we found there.- tmiddles

Ah the "Valid Data" myth of ITN/IBD. - tmiddles

Ceist - I couldn't agree with you more. But when money and religion are involved, and there are people who value them above all else, then the lies begin. - trafn

You are completely misunderstanding their use of the word "accumulation"! - Climate Scientist.

The Stefan-Boltzman equation doesn't come up with the correct temperature if greenhouse gases are not considered - Hank

:*sigh* Not the "raw data" crap. - Leafsdude

IB STILL hasn't explained what Planck's Law means. Just more hand waving that it applies to everything and more asserting that the greenhouse effect 'violates' it.- Ceist
02-02-2020 18:41
HarveyH55
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(2399)
James___ wrote:
IBdaMann wrote:


keepit, if you wanted to actually learn some economics, could you do it?


.



Corn makes more money in Iowa than maize does. It also makes more money in Kentucky (bourbon). Alcohol and tobacco make money. Why the colonies were valued by England. Tobacco allowed for snuff.
Indians had land that they grew maize on. Economics dictated change was necessary. So instead white man grew corn to make alcohol and tobacco to make snuff. Economics dictated policy.
So you are right IBDM, Native Americans were in the way of economy, commerce, industrialization, etc.
Or was it a growing world population meant that change was necessary to allow for exponential population growth?
If every man and woman each have a total of 3 children, then in 20 years, 340 million people becomes 510 million people and in 2060, there would be 750 million people living in the US.
Such exponential growth requires innovation. Otherwise we become Mexico.


Maize and corn are the same plant. Corn is more of a selective breed, white people selected for commercial use. Maize is closer to the original, wild version. Most people would know any difference between the two.

The US population is growing a lot quicker than that, since we haven't completed the border wall yet. It's not just our southern border, democrats want to have open borders, so everyone one the planet can come, and get some of that 'free stuff'. You don't see many people migrate to Norway, do you? They all come here, to abuse are generous social programs, like medicare.
02-02-2020 18:56
James___
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HarveyH55 wrote:
James___ wrote:
IBdaMann wrote:


keepit, if you wanted to actually learn some economics, could you do it?


.



Corn makes more money in Iowa than maize does. It also makes more money in Kentucky (bourbon). Alcohol and tobacco make money. Why the colonies were valued by England. Tobacco allowed for snuff.
Indians had land that they grew maize on. Economics dictated change was necessary. So instead white man grew corn to make alcohol and tobacco to make snuff. Economics dictated policy.
So you are right IBDM, Native Americans were in the way of economy, commerce, industrialization, etc.
Or was it a growing world population meant that change was necessary to allow for exponential population growth?
If every man and woman each have a total of 3 children, then in 20 years, 340 million people becomes 510 million people and in 2060, there would be 750 million people living in the US.
Such exponential growth requires innovation. Otherwise we become Mexico.


Maize and corn are the same plant. Corn is more of a selective breed, white people selected for commercial use. Maize is closer to the original, wild version. Most people would know any difference between the two.

The US population is growing a lot quicker than that, since we haven't completed the border wall yet. It's not just our southern border, democrats want to have open borders, so everyone one the planet can come, and get some of that 'free stuff'. You don't see many people migrate to Norway, do you? They all come here, to abuse are generous social programs, like medicare.



You know Harvey, learn English will you? It's "our" and not "are". Also, it's "everyone on" and not "everyone one". How can we have a discussion when I need to point out that you use English like an immigrant? Can't you take more pride in being an American?
03-02-2020 18:51
gfm7175Profile picture★★★★☆
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keepit wrote:
ITN and IBDM,
If you guys wanted to be polite and respectful, could you do it?
It may have been too long. You may not remember how.

They've been very polite to me in all of my interactions with them. If they aren't being "polite and respectful" towards you, then maybe there's a reason for that?
03-02-2020 18:53
gfm7175Profile picture★★★★☆
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GasGuzzler wrote:
keepit wrote:
ITN and IBDM,
If you guys wanted to be polite and respectful, could you do it?
It may have been too long. You may not remember how.


Imagine a cold winter's day. You are sitting in your big beautiful warm home, just thinking how blessed you are to live in a country with all the freedoms to allow a person to earn everything good that life has to offer.

Suddenly, there's a knock on the door. There is a crazy turd on your front stoop. He is wildly passionate about proposing changes that will utterly destroy every opportunity for your children that you have enjoyed over the years, and it's all based on things you KNOW to not be true! He wants you to join the good fight.

Do you invite him in for cookies and milk?

Is he willing to listen to my counterarguments to his arguments, or is he only there to preach me a sermon?
03-02-2020 19:35
Into the NightProfile picture★★★★★
(13295)
keepit wrote:
ITN and IBDM,
If you guys wanted to be polite and respectful, could you do it?
It may have been too long. You may not remember how.


I have no intention of being polite with people like you that want to destroy the economy of America and destroy the Constitution for the sake of your religion.


The Parrot Killer

Debunked in my sig. - tmiddles

Google keeps track of paranoid talk and i'm not on their list. I've been evaluated and certified. - keepit
03-02-2020 19:37
Into the NightProfile picture★★★★★
(13295)
keepit wrote:
No. There must be some way to benefit him though. Maybe politeness and respect. Everyone's entitled to their opinion.


You have your opinion. That's all you have. You do NOT have the right to force your opinion upon others by law. you do NOT have the right to force your opinion on others by destroying the government or the economy.


The Parrot Killer

Debunked in my sig. - tmiddles

Google keeps track of paranoid talk and i'm not on their list. I've been evaluated and certified. - keepit
03-02-2020 19:55
Into the NightProfile picture★★★★★
(13295)
James___ wrote:
GasGuzzler wrote:
keepit wrote:
ITN and IBDM,
If you guys wanted to be polite and respectful, could you do it?
It may have been too long. You may not remember how.


Imagine a cold winter's day. You are sitting in your big beautiful warm home, just thinking how blessed you are to live in a country with all the freedoms to allow a person to earn everything good that life has to offer.

Suddenly, there's a knock on the door. There is a crazy turd on your front stoop. He is wildly passionate about proposing changes that will utterly destroy every opportunity for your children that you have enjoyed over the years, and it's all based on things you KNOW to not be true! He wants you to join the good fight.

Do you invite him in for cookies and milk?



What country is that? I'd like to live there. It would be nice to have the healthcare I need so I can work and support my country.

You have it.
James___ wrote:
Sadly, I live in the US and it benefits doctors for me not to work.

No. You have it.
James___ wrote:
They are protecting their reputation and not their wealth.

No. You have it.
James___ wrote:
I have insurance but they won't take it.

Insurance is not health care.
James___ wrote:
p.s., Harvey55 said it's all my fault because if I learn to follow orders liek my father, then I would have had his good health.

I don't believe you are in bad health.
James___ wrote:
Of course Nazis did not allow for dissent when they occupied countries. It was compulsory like the Republican party is today.

WRONG. Nazis were socialists. The Republican party is largely capitalists. Redefinition fallacy. Bigotry.
James___ wrote:
GasGuzzler, and yet miners in Kentucky know that clean energy is replacing coal because it's cost competitive.

Define 'clean energy'.
James___ wrote:
As for natural gas, it's a finite resource like coal,

Natural gas is a renewable fuel.
James___ wrote:
are we managing our resources

YOU don't get to manage our resources. You are not the king.
James___ wrote:
or merely unhappy because corporate profit is what we need to consider?

Corporations are not evil. Corporate profit is not evil. It is corporations that bring you coal, natural gas, or any other form of energy and make it available for your use.
James___ wrote:
This is the part of the debate where people invariably fail.

You just failed.
James___ wrote:
A lot of technological innovation is actually driven because innovation creates opportunity.

Reversal fallacy. Opportunity creates innovation, not the other way around.
James___ wrote:
If we hinder innovation then we can support "Old Money" and help protect the wealth of people who oppose innovation.

The only ones opposing innovation or capitalism are the socialists (aka the Democrats).
James___ wrote:
It doesn't change your expenses or taxes, but you oppose innovation.

Inversion fallacy. It is YOU and the Democrats that oppose innovation.
James___ wrote:
Like Harvey55 said, natural gas is cheaper for now.

It is very cheap. So is oil. So is coal.
James___ wrote:
Why coal plants are closing.

What about the ones opening up?
James___ wrote:
What happens when natural gas becomes more expensive?

Self correcting. Don't worry about it. More people will go into producing it, and more people will switch to something else, like oil or coal. The price again stabilizes.
James___ wrote:
Basically, you'd be against everything that made the US a world leader.

No. That would be YOU. Inversion fallacy.
James___ wrote:
This is the same problem that ITN as a Native American has.

I am a world leader in my field. I make sensors that go into applications all over the world.
James___ wrote:
Native Americans say the same thing that you say.

You don't get to speak for Republicans, native Americans, or any other group. You only get to speak for you.
James___ wrote:
Unfortunately it's an overpopulated world because people like your parents have kids. Change allows for the change in population. They go hand in hand.

Now you are preaching overpopulation? Want to solve it? You first.


The Parrot Killer

Debunked in my sig. - tmiddles

Google keeps track of paranoid talk and i'm not on their list. I've been evaluated and certified. - keepit
03-02-2020 19:57
Into the NightProfile picture★★★★★
(13295)
keepit wrote:
Listen to yourself IBDM.


I guess you can't do it. You can't even answer his questions he put to you.


The Parrot Killer

Debunked in my sig. - tmiddles

Google keeps track of paranoid talk and i'm not on their list. I've been evaluated and certified. - keepit




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