Irrational exuberance
| Irrational exuberance23-04-2020 23:44 | |
| keepit★★★★★ (3060) |
"Irrational exuberance" (thanks to Alan Greenspan) is a good phrase to describe the protesters complaining about stay at home orders. I can just about guarantee that there aren't any doctors or epidemiologists in those crowds. The govt should get a lot more money out into the economy so stay at home wouldn't be such a hardship. The fear mongering about inflation should stop. There are worse things than inflation. |
| 24-04-2020 00:09 | |
| GasGuzzler★★★★★ (2935) |
keepit wrote: You may actually be on to something here. Yes, worse than inflation is lack of toilet paper. We could dump a shitload more dollars into the economy, thereby devaluing our dollars to a value no more than toilet paper. We could then use dollar bills to wipe our asses and flushed down the toilet. Toilet paper shortage solved! Radiation will not penetrate a perfect insulator, thus as I said space is not a perfect insulator.- Swan |
| 24-04-2020 00:10 | |
HarveyH55 ★★★★★(5197) |
I think we are going to see only a mild rebound in a few places. Most everybody understand the risk, and why we were imprisoned. I think the high-risk people will continue to hide in their homes. The health people won't visit, or take the precautions dictated in the 'guidelines'. Any new, confirmed cases, will be mostly healthy, young adults. Which isn't entirely a bad thing, since they'll get over it, like any other cold. Then they'll be immune for this Fall's cold and flu season. The more people getting immunity, natural, this time around, will mean a less deadly second wave later. Keeping healthy people bottled up, specially during the fun, summer months, is dangerous too. Some of them are going to bust loose, and do some very bad things. |
| 24-04-2020 00:37 | |
| keepit★★★★★ (3060) |
Don't forget the possibility of organ damage to younger healthier asymptomatic people. Waiting longer would be wise. |
| 24-04-2020 00:47 | |
gfm7175 ★★★★★(3314) |
keepit wrote: Organs heal. |
| 24-04-2020 01:07 | |
| keepit★★★★★ (3060) |
You're exaggerating gfm. Do you want to sabotage people's health? |
| 24-04-2020 02:52 | |
| GasGuzzler★★★★★ (2935) |
keepit wrote: It's not exaggerating and it's not sabotage. It is risk. You know people die from falling down the stairs? Have you taken the stairs lately? There is a risk, and you take that risk. People die in cars every day. There's a risk. We all know it and we all take that risk. People die from the flu every day. Classrooms can be 20-30% empty with kids out sick. Does the school close? No. We take the risk and go on with life. There's risk in everything we do. We assess the risk, decide if it's worth it, and go forward from there. So I ask you, keepit, what numbers are you basing your opinion on that C-19 is riskier than any other risk we face every day? I honestly don't know who said this, but I like it. The fearless may not live forever, but the fearful don't really live much at all. Radiation will not penetrate a perfect insulator, thus as I said space is not a perfect insulator.- Swan |
| 24-04-2020 03:10 | |
| keepit★★★★★ (3060) |
GG, Dr. Scott Gottlieb was just on CNBC. There were new numbers out on the infection rate in new york and they said that that rate was 12-20%. and Dr Gottlieb said that makes the case fatality rate 1.0%. This is 10 times the case fatality rate of the flu. Plus the number of deaths has gone in less than 2 months from 1 to almost 50,000 in the us. What this means is that covid19 is much more contagious and much more deadly than the flu (or the cold). Those are the numbers you asked for. We all have to take risks. Foolish risks are not very smart though. These numbers don't take into account the amount of organ damage which may be going on. It is true that organ damage has yet to be proven since there is only anecdotal evidence. It would be hard to go around measuring organ damage in asymptomatic people whose vital organs are still good enough to function since there is excess capacity in the vital organs of young people. I don't fear a little inflation but i do fear the covid19. |
| 24-04-2020 03:46 | |
| HarveyH55★★★★★ (5197) |
keepit wrote: You don't care about anyone or anything, except yourself. The government will adjust your monthly check, for inflation. So basically, you only fear Covid-19, and leaving the safety of your basement. For normal people, that growing stack of bills, is scary. Two mortgage payments behind, and no job, no way of knowing, when there will be jobs is scary. Will the government work out some sort of forgiveness deal, or are people going have to figure out how to keep a roof over their heads on their own? Right now, nobody is being evicted, services aren't being cut off, but the bills aren't being suspended. I never stopped working, and have been debt-free since 2007. Seriously doubt banks and credit cards are going stop billing, or charging interest or fees. There maybe a ban on collecting right now, but it will end sometime, and they'll expect to get paid. Likely another bank bailout by the government, so not in their best interest to be forgiving to their customers, even if the government steps in. For most people, covid-19, is no scarier than catching cold. Scary, is losing everything they saved, everything they own, and living in the streets. Most people have a long way to go, before reaching retirement/socialism age... |
| 24-04-2020 04:15 | |
| keepit★★★★★ (3060) |
Harvey, Don't use disinfectants or UV light internally to combat covid19. |
| 24-04-2020 05:26 | |
Into the Night ★★★★★(21600) |
keepit wrote: Inversion fallacy. keepit wrote: Pascal's Wager fallacy. The Parrot Killer Debunked in my sig. - tmiddles Google keeps track of paranoid talk and i'm not on their list. I've been evaluated and certified. - keepit nuclear powered ships do not require nuclear fuel. - Swan While it is true that fossils do not burn it is also true that fossil fuels burn very well - Swan |
| 24-04-2020 05:27 | |
| Into the Night★★★★★ (21600) |
keepit wrote: Mantra 16b. No argument presented. The Parrot Killer Debunked in my sig. - tmiddles Google keeps track of paranoid talk and i'm not on their list. I've been evaluated and certified. - keepit nuclear powered ships do not require nuclear fuel. - Swan While it is true that fossils do not burn it is also true that fossil fuels burn very well - Swan |
| 24-04-2020 05:47 | |
| GasGuzzler★★★★★ (2935) |
keepit wrote: So? Sean Hannity was just on FOX. keepit wrote:There were new numbers out on the infection rate in new york and they said that that rate was 12-20%. and Dr Gottlieb said that makes the case fatality rate 1.0%. Lets see... 20,000,000 people x.2 = 4,000,000 New York infected people. 1% fatality rate would be 40,000 New York fatalities. Did I do that right? There's only 20,000 NY deaths and these now include "probable". These numbers are all over the place. I suspect they were plucked straight OOGA. keepit wrote:This is 10 times the case fatality rate of the flu. Plus the number of deaths has gone in less than 2 months from 1 to almost 50,000 in the us. What this means is that covid19 is much more contagious and much more deadly than the flu (or the cold). Those are the numbers you asked for. Did you know the flu kills 600,000 worldwide every year?...and that is WITH vaccines. So far covid has only got 190,000, and we don't have any vaccine. keepit wrote: Hiding in your basement is a foolish risk...in my opinion. However, I won't tell you how to live your life. You do as you please, just don't ask me to pay for it please. keepit wrote: Most of the numbers we have are pure speculation. I read one study that says 80% of all covid cases are mild to no symptoms at all. What wold that do to the fatality rate? However, right or wrong, that number is also speculation. keepit wrote: Turn off CNBC. It will calm your fears, I promise. Radiation will not penetrate a perfect insulator, thus as I said space is not a perfect insulator.- Swan Edited on 24-04-2020 06:02 |
| 24-04-2020 07:18 | |
| keepit★★★★★ (3060) |
The numbers are hard to follow, i agree. Anyway, out of 8 million people in nyc with 20% infected , that makes 1.6 million infected. 1% of 1.6 million is 16 thousand. According to the internet numbers i saw, the number of deaths in nyc is 15,300. Those numbers jive pretty well. The infection rate in new york state other than nyc is 4% according to the numbers i heard. What do you think? You suggest turning off cnbc. Ignorance is bliss huh. If you can't see it , it can't hurt you? Would you rather take your medical advice from sean hannity or Dr. Gottlieb? Edited on 24-04-2020 07:22 |
| 24-04-2020 08:42 | |
IBdaMann ★★★★★(14414) |
GasGuzzler wrote: It's not exaggerating and it's not sabotage. It is risk. Just getting out of bed in the morning exposes one to risk of being hit by the Norwegian jet stream. We accept risk every day. There's even the huge chance that we could have a coronaflu pandemic and never get our promised zombie coronapocalypse. There are no guarantees in life. None. . I don't think i can [define it]. I just kind of get a feel for the phrase. - keepit A Spaghetti strainer with the faucet running, retains water- tmiddles Clouds don't trap heat. Clouds block cold. - Spongy Iris Printing dollars to pay debt doesn't increase the number of dollars. - keepit If Venus were a black body it would have a much much lower temperature than what we found there.- tmiddles Ah the "Valid Data" myth of ITN/IBD. - tmiddles Ceist - I couldn't agree with you more. But when money and religion are involved, and there are people who value them above all else, then the lies begin. - trafn You are completely misunderstanding their use of the word "accumulation"! - Climate Scientist. The Stefan-Boltzman equation doesn't come up with the correct temperature if greenhouse gases are not considered - Hank :*sigh* Not the "raw data" crap. - Leafsdude IB STILL hasn't explained what Planck's Law means. Just more hand waving that it applies to everything and more asserting that the greenhouse effect 'violates' it.- Ceist |
| 24-04-2020 08:45 | |
| IBdaMann★★★★★ (14414) |
GasGuzzler wrote:keepit wrote: Well played! Attached image:  |
| 24-04-2020 11:09 | |
| HarveyH55★★★★★ (5197) |
Is NYC really the model, that represents the entire country? If they are washing frequently, wearing masks, and social distancing, and still getting infected, and dropping dead in the streets, why even bother hiding? We are all going to die and weeks. We should be free to complete as much of our 'bucket-list' as possible, in the short time we have left on this world. NYC, is unique, as they are filthy, self-centered, in considerate, criminals. Yeah, that's right, criminals. They were placed on stay-at-home order, so tens of thousands of them flocked down to Florida, because we weren't doing so badly, and they could stay with their parents, free, in the retirement resort communities. Our governor had to put us on lockdown, to legally close the airports and interstates, to stop them from coming. NYC was never considered a healthy place to live, well, ever. The people are packed in there too densely. What's the non-covid-19 death totals in NYC? I'm sure they are still having the same social issues the had before this apocalyptic pandemic, 'natural' causes, 'lead' poisonings. I don't understand, how this country could allow it's self to be shutdown. Thousands of people typically die everyday, for all kinds of reasons. Even with all these heroic, extreme measures, the people intended to be spared, are still dying. We are all going to die some day. Most of us aren't going to last 60+ years either, and being lockdown, is stealing what little time we do have on earth. Death is natural, normal, something we no is going to happen eventually, get over it. Nobody lives forever, stop stealing life, from those still young and healthy enough to enjoy it. Fear isn't living. Hiding in your rat infested basement, is probably going to kill you anyway. |
| 24-04-2020 16:39 | |
| gfm7175★★★★★ (3314) |
IBdaMann wrote:GasGuzzler wrote:keepit wrote: I don't have a fancy graphic, but I give you 5 bonus points as well Guzzler. Well done! Edited on 24-04-2020 16:39 |
| 24-04-2020 18:20 | |
| James___★★★★★ (5513) |
keepit wrote: Do you know what I find laughable? People prefer the current situation to common sense. Because we import so much from China, our government couldn't ask a manufacturer to start making surgical masks en mass. Then if everyone wore one for a month, would the curve have been flattened without shutting down the economy? A 2nd wave is being predicted in the fall. And the people in here are typical, I could watch a 100,000 people die. It'd give them something to be "on" about. Kind of like in the US you are either a Republican or a Democrat. |
| 24-04-2020 19:07 | |
| GasGuzzler★★★★★ (2935) |
really busy today so I'll try and catch up tonight guys but I just had to throw this out there quickkeepit wrote: I am not the punctuation police. Am I the only one that sees the capitalization bigotry? Radiation will not penetrate a perfect insulator, thus as I said space is not a perfect insulator.- Swan |
| 24-04-2020 19:19 | |
| gfm7175★★★★★ (3314) |
GasGuzzler wrote: Another good catch!! Another 5 bonus points for you! |
| 24-04-2020 19:51 | |
| GasGuzzler★★★★★ (2935) |
gfm7175 wrote:GasGuzzler wrote: Sweet!! Wonder if maybe there is a climate redemption store where I could exchange my points for a prize? Radiation will not penetrate a perfect insulator, thus as I said space is not a perfect insulator.- Swan |
| 24-04-2020 20:08 | |
| James___★★★★★ (5513) |
GasGuzzler wrote:gfm7175 wrote:GasGuzzler wrote: A booby prize so you can suckle on gfm7175's teet? |
| 25-04-2020 00:00 | |
| gfm7175★★★★★ (3314) |
GasGuzzler wrote:gfm7175 wrote:GasGuzzler wrote: Maybe you could pay off some of your "carbon sin" debts with them?? |
| 25-04-2020 00:01 | |
| gfm7175★★★★★ (3314) |
James___ wrote:GasGuzzler wrote:gfm7175 wrote:GasGuzzler wrote: ......... or that. |
| 25-04-2020 02:13 | |
| IBdaMann★★★★★ (14414) |
GasGuzzler wrote:gfm7175 wrote:GasGuzzler wrote: I apologize for the delay. I just got the order for 5 points to be credited to your account. I have a bit of a backlog these days. Attached image:  |
| 25-04-2020 03:39 | |
| HarveyH55★★★★★ (5197) |
James___ wrote:keepit wrote: The same people dying from covid-19, are the same people who would be dying from the flu, or some other respiratory infection. Covid-19 is just new to the human population, and nobody was immune, like our regular seasonal viruses (many were just as deadly, first couple of years, when new). The world health people thought this was a good chance, to try something new. initially, we took the panic approach, because, well, it's China. And, there was a virus research lab in the neighborhood. Doesn't look like all the precautions and guidelines are really saving many lives. We are on a normal track, for a new infectious virus. What's going wrong, as millions of healthy people, who would have gotten infected, recovered, and been immune, were denied the operatunity. There will be just as many spreaders running around this Fall, as this past season. Since people were compelled to stay home, eat fattening, comfort foods, and binge watch pornagraphy, they weren't outside, exercising, and getting their health, back from the previous winter. There will be more sickly people, potential more likely to have a severe response, over a great age group. |
| 25-04-2020 03:50 | |
| James___★★★★★ (5513) |
HarveyH55 wrote:James___ wrote:keepit wrote: And in 1968 the Spanish flu was new. It killed only 100,000 Americans out of 170 million. That's one out of every 1700 people that the flu got and that's just another way of saying they caught a cold. Today if we said 200,000 people died, would you care? That is what we're talking about. And your repeated answer is that as long as it's not your family. You need to include your family as being accepted casualties. Until you say their deaths are acceptable, your answer has no merit. Please post that if your family did because of coronavirus, you will find that acceptable. If you don't support that, please quit complaining. |
| 25-04-2020 04:15 | |
| HarveyH55★★★★★ (5197) |
James___ wrote:HarveyH55 wrote:James___ wrote:keepit wrote: I've accepted death a long time ago. Nobody, or anything else, lives forever. I'm going to die, my family will die, my friends will one day die as well. I don't dwell on the when and how, we are going to die, it's not always within our control. Hiding in fear, of something nobody controls, is not living. There is nothing wrong with people hiding in their homes, if that's what they want to do, with they're lives. It's not okay, to force everyone else to hide. How many funerals are perform in an average year in America, regardless of cause? |
| 25-04-2020 06:35 | |
| IBdaMann★★★★★ (14414) |
HarveyH55 wrote: I've accepted death a long time ago. I did as well. I got married and never looked back. HarveyH55 wrote: Nobody, or anything else, lives forever. I met a traveller from an antique land, Who said—"Two vast and trunkless legs of stone Stand in the desert. . . . Near them, on the sand, Half sunk a shattered visage lies, whose frown, And wrinkled lip, and sneer of cold command, Tell that its sculptor well those passions read Which yet survive, stamped on these lifeless things, The hand that mocked them, and the heart that fed; And on the pedestal, these words appear: My name is Ozymandias, King of Kings; Look on my Works, ye Mighty, and despair! Nothing beside remains. Round the decay Of that colossal Wreck, boundless and bare The lone and level sands stretch far away." . I don't think i can [define it]. I just kind of get a feel for the phrase. - keepit A Spaghetti strainer with the faucet running, retains water- tmiddles Clouds don't trap heat. Clouds block cold. - Spongy Iris Printing dollars to pay debt doesn't increase the number of dollars. - keepit If Venus were a black body it would have a much much lower temperature than what we found there.- tmiddles Ah the "Valid Data" myth of ITN/IBD. - tmiddles Ceist - I couldn't agree with you more. But when money and religion are involved, and there are people who value them above all else, then the lies begin. - trafn You are completely misunderstanding their use of the word "accumulation"! - Climate Scientist. The Stefan-Boltzman equation doesn't come up with the correct temperature if greenhouse gases are not considered - Hank :*sigh* Not the "raw data" crap. - Leafsdude IB STILL hasn't explained what Planck's Law means. Just more hand waving that it applies to everything and more asserting that the greenhouse effect 'violates' it.- Ceist |
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