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Percy19-02-2021 18:16
keepit
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Anybody here think the mars landing was faked?
19-02-2021 18:33
HarveyH55Profile picture★★★★★
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keepit wrote:
Anybody here think the mars landing was faked?


They fake a pandemic. They fake global warming. The fake the Ozone Hole. Why would the fake sending an RC toy to Mars, to study how democrat-made CO2 destroyed the planet?
19-02-2021 20:04
keepit
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Harvey,
So, do you think they faked the mars landing?
20-02-2021 02:30
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keepit wrote:
Harvey,
So, do you think they faked the mars landing?


No, I don't think it's faked. Been a NASA fan since a child, although I did find much of the Obama years, a disappointment, with all the climate change crap. I live in Florida, and get to see a lot of rocket launches. Quite a few, interrupt local TV, to show live. I can also step out on my front lawn, and watch, if the sky is clear. It's less than an hour drive, depending on traffic, to be very close (least, what's allowed), to be there in person. I don't do the drive over anymore, after a few scrubbed launches. Kind of a long drive, to be disappointed. They are spectacular, in person though. Just seems like a lot of work and expense, to be faked.

Most people think that the value in the NASA projects, is when the reach their goals. The value, has always been in the journey. A whole lot of technology and materials, need to be developed, so the can reach the goals they set. Will we ever have colonies on Mars? Unlikely, unless there are the resources, that can sustain life. There isn't sufficient atmosphere, water, or food sources, to live on. Colonies would be completely dependent on everything needed to survive, be delivered. A short visit, might be possible, but overly ambitious. Other than bragging rights, no real benefit.
20-02-2021 03:01
keepit
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Also, there is only 38% of the gravity that we have on earth. I don't know if the body can function long term with only 38%.
20-02-2021 05:15
IBdaMannProfile picture★★★★★
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keepit wrote: Anybody here think the mars landing was faked?

What Mars landing? Are you claiming a vehicle actually landed on Mars?


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20-02-2021 08:37
HarveyH55Profile picture★★★★★
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keepit wrote:
Also, there is only 38% of the gravity that we have on earth. I don't know if the body can function long term with only 38%.


The space station record is over a year, zero gravity. Some medical issues, and recovery time upon return to Earth. Think people adjust, but might be a point of no return.
20-02-2021 10:05
IBdaMannProfile picture★★★★★
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HarveyH55 wrote:[Launches] are spectacular, in person though.

You haven't lived until you have watched a nighttime launch in person on location. I watched a 1:00 a.m. Minuteman launch at Vandenberg. Few things are as awesome. It lit up the otherwise moonless night as bright as day and I could read the papers I had in my hand.

HarveyH55 wrote:[Launches] Most people think that the value in the NASA projects, is when the reach their goals.

Most people don't realize that the main goal in every launch ... is surviving the launch. Everything else is secondary and completely dependent on surviving the launch.

NASA is just a big government project-managing organization. They don't build anything. They contract everything to the engineering firms that do all the designing and building. As far as launch contracts are written, the contractor is "successful" if the launch vehicle clears one inch vertically on liftoff.


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A Spaghetti strainer with the faucet running, retains water- tmiddles

Clouds don't trap heat. Clouds block cold. - Spongy Iris

Printing dollars to pay debt doesn't increase the number of dollars. - keepit

If Venus were a black body it would have a much much lower temperature than what we found there.- tmiddles

Ah the "Valid Data" myth of ITN/IBD. - tmiddles

Ceist - I couldn't agree with you more. But when money and religion are involved, and there are people who value them above all else, then the lies begin. - trafn

You are completely misunderstanding their use of the word "accumulation"! - Climate Scientist.

The Stefan-Boltzman equation doesn't come up with the correct temperature if greenhouse gases are not considered - Hank

:*sigh* Not the "raw data" crap. - Leafsdude

IB STILL hasn't explained what Planck's Law means. Just more hand waving that it applies to everything and more asserting that the greenhouse effect 'violates' it.- Ceist
20-02-2021 16:24
Into the NightProfile picture★★★★★
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keepit wrote:
Anybody here think the mars landing was faked?

Why? Do you think it was faked?


The Parrot Killer

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Google keeps track of paranoid talk and i'm not on their list. I've been evaluated and certified. - keepit
20-02-2021 16:25
Into the NightProfile picture★★★★★
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keepit wrote:
Also, there is only 38% of the gravity that we have on earth. I don't know if the body can function long term with only 38%.

It can.


The Parrot Killer

Debunked in my sig. - tmiddles

Google keeps track of paranoid talk and i'm not on their list. I've been evaluated and certified. - keepit
20-02-2021 22:03
keepit
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Specialists in aerospace medicine say that it is still conjecture regarding how healthy or unhealthy mars gravity would be long term.

No, it wasn't faked ITN.
Edited on 20-02-2021 22:04
20-02-2021 22:32
IBdaMannProfile picture★★★★★
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keepit wrote: Specialists in aerospace medicine say that it is still conjecture regarding how healthy or unhealthy mars gravity would be long term.

What do the other specialists in aerospace medicine say, i.e. the ones that say with proper care humans can adapt to it? What do those specialists say?

keepit wrote:No, it wasn't faked ITN.

Why do you believe that? I'm just asking.

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A Spaghetti strainer with the faucet running, retains water- tmiddles

Clouds don't trap heat. Clouds block cold. - Spongy Iris

Printing dollars to pay debt doesn't increase the number of dollars. - keepit

If Venus were a black body it would have a much much lower temperature than what we found there.- tmiddles

Ah the "Valid Data" myth of ITN/IBD. - tmiddles

Ceist - I couldn't agree with you more. But when money and religion are involved, and there are people who value them above all else, then the lies begin. - trafn

You are completely misunderstanding their use of the word "accumulation"! - Climate Scientist.

The Stefan-Boltzman equation doesn't come up with the correct temperature if greenhouse gases are not considered - Hank

:*sigh* Not the "raw data" crap. - Leafsdude

IB STILL hasn't explained what Planck's Law means. Just more hand waving that it applies to everything and more asserting that the greenhouse effect 'violates' it.- Ceist
20-02-2021 22:38
keepit
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There's 2 things - long term being 20 - 30 years and the ability to return to earth and live a healthy life after that amount of time. Obviously the proof will be in the pudding and the pudding hasn't been made yet.

ibd,
it would be too hard to keep such a secret because of so many people involved.
20-02-2021 22:45
IBdaMannProfile picture★★★★★
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keepit wrote:ibd, it would be too hard to keep such a secret because of so many people involved.

I know. That's why I don't believe it was faked.

... but you stated that it was not faked, not that you merely believe that it was not faked.

How do you know that you and I were not fooled? You know how easily manipulated you are.

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A Spaghetti strainer with the faucet running, retains water- tmiddles

Clouds don't trap heat. Clouds block cold. - Spongy Iris

Printing dollars to pay debt doesn't increase the number of dollars. - keepit

If Venus were a black body it would have a much much lower temperature than what we found there.- tmiddles

Ah the "Valid Data" myth of ITN/IBD. - tmiddles

Ceist - I couldn't agree with you more. But when money and religion are involved, and there are people who value them above all else, then the lies begin. - trafn

You are completely misunderstanding their use of the word "accumulation"! - Climate Scientist.

The Stefan-Boltzman equation doesn't come up with the correct temperature if greenhouse gases are not considered - Hank

:*sigh* Not the "raw data" crap. - Leafsdude

IB STILL hasn't explained what Planck's Law means. Just more hand waving that it applies to everything and more asserting that the greenhouse effect 'violates' it.- Ceist
21-02-2021 18:59
Into the NightProfile picture★★★★★
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keepit wrote:
Specialists in aerospace medicine say that it is still conjecture regarding how healthy or unhealthy mars gravity would be long term.

No, it wasn't faked ITN.


How do you know?


The Parrot Killer

Debunked in my sig. - tmiddles

Google keeps track of paranoid talk and i'm not on their list. I've been evaluated and certified. - keepit
21-02-2021 20:07
keepit
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Statistical analysis of human behavior.
21-02-2021 20:31
Spongy Iris
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False cover story for something else IMO.

I don't believe it is possible to launch a rocket into orbit as described by NASA and other space agencies

The push theory of gravity falsifies it.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Le_Sage%27s_theory_of_gravitation


21-02-2021 21:20
IBdaMannProfile picture★★★★★
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Spongy Iris wrote:I don't believe it is possible to launch a rocket into orbit as described by NASA and other space agencies The push theory of gravity falsifies it.

Too funny.

The scientific method searches for a repeatable, physical real-world observation that falsifies a given theory.

You, on the other hand, search for a theory that falsifies a given repeatable, physical real-world observation.

You deny both the scientific method and reality in the same stretch. That's bold.

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A Spaghetti strainer with the faucet running, retains water- tmiddles

Clouds don't trap heat. Clouds block cold. - Spongy Iris

Printing dollars to pay debt doesn't increase the number of dollars. - keepit

If Venus were a black body it would have a much much lower temperature than what we found there.- tmiddles

Ah the "Valid Data" myth of ITN/IBD. - tmiddles

Ceist - I couldn't agree with you more. But when money and religion are involved, and there are people who value them above all else, then the lies begin. - trafn

You are completely misunderstanding their use of the word "accumulation"! - Climate Scientist.

The Stefan-Boltzman equation doesn't come up with the correct temperature if greenhouse gases are not considered - Hank

:*sigh* Not the "raw data" crap. - Leafsdude

IB STILL hasn't explained what Planck's Law means. Just more hand waving that it applies to everything and more asserting that the greenhouse effect 'violates' it.- Ceist
21-02-2021 21:36
HarveyH55Profile picture★★★★★
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I don't think the astronauts that spent a year, or more on the space station, were feeling any ill effects, from the weightless environment. It was the transition back to earths gravity, that was the problem. All seemed to make it through just fine, after a few months rehab. Pretty sure Mars is a one way ticket, most won't survive, for other reasons. Gravity will be the least of their worries. There are no know resources on Mars, that we can use to sustain life. We will need to bring everything needed to survive. Carefully store, use sparingly, and recycle as much as we can. Nothing can be wasted, or lost to careless accidents. Mars is also a pretty harsh environment, and has extreme weather. Gaining experience, and knowledge, often carries a price in human lives. The China Virus experiment, is one we are experiencing right now. We've never tried anything like this, and no computer model can be written, to predict the outcome. Sure, it's totally worth it, if the vaccines are a cure for the common cold. People have been searching for it, for centuries. Maybe, we can use the same technology to 'cure' many other diseases, plaguing mankind. Unfortunately, focus on curing the common cold, also created the conditions, that cause serious problems in a lot of people, that a vaccine won't cure. Lot of people didn't get to go in for tests, that could have caught potentially chronic conditions, and gotten treatment early, dodging a short lifetime of medicines and medical treatments. A sedentary lifestyle, isn't a healthy lifestyle.
22-02-2021 02:21
Into the NightProfile picture★★★★★
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keepit wrote:
Statistical analysis of human behavior.


There is no such thing. Human behavior has no quantitative value.


The Parrot Killer

Debunked in my sig. - tmiddles

Google keeps track of paranoid talk and i'm not on their list. I've been evaluated and certified. - keepit
22-02-2021 02:23
Into the NightProfile picture★★★★★
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HarveyH55 wrote:
I don't think the astronauts that spent a year, or more on the space station, were feeling any ill effects, from the weightless environment. It was the transition back to earths gravity, that was the problem. All seemed to make it through just fine, after a few months rehab. Pretty sure Mars is a one way ticket, most won't survive, for other reasons. Gravity will be the least of their worries. There are no know resources on Mars, that we can use to sustain life. We will need to bring everything needed to survive. Carefully store, use sparingly, and recycle as much as we can. Nothing can be wasted, or lost to careless accidents. Mars is also a pretty harsh environment, and has extreme weather. Gaining experience, and knowledge, often carries a price in human lives. The China Virus experiment, is one we are experiencing right now. We've never tried anything like this, and no computer model can be written, to predict the outcome. Sure, it's totally worth it, if the vaccines are a cure for the common cold. People have been searching for it, for centuries. Maybe, we can use the same technology to 'cure' many other diseases, plaguing mankind. Unfortunately, focus on curing the common cold, also created the conditions, that cause serious problems in a lot of people, that a vaccine won't cure. Lot of people didn't get to go in for tests, that could have caught potentially chronic conditions, and gotten treatment early, dodging a short lifetime of medicines and medical treatments. A sedentary lifestyle, isn't a healthy lifestyle.


This sums it up pretty good. Mars is basically a very cold cat litter box with red sand and very little atmosphere.

What's nice about living there?


The Parrot Killer

Debunked in my sig. - tmiddles

Google keeps track of paranoid talk and i'm not on their list. I've been evaluated and certified. - keepit
22-02-2021 03:10
keepit
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Of course human behavior has qualitative value. Psychologists and psychiatrists do a great deal of statistical analysis of it and they're very good at it.
22-02-2021 05:08
Spongy Iris
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Spongy Iris wrote:
False cover story for something else IMO.

I don't believe it is possible to launch a rocket into orbit as described by NASA and other space agencies

The push theory of gravity falsifies it.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Le_Sage%27s_theory_of_gravitation


Well that's just 1 point which I thought could be interesting to discuss.

Hey look what else. The color of the sky is not the same as the color of air.

Sky blue vs Electric blue:



Those are real pictures.

The temperature profile of the thermosphere and exosphere also falsifies NASA. Based on real measurements.



And NASA's own charts of global temperature anomalies gives evidence to falsify their supposed space voyages



Only good reason i have heard here that CO2 helps to increase global temperature is it increases atmospheric air pressure. And the only way CO2 can increase atmospheric pressure is if Earth is in a container.



Edited on 22-02-2021 05:10
22-02-2021 06:01
IBdaMannProfile picture★★★★★
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Spongy Iris wrote:
Spongy Iris wrote: I don't believe it is possible to launch a rocket into orbit as described by NASA and other space agencies

The push theory of gravity falsifies it.

Hey look what else. The color of the sky is not the same as the color of air. Sky blue vs Electric blue:

Those are real pictures.

The temperature profile of the thermosphere and exosphere also falsifies NASA. Based on real measurements.

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22-02-2021 06:07
James___
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IBdaMann wrote:
Spongy Iris wrote:
Spongy Iris wrote: I don't believe it is possible to launch a rocket into orbit as described by NASA and other space agencies

The push theory of gravity falsifies it.

Hey look what else. The color of the sky is not the same as the color of air. Sky blue vs Electric blue:

Those are real pictures.

The temperature profile of the thermosphere and exosphere also falsifies NASA. Based on real measurements.

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D@mn Sun, someone is not putting your skillz 2 use. This world isn't fair by any means. And if things work out for me, I'll treat you like my beothch and will ask, who likes this kind if candy? Most likely someone will like your skillz.
22-02-2021 06:12
IBdaMannProfile picture★★★★★
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Into the Night wrote:This sums it up pretty good. Mars is basically a very cold cat litter box with red sand and very little atmosphere.

What's nice about living there?

Mars is a great place to get away from the smog and the urban sprawl. It's got miles of excellent hiking if you like to get off the beaten path. Mars has no homeowners associations and there's no income tax.

For those looking to buy up cheap real estate, Mars is the top spot. Yes, it's pretty much off the grid and you need to bring your own generator but you won't be bothered by your neighbor's loud parties at 2:00 a.m. and nobody living on Mars has had to deal with Mormon missionaries.

I think you were a little hasty in your "rush to judgment." I think you should give Mars a fair shake.



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A Spaghetti strainer with the faucet running, retains water- tmiddles

Clouds don't trap heat. Clouds block cold. - Spongy Iris

Printing dollars to pay debt doesn't increase the number of dollars. - keepit

If Venus were a black body it would have a much much lower temperature than what we found there.- tmiddles

Ah the "Valid Data" myth of ITN/IBD. - tmiddles

Ceist - I couldn't agree with you more. But when money and religion are involved, and there are people who value them above all else, then the lies begin. - trafn

You are completely misunderstanding their use of the word "accumulation"! - Climate Scientist.

The Stefan-Boltzman equation doesn't come up with the correct temperature if greenhouse gases are not considered - Hank

:*sigh* Not the "raw data" crap. - Leafsdude

IB STILL hasn't explained what Planck's Law means. Just more hand waving that it applies to everything and more asserting that the greenhouse effect 'violates' it.- Ceist
22-02-2021 07:00
HarveyH55Profile picture★★★★★
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keepit wrote:
Of course human behavior has qualitative value. Psychologists and psychiatrists do a great deal of statistical analysis of it and they're very good at it.


Is that what your therapist told you? Right before your monthly E.C.T. treatment...
22-02-2021 18:11
keepit
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I hope i didn't strike a nerve Harvey. Really.
22-02-2021 20:42
Into the NightProfile picture★★★★★
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keepit wrote:
Of course human behavior has qualitative value.

Obviously you have a reading comprehension problem too. Go back and read my post again, or you can read the same statement below.
keepit wrote:
Psychologists and psychiatrists do a great deal of statistical analysis of it and they're very good at it.

Human behavior has no quantitative value. It is not possible to do a statistical analysis on it.

BTW, psychoquackery is not only quackery and dangerous to treat it as if it were actually a field of medicine, I have personally seen it destroy the lives of many people.


The Parrot Killer

Debunked in my sig. - tmiddles

Google keeps track of paranoid talk and i'm not on their list. I've been evaluated and certified. - keepit
22-02-2021 20:49
keepit
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I remember a psychology professor in college that said, "Of all the mentally ill people that get treatment, 2/3's of them get better. Of all the mentally ill people that don't get treatment, 2/3's of them get better." I never did bank on it but it is a catchy phrase.
22-02-2021 22:20
HarveyH55Profile picture★★★★★
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keepit wrote:
I remember a psychology professor in college that said, "Of all the mentally ill people that get treatment, 2/3's of them get better. Of all the mentally ill people that don't get treatment, 2/3's of them get better." I never did bank on it but it is a catchy phrase.


We are all mentally ill! Who are the 'normal' people, democrats? What do you use to compare a mental ill person with? There is now baseline 'normal, since everybody is just a little bit different. Some are a lot different, and not always in a good way.

If you paid attention in class, you might have learned that physiology, is the manipulation of thoughts, emotions, and behaviors. How psychology is used, is up to the practitioner of the dark-arts. I'm sure many of the believe they are help people, and sometimes do. There are also quite a few that got into it, for the power and control, to get rich. Psychologists, are just like anyone else, mentally ill.

And yes, I do have issues, and I'm okay with that. There are no 'perfect' people, why should I be any different? I don't waste my life away, trying to be someone I'm not. I don't try to conform to somebody else's vision of perfection. I just focus on doing the best I can, at living my own life, my own way. Really don't care if others are impressed, or disappointed. I just do the best I can.
23-02-2021 01:36
Spongy Iris
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IBdaMann wrote:
[quote]Spongy Iris wrote:
[quote]Spongy Iris wrote: I .



Lol. The first colony of Mars!




23-02-2021 03:03
Into the NightProfile picture★★★★★
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keepit wrote:
I remember a psychology professor in college that said, "Of all the mentally ill people that get treatment, 2/3's of them get better. Of all the mentally ill people that don't get treatment, 2/3's of them get better." I never did bank on it but it is a catchy phrase.

Argument from randU fallacy. Buzzword fallacies.


The Parrot Killer

Debunked in my sig. - tmiddles

Google keeps track of paranoid talk and i'm not on their list. I've been evaluated and certified. - keepit
24-02-2021 23:46
keepit
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itn,
You must know a lot of people that have needed psychiatric help. Why is that?
25-02-2021 03:12
Into the NightProfile picture★★★★★
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keepit wrote:
itn,
You must know a lot of people that have needed psychiatric help. Why is that?

Buzzword fallacy. Insult fallacy.


The Parrot Killer

Debunked in my sig. - tmiddles

Google keeps track of paranoid talk and i'm not on their list. I've been evaluated and certified. - keepit
25-02-2021 03:52
keepit
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Sorry.
25-02-2021 04:40
IBdaMannProfile picture★★★★★
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keepit wrote: Sorry.




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A Spaghetti strainer with the faucet running, retains water- tmiddles

Clouds don't trap heat. Clouds block cold. - Spongy Iris

Printing dollars to pay debt doesn't increase the number of dollars. - keepit

If Venus were a black body it would have a much much lower temperature than what we found there.- tmiddles

Ah the "Valid Data" myth of ITN/IBD. - tmiddles

Ceist - I couldn't agree with you more. But when money and religion are involved, and there are people who value them above all else, then the lies begin. - trafn

You are completely misunderstanding their use of the word "accumulation"! - Climate Scientist.

The Stefan-Boltzman equation doesn't come up with the correct temperature if greenhouse gases are not considered - Hank

:*sigh* Not the "raw data" crap. - Leafsdude

IB STILL hasn't explained what Planck's Law means. Just more hand waving that it applies to everything and more asserting that the greenhouse effect 'violates' it.- Ceist
25-02-2021 05:02
IBdaMannProfile picture★★★★★
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Spongy Iris wrote:Lol. The first colony of Mars!

... and keepit will design Mars' first public park.

I wonder if it will increase the number of public parks.

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Edited on 25-02-2021 05:05
25-02-2021 07:09
IBdaMannProfile picture★★★★★
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keepit wrote: Sorry.

Didn't I see you at the Grand Canyon?

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