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02-11-2017 17:10
Emil
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Does melting ice caps make the ocean cooler or hotter?
02-11-2017 17:14
Wake
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L8112 wrote: bla bla bla, same old shit. conveniently leaving out that parties switched platforms


Sorry - the Republican Party platform has been exactly the same as when the party was founded in 1854. Not one word of it has been changed. They are still the party of freedom of all people. They are still the party of reduced government and they are still the party of getting illegals out of this country.

Oh wait - that was Franklin D. Roosevelt that believed in kicking all illegals out of the country. It was Theodore Roosevelt that believed in taking all the land away from Indians.

Seems like you haven't the slightest clue but love to believe the rumors of other stupid jackasses like yourself.
02-11-2017 17:18
Emil
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Not true goldwater was not a religious nut or Dwight d. Eisenhower...the repubs have been hijacked by the religious right. Just watch bill maher....he'll explain it.
02-11-2017 17:22
Wake
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Emil wrote: Does melting ice caps make the ocean cooler or hotter?


Emil, that has been correctly answered by many people here. Can you not understand what has been said? Let's try again:

El hielo derretido no hace que el área inmediata del hielo que se derrite sea más fría, ya que entonces reformaría el hielo, ya que está sentado a la misma temperatura que el hielo.

Para provocar un cambio de fase, desde hielo sólido hasta agua, debe agregar calor, pero esto realmente no cambia la temperatura del agua. Se agrega energía que causa el cambio de fase pero no un cambio de temperatura.

Ahora, teóricamente, si derritiera suficiente hielo, esto provocaría la circulación de corrientes que llevarían el agua polar fría a aguas más templadas y las enfriarían de alguna manera.

Pero la madre naturaleza está preparada para esto. La Tierra ha existido durante mucho tiempo y ha pasado por períodos cálidos mucho más cálidos que el presente con la mayoría de las áreas terrestres de las junglas tropicales de la Tierra (el desierto del Sahara era una exuberante jungla tropical). Luego, durante las glaciaciones, los grandes casquetes polares se formaron reduciendo los niveles del mar, reduciendo las lluvias y formando los grandes desiertos del mundo.

Esto es todo un proceso natural y no es probable que cambie. Seguro como el infierno no está cambiando nada de lo que hace el hombre. Si alguien te dice que 100 partes en un millón de CO2 en la atmósfera va a cambiar el clima de la Tierra, tienes mi permiso para reírse en su cara.
02-11-2017 17:28
Wake
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Emil wrote:
Not true goldwater was not a religious nut or Dwight d. Eisenhower...the repubs have been hijacked by the religious right. Just watch bill maher....he'll explain it.



Ya tenemos nuestro límite de personas estúpidas en este país. Es hora de que te vayas a casa.
02-11-2017 17:44
GasGuzzler
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Oh hell, we could go round and round all day. So just one question for you socialists.

What percent of your paycheck do you voluntarily give each week to those who make less than you?
02-11-2017 18:03
Emil
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I'm on disability now so i love socialism.
02-11-2017 18:07
Wake
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Emil wrote: I'm on disability now so i love socialism.


illegals aren't supposed to be on disability.
02-11-2017 20:26
Emil
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Illegal?
02-11-2017 21:00
Into the Night
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Emil wrote:
Illegal?


As far as I'm concerned, you are an arrogant thief.


The Parrot Killer
02-11-2017 21:31
Emil
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Lol how so?
02-11-2017 21:37
Into the Night
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You're proud of the fact that you are sponging off of others that work to support themselves AND you.

Why the disability? Are you too fat to get off your chair and find some real work somewhere? Are you too mentally unstable to hold a job?

Tell me...why should MY money be taken from ME by force and given to YOU?
Edited on 02-11-2017 21:40
02-11-2017 22:07
Emil
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I'm schizoaffective dude.
02-11-2017 22:38
Wake
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Emil wrote: I'm schizoaffective dude.


I'm going through this part where you have a small business that's doing well and you're on disability. That is against the law you understand?
03-11-2017 01:08
Into the Night
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Wake wrote:
Emil wrote: I'm schizoaffective dude.


I'm going through this part where you have a small business that's doing well and you're on disability. That is against the law you understand?


Ya got 'em on that one, dude.

Guess he didn't realize he can't have it both ways!


The Parrot Killer
03-11-2017 02:38
Emil
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I'm cool like that. And I'm from Delaware
04-11-2017 20:01
Wake
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Emil wrote: I'm cool like that. And I'm from Delaware


Then you ought to be really cool with those strict gun laws in Delaware. Explain to everyone what those laws are.
05-11-2017 18:31
Into the Night
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Wake wrote:
Emil wrote: I'm cool like that. And I'm from Delaware


Then you ought to be really cool with those strict gun laws in Delaware. Explain to everyone what those laws are.


?? Why?? This is a climate debate forum, not a gun debate forum!


The Parrot Killer
05-11-2017 19:46
litesong
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"old sick silly sleepy sleezy slimy steenkin' filthy vile reprobate rooting (& rotting) racist pukey proud pig AGW denier liar whiner badnight" bluffed:
"old sick silly sleepy sleezy slimy steenkin' filthy vile reprobate rooting (& rotting) racist pukey proud pig AGW denier liar whiner many time threatener wake-me-up" yipped": Then you ought to be really cool with those strict gun laws in Delaware.
This is a climate debate forum, not a gun debate forum!
"old sick silly sleepy sleezy slimy steenkin' filthy vile reprobate rooting (& rotting) racist pukey proud pig AGW denier liar whiner many time threatener wake-me-up" is enamored with its new complementary bump stock from its NRA donation. They are NOT accurate, but don't spend over-much time in large groups of innocents. Of course, ""old sick silly sleepy sleezy slimy steenkin' filthy vile reprobate rooting (& rotting) racist pukey proud pig AGW denier liar whiner badnight" is NEVER attracted to innocents or innocence.
Edited on 05-11-2017 20:20
12-01-2018 01:55
litesong
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[b]Emil wrote: My uncle asked if the ice caps are melting wouldnt that make the ocean cooler? Any thoughts?
Pouring the energy of the annual U.S. consumption of energy into 325 cubic kilometers of ice, that is ready to melt, adds no excess temperature to the water. Its just the energy needed to change the phase of ice to liquid water.
12-01-2018 11:02
Tim the plumber
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Emil wrote:
Does melting ice caps make the ocean cooler or hotter?


Neither. Suprisingly.

The heat required to melt floating ice has to come from somewhere. The sun's heat is absorbed by the open ocean and if there is any ice around it melts as the slightly above zero water comes into contact with it.

Water is odd stuff near 4c. It gets more dense as it cools as per normal but when it reaches 4c it then starts to become less dense again.

This means that if you have a cold sea (below 4c) and a warm sea (above 4c) mixing, say all along the North Atlantic between Canada and Norway, then when it reaches 4c it falls to the ocean floor. Taking with it oxygen and stuff.

This process keeps the ocean bottom at a stable temperature. Unless there are no cold seas anywhere the process will continue to maintain the temperature f the deep ocean as the rest of the water colum is slowly working it's way back to the surface.

More open water allows more sunshine to be absorbed. That will cause a little warming.

The amount of ice melt as a volume entering the world's oceans is very very tiny compared to the generla flow of the world's ocean currents. No real effect.
12-01-2018 21:45
litesong
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"old sick silly sleepy sleezy AGW denier liar whiner tipped the leakey plunger" plugged: The sun's heat is absorbed by the open ocean and if there is any ice around it melts as the slightly above zero water comes into contact with it....The amount of ice melt as a volume entering the world's oceans is very very tiny.....
For half(?) a century, solar TSI has been languid & low for 11+ years (including a 3+ year period, setting a 100 year record low). Solar TSI has been so low, that AGW denier liar whiners have been predicting an ice age for 20 years. However, Earth lower atmosphere temperatures have NOT returned to temperatures of 100 years ago. For 395+ STRAIGHT months, temperatures have been over the 20th century average. Instead of an ice age, Arctic sea ice has been ranging from 6000 to 12,000 cubic kilometers LESS than the average of the 1980's. The amount of energy the melted Arctic sea ice loss accounts for, is ~ 19 to 37 times the U.S. annual consumption of energy.
Edited on 12-01-2018 21:47
12-01-2018 22:16
Into the Night
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litesong wrote:
[b]Emil wrote: My uncle asked if the ice caps are melting wouldnt that make the ocean cooler? Any thoughts?
Pouring the energy of the annual U.S. consumption of energy into 325 cubic kilometers of ice, that is ready to melt, adds no excess temperature to the water. Its just the energy needed to change the phase of ice to liquid water.


Who is pouring the energy of the annual U.S. consumption of energy into 325 cubit km of ice???


The Parrot Killer
12-01-2018 23:09
litesong
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"old sick silly sleepy sleezy AGW denier liar whiner badnight" bluffed: Who is pouring the energy of the annual U.S. consumption of energy into 325 cubit km of ice???
old sick silly sleepy sleezy AGW denier liar whiners & many time (plus 1) threateners say, the sun's heat is absorbed by the open ocean and if there is any ice around it melts as the slightly above zero water comes into contact with it....
However:
For half(?) a century, solar TSI has been languid & low for 11+ years (including a 3+ year period, setting a 100 year record low). Solar TSI has been so low, that AGW denier liar whiners have been predicting an ice age for 20 years. However, Earth lower atmosphere temperatures have NOT returned to temperatures of 100 years ago. For 395+ STRAIGHT months, temperatures have been over the 20th century average. Instead of an ice age, Arctic sea ice has been ranging from 6000 to 12,000 cubic kilometers LESS than the average of the 1980's. The amount of energy the melted Arctic sea ice loss accounts for, is ~ 19 to 37 times the U.S. annual consumption of energy.
13-01-2018 00:04
Into the Night
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litesong wrote:
"old sick silly sleepy sleezy AGW denier liar whiner badnight" bluffed: Who is pouring the energy of the annual U.S. consumption of energy into 325 cubit km of ice???
old sick silly sleepy sleezy AGW denier liar whiners & many time (plus 1) threateners say, the sun's heat is absorbed by the open ocean and if there is any ice around it melts as the slightly above zero water comes into contact with it....
However:
For half(?) a century, solar TSI has been languid & low for 11+ years (including a 3+ year period, setting a 100 year record low). Solar TSI has been so low, that AGW denier liar whiners have been predicting an ice age for 20 years. However, Earth lower atmosphere temperatures have NOT returned to temperatures of 100 years ago. For 395+ STRAIGHT months, temperatures have been over the 20th century average. Instead of an ice age, Arctic sea ice has been ranging from 6000 to 12,000 cubic kilometers LESS than the average of the 1980's. The amount of energy the melted Arctic sea ice loss accounts for, is ~ 19 to 37 times the U.S. annual consumption of energy.


Since you just spend your days quoting random numbers, that's rather a pointless response.


The Parrot Killer
13-01-2018 00:29
litesong
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"old sick silly sleepy sleezy slimy slimebarf steenkin' filthy vile reprobate rooting (& rotting) racist pukey proud pig AGW denier liar whiner badnight" bluffed: ....you just spend your days quoting random numbers.....
If my numbers were random, you wouldn't keep chasing me. But you know they are accurate & this truth bugs you. Yeah, AGW denier liar whiners crowed about the solar TSI being low for years, declaring a return to an ice age. Meanwhile:
Earth lower atmosphere temperatures have NOT returned to temperatures of 100 years ago. For 395+ STRAIGHT months, temperatures have been over the 20th century average. Instead of an ice age, Arctic sea ice has been ranging from 6000 to 12,000 cubic kilometers LESS than the average of the 1980's. The amount of energy the melted Arctic sea ice loss accounts for, is ~ 19 to 37 times the U.S. annual consumption of energy.
Edited on 13-01-2018 00:31
13-01-2018 01:19
Into the Night
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litesong wrote:
"old sick silly sleepy sleezy slimy slimebarf steenkin' filthy vile reprobate rooting (& rotting) racist pukey proud pig AGW denier liar whiner badnight" bluffed: ....you just spend your days quoting random numbers.....
If my numbers were random, you wouldn't keep chasing me.


I don't. I usually don't bother with you at all.


The Parrot Killer
13-01-2018 02:38
Wake
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Emil wrote: Not true goldwater was not a religious nut or Dwight d. Eisenhower...the repubs have been hijacked by the religious right. Just watch bill maher....he'll explain it.


You are really a dumbass aren't you? President Eisenhower was born and raised in Texas. He had a VERY strong religious upbringing as a Baptist I believe.

When you don't know something don't show your ignorance.

And then to compound your ignorance you want to use a single person to describe anyone that doesn't like the cowardice of the left who will not actually come out and say what they intend to do but instead hides behind false colors of non-discrimination when the most discriminatory Presidents in this country have always been Democrats. Or perhaps you don't remember Woodrow Wilson using an executive order to re-install segregation in all government offices after the practice had been stopped by Republican Theodore Roosevelt.

Wilson's rules of segregation right down to F-ing TOILETS was unchallenged right down to the religious beliefs of President Dwight D. Eisenhower.

Perhaps Goldwater wasn't publicly religious but he was so far ahead of his time that you should have your stupid face slapped.

Quotes from Goldwater "The laws of God, and of nature, have no dateline. [...] These principles are derived from the nature of man, and from the truths that God has revealed about His creation." "You don't have to be straight to be a soldier, you only have to shoot straight." "Any government big enough to give you all you want is big enough to take all you have."

But it is never a surprise when a liberal will speak loudly about what he knows - nothing.
13-01-2018 04:02
litesong
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Into the Night wrote:
litesong wrote:
"old sick silly sleepy sleezy slimy slimebarf steenkin' filthy vile reprobate rooting (& rotting) racist pukey proud pig AGW denier liar whiner badnight" bluffed: ....you just spend your days quoting random numbers.....
If my numbers were random, you wouldn't keep chasing me.
I don't. I usually don't bother with you at all.
You keep chasing like a bird dog with a busted nose, like a beast who can't arrive at its barbarous destination.
13-01-2018 12:29
Tim the plumber
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litesong wrote:
"old sick silly sleepy sleezy AGW denier liar whiner tipped the leakey plunger" plugged: The sun's heat is absorbed by the open ocean and if there is any ice around it melts as the slightly above zero water comes into contact with it....The amount of ice melt as a volume entering the world's oceans is very very tiny.....
For half(?) a century, solar TSI has been languid & low for 11+ years (including a 3+ year period, setting a 100 year record low). Solar TSI has been so low, that AGW denier liar whiners have been predicting an ice age for 20 years. However, Earth lower atmosphere temperatures have NOT returned to temperatures of 100 years ago. For 395+ STRAIGHT months, temperatures have been over the 20th century average. Instead of an ice age, Arctic sea ice has been ranging from 6000 to 12,000 cubic kilometers LESS than the average of the 1980's. The amount of energy the melted Arctic sea ice loss accounts for, is ~ 19 to 37 times the U.S. annual consumption of energy.


You are begining to see how tiny human energy usage is compared to nature's numbers.
13-01-2018 19:54
litesong
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"old sick silly sleepy sleezy AGW denier liar whiner tipped the leakey plunger" plugged:
litesong wrote:
"old sick silly sleepy sleezy AGW denier liar whiner tipped the leakey plunger" plugged: The sun's heat is absorbed by the open ocean and if there is any ice around it melts as the slightly above zero water comes into contact with it....The amount of ice melt as a volume entering the world's oceans is very very tiny.....
For half(?) a century, solar TSI has been languid & low for 11+ years (including a 3+ year period, setting a 100 year record low). Solar TSI has been so low, that AGW denier liar whiners have been predicting an ice age for 20 years. However, Earth lower atmosphere temperatures have NOT returned to temperatures of 100 years ago. For 395+ STRAIGHT months, temperatures have been over the 20th century average. Instead of an ice age, Arctic sea ice has been ranging from 6000 to 12,000 cubic kilometers LESS than the average of the 1980's. The amount of energy the melted Arctic sea ice loss accounts for, is ~ 19 to 37 times the U.S. annual consumption of energy.
You are begining(sic) to see how tiny human energy usage is compared to nature's numbers.
I see what "tipped the leaky plunger doesn't mention..... that the languid performance of the sun in the last 50 years should have increased Arctic sea ice in the Arctic by 10,000cubic kilometers (more?). However, AGW has decreased Arctic sea ice often by 10,000 cubic kilometers or more.
Edited on 13-01-2018 19:55
14-01-2018 18:35
Wake
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Emil wrote: Lol how so?


Emil, firstly I suggest you pay no attention to nightmare.

But there is nothing wrong with drawing honest disability. The problem is that we have 30 year olds that are driving new cars that never worked a single day in their lives with the socialist policies of the Democrats.

Many people have no ethics and are perfectly happy to work the system. Or to believe that if someone has more money than they do it's from cheating or not paying their "fair share". Until Trump's tax bill the top 10% income earners were paying 86% if all Federal income taxes because their tax rates were outrageous.

Those with enough money could hire financial advisers that knew where all the loopholes were and could work these guys around. But that was only the top 2%. Most of the top 10% were people like me what had to work as engineering consultants. So our additional income to pay for our own benefits were taxed so heavily we simply were lucky to have ends met. And I worked on projects like clearing the blood banking system of HIV and the communications project for the original International Space Station. My work helped one man win a Nobel Prize and another several Emmy Awards.

I never had a new car until I was over 60 and near retirement because I had to save every penny for after retirement. Not that it helped since I got a concussion and didn't know up from down and the "charity" vultures gathered around and wiped out my bank account.

Now I'm living on Social Security and a very small stipend from my 401k which allows me to pay my bills. An extra $500/mth after working since I was 16 years old at some extremely important jobs. My first job out of the Air Force was in high energy nuclear research. True it was low end but it empresses me even this day. I helped build the base station for the Pacific Coast Internet. Our computer would handle 100 simultaneous inputs whereas the best IBM could handle three.

My wife went to visit the woman who taught music at the same school as my wife taught English. She said that her investments (after working her whole life as a teacher mind you) made $250,000 last year. All of us with any investments lost money the entire time Obama was in office. My 401 in one year almost recovered the 20% it lost during the time of Obama.

If you're on Disability work to get well because you can be a whole lot more comfortable after Trump finishes draining the swamp. At the moment Hillary, John McCain and George Soros are under house arrest. Some more than 1,300 sealed indictments have been issued and included among them are leaders of the FBI, CIA and possibly the NSA. Obama allowed MS-13 into this country to act as enforcers and assassins for the Clinton Foundation's heroin operation. The military has 21 heroin factories in Afghanistan and Syria on their charts and have already bombed many of them. It was finally discovered that it was Hillary and the Clinton foundation that paid for a fictional Trump dossier and now it has come back to bite her.

We were living in a world where we were enslaved and most of the snowflakes didn't even know it. Fresh air and freedom is presently on the horizon. There have been 7 attempts to assassinate Trump and now the military has taken over his protection. And you didn't see a word of all this on the liberal major media. You have seen nothing but anti-Trump fake news.
14-01-2018 21:46
litesong
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"old sick silly sleepy sleezy slimy slimebarf steenkin' filthy vile reprobate rooting (& rotting) racist pukey proud pig AGW denier liar whiner & many time (plus 1) threatener wake-me-up" wiffed:...7 attempts to assassinate Trump....
.....& the FBI has been behind 4 of the 7 attempts, too.
17-01-2018 15:21
James_
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litesong wrote:
"old sick silly sleepy sleezy AGW denier liar whiner tipped the leakey plunger" plugged:
litesong wrote:
"old sick silly sleepy sleezy AGW denier liar whiner tipped the leakey plunger" plugged: The sun's heat is absorbed by the open ocean and if there is any ice around it melts as the slightly above zero water comes into contact with it....The amount of ice melt as a volume entering the world's oceans is very very tiny.....
For half(?) a century, solar TSI has been languid & low for 11+ years (including a 3+ year period, setting a 100 year record low). Solar TSI has been so low, that AGW denier liar whiners have been predicting an ice age for 20 years. However, Earth lower atmosphere temperatures have NOT returned to temperatures of 100 years ago. For 395+ STRAIGHT months, temperatures have been over the 20th century average. Instead of an ice age, Arctic sea ice has been ranging from 6000 to 12,000 cubic kilometers LESS than the average of the 1980's. The amount of energy the melted Arctic sea ice loss accounts for, is ~ 19 to 37 times the U.S. annual consumption of energy.
You are begining(sic) to see how tiny human energy usage is compared to nature's numbers.
I see what "tipped the leaky plunger doesn't mention..... that the languid performance of the sun in the last 50 years should have increased Arctic sea ice in the Arctic by 10,000cubic kilometers (more?). However, AGW has decreased Arctic sea ice often by 10,000 cubic kilometers or more.


From the Greenland Sea and the Gulf Stream, the Arctic Ocean above Norway, Sweden, Finland and western Russia has no pack ice. Could be why the polar vortex shifts to over Canada and the U.S.
Attached image:


Edited on 17-01-2018 15:22
17-01-2018 16:14
Wake
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James_ wrote:
litesong wrote:
"old sick silly sleepy sleezy AGW denier liar whiner tipped the leakey plunger" plugged:
litesong wrote:
"old sick silly sleepy sleezy AGW denier liar whiner tipped the leakey plunger" plugged: The sun's heat is absorbed by the open ocean and if there is any ice around it melts as the slightly above zero water comes into contact with it....The amount of ice melt as a volume entering the world's oceans is very very tiny.....
For half(?) a century, solar TSI has been languid & low for 11+ years (including a 3+ year period, setting a 100 year record low). Solar TSI has been so low, that AGW denier liar whiners have been predicting an ice age for 20 years. However, Earth lower atmosphere temperatures have NOT returned to temperatures of 100 years ago. For 395+ STRAIGHT months, temperatures have been over the 20th century average. Instead of an ice age, Arctic sea ice has been ranging from 6000 to 12,000 cubic kilometers LESS than the average of the 1980's. The amount of energy the melted Arctic sea ice loss accounts for, is ~ 19 to 37 times the U.S. annual consumption of energy.
You are begining(sic) to see how tiny human energy usage is compared to nature's numbers.
I see what "tipped the leaky plunger doesn't mention..... that the languid performance of the sun in the last 50 years should have increased Arctic sea ice in the Arctic by 10,000cubic kilometers (more?). However, AGW has decreased Arctic sea ice often by 10,000 cubic kilometers or more.


From the Greenland Sea and the Gulf Stream, the Arctic Ocean above Norway, Sweden, Finland and western Russia has no pack ice. Could be why the polar vortex shifts to over Canada and the U.S.


Postings from a lunatic should be treated as such and simply ignored.
18-01-2018 01:41
James_
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GasGuzzler wrote:
Oh hell, we could go round and round all day. So just one question for you socialists.

What percent of your paycheck do you voluntarily give each week to those who make less than you?


I am at the bottom of the food chain. The projects that I'm pursuing are in the hopes of changing that.
18-01-2018 01:49
James_
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Emil wrote:
My uncle asked if the ice caps are melting wouldnt that make the ocean cooler? Any thoughts?


Freshwater freezes at 32° F. while salty ocean water freezes at 28.4° F. I haven't seen if they've checked the sea pack ice for salt content.
18-01-2018 02:33
Into the Night
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James_ wrote:
Emil wrote:
My uncle asked if the ice caps are melting wouldnt that make the ocean cooler? Any thoughts?


Freshwater freezes at 32° F. while salty ocean water freezes at 28.4° F. I haven't seen if they've checked the sea pack ice for salt content.

Ice has no salt content. When water freezes, the salt is frozen out of it. Only a small amount of salt might remain trapped between the ice crystals.


The Parrot Killer
18-01-2018 14:37
James_
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Emil wrote:
My uncle asked if the ice caps are melting wouldnt that make the ocean cooler? Any thoughts?


Freshwater freezes at 32° F. while salty ocean water freezes at 28.4° F. With ice packs forming that would show air temperature.
I'd be more concerned about pack ice not forming. That could suggest that the water has a supply of heat.
18-01-2018 15:58
Wake
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James_ wrote:
GasGuzzler wrote:
Oh hell, we could go round and round all day. So just one question for you socialists.

What percent of your paycheck do you voluntarily give each week to those who make less than you?


I am at the bottom of the food chain. The projects that I'm pursuing are in the hopes of changing that.


Are you saying that you are a socialist?
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