Covid19

keepit wrote:
Back to covid which is what this thread started as.
It could be that covid19 will require a vaccination every year like the flu.

Spongy Iris wrote:

Into the Night wrote:

Spongy Iris wrote:
The net worth of Trump is not publicly known. And he is known to lie about his net worth.

I'll just leave this paradox of yours for all to see.

More silly words games from The Parrot.

He has been caught lying about his "net worth.". You can't trust his publicly made financial statements regarding his "net worth." Just check with his creditors who he is known to have stiffed over and over.

Here's another paradox for you.

Donald Trump is so rich he doesn't have to pay his bills!

duncan61 wrote:
Where are you going spongy.Are you saying he has no capitol?.No comeback on the donate the salary thing?

Spongy Iris wrote:

duncan61 wrote:
Where are you going spongy.Are you saying he has no capitol?.No comeback on the donate the salary thing?

I think the cash he used to acquire properties from 2006 to 2014 was not his own.

You might try wondering if that cash was used as leverage against him for some purpose.

Feel free to continue believing Trump is an evangelical do-gooder because he donates his salary.

My impression of Donald Trump is that he bankrupts all the businesses he is in charge of.

Spongy Iris wrote:

gfm7175 wrote:

Spongy Iris wrote:

duncan61 wrote:
Where are you going spongy.Are you saying he has no capitol?.No comeback on the donate the salary thing?

I think the cash he used to acquire properties from 2006 to 2014 was not his own.

You might try wondering if that cash was used as leverage against him for some purpose.

Feel free to continue believing Trump is an evangelical do-gooder because he donates his salary.

My impression of Donald Trump is that he bankrupts all the businesses he is in charge of.

... except for all of his current businesses which are NOT bankrupt...

As Trump said himself, "USA will never go bankrupt because we can just print more money."

Gee looks like he finally found a job where there are no consequences for being irresponsible... He couldn't resist to express his delight...

Spongy Iris wrote:

HarveyH55 wrote:

Spongy Iris wrote:

duncan61 wrote:
Where are you going spongy.Are you saying he has no capitol?.No comeback on the donate the salary thing?

I think the cash he used to acquire properties from 2006 to 2014 was not his own.

You might try wondering if that cash was used as leverage against him for some purpose.

Feel free to continue believing Trump is an evangelical do-gooder because he donates his salary.

My impression of Donald Trump is that he bankrupts all the businesses he is in charge of.

Most people don't use their own money, to make large purchases. Most everything get financed. Do you pay cash, for a brand new car? How may people pay cash, when the by a home? A lot of people buy rental properties, with the intent to collect more in rent, than their mortgage and operating costs. Kind of rough, until the mortgage is paid, off. Lot of people use the equity to secure loans, to buy other rental properties... Instead of going to a bank for all of it, some bring in investors, or partners.

Bankruptcy isn't usually bad for everybody involved. There are over 20 different types of bankruptcy. Most, are just restructuring the terms. Some people use bankruptcy, as a business tool. The courts provide protections, while the case is reviewed and resolved, sort of a pause button. I don't know much about Trump's business dealings, but he plays by the rules, sometimes nasty, and unethical, but not criminal.

Harvey thanks for the lecture on finance and bankruptcy, but my point was he didn't appear to have anyone financing his acquisitions from 2006 to 2014 because he paid cash.

Reporters familiar with his cash flow from operations say there's no way he had enough cash on hand to make those acquisitions without financing.

He said he had the cash on hand but Trump is known to lie about his financial position.
So you might want to consider his source of financing from 2006 to 2014 to be an unsolved mystery.

Now here is just a bit of dirt on The Taj Mahal.

In February 2015, the U.S. Department of the Treasury's Financial Crimes Enforcement Network settled an investigation of Trump Taj Mahal with the assessment of a $10 million civil fine for "significant and long-standing money laundering violations" which were described as "willful and repeated" contraventions of the record-keeping and reporting requirements of the Bank Secrecy Act. It was the highest penalty ever levied by the feds against a casino.

The casino agreed to periodic external audits to comply with anti-money laundering statutes, and admitted to multiple violations as part of its settlement. The U.S. Treasury made note of casino violations dating back to 1998, when Trump Taj Mahal paid a $477,700 fine for violating currency transaction requirements, as well as violations in 2003, 2010, and in 2012, for which the company was "repeatedly warned". Trump Taj Mahal was "far from meeting" standards required to protect the U.S. financial system "from exploitation from criminals, terrorists, and other bad actors", the Treasury said in a press release.

Spongy Iris wrote:
"A financial disclosure Donald Trump filed showed 170 assets or businesses and how much revenue each produced from the start of 2014 through July 15, 2015. The Wall Street Journal estimated these will produce

$160 million of pretax income for him this year

By 2014, Trump was seen by lenders as a high-risk bet because he had so many bankruptcies and so few successful projects. But, if he had used the

$300 million he spent on Scottish golf courses

as a pledge, he could have surely received several hundred million in loans at a competitive rate. With, say, a billion dollars total, he could have invested in projects around the world. Instead, he chose to put nearly all of his available cash in an old, underperforming course in a remote corner of Scotland.

The clubs—one at Turnberry, located outside Glasgow, and one in Aberdeenshire, situated on a remote stretch of coastline along the North Sea—have been a main focus of the Trump Organization over the past decade. Trump has poured more money into these properties than any other part of his business. Yet neither club has ever turned a profit.

Trump has been lending himself cash for these golf courses. And he has dramatically overvalued the courses.

Every year, Trump lends millions to himself, spends all that money on something, and claims the asset is worth all the money he spent.

He cannot have spent all that money on the properties. We have the planning docs. We know how much he spent--it's far less than what he claims.

The money truly disappears. It goes from one pocket to another pocket and then the pocket is opened to reveal nothing is there.

To that end, members of Scottish parliament have been pushing to probe Trump's golf clubs using a statute typically aimed at kleptocrats."

duncan61 wrote:
Spongy I have read your latest post 3 times now.Are you giving advice on how to do it or claiming somethings wrong.It all sounds like what I would do given the opportunity.Example.I am a plumbing contractor yet run a business culling Kangaroos.My total income is derived from both sources so I can claim all the hunting expenses against my plumbing work and its all legit as long as I sell one kangaroo

keepit wrote:
Back to covid which is what this thread started as.
It could be that covid19 will require a vaccination every year like the flu.

Into the Night wrote:

keepit wrote:
Back to covid which is what this thread started as.
It could be that covid19 will require a vaccination every year like the flu.

Nah. Only 3% of the population was ever infected (if you believe the CDC numbers).

James___ wrote:
It seems that doctors at Columbia University have developed a nasal spray that prevents infection for 24 hours. If it proves out, will it be fee market enterprise? is., They can charge what they want?
In reality, the government has no right to prevent them from profiting from their discovery. This would be an opportunity for the US to show the world it's commitment to capitalism. After all, if people or countries with socialized healthcare can't afford it, then should they be allowed to have access to it?
The US won't go there because then the rest of the world would be critical of the US for excessively profiting from healthcare which it already does.

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/nasal-spray-prevents-covid-19-infections-204611720.html

James___ wrote:
And then there's this, https://finance.yahoo.com/news/pfizer-biontech-covid-19-vaccine-114500360.html. It seems that Phizer and it's German partner may have realized an effective vaccine. They say it's about 90% effective.

James___ wrote:
The FDA has used emergency action to allow a new Covid 19 medicine to be used. The hope is that with earlier treatment, hospitalization won't be necessary. This will most likely be very closely watched. This is because any deaths might require the FDA to halt its use.

HarveyH55 wrote:
I opt out of following guidelines, often as possible. Work with a lot of people, and I have even caught a cold. We get very few. Only one since October. I'm just not hearing about family, friends, or neighbors, with any personal stories of Covid. For a deadly, fast spreading virus, there should be something close to home. I'd rather just catch it, and be done with it. Still looks like another 2-3 of this garbage.

We have 2 vaccines ready for approval. Sort of sketchy though. One claims to be 90% effective, the other was 95.3%. That's amazingly high, and these were rush jobs.

HarveyH55 wrote:

Into the Night wrote:

keepit wrote:
Back to covid which is what this thread started as.
It could be that covid19 will require a vaccination every year like the flu.

Nah. Only 3% of the population was ever infected (if you believe the CDC numbers).

That's just 3% have tested positive... Considering the 'test', involves having a long Q-Tip, shoved way up into your nasal cavity, almost giving you a free lobotomy... It's pretty much assured, that many people don't get tested. If you already have symptoms, getting tested isn't going to help treat them. I'm hoping the actual number is a lot higher, shooting for herd immunity.

Really can't believe they are still pushing the mask mandate crap. Masks are cause problems of their own, some are pretty serious too. Mask acne is real, and not pretty. Sinus infections are real, and didn't sound like a fun thing to deal with. Masks are a perfect breeding ground for bacteria. Most people aren't disposing of masks often enough, nor are they sanitizing their cloth masks.

Into the Night wrote:

HarveyH55 wrote:

Into the Night wrote:

keepit wrote:
Back to covid which is what this thread started as.
It could be that covid19 will require a vaccination every year like the flu.

Nah. Only 3% of the population was ever infected (if you believe the CDC numbers).

That's just 3% have tested positive... Considering the 'test', involves having a long Q-Tip, shoved way up into your nasal cavity, almost giving you a free lobotomy... It's pretty much assured, that many people don't get tested. If you already have symptoms, getting tested isn't going to help treat them. I'm hoping the actual number is a lot higher, shooting for herd immunity.

Really can't believe they are still pushing the mask mandate crap. Masks are cause problems of their own, some are pretty serious too. Mask acne is real, and not pretty. Sinus infections are real, and didn't sound like a fun thing to deal with. Masks are a perfect breeding ground for bacteria. Most people aren't disposing of masks often enough, nor are they sanitizing their cloth masks.

It's not even that. It's just made up numbers. These numbers are manufactured by various States and submitted to the CDC, which records them without questioning any of them.

Remember, there is money in manufacturing such data.

HarveyH55 wrote:

Into the Night wrote:

HarveyH55 wrote:

Into the Night wrote:

keepit wrote:
Back to covid which is what this thread started as.
It could be that covid19 will require a vaccination every year like the flu.

Nah. Only 3% of the population was ever infected (if you believe the CDC numbers).

That's just 3% have tested positive... Considering the 'test', involves having a long Q-Tip, shoved way up into your nasal cavity, almost giving you a free lobotomy... It's pretty much assured, that many people don't get tested. If you already have symptoms, getting tested isn't going to help treat them. I'm hoping the actual number is a lot higher, shooting for herd immunity.

Really can't believe they are still pushing the mask mandate crap. Masks are cause problems of their own, some are pretty serious too. Mask acne is real, and not pretty. Sinus infections are real, and didn't sound like a fun thing to deal with. Masks are a perfect breeding ground for bacteria. Most people aren't disposing of masks often enough, nor are they sanitizing their cloth masks.

It's not even that. It's just made up numbers. These numbers are manufactured by various States and submitted to the CDC, which records them without questioning any of them.

Remember, there is money in manufacturing such data.

It's sort of like a sport. The state with the highest score, gets the most federal attention (emergency relief). So far, the Senate has kept those funds, which states would be able to waste, as they will, to a minimum. Nancy, would rather starve millions to death, than give up trying to pass the larger spending, that can be used anyway a winning state chooses. It probably would be worth it for many, if it was one-time prize. But, she keeps push for the endless spending thing, and would always be available, even after the virus, and pretty easy for states to get bail-out bucks, anytime. Socks, because the are millions of people hurting financially.

Into the Night wrote:

HarveyH55 wrote:

Into the Night wrote:

HarveyH55 wrote:

Into the Night wrote:

keepit wrote:
Back to covid which is what this thread started as.
It could be that covid19 will require a vaccination every year like the flu.

Nah. Only 3% of the population was ever infected (if you believe the CDC numbers).

That's just 3% have tested positive... Considering the 'test', involves having a long Q-Tip, shoved way up into your nasal cavity, almost giving you a free lobotomy... It's pretty much assured, that many people don't get tested. If you already have symptoms, getting tested isn't going to help treat them. I'm hoping the actual number is a lot higher, shooting for herd immunity.

Really can't believe they are still pushing the mask mandate crap. Masks are cause problems of their own, some are pretty serious too. Mask acne is real, and not pretty. Sinus infections are real, and didn't sound like a fun thing to deal with. Masks are a perfect breeding ground for bacteria. Most people aren't disposing of masks often enough, nor are they sanitizing their cloth masks.

It's not even that. It's just made up numbers. These numbers are manufactured by various States and submitted to the CDC, which records them without questioning any of them.

Remember, there is money in manufacturing such data.

It's sort of like a sport. The state with the highest score, gets the most federal attention (emergency relief). So far, the Senate has kept those funds, which states would be able to waste, as they will, to a minimum. Nancy, would rather starve millions to death, than give up trying to pass the larger spending, that can be used anyway a winning state chooses. It probably would be worth it for many, if it was one-time prize. But, she keeps push for the endless spending thing, and would always be available, even after the virus, and pretty easy for states to get bail-out bucks, anytime. Socks, because the are millions of people hurting financially.

States already get Covid19 funding. You don't. That's what Pelosi has decided.

HarveyH55 wrote:

Into the Night wrote:

HarveyH55 wrote:

Into the Night wrote:

HarveyH55 wrote:

Into the Night wrote:

keepit wrote:
Back to covid which is what this thread started as.
It could be that covid19 will require a vaccination every year like the flu.

Nah. Only 3% of the population was ever infected (if you believe the CDC numbers).

That's just 3% have tested positive... Considering the 'test', involves having a long Q-Tip, shoved way up into your nasal cavity, almost giving you a free lobotomy... It's pretty much assured, that many people don't get tested. If you already have symptoms, getting tested isn't going to help treat them. I'm hoping the actual number is a lot higher, shooting for herd immunity.

Really can't believe they are still pushing the mask mandate crap. Masks are cause problems of their own, some are pretty serious too. Mask acne is real, and not pretty. Sinus infections are real, and didn't sound like a fun thing to deal with. Masks are a perfect breeding ground for bacteria. Most people aren't disposing of masks often enough, nor are they sanitizing their cloth masks.

It's not even that. It's just made up numbers. These numbers are manufactured by various States and submitted to the CDC, which records them without questioning any of them.

Remember, there is money in manufacturing such data.

It's sort of like a sport. The state with the highest score, gets the most federal attention (emergency relief). So far, the Senate has kept those funds, which states would be able to waste, as they will, to a minimum. Nancy, would rather starve millions to death, than give up trying to pass the larger spending, that can be used anyway a winning state chooses. It probably would be worth it for many, if it was one-time prize. But, she keeps push for the endless spending thing, and would always be available, even after the virus, and pretty easy for states to get bail-out bucks, anytime. Socks, because the are millions of people hurting financially.

States already get Covid19 funding. You don't. That's what Pelosi has decided.

True all states get covid funds, but they have to be spent in very specific ways. Nancy wants to make a lot of funds available to states, which can be used pretty much anyway the see fit. Like bailout overly generous pension plans...

Into the Night wrote:

HarveyH55 wrote:

Into the Night wrote:

HarveyH55 wrote:

Into the Night wrote:

HarveyH55 wrote:

Into the Night wrote:

keepit wrote:
Back to covid which is what this thread started as.
It could be that covid19 will require a vaccination every year like the flu.

Nah. Only 3% of the population was ever infected (if you believe the CDC numbers).

That's just 3% have tested positive... Considering the 'test', involves having a long Q-Tip, shoved way up into your nasal cavity, almost giving you a free lobotomy... It's pretty much assured, that many people don't get tested. If you already have symptoms, getting tested isn't going to help treat them. I'm hoping the actual number is a lot higher, shooting for herd immunity.

Really can't believe they are still pushing the mask mandate crap. Masks are cause problems of their own, some are pretty serious too. Mask acne is real, and not pretty. Sinus infections are real, and didn't sound like a fun thing to deal with. Masks are a perfect breeding ground for bacteria. Most people aren't disposing of masks often enough, nor are they sanitizing their cloth masks.

It's not even that. It's just made up numbers. These numbers are manufactured by various States and submitted to the CDC, which records them without questioning any of them.

Remember, there is money in manufacturing such data.

It's sort of like a sport. The state with the highest score, gets the most federal attention (emergency relief). So far, the Senate has kept those funds, which states would be able to waste, as they will, to a minimum. Nancy, would rather starve millions to death, than give up trying to pass the larger spending, that can be used anyway a winning state chooses. It probably would be worth it for many, if it was one-time prize. But, she keeps push for the endless spending thing, and would always be available, even after the virus, and pretty easy for states to get bail-out bucks, anytime. Socks, because the are millions of people hurting financially.

States already get Covid19 funding. You don't. That's what Pelosi has decided.

True all states get covid funds, but they have to be spent in very specific ways. Nancy wants to make a lot of funds available to states, which can be used pretty much anyway the see fit. Like bailout overly generous pension plans...

States can already use the funds for pretty much the way they see fit. These are not pension plans. Pelosi doesn't care about the actual people, only government.

HarveyH55 wrote:

Into the Night wrote:

HarveyH55 wrote:

Into the Night wrote:

HarveyH55 wrote:

Into the Night wrote:

HarveyH55 wrote:

Into the Night wrote:

keepit wrote:
Back to covid which is what this thread started as.
It could be that covid19 will require a vaccination every year like the flu.

Nah. Only 3% of the population was ever infected (if you believe the CDC numbers).

That's just 3% have tested positive... Considering the 'test', involves having a long Q-Tip, shoved way up into your nasal cavity, almost giving you a free lobotomy... It's pretty much assured, that many people don't get tested. If you already have symptoms, getting tested isn't going to help treat them. I'm hoping the actual number is a lot higher, shooting for herd immunity.

Really can't believe they are still pushing the mask mandate crap. Masks are cause problems of their own, some are pretty serious too. Mask acne is real, and not pretty. Sinus infections are real, and didn't sound like a fun thing to deal with. Masks are a perfect breeding ground for bacteria. Most people aren't disposing of masks often enough, nor are they sanitizing their cloth masks.

It's not even that. It's just made up numbers. These numbers are manufactured by various States and submitted to the CDC, which records them without questioning any of them.

Remember, there is money in manufacturing such data.

It's sort of like a sport. The state with the highest score, gets the most federal attention (emergency relief). So far, the Senate has kept those funds, which states would be able to waste, as they will, to a minimum. Nancy, would rather starve millions to death, than give up trying to pass the larger spending, that can be used anyway a winning state chooses. It probably would be worth it for many, if it was one-time prize. But, she keeps push for the endless spending thing, and would always be available, even after the virus, and pretty easy for states to get bail-out bucks, anytime. Socks, because the are millions of people hurting financially.

States already get Covid19 funding. You don't. That's what Pelosi has decided.

True all states get covid funds, but they have to be spent in very specific ways. Nancy wants to make a lot of funds available to states, which can be used pretty much anyway the see fit. Like bailout overly generous pension plans...

States can already use the funds for pretty much the way they see fit. These are not pension plans. Pelosi doesn't care about the actual people, only government.

Emergency covid money, still needs spent on covid related stuff. SPECIFICALLY USED THE WORD B-A-I-L-O-U-T. But, of course, you're just looking to argue, for the sake of arguing, and I'll leave to play, by yourself.