Brief history of ice ages, and how that might relate to our future

James___ wrote:

Into the Night wrote:

Thunderstorms don't stack on top of each other. Are you referring to a following storm cell?

..@All,
..Ignore the halo out in front. And this is in Florida. Super cells in the Midwest will behave differently. The 2 lower parts are 2 different thunderheads. Stop it once in a while and take a close look. It's easier to understand this if you're there when it happens.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8a7W0Hm006Y

GasGuzzler wrote:

James___ wrote:

Into the Night wrote:

Thunderstorms don't stack on top of each other. Are you referring to a following storm cell?

..@All,
..Ignore the halo out in front. And this is in Florida. Super cells in the Midwest will behave differently. The 2 lower parts are 2 different thunderheads. Stop it once in a while and take a close look. It's easier to understand this if you're there when it happens.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8a7W0Hm006Y

Sure you posted up the correct storm? In the video you can only see 1/2 of ONE storm. There is NO view of the top to confirm two cells. I see one mature slightly outflow dominant supercell. What are you looking at?

James___ wrote:

GasGuzzler wrote:

James___ wrote:

Into the Night wrote:

Thunderstorms don't stack on top of each other. Are you referring to a following storm cell?

..@All,
..Ignore the halo out in front. And this is in Florida. Super cells in the Midwest will behave differently. The 2 lower parts are 2 different thunderheads. Stop it once in a while and take a close look. It's easier to understand this if you're there when it happens.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8a7W0Hm006Y

Sure you posted up the correct storm? In the video you can only see 1/2 of ONE storm. There is NO view of the top to confirm two cells. I see one mature slightly outflow dominant supercell. What are you looking at?

...GasGuzzler, that it has 2 thunderheads is obvious. That's why there's a dark band between the upper and lower thunderheads and yet both you and itn missed this separation. At the same time you say there is no climate change. itn says that climate cannot be defined. See where I'm going with this ? About all you and itn have is discrediting other people because then this means that you must be right. Still, we're technically in an ice age because glacial ice touches the Southern Ocean in Antarctica and yet we're worried about how warm it's going to get ? See where I went with that ?
..And with this I did call it a Super Cell as well but it has 2 different thunderheads and when it rains those rains will be like 2 different thunderstorms. In the Midwest a Super Cell goes all at once. See where I went with that ?

https://photos.app.goo.gl/GHDGTTHsegBoSq2B8

James___ wrote:

GasGuzzler wrote:

James___ wrote:
[quote]Into the Night wrote:

Thunderstorms don't stack on top of each other. Are you referring to a following storm cell?

..@All,
..Ignore the halo out in front. And this is in Florida. Super cells in the Midwest will behave differently. The 2 lower parts are 2 different thunderheads. Stop it once in a while and take a close look. It's easier to understand this if you're there when it happens.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8a7W0Hm006Y

Sure you posted up the correct storm? In the video you can only see 1/2 of ONE storm. There is NO view of the top to confirm two cells. I see one mature slightly outflow dominant supercell. What are you looking at?

James___ wrote:
That's why there's a dark band between the upper and lower thunderheads and yet both you and itn missed this separation.

James___ wrote:
At the same time you say there is no climate change.

James___ wrote:
itn says that climate cannot be defined.

James___ wrote:
See where I'm going with this?

James___ wrote:
About all you and itn have is discrediting other people because then this means that you must be right.

James___ wrote:
Still, we're technically in an ice age because glacial ice touches the Southern Ocean in Antarctica and yet we're worried about how warm it's going to get ?

James___ wrote:
See where I went with that ?

James___ wrote:
.And with this I did call it a Super Cell as well

James___ wrote:
but it has 2 different thunderheads

James___ wrote:
and when it rains those rains will be like 2 different thunderstorms.

James___ wrote:
In the Midwest a Super Cell goes all at once.

James___ wrote:
See where I went with that ?

GasGuzzler wrote:

OK, now you're going to have to define thunderhead. I define it as a Cumulonimbus cloud, which is a thunderstorm.

Into the Night wrote:

A torrential rain is not like two different thunderstorms.

James___ wrote:

Into the Night wrote:

A torrential rain is not like two different thunderstorms.

...itn, go to Florida one day. You'll see it doesn't constantly sprinkle like Seattle does.
In Florida the video I showed most likely had 2 different periods of torrential rain. That makes it like 2 different thunderstorms because they are separated by time. Time is what a person is aware of when they're not getting stoned all the time.
..You seem to have no concept of time because of your religious faith. People who have impure thoughts like science or math should be stoned. I think you are a very religious person. Just my opinion.

GasGuzzler wrote:

James___ wrote:

Into the Night wrote:

A torrential rain is not like two different thunderstorms.

...itn, go to Florida one day. You'll see it doesn't constantly sprinkle like Seattle does.
In Florida the video I showed most likely had 2 different periods of torrential rain. That makes it like 2 different thunderstorms because they are separated by time. Time is what a person is aware of when they're not getting stoned all the time.
..You seem to have no concept of time because of your religious faith. People who have impure thoughts like science or math should be stoned. I think you are a very religious person. Just my opinion.

The top of that cloud, likely 40,000 ft tall or more, is obscured by the outflow section of that storm. You can't see the top....even if you are seeing double you STILL won't see it!

James___ wrote:

GasGuzzler wrote:

James___ wrote:

Into the Night wrote:

A torrential rain is not like two different thunderstorms.

...itn, go to Florida one day. You'll see it doesn't constantly sprinkle like Seattle does.
In Florida the video I showed most likely had 2 different periods of torrential rain. That makes it like 2 different thunderstorms because they are separated by time. Time is what a person is aware of when they're not getting stoned all the time.
..You seem to have no concept of time because of your religious faith. People who have impure thoughts like science or math should be stoned. I think you are a very religious person. Just my opinion.

The top of that cloud, likely 40,000 ft tall or more, is obscured by the outflow section of that storm. You can't see the top....even if you are seeing double you STILL won't see it!

..You're making stuff up now. The video was a time lapse shot from a distance. There's nothing towering above it.

James___ wrote:

GasGuzzler wrote:

OK, now you're going to have to define thunderhead. I define it as a Cumulonimbus cloud, which is a thunderstorm.

cu·mu·lo·nim·bus
ˌkyo͞omyəlōˈnimbəs/
nounMeteorology
noun: cumulonimbus; plural noun: cumulonimbi; noun: cumulo-nimbus; plural noun: cumulo-nimbi

a cloud forming a towering mass with a flat base at fairly low altitude and often a flat top, as in thunderstorms.
https://www.google.com/search?q=Cumulonibus&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-b-1-ab

..What's in the video doesn't have a towering mass so it can't be your Cumulonimbus https://goo.gl/images/DW5C8P cloud.

..And now we're back to being in an ice age.

James___ wrote:

Into the Night wrote:

A torrential rain is not like two different thunderstorms.

...itn, go to Florida one day.

James___ wrote:
You'll see it doesn't constantly sprinkle like Seattle does.

James___ wrote:
In Florida the video I showed most likely had 2 different periods of torrential rain.

James___ wrote:
That makes it like 2 different thunderstorms because they are separated by time.
...deleted insult fallacies and off topic material...

Into the Night wrote:

The video you showed shows only one cell.

James___ wrote:
[quote]Into the Night wrote:

The video you showed shows only one cell.

James___ wrote:
The dark area is the bottom of the top cell.

James___ wrote:
I placed 4 large arrows pointing towards the bottom of the 2 thunderheads.

James___ wrote:
That's why those areas are so dark.

James___ wrote:
And I did say it is a Super Cell.

James___ wrote:
There is a phenomena associated with thunderstorms that would allow this to function as a Super Cell that can become 2 different cells.

James___ wrote:
This would explain why there is a different thunderstorm a little over an hour later from this same cell.

James___ wrote:
..I think with meteorologists they spend their time on hurricanes and tornadoes for obvious reasons.

James___ wrote:
And from a meteorological stand point this is pretty cool

James___ wrote:
The 2nd picture is to a typical thunderhead which is common in the Midwest and is what GasGuzzler would be talking about.

James___ wrote:
..Ever hear of sprites ?

James___ wrote:
They're the red flashes above this one.

James___ wrote:
And with the heat lightning,

James___ wrote:
the double thunderhead in Florida would/could be a more concentrated storm cell which would allow it to act like 2 thunderheads while being a Super Cell.

James___ wrote:
Just a lot of energy involved and the lower part of the Super Cell could be feeding the upper part as I mentioned.

James___ wrote:
The red sprites go up into space so the heat lightning

James___ wrote:
could be going from bottom to top in this video.

James___ wrote:
..This link is to a picture I took of the Red Sprites. This will let everyone know when and where to look for them. Anymore I don't think either GasGuzzler or itn finds anything interesting.

James___ wrote:
Neither of them have seen a storm cell produce 2 different sets of torrential rains.

James___ wrote:
They can only go by the information they find online.

James___ wrote:
The image I posted does show separation in a Super Cell

James___ wrote:
and both have the dark bottoms of a thunderhead.

James___ wrote:
Unique to Florida I guess.

James___ wrote:
Then again the Gulf Stream is feeding it so that would explain why it would have different characteristics than a storm from the Gulf of Mexico unless it's near the coast.

James___ wrote:
Sprites were accidentally discovered because it was believed that thunderheads never discharged any type of energy up into the atmosphere.

James___ wrote:
...If ya'all have missed it, both itn and GasGuzzler have been supporting mainstream science.

James___ wrote:
Mainstream science claims that there is climate change and global warming.

James___ wrote:
Yet it's possible that a Super cell might actually be similar to 2 Hadley cells

James___ wrote:
only one is on top of the other.

James___ wrote:
Could explain why the thunderstorm comes from the lower part of a Super Cell while the top part of the cell behaves differently/has different winds.

James___ wrote:
They work together in their own way.

Into the Night wrote:

James___ wrote:
...If ya'all have missed it, both itn and GasGuzzler have been supporting mainstream science.

There is no such thing as 'mainstream' science. Science is a set of falsifiable theories, not a media or news agency.

James___ wrote:
Mainstream science claims that there is climate change and global warming.

There is no theory possible, scientific or otherwise, for undefined and meaningless buzzwords. You MUST first define 'global warming' and/or 'climate change' without using circular definitions.

James___ wrote:
Yet it's possible that a Super cell might actually be similar to 2 Hadley cells

No relation.

James___ wrote:
only one is on top of the other.

Thunderstorms don't stack on top of each other.

James___ wrote:
Could explain why the thunderstorm comes from the lower part of a Super Cell while the top part of the cell behaves differently/has different winds.

A thunderstorm IS the cell.

James___ wrote:
They work together in their own way.

No relationship.

James___ wrote:

Into the Night wrote:

James___ wrote:
...If ya'all have missed it, both itn and GasGuzzler have been supporting mainstream science.

There is no such thing as 'mainstream' science. Science is a set of falsifiable theories, not a media or news agency.

James___ wrote:
Mainstream science claims that there is climate change and global warming.

There is no theory possible, scientific or otherwise, for undefined and meaningless buzzwords. You MUST first define 'global warming' and/or 'climate change' without using circular definitions.

James___ wrote:
Yet it's possible that a Super cell might actually be similar to 2 Hadley cells

No relation.

James___ wrote:
only one is on top of the other.

Thunderstorms don't stack on top of each other.

James___ wrote:
Could explain why the thunderstorm comes from the lower part of a Super Cell while the top part of the cell behaves differently/has different winds.

A thunderstorm IS the cell.

James___ wrote:
They work together in their own way.

No relationship.

..This gets old itn where you post like you're an obsessive-compulsive. In the end it's meaningless yet you get off on it. It's an addiction to you, isn't it ?

GasGuzzler wrote:

What gets old is you, in typical liberal fashion, can no longer stand on your statements and then resort to attacking the person and not the argument.
Tell me something James...we got hail here today and it was 90 degrees out. Now how the "hail" did that happen?

Into the Night wrote:

James___ wrote:
...If ya'all have missed it, both itn and GasGuzzler have been supporting mainstream science.

There is no such thing as 'mainstream' science. Science is a set of falsifiable theories, not a media or news agency.

James___ wrote:
...Mainstream science claims that there is climate change and global warming.

There is no theory possible, scientific or otherwise, for undefined and meaningless buzzwords. You MUST first define 'global warming' and/or 'climate change' without using circular definitions.

James___ wrote:
...Why do you require what "is" to be defined ?

James___ wrote:
Yet it's possible that a Super cell might actually be similar to 2 Hadley cells

No relation.

James___ wrote:
...Relation

James___ wrote:
only one is on top of the other.

Thunderstorms don't stack on top of each other.

James___ wrote:
...They do.

James___ wrote:
Could explain why the thunderstorm comes from the lower part of a Super Cell while the top part of the cell behaves differently/has different winds.

A thunderstorm IS the cell.

James___ wrote:
...Define "cell" without using circular definitions.

James___ wrote:
...They work together in their own way.

No relationship.

James___ wrote:
...Relationship

James___ wrote:
...@All, I think this is my new favorite post

James___ wrote:

Into the Night wrote:

James___ wrote:
...If ya'all have missed it, both itn and GasGuzzler have been supporting mainstream science.

There is no such thing as 'mainstream' science. Science is a set of falsifiable theories, not a media or news agency.

James___ wrote:
Mainstream science claims that there is climate change and global warming.

There is no theory possible, scientific or otherwise, for undefined and meaningless buzzwords. You MUST first define 'global warming' and/or 'climate change' without using circular definitions.

James___ wrote:
Yet it's possible that a Super cell might actually be similar to 2 Hadley cells

No relation.

James___ wrote:
only one is on top of the other.

Thunderstorms don't stack on top of each other.

James___ wrote:
Could explain why the thunderstorm comes from the lower part of a Super Cell while the top part of the cell behaves differently/has different winds.

A thunderstorm IS the cell.

James___ wrote:
They work together in their own way.

No relationship.

..This gets old itn where you post like you're an obsessive-compulsive. In the end it's meaningless yet you get off on it. It's an addiction to you, isn't it ?

James___ wrote:

GasGuzzler wrote:

What gets old is you, in typical liberal fashion, can no longer stand on your statements and then resort to attacking the person and not the argument.
Tell me something James...we got hail here today and it was 90 degrees out. Now how the "hail" did that happen?

...gasguzzler, I'm not a liberal. This is a liberal policy.
lib·er·al
ˈlib(ə)rəl/
adjective
adjective: liberal

1.
open to new behavior or opinions and willing to discard traditional values.

James___ wrote:
POLITICO analysis: At $2.3 trillion cost, Trump tax cuts leave big gap

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/02/28/tax-cuts-trump-gop-analysis-430781

...I'm not in here to discuss politics.

James___ wrote:
I'll repost the image of a traditional thunderhead. The area between the 4 arrows is the thunderhead.

James___ wrote:
...The area above it which is all nice and white and fluffy is because something else is happening. I'll let itn explain this with his conservative policy.

James___ wrote:
The difference between that area and the area above should be obvious. If not then I must be seeing double or quadruple, right gasguzzler ?

Into the Night wrote:

James___ wrote:

GasGuzzler wrote:

What gets old is you, in typical liberal fashion, can no longer stand on your statements and then resort to attacking the person and not the argument.
Tell me something James...we got hail here today and it was 90 degrees out. Now how the "hail" did that happen?

...gasguzzler, I'm not a liberal. This is a liberal policy.
lib·er·al
ˈlib(ə)rəl/
adjective
adjective: liberal

1.
open to new behavior or opinions and willing to discard traditional values.

You're a liberal...even by the definition you just gave.

James___ wrote:
POLITICO analysis: At $2.3 trillion cost, Trump tax cuts leave big gap

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/02/28/tax-cuts-trump-gop-analysis-430781

...I'm not in here to discuss politics.

You're here to insult people and push your bizarre religion on others as 'science'.

James___ wrote:
I'll repost the image of a traditional thunderhead. The area between the 4 arrows is the thunderhead.

Just one cell.

James___ wrote:
...The area above it which is all nice and white and fluffy is because something else is happening. I'll let itn explain this with his conservative policy.

Ice.

James___ wrote:
The difference between that area and the area above should be obvious. If not then I must be seeing double or quadruple, right gasguzzler ?

You are seeing double.

Into the Night wrote:

James___ wrote:
...The area above it which is all nice and white and fluffy is because something else is happening. I'll let itn explain this with his conservative policy.

Ice.

James___ wrote:

Into the Night wrote:

James___ wrote:
...The area above it which is all nice and white and fluffy is because something else is happening. I'll let itn explain this with his conservative policy.

Ice.

...Ice what ? I think everyone knows that hail is associated with thunderstorms in the Midwest. A vague reference about an effect of a Midwest thunderstorm is not an answer....deleted off topic rant...

James___ wrote:

Into the Night wrote:

James___ wrote:
...The area above it which is all nice and white and fluffy is because something else is happening. I'll let itn explain this with his conservative policy.

Ice.

...Ice what ? I think everyone knows that hail is associated with thunderstorms in the Midwest. A vague reference about an effect of a Midwest thunderstorm is not an answer. We're back to my saying you find nothing about our environment interesting. It's a good thing that you're not Native American because I've always have heard that Native Americans are naturalists. They care about nature. You seem to have no such desire about you.

James___ wrote:
it's cool posting from TV. I like the way that you're answering for each other. I've heard that couples do that for each other. Are guys gay? It's okay if you are. Actually it's kind of sweet .

GasGuzzler wrote:

James___ wrote:
it's cool posting from TV. I like the way that you're answering for each other. I've heard that couples do that for each other. Are guys gay? It's okay if you are. Actually it's kind of sweet .

Yeah dumbass, the TV always has a date stamp and time stamp on the bottom right-hand corner.

GasGuzzler wrote:

James___ wrote:
it's cool posting from TV. I like the way that you're answering for each other. I've heard that couples do that for each other. Are guys gay? It's okay if you are. Actually it's kind of sweet .

Yeah dumbass, the TV always has a date stamp and time stamp on the bottom right-hand corner.

GasGuzzler wrote:

James___ wrote:

Into the Night wrote:

James___ wrote:
...The area above it which is all nice and white and fluffy is because something else is happening. I'll let itn explain this with his conservative policy.

Ice.

...Ice what ? I think everyone knows that hail is associated with thunderstorms in the Midwest. A vague reference about an effect of a Midwest thunderstorm is not an answer. We're back to my saying you find nothing about our environment interesting. It's a good thing that you're not Native American because I've always have heard that Native Americans are naturalists. They care about nature. You seem to have no such desire about you.

Hail can pound Florida too, not just the Midwest. Guess what? it forms from the same process, anywhere in the world. The only thing different may be what is causing the tremendous lift. Believe it or not, it has NEVER been caused by stacked super cells.

By the way, what you point to in your picture is just the shelf cloud with a couple striations. The actual rain core is a mile or two south of it.

...and don't tell me I don't appreciate nature. This is the storm i was chasing just last night. I left work just about ten minutes late as this was looking south with a 60mph eastward storm motion. Storms are my passion and I've spent shitloads of too much money driving to see them.

GasGuzzler wrote:
My bad, I thought you were trying to say I didn't take the pic and stole it off the TV.

I guess you were just rambling on about nothing again. Sorry.

This is the same storm looking west at around the same time...and the view I wanted to get...and I just realized my camera is an hour off on the time. I did steal this one off the web.

How many supper cells are stacked in this one do you think??

James___ wrote:
..Since it's close enough to Friday. Heat is removed from the thunderhead which is why there is an updraft.

James___ wrote:
This is why hail can form when barometric pressure is low enough.

James___ wrote:
Thermodynamics states that heat flows from warm to cold yet in a thunderhead there is that updraft of warm air from the cold thunderhead. Something for itn and gasguzzler to consider.

James___ wrote:
..With me makes me kind of think that water molecules might create a stronger bond in a Joules-Thomson field.

James___ wrote:
Then again at some point they might bind which basically means they could start sharing electrons. Kind of what research is for.

James___ wrote:
To understand how the adhesive properties of water molecules might be efficiently reduced for engineering purposes. Stuff like that isn't for this forum though.

James___ wrote:
..With me makes me kind of think that water molecules might create a stronger bond in a Joules-Thomson field.

Into the Night wrote:
There is no such thing as a Joules-Thompson field. The bond strength of water is the same regardless of any Joules-Thompson effect.

GasGuzzler wrote:
Believe it or not, it has NEVER been caused by stacked super cells.

James___ wrote:

James___ wrote:
..With me makes me kind of think that water molecules might create a stronger bond in a Joules-Thomson field.

Into the Night wrote:
There is no such thing as a Joules-Thompson field. The bond strength of water is the same regardless of any Joules-Thompson effect.

https://www.britannica.com/science/Joule-Thomson-effect

Field; An area rich in a natural product, typically oil or gas.

..What makes this sad is that you are the one who insists on defining everything. At the same time you say we already know everything. This makes you a Flat Earther.

James___ wrote:

GasGuzzler wrote:
Believe it or not, it has NEVER been caused by stacked super cells.

..I never said it was. This is almost funny. If you and ITN would've been alive in 1900 both of you would've said powered flight was impossible,

James___ wrote:
breaking the sound barrier would've been impossible

James___ wrote:
and everything we have today you'd say it was all science fiction.

James___ wrote:
You guys are like my nephews when they were about 10. They didn't believe me when I told them that there was a time when phones had to be dialed with a round dial and there were no video games. They thought I was making things up.

Into the Night wrote:

GasGuzzler wrote:
My bad, I thought you were trying to say I didn't take the pic and stole it off the TV.

I guess you were just rambling on about nothing again. Sorry.

This is the same storm looking west at around the same time...and the view I wanted to get...and I just realized my camera is an hour off on the time. I did steal this one off the web.

How many supper cells are stacked in this one do you think??

That's a neat cloud formation. It looks like the arc of doom.