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Ethical Depopulation Could Save the Planet



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15-12-2017 00:49
Wake
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Robertgreene3 wrote:


Here are some quotes you can hold dear to your heart:

1. "But for my view, I believe that there should be no more babies."
-- Interview with John Parsons, 1947

2. "The most merciful thing that the large family does to one of its infant members is to kill it."
-- Woman and the New Race, Chapter 5, "The Wickedness of Creating Large Families." (1920) http://www.bartleby.com/1013/

3. "We don't want the word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population..."
-- Letter to Dr. Clarence J. Gamble, December 10, 1939, p. 2
https://libex.smith.edu/omeka/...

4. "I accepted an invitation to talk to the women's branch of the Ku Klux Klan... I was escorted to the platform, was introduced, and began to speak...In the end, through simple illustrations I believed I had accomplished my purpose. A dozen invitations to speak to similar groups were proffered."
-- Margaret Sanger, An Autobiography, published in 1938, p. 366

5. "I think the greatest sin in the world is bringing children into the world, that have disease from their parents, that have no chance in the world to be a human being practically... Delinquents, prisoners, all sorts of things just marked when they're born. That to me is the greatest sin—that people can—can commit."
-- Interview with journalist Mike Wallace, 1957

6. "The most serious evil of our times is that of encouraging the bringing into the world of large families. The most immoral practice of the day is breeding too many children..."
-- Sanger, Margaret. Woman and the New Race (1920). Chapter 5: The Wickedness of Creating Large Families. http://www.bartleby.com/1013/5...

7. "Eugenics without birth control seems to us a house builded [sic] upon the sands. It is at the mercy of the rising stream of the unfit."
-- Sanger, Margaret. (1919) Birth Control and Racial Betterment. The Birth Control Review.

8. "As an advocate of birth control, I wish to take advantage of the present opportunity to point out that the unbalance between the birth rate of the 'unfit' and the 'fit,' admittedly the greatest present menace to civilization, can never be rectified by the inauguration of a cradle competition between these two classes."
-- Sanger, Margaret. (1921) The Eugenic Value of Birth Control Propaganda. The Birth Control Review, p. 5. http://birthcontrolreview.net/...

9. "The most urgent problem today is how to limit and discourage the over-fertility of the mentally and physically defective."
-- Sanger, Margaret. (1921) The Eugenic Value of Birth Control Propaganda, Birth Control Review, p. 5
https://www.nyu.edu/projects/s...

10. "No more children should be born when the parents, though healthy themselves, find that their children are physically or mentally defective."
-- Sanger, Margaret. (1918) When Should A Woman Avoid Having Children? Birth Control Review, Nov. 1918, 6-7, Margaret Sanger Microfilm, S70:807.
https://www.nyu.edu/projects/s...

11. "A marriage license shall in itself give husband and wife only the right to a common household and not the right to parenthood."
-- Margaret Sanger, "America Needs a Code for Babies," Article 3, 27 Mar 1934.
https://www.nyu.edu/projects/s...

12. "No woman shall have the legal right to bear a child, and no man shall have the right to become a father, without a permit for parenthood."
-- Margaret Sanger, "America Needs a Code for Babies," Article 4, March 27, 1934.

13. "Permits for parenthood shall be issued upon application by city, county, or state authorities to married couples, providing they are financially able to support the expected child, have the qualifications needed for proper rearing of the child, have no transmissible diseases, and, on the woman's part, no medical indication that maternity is likely to result in death or permanent injury to health."
-- Margaret Sanger, "America Needs a Code for Babies," Article 5, March 27, 1934.

14. "No permit for parenthood shall be valid for more than one birth..."
-- Margaret Sanger, "America Needs a Code for Babies," Article 6, March 27, 1934.

15. "Apply a stern and rigid policy of sterilization and segregation to that grade of population whose progeny is tainted, or whose inheritance is such that objectionable traits may be transmitted to offspring."
-- Sanger, Margaret. "My Way to Peace," Jan. 17, 1932. Margaret Sanger Papers, Library of Congress 130:198. https://www.nyu.edu/projects/s...

16. "... these two words [birth control] sum up our whole philosophy... It means the release and cultivation of the better elements in our society, and the gradual suppression, elimination and eventual extinction, of defective stocks -- those human weeds which threaten the blooming of the finest flowers of American civilization."
-- Margaret Sanger, "High Lights in the History of Birth Control," Oct 1923.
https://www.nyu.edu/projects/s...

17. "Organized charity itself is the symptom of a malignant social disease..."
-- Sanger, Margaret (1922). The Pivot of Civilization.

18. "My own position is that the Catholic doctrine is illogical, not in accord with science, and definitely against social welfare and race improvement."
-- Margaret Sanger, "The Pope's Position on Birth Control," Jan. 27, 1932.
https://www.nyu.edu/projects/s...

19. "All of our problems are the result of overbreeding among the working class... Knowledge of birth control is essentially moral. Its general, though prudent, practice must lead to a higher individuality and ultimately to a cleaner race."
-- Margaret Sanger, "Morality and Birth Control," Feb-Mar 1918.
http://www.nyu.edu/projects/sa...

20. "Feeble-mindedness perpetuates itself from the ranks of those who are blandly indifferent to their racial responsibilities. And it is largely this type of humanity we are now drawing upon to populate our world for the generations to come. In this orgy of multiplying and replenishing the earth, this type is pari passu multiplying and perpetuating those direst evils in which we must, if civilization is to survive, extirpate by the very roots."
-- Margaret Sanger, The Pivot of Civilization, 1922
https://www.scribd.com/documen...

21. "Birth control itself, often denounced as a violation of natural law, is nothing more or less than the facilitation of the process of weeding out the unfit, of preventing the birth of defectives or of those who will become defectives... If we are to make racial progress, this development of womanhood must precede motherhood in every individual woman." -- "Woman and the New Race," 1920

You can show your great and marvelous morals and ethics because you like all liberals believe that it is the responsibility of others to die and leave you more room.



I understand there are some sick psychopaths using overpopulation as an excuse to commit mass murder and genocide. I appreciate your concern here, because it's the very same concern I have. These elites undermine ethical efforts to deal with overpopulation. There are other elites who want rapid growth to exploit cheap labor, and undermine local manufacturing. It's a very complicated issue. I think we need to find ethical ways of gradually reducing the worlds population as a whole, without singling out any race or ethnicity, but giving priority to highly overpopulated countries first.

We shouldn't be afraid of discussing overpopulation, just because these concerns arise. We need to separate the ethical from the unethical solutions. I am also not a liberal. I'm a conservative with an environmental background. I'm against deficit financing, because its stealing money from future generations, so insiders can become rich.

I'm very impressed with your efforts to address some serious concerns about overpopulation. Please post more information.


And I understand you don't know the full implications of what you're saying. You'll catch all kinds of flack here but just consider it a learning experience.
15-12-2017 14:11
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I have an ethical solution to overpopulation. Instead of sponsor a child, it's called "sponsor a vasectomy". The most racist thing we can do to the third world, is ignore it, and let them breed at unsustainable levels, while the globalist continue to exploit their endless supply of cheap labor. If $100 could pay for 50 vasectomies, i'd give that money in a heartbeat.

As third world populations start to stabilize, wages would start to go up, and their quality of life, and environment would improve.

I'd only have one condition, the vasectomy can only be performed after a fathers second child. We have to respect the dignity of a normal family size. I think that's an ethical compromise, that still encourages parenthood, at a reasonable level.

I would also refuse to pay a carbon tax to environmental scammers, until the agree to use that money to pay for ethical solutions to fight overpopulation. We shouldn't tolerate the hypocrisy.

Take this conversation to other forums. And sell the concept of "Ethical Depopulation" as a solution to the environment, climate change, and quality of life, for the world's citizens. Let's lobby for wide-scale vasectomies programs to be paid for by governments, and charities. Start a research pool, and get documentaries made. Demand that media cover this issue. Overpopulation is the number one cause of climate change, but their are ethical ways to slow it down. Do not compromise on political correctness, but be as ethical as possible.
15-12-2017 18:11
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Robertgreene3 wrote:
I have an ethical solution to overpopulation. Instead of sponsor a child, it's called "sponsor a vasectomy". The most racist thing we can do to the third world, is ignore it, and let them breed at unsustainable levels, while the globalist continue to exploit their endless supply of cheap labor. If $100 could pay for 50 vasectomies, i'd give that money in a heartbeat.

As third world populations start to stabilize, wages would start to go up, and their quality of life, and environment would improve.

I'd only have one condition, the vasectomy can only be performed after a fathers second child. We have to respect the dignity of a normal family size. I think that's an ethical compromise, that still encourages parenthood, at a reasonable level.

I would also refuse to pay a carbon tax to environmental scammers, until the agree to use that money to pay for ethical solutions to fight overpopulation. We shouldn't tolerate the hypocrisy.

Take this conversation to other forums. And sell the concept of "Ethical Depopulation" as a solution to the environment, climate change, and quality of life, for the world's citizens. Let's lobby for wide-scale vasectomies programs to be paid for by governments, and charities. Start a research pool, and get documentaries made. Demand that media cover this issue. Overpopulation is the number one cause of climate change, but their are ethical ways to slow it down. Do not compromise on political correctness, but be as ethical as possible.


Have you had a vasectomy?
15-12-2017 18:28
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What a great idea for stocking stuffers this Christmas! Vasectomy/lessadicktomy gift cards!

Robert, you're kind of a dumbass.
15-12-2017 18:33
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GasGuzzler wrote:
What a great idea for stocking stuffers this Christmas! Vasectomy/lessadicktomy gift cards!

Robert, you're kind of a dumbass.


Well, I have to say that I was rather shocked with that last statement of his. That comes straight from the Klu Klux Klan playbook. This was Margaret Sanger from the ground up.
15-12-2017 18:50
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Obamacare in jeopardy, states protect no-cost contraception, including vasectomy
http://edition.cnn.com/2017/01/20/health/states-protect-no-cost-contraception-and-vasectomy-aca/index.html

Historically, family planning has been covered in this country for a variety of reasons, according to Applegate. Primarily, it has been seen as a very cost-effective method of providing the public health benefit of fewer unintended pregnancies and fewer preterm babies.

15-12-2017 19:00
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monckton wrote:
Obamacare in jeopardy, states protect no-cost contraception, including vasectomy
http://edition.cnn.com/2017/01/20/health/states-protect-no-cost-contraception-and-vasectomy-aca/index.html

Historically, family planning has been covered in this country for a variety of reasons, according to Applegate. Primarily, it has been seen as a very cost-effective method of providing the public health benefit of fewer unintended pregnancies and fewer preterm babies.



Since only 8,000 people got free Obama-care how would 24,000 people be health compromised if Obama-care was repealed?

Obama-care WILL be repealed as every single doctor and hospital wants and the majority of this population.

And it would be a good idea if the stinking foreigners would keep their own systems and stay out of ours.
15-12-2017 19:07
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What are you doing on this stinking foreign forum?
Looks like you've wandered off the reservation.
15-12-2017 19:11
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Speaking of yankee-go-home ...

Syria – ISIS Is Defeated – The U.S. Is Next In Line
https://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2017/12/11/syria-isis-defeated-u-s-next-line/

..."My message to the US military command: when the battle against ISIS (the Islamic State group) will end, no American soldier will be tolerated in Syria. I advise you to leave by your own will or you will be forced to it."
15-12-2017 19:16
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monckton wrote:
Speaking of yankee-go-home ...

Syria – ISIS Is Defeated – The U.S. Is Next In Line
https://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2017/12/11/syria-isis-defeated-u-s-next-line/

..."My message to the US military command: when the battle against ISIS (the Islamic State group) will end, no American soldier will be tolerated in Syria. I advise you to leave by your own will or you will be forced to it."


Since the US will not allow in immigrants from Syria or Iraq now, Great Britain has been accepting them. They now have several thousands of ISIS members in Great Britain.

With any luck, monckton will be a victim of the next suicide bombing.
15-12-2017 19:24
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monckton wrote: What are you doing on this stinking foreign forum?
Correction(sp): the word is spelled 'steenkin'..... & more accurately, "old sick silly sleepy sleezy slimy slimebag steenkin' filthy vile reprobate rooting (& rotting) racist pukey proud pig AGW denier liar whinerisms" forum.
15-12-2017 19:28
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Well, at least they haven't been through basic training ...

"...The increased violence around Fort Carson began at the start of the Iraq war. A 126-page Army report known as an "Epidemiological Consultation" released in 2009 found that the murder rate around the Army's third-largest post had doubled and that the number of rape arrests had tripled. As David Philipps wrote in Lethal Warriors, his 2010 book about the crime spree, "In the year after the battalion returned from Iraq, the per-capita murder rate for this small group of soldiers was a hundred times greater than the national average."

War Is Hell, and the Hell Rubs Off
http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/medical_examiner/2014/04/ptsd_and_violence_by_veterans_increased_murder_rates_related_to_war_experience.html


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15-12-2017 19:30
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monckton wrote:
Well, at least they haven't been through basic training ...

"...The increased violence around Fort Carson began at the start of the Iraq war. A 126-page Army report known as an "Epidemiological Consultation" released in 2009 found that the murder rate around the Army's third-largest post had doubled and that the number of rape arrests had tripled. As David Philipps wrote in Lethal Warriors, his 2010 book about the crime spree, "In the year after the battalion returned from Iraq, the per-capita murder rate for this small group of soldiers was a hundred times greater than the national average."
War Is Hell, and the Hell Rubs Off
http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/medical_examiner/2014/04/ptsd_and_violence_by_veterans_increased_murder_rates_related_to_war_experience.html


Gee - wasn't that the Obama military?
15-12-2017 19:36
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I thought it was the American military.
Has Trump turned his back on the troops?
Shame.

They're already killing themselves quicker than the enemy.
Must be some ethical de-population initiative.
Go Troops!

Veterans Day: Suicide has caused more American casualties than wars in Iraq and Afghanistan
http://www.mercurynews.com/2015/11/10/veterans-day-suicide-has-caused-more-american-casualties-than-wars-in-iraq-and-afghanistan/
15-12-2017 19:39
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"old sick silly sleepy sleezy slimy slimebag steenkin' filthy vile reprobate rooting (& rotting) racist pukey proud pig AGW denier liar whiner & many time(plus 1) threatener wake-me-up" wiffed: With any luck, monckton will be a victim of the next suicide bombing.
"old sick silly sleepy sleezy slimy slimebag steenkin' filthy vile reprobate rooting (& rotting) racist pukey proud pig AGW denier liar whiner & many time (plus 1) threatener wake-me-up" wanted "luck" to be changed to first person "action" & its post IS another "threat".
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15-12-2017 20:50
Robertgreene3
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Ok guys lets tone it down for a minute, and share a few good songs. There's times to complain, and there is times to celebrate what's beautiful. Here's a great song about country roads.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXLa_ZwuxHg
Edited on 15-12-2017 20:59
15-12-2017 21:12
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monckton wrote:
I thought it was the American military.
Has Trump turned his back on the troops?
Shame.

They're already killing themselves quicker than the enemy.
Must be some ethical de-population initiative.
Go Troops!

Veterans Day: Suicide has caused more American casualties than wars in Iraq and Afghanistan
http://www.mercurynews.com/2015/11/10/veterans-day-suicide-has-caused-more-american-casualties-than-wars-in-iraq-and-afghanistan/


http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/armed-forces-suicide-every-2-7503692

When is the British Parliament going to get around to Brexit again? They really hear the British people loud and clear don't they?
15-12-2017 21:54
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Well you can expect more wars, as the world runs out of resources. Iraq was about oil. That's why overpopulation is a bad thing during resource depletion. All roads lead to overpopulation. Everything is connected to overpopulation, in one form or another, If you want to solve climate change, prevent deforestation, and prevent war, you have to do something to slow down out rapid population growth. When you begin to solve overpopulation, you being to solve every environmental problem. You don't just 2 birds with one stone, you kill the entire flock. Trying to contain the symptoms of overpopulation, is like playing a game of wack-a-mole. It's better to go after the root cause, than try and treat each symptom separately.

If you disagree, name one environmental problem, that doesn't get worse with rapid population growth?

https://blog.dssresearch.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/world_population_1050_to_2050.jpg
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15-12-2017 23:08
Into the Night
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Robertgreene3 wrote:
Well you can expect more wars, as the world runs out of resources.

The world isn't running out of resources.
Robertgreene3 wrote:
Iraq was about oil.

The war in Iraq was about Saddam Hussein, not oil. His invasion of Kuwait and later threats against his neighboring nations was about expanding his territory into what he viewed as 'old' Iraq. It was a religious war, more than anything else.

We already have oil. We use no Iraqi oil. We use no Mideast oil at all.

Kuwait already has oil. So does Iraq. It wasn't about oil.

Robertgreene3 wrote:
That's why overpopulation is a bad thing during resource depletion.

There is no overpopulation. there is no 'resource depletion'. Oil is a renewable resource. So is natural gas. So is water.
Robertgreene3 wrote:
All roads lead to overpopulation.

What overpopulation?
Robertgreene3 wrote:
Everything is connected to overpopulation, in one form or another,

Nothing is, because the world is not overpopulated.
Robertgreene3 wrote:
If you want to solve climate change,

Define 'climate change' without using circular definitions.
Robertgreene3 wrote:
prevent deforestation,

We have more forests than ever. The trees that Weyerhaeuser cuts down are farmed.
Robertgreene3 wrote:
and prevent war,

You want to prevent war? Remove every dictator and oligarchy from power. Get religion out of a reason for war. Allow free market for everyone. People generally don't shoot their customers.

Oops, to remove the dictators and oligarchies, you have to go to war. To convince a religion from using that excuse for war, you'll have to go to war.

Robertgreene3 wrote:
you have to do something to slow down out rapid population growth.

Why? Population growth means we have the means to grow. That's a bad thing?
Robertgreene3 wrote:
When you begin to solve overpopulation, you being to solve every environmental problem.

There is no overpopulation.
Robertgreene3 wrote:
You don't just 2 birds with one stone, you kill the entire flock.

I thought you said you didn't want war. Now you want to kill entire flocks of birds?
Robertgreene3 wrote:
Trying to contain the symptoms of overpopulation, is like playing a game of wack-a-mole.

What overpopulation?
Robertgreene3 wrote:
It's better to go after the root cause, than try and treat each symptom separately.

The root cause of what? YOUR idea of overpopulation? Who decides the world is suddenly overpopulated? You???
Robertgreene3 wrote:
If you disagree, name one environmental problem, that doesn't get worse with rapid population growth?

Chernobyl. Red tide. Smog.


The Parrot Killer
15-12-2017 23:45
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Without overpopulation, the demand for lumber and farmland would be marginable.

The severe deforestation in Borneo is caused by overpopulation. If the human species has become powerful enough to whip out most of the worlds rain forests, than there are too many people on the planet. That's how I define overpopulation.


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15-12-2017 23:51
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Robertgreene3 wrote:
Without overpopulation the demand for lumber and farmland would be marginable.

The deforestation in Borneo is caused by overpopulation.



There was NO WAY of telling the forestation of Borneo before Satellite imagery in the early 80's. Likewise guess as to what is going to happen are nothing more that guesses.

If you want to see what "predictions" came true look at this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_dates_predicted_for_apocalyptic_events
15-12-2017 23:52
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Wake wrote:
Robertgreene3 wrote:
Without overpopulation the demand for lumber and farmland would be marginable.

The deforestation in Borneo is caused by overpopulation.



There was NO WAY of telling the forestation of Borneo before Satellite imagery in the early 80's. Likewise guess as to what is going to happen are nothing more that guesses.

If you want to see what "predictions" came true look at this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_dates_predicted_for_apocalyptic_events


Heh. Well argued.


The Parrot Killer
15-12-2017 23:55
Robertgreene3
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There was NO WAY of telling the forestation of Borneo before Satellite imagery in the early 80's. Likewise guess as to what is going to happen are nothing more that guesses.

If you want to see what "predictions" came true look at this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_dates_predicted_for_apocalyptic_events


They had aerial photographs before the 1980's. They had ground photographs going back to the 19th century. The had written records going back centuries. You're telling me, that had no idea how big the forests of Borneo were before the 1980's. Maybe you can try a little harder.
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16-12-2017 00:06
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Robertgreene3 wrote:
Without overpopulation, the demand for lumber and farmland would be marginable.

The severe deforestation in Borneo is caused by overpopulation. If the human species has become powerful enough to whip out most of the worlds rain forests, than there are too many people on the planet. That's how I define overpopulation.



It is not caused by overpopulation. There isn't any overpopulation.

Borneo's forests were cut down by lumberers for the Japanese market...rather indiscriminately I might add. A major loss of these forests was also due to forest fire that was left to burn itself out naturally. They lumberers cut and don't plant, quite a different practice to that here in the United States and many other nations.

Borneo is not the 'worlds forests'. It is a tiny island. Mishandling of this resource is not caused by overpopulation. There is no overpopulation.

Hopefully, the government of Borneo will realize the loss of their forest to such indiscriminate uses, and install better protections for it.


The Parrot Killer
16-12-2017 00:20
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Borneo is not the 'worlds forests'. It is a tiny island. Mishandling of this resource is not caused by overpopulation. There is no overpopulation.


Borneo's area is 743,330 km2
Germany's area is 357,376 km²

Borneo is over twice the size of Germany. What gives you the right to call it a "Tiny Island"?
16-12-2017 00:30
Wake
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Robertgreene3 wrote:
There was NO WAY of telling the forestation of Borneo before Satellite imagery in the early 80's. Likewise guess as to what is going to happen are nothing more that guesses.

If you want to see what "predictions" came true look at this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_dates_predicted_for_apocalyptic_events


They had aerial photographs before the 1980's. They had ground photographs going back to the 19th century. The had written records going back centuries. You're telling me, that had no idea how big the forests of Borneo were before the 1980's. Maybe you can try a little harder.


Robert - who were these people flying aircraft over Borneo? Where were the airfields and who do you believe had aircraft? Even the Japanese didn't have aircraft there during the war because of conditions there and after the war the political unrest between the various warring factions prevented much about Borneo from being known by anyone but the native tribes.

Where in the hell are you getting the idea that the Earth is yours to toy with?
16-12-2017 00:46
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Robertgreene3 wrote:
Borneo is not the 'worlds forests'. It is a tiny island. Mishandling of this resource is not caused by overpopulation. There is no overpopulation.


Borneo's area is 743,330 km2
Germany's area is 357,376 km²

Borneo is over twice the size of Germany. What gives you the right to call it a "Tiny Island"?


The fact that it is only twice the size of Germany.


The Parrot Killer
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16-12-2017 00:55
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Wake wrote:
Robertgreene3 wrote:
There was NO WAY of telling the forestation of Borneo before Satellite imagery in the early 80's. Likewise guess as to what is going to happen are nothing more that guesses.

If you want to see what "predictions" came true look at this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_dates_predicted_for_apocalyptic_events


They had aerial photographs before the 1980's. They had ground photographs going back to the 19th century. The had written records going back centuries. You're telling me, that had no idea how big the forests of Borneo were before the 1980's. Maybe you can try a little harder.


Robert - who were these people flying aircraft over Borneo?

Us.
Wake wrote:
Where were the airfields

Kuching airfield. We also flew over the island to bomb the Japanese.
Wake wrote:
and who do you believe had aircraft?

The United States.
Wake wrote:
Even the Japanese didn't have aircraft there during the war because of conditions there and after the war the political unrest between the various warring factions prevented much about Borneo from being known by anyone but the native tribes.

There were aircraft based there in 1941. They had an oil refinery there. That's why we bombed it in 1943.
Wake wrote:
Where in the hell are you getting the idea that the Earth is yours to toy with?

He doesn't have that idea. I guess you haven't been listening to his arguments.

He has a fear of what he refers to as 'overpopulation' destroying the resources of Earth. He simply has a vague 'solution' that something about 'overpopulation' must be done (but no specific solution, since all of those are ethically incorrect).


The Parrot Killer
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16-12-2017 06:08
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Robertgreene3 wrote:
Ok guys lets tone it down for a minute, and share a few good songs. There's times to complain, and there is times to celebrate what's beautiful. Here's a great song about country roads.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXLa_ZwuxHg


OK ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pl3z4fDz8DQ


"Bring us your sick and tired, your educated ..."
16-12-2017 12:33
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He has a fear of what he refers to as 'overpopulation' destroying the resources of Earth. He simply has a vague 'solution' that something about 'overpopulation' must be done (but no specific solution, since all of those are ethically incorrect).


Let me ask you this. If you were a paid policy adviser, and you were asked to come up with solutions to deal with overpopulation, that are ethical, what solutions would you recommend?

I rather hear the difference of opinions on the solutions to overpopulation, than only debate on weather or not it exists. If you disagree with a wide-scale vasectomy method, what other ideas do you have, that could be ethical, and get meaningful results?

I want to see links, articles, ideas, and concepts, showing things that are actually being done to fight overpopulation in 2017.
Edited on 16-12-2017 13:05
16-12-2017 13:49
Robertgreene3
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Into the Night wrote:
Robertgreene3 wrote:
Borneo is not the 'worlds forests'. It is a tiny island. Mishandling of this resource is not caused by overpopulation. There is no overpopulation.


Borneo's area is 743,330 km2
Germany's area is 357,376 km²

Borneo is over twice the size of Germany. What gives you the right to call it a "Tiny Island"?


The fact that it is only twice the size of Germany.


Do you still consider the third largest island in the world a "Tiny Island"?

https://www.theworldorbust.com/the-five-largest-islands-in-the-world/
Edited on 16-12-2017 13:52
17-12-2017 01:26
Wake
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Robertgreene3 wrote:
He has a fear of what he refers to as 'overpopulation' destroying the resources of Earth. He simply has a vague 'solution' that something about 'overpopulation' must be done (but no specific solution, since all of those are ethically incorrect).


Let me ask you this. If you were a paid policy adviser, and you were asked to come up with solutions to deal with overpopulation, that are ethical, what solutions would you recommend?

I rather hear the difference of opinions on the solutions to overpopulation, than only debate on weather or not it exists. If you disagree with a wide-scale vasectomy method, what other ideas do you have, that could be ethical, and get meaningful results?

I want to see links, articles, ideas, and concepts, showing things that are actually being done to fight overpopulation in 2017.


Quite frankly I would advise taking you and all of the people like you and dipping them in lye.
17-12-2017 01:55
litesong
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[b]Robertgreene3 wrote:.... solutions to deal with overpopulation, that are ethical, what solutions would you recommend?
Increase wages securely to low & middle income workers who are the wealth builders of countries, such that they will be able to take care of themselves in old age. Birth rates will automatically come down.
17-12-2017 02:05
litesong
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"old sick silly sleepy sleezy slimy slimebag steenkin' filthy vile reprobate rooting (& rotting) racist pukey proud pig AGW denier liar whiner & many time (plus 1) threatener wake-me-up" wiffed: I would advise taking you and all of the people like you and dipping them in lye.
"old sick silly sleepy sleezy slimy slimebag steenkin' filthy vile reprobate rooting (& rotting) racist pukey proud pig AGW denier liar whiner & many time (plus 1) threatener wake-me-up" threatens again.
17-12-2017 20:39
Into the Night
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Robertgreene3 wrote:
He has a fear of what he refers to as 'overpopulation' destroying the resources of Earth. He simply has a vague 'solution' that something about 'overpopulation' must be done (but no specific solution, since all of those are ethically incorrect).


Let me ask you this. If you were a paid policy adviser, and you were asked to come up with solutions to deal with overpopulation, that are ethical, what solutions would you recommend?

I wouldn't. I would say the same thing I am telling you. There is no overpopulation.
Robertgreene3 wrote:
I rather hear the difference of opinions on the solutions to overpopulation, than only debate on weather or not it exists.

You would rather hear the debate on whether a candle represents one or two gods, rather than debate on whether it's worth lighting the candle at all.
Robertgreene3 wrote:
If you disagree with a wide-scale vasectomy method,

That's ethical???
Robertgreene3 wrote:
what other ideas do you have, that could be ethical, and get meaningful results?

There are no ethical ways. There is also no overpopulation.
Robertgreene3 wrote:
I want to see links, articles, ideas, and concepts, showing things that are actually being done to fight overpopulation in 2017.

Why? So you can find new ways to believe in this particular religion?


The Parrot Killer
17-12-2017 20:39
Into the Night
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Robertgreene3 wrote:
Into the Night wrote:
Robertgreene3 wrote:
Borneo is not the 'worlds forests'. It is a tiny island. Mishandling of this resource is not caused by overpopulation. There is no overpopulation.


Borneo's area is 743,330 km2
Germany's area is 357,376 km²

Borneo is over twice the size of Germany. What gives you the right to call it a "Tiny Island"?


The fact that it is only twice the size of Germany.


Do you still consider the third largest island in the world a "Tiny Island"?

https://www.theworldorbust.com/the-five-largest-islands-in-the-world/


Yes.


The Parrot Killer
17-12-2017 20:40
Into the Night
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Wake wrote:
Robertgreene3 wrote:
He has a fear of what he refers to as 'overpopulation' destroying the resources of Earth. He simply has a vague 'solution' that something about 'overpopulation' must be done (but no specific solution, since all of those are ethically incorrect).


Let me ask you this. If you were a paid policy adviser, and you were asked to come up with solutions to deal with overpopulation, that are ethical, what solutions would you recommend?

I rather hear the difference of opinions on the solutions to overpopulation, than only debate on weather or not it exists. If you disagree with a wide-scale vasectomy method, what other ideas do you have, that could be ethical, and get meaningful results?

I want to see links, articles, ideas, and concepts, showing things that are actually being done to fight overpopulation in 2017.


Quite frankly I would advise taking you and all of the people like you and dipping them in lye.


Why? Because they're clueless?

Your violent tendencies are showing up again.


The Parrot Killer
17-12-2017 20:41
Into the Night
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litesong wrote:
[b]Robertgreene3 wrote:.... solutions to deal with overpopulation, that are ethical, what solutions would you recommend?
Increase wages securely to low & middle income workers who are the wealth builders of countries, such that they will be able to take care of themselves in old age. Birth rates will automatically come down.


Wages are set by price discovery...the free market.

All price controls do is cause shortages. The minimum wage law is a good example.


The Parrot Killer
17-12-2017 23:48
Wake
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Into the Night wrote:
Wake wrote:
Robertgreene3 wrote:
He has a fear of what he refers to as 'overpopulation' destroying the resources of Earth. He simply has a vague 'solution' that something about 'overpopulation' must be done (but no specific solution, since all of those are ethically incorrect).


Let me ask you this. If you were a paid policy adviser, and you were asked to come up with solutions to deal with overpopulation, that are ethical, what solutions would you recommend?

I rather hear the difference of opinions on the solutions to overpopulation, than only debate on weather or not it exists. If you disagree with a wide-scale vasectomy method, what other ideas do you have, that could be ethical, and get meaningful results?

I want to see links, articles, ideas, and concepts, showing things that are actually being done to fight overpopulation in 2017.


Quite frankly I would advise taking you and all of the people like you and dipping them in lye.


Why? Because they're clueless?

Your violent tendencies are showing up again.


So YOU believe that people talking about depopulation of the world should be treated with kid gloves. Hitler and Stalin would have gotten along really well with you.
18-12-2017 00:37
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Boy, what a game of cards that would be.
Which poses an ethical dilemma.
If you could travel back in time and play cards with Hitler and Stalin ... would you cheat?
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