Key threats of climate change.

trafn wrote: @Into the Night - but data is not everything:

trafn wrote:
@IBdaMann - endeavored? If I'm not mistaken, I'm still waiting for your response. As we left it, you locked the whole thing up in calculus and just walked away.

trafn wrote: By the way, speaking of falsifiable models, how about trying to finish this one yourself (if you're up to it):

trafn wrote:
@Tim the plumber - ask a serious question that's not redundant or time-worn, and you'll get a serious answer.

trafn wrote:
@IBdaMann - endeavored? If I'm not mistaken, I'm still waiting for your response. As we left it, you locked the whole thing up in calculus and just walked away. Of course, then Into the Night had to wind the whole thing into a wad of undefined circuitous logic, which was followed by TtD throwing in his two worthless cents. Oh well, guess that one's a lost cause.

By the way, speaking of falsifiable models, how about trying to finish this one yourself (if you're up to it):

http://www.climate-debate.com/forum/can-petrochemicals-exist-in-a-carbon-neutral-world-d9-e759.php#post_3526

Tim the plumber I did calculus. I have not seen any significant maths here at all.

trafn wrote:2. Consider if you're current position is one that is based on linear acceleration or exponential acceleration of M2C2 factors. My thesis is based upon exponential acceleration.

trafn wrote:By the way, I see you didn't read my book after all. It has an entire chapter titled "Exponentials."

Oh, I don't recall your thesis offering either a linear equation for acceleration or an exponential one. Did I just overlook it?

Do M2C2 factors have differing acceleration as compared to the M2C2 overall?

trafn wrote:
That leaves me only one option: life has become so cruel with you that I'm going to end it all by jumping off a bridge!

Now let's see, where can I find the tiniest bridge in the world?
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trafn wrote:
@Tim the plumber - I'm not sure if your post above is referring to anything specific in my text, or they're just statements of your current position on the subject of M2C2. Let me make two suggestions:

1. If possible, cite specifically what you are addressing in my text (page/paragraph number if possible) so I can respond in that context to you.

2. Consider if you're current position is one that is based on linear acceleration or exponential acceleration of M2C2 factors. My thesis is based upon exponential acceleration.

Tim the plumber wrote:
You will need to show the mechanism which will produce such a thing. A line on a graph is not enough. You will need to show examples where you can predict what ice will melt with what temperature change and what this will mean for the albedo of that area, what that will do in terms of shifting the snow line, by how much in altitude that will alter it and thus how much in actual land area.

Totototo wrote:
@climate scientist - Regarding food shortages, there's a book called "Climate Wars" by a german sociologist (can't remember his name) and it talks a bit about that from the little I read. Has anyone here read it? Would you recommend it if that's the case?

PS: It's a badass scary title, "Climate Wars: What People Will Be Killed For in the 21st Century"

Tim the plumber wrote:

Totototo wrote:
@climate scientist - Regarding food shortages, there's a book called "Climate Wars" by a german sociologist (can't remember his name) and it talks a bit about that from the little I read. Has anyone here read it? Would you recommend it if that's the case?

PS: It's a badass scary title, "Climate Wars: What People Will Be Killed For in the 21st Century"

It is easier to grow food in a warm place.

If you can use hydroponics in a rich world you can have practially unlimited food.

Rich people in Alaska will not starve even if they have to build greenhouses heated with gas.

Poor people in tropical bread baskets are starving now due to the use of food as fuel as a disguised farming subsidy. Tens of millions per year. Just evil.

climate scientist wrote: There are several options in my opinion, but I guess the key ones for me are sea level rise and food shortages (arising from weather related changes).But this is assuming that no unknown or unaccounted for feedback processes really take off.

IBdaMann wrote:

So, at a minimum, Global Warming involves damaging economic policies, yes? Shouldn't we refer to Global Warming as economic pollution?

climate scientist wrote:There are lots of benefits to be gained from taking measures to reduce climate change, regardless of whether you think it is happening or not.

trafn wrote:How can you get a country to agree to carbon modifications if it jeopardizes their energy security.

climate scientist wrote:
@ trafn
I am not aware of an agenda yet, or at least not one that is available to the public. I will let you know if I hear otherwise.

Free Paris vacation! (aka "Climate Conference")

Day 1: (morning) leisurely wake-up. Hotel-supplied breakfast. Conversations.
Day 1: (afternoon) sightseeing...to look at the climate from different angles.
Day 1: (evening) dinner, drinks, carousing.
Day 2: repeat Day 1
Day 3: repeat Day 1
Day 4: repeat Day 1
etc...