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Why fight climate change? Isn't it natures way of limiting population?


Why fight climate change? Isn't it natures way of limiting population?23-10-2018 02:51
Diesel burner
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So I'm sure this isn't a popular point of view but global warming is a good thing because there are way too many people on earth to be sustainable and mother nature is going to fix that. Why try and stop her?

I'm not just a troll,
seriously humans are not going to stop breeding till there is mass starvation and even then they won't stop.
24-10-2018 10:18
Tim the plumber
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Diesel burner wrote:
So I'm sure this isn't a popular point of view but global warming is a good thing because there are way too many people on earth to be sustainable and mother nature is going to fix that. Why try and stop her?

I'm not just a troll,
seriously humans are not going to stop breeding till there is mass starvation and even then they won't stop.


There is no real problem with over population. This is an evil myth.

The degree to which humans can grow food increases with the level of wealth of the population concearned. That is we can grow enough food in the UK for the population it has. That is a staggering amount of food, enough for the 60+ million people here given that pre-industrial population of less than 10% of that often starved.

More humans on the planet means more humans to trade with. The richer they all are the better for you as they will want to buy your stuff, whatever it is you do to make your living. And the cheaper the stuff you want will be because of the drop in price when things are mass produced. Be they goods such as coffee cups or services such as telecommunications.
24-10-2018 17:53
Into the Night
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Tim the plumber wrote:
Diesel burner wrote:
So I'm sure this isn't a popular point of view but global warming is a good thing because there are way too many people on earth to be sustainable and mother nature is going to fix that. Why try and stop her?

I'm not just a troll,
seriously humans are not going to stop breeding till there is mass starvation and even then they won't stop.


There is no real problem with over population. This is an evil myth.

The degree to which humans can grow food increases with the level of wealth of the population concearned. That is we can grow enough food in the UK for the population it has. That is a staggering amount of food, enough for the 60+ million people here given that pre-industrial population of less than 10% of that often starved.

More humans on the planet means more humans to trade with. The richer they all are the better for you as they will want to buy your stuff, whatever it is you do to make your living. And the cheaper the stuff you want will be because of the drop in price when things are mass produced. Be they goods such as coffee cups or services such as telecommunications.


Absolutely correct. Humans are assets too, not just liabilities.


The Parrot Killer
25-10-2018 08:58
noutopia
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Overpopulation causes many problems, easier for diseases to spread, causes huge amounts of stress and conflict, lowers wages, decimates environments, the Earth is not ours we share it with many other species, which we are now causing the mass extinction of, just because you can have billions of Humans doesn't mean you should.
25-10-2018 09:01
noutopia
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"Humans are a plague on the Earth" to quote David Attenborough.
25-10-2018 17:27
Into the Night
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noutopia wrote:
Overpopulation causes many problems, easier for diseases to spread, causes huge amounts of stress and conflict, lowers wages, decimates environments, the Earth is not ours we share it with many other species, which we are now causing the mass extinction of, just because you can have billions of Humans doesn't mean you should.


Want to reduce the human population? You first.


The Parrot Killer
25-10-2018 19:40
Tim the plumber
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noutopia wrote:
Overpopulation causes many problems, easier for diseases to spread, causes huge amounts of stress and conflict, lowers wages, decimates environments, the Earth is not ours we share it with many other species, which we are now causing the mass extinction of, just because you can have billions of Humans doesn't mean you should.


Then we can get rid of those who are traitors to humanity.

Criteria sould include holding beliefs which have no real justification about killing vast numbers of humans.

You fit the bill.

This drivel you spout is evil and 100% wrong.

There have been far less mass disease outbreaks in the last 50 years than ever. those which have happened, Ebola, SARS, AIDs etc have been contained and dealt with extremely effectively. They have not rocked the boat at all for the rich world.

This is down to us being in a position of having so much wealth we can afford to have specialialist disease control infrastructure, planning, research, responce and all the rest. This is a product of number of humans x wealth of those humans. More humans more capacity to do all the good stuff.

**** off with your evil crap.
26-10-2018 14:59
noutopia
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Never heard that one before.
26-10-2018 15:08
noutopia
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So anyone who doesn't agree with you Tim the Plumber should be killed? the nice side of Humanity.
26-10-2018 15:22
noutopia
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So on your theory Tim the Plumber 20 billion population better than 10 billion, 50 billion better than 20 billion and 100 billion better than 50 billion on and on, and it just gets better and better.
26-10-2018 17:00
spot
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You two deserve each other xx
26-10-2018 17:57
Tim the plumber
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noutopia wrote:
So anyone who doesn't agree with you Tim the Plumber should be killed? the nice side of Humanity.


Certainly not.

But those who come out with means far worse than any idea of Nazism or communism should be challenged.

In a reasonable world where people were more responsible for their speach you should at least be legally cautioned.

Persisting in spreading such vile lies should result in inprisonment.

I would like to see a law that said that lying and calling it science is a crime.

Whilst you have not claimed that you have any science to support your views I'm sure you wanted people to think there is.
26-10-2018 18:03
Tim the plumber
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noutopia wrote:
So on your theory Tim the Plumber 20 billion population better than 10 billion, 50 billion better than 20 billion and 100 billion better than 50 billion on and on, and it just gets better and better.


If you have the wealth capacity to deal with those levels of human population then yes.

Very soon, next few decades, humanity will being the process of capturing asteroids. Initially these will be used for extractive industry. The best place to mine gold and all other heavy elements and such stuff as carbon as well.

Quickly they will also become the best place for heavy industry.

Then there will be the process of building heavens. A 3km long asteroid, medium sized, can be remade into a city as big as all the urban land in the world. Multi level habitation of orbital habitats will allow a massive increase in effectove living space.

This will continue. Billions of people can live in extreme luxury and security in such artifical heavens.

The earth can become a parkland we cherrish. We will still need it but as a resevoir of biodiversity and nature. Also our spiritual home.
26-10-2018 21:05
noutopia
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So you equate saying people should have smaller families with what the Nazis did, that's pretty extreme, and you don't consider Humans have had any effect on other species numbers? Vile lies as you put it.
27-10-2018 11:07
Tim the plumber
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noutopia wrote:
So you equate saying people should have smaller families with what the Nazis did, that's pretty extreme, and you don't consider Humans have had any effect on other species numbers? Vile lies as you put it.


Having smaller families is not what you advocate by saying that humanity is over populated.

That you have retreated very quickly is good. it means that the idea that humanity should reduce it's population has gone away in your head the moment it was challenged assertively.

Well done. You can think for yourself. That is unusual.

Then again when socities get rich they don't have big families.
27-10-2018 12:30
noutopia
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I haven't retreated at all, I still say we have over population, it matters little now because climate change will likely reduce populations and not in a nice way, and you failed to address our impact on other species, do you not know we are in a Human caused mass extinction of species?
27-10-2018 14:57
Tim the plumber
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noutopia wrote:
I haven't retreated at all, I still say we have over population, it matters little now because climate change will likely reduce populations and not in a nice way, and you failed to address our impact on other species, do you not know we are in a Human caused mass extinction of species?


We have done almost all the extincitions of large animals already. This we did before we even began agriculture.

Some more are vulnerable in Africa. We, at least the rich world is addressing this issue. Hopefully we will be able to save the vast majority.

Not clearing land for sugar for biofuel would help a lot.

Island species are dying out very quickly as the interconnedness of the world means nowhere is safe from invaisive species.

How do you think a slightly warmer world will kill anybody?
27-10-2018 16:16
noutopia
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http://www.poachingfacts.com/ In a richer world,
A warmer world, more heatwaves, droughts, floods, crop failures, stronger hurricanes and typhoons, famines, do not all these kill people?.
27-10-2018 17:02
GasGuzzler
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I've been away for a week and haven't caught up on reading, but I saw this drivel again and had to respond...


noutopia wrote:

A warmer world, more heatwaves,

Better than a cold snap. Cold kills far more people.
droughts, floods,

Which is it? Can't have it both ways.
crop failures
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We are producing more grain PER ACRE AND IT INCREASES EVERY YEAR.
stronger hurricanes and typhoons,

This keeps getting repeated as scripture, but it just isn't true. Not even the beloved IPCC supports this claim.
famines,

As I pointed out, grain productions is booming. Poor governing is the cause of starvation in most cases. We have starving people across the world and our grain bins are overflowing in the US. Can't find uses for all the grain.
do not all these kill people?.

Yup, but has nothing to do with temperatures.
27-10-2018 17:26
Tim the plumber
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noutopia wrote:
http://www.poachingfacts.com/ In a richer world,
A warmer world, more heatwaves, droughts, floods, crop failures, stronger hurricanes and typhoons, famines, do not all these kill people?.


Choose one of those and we can look at it to see if there is actually a problem.

You will find, if you are open minded and skeptical, of me as well, that all such problems vanish to nothing much at all when examined.
27-10-2018 19:12
Into the Night
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noutopia wrote:
In a richer world,
A warmer world, more heatwaves, droughts, floods, crop failures, stronger hurricanes and typhoons, famines, do not all these kill people?.


What warmer world? Heatwaves, droughts, and floods are normal weather. Crops fail sometimes. That's as old as farming. Hurricanes are not stronger or more frequent (see National Hurricane Center historic data). A typhoon is just another name for a hurricane. Famines are mostly caused by war and politics.

Your basic argument is that the Earth is warming. We don't know. It is not possible to measure the temperature of the Earth.

Your basic argument is based on CO2 and other 'holy' gasses. No gas or vapor is capable of warming the Earth using surface infrared. That just violates the laws of thermodynamics and the Stefan-Boltzmann law.


The Parrot Killer
29-10-2018 20:26
James___
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..This documentary shows some of the effects of allowing for a growing population.
https://youtu.be/pw6k0QBTYb4
30-10-2018 10:19
Tim the plumber
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2LyzBoHo5EI

Why the world population will not reach 11 billion.
Edited on 30-10-2018 10:19
31-10-2018 23:28
Wake
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noutopia wrote:
Overpopulation causes many problems, easier for diseases to spread, causes huge amounts of stress and conflict, lowers wages, decimates environments, the Earth is not ours we share it with many other species, which we are now causing the mass extinction of, just because you can have billions of Humans doesn't mean you should.


Then explain why past epidemics no longer exist? Large populations usually allow large businesses to grow which causes increased wages and not lower. Increased hygiene rather than decrease as your comment about pollution suggests. Indeed it does cause increased stress but man is highly adaptable and easily handles it. Note that we don't have anything other than bushfire wars instead of world wars.

We already HAVE 7 billion people on this planet and it is virtually impossible to stop that sort of growth until you make people rich and healthy enough to have food and little to no need of medical care. But the world has reached that spot. over 85% of the world's 1 year old babies have been vaccinated for the most common diseases. Hunger in the last century has dropped from one in three to one in nine.

Do you realize that the largest and fastest growing diseases in the world today are from NOT EXERCISING??

The world is becoming heaven without the angels and harps. And don't let social media and the leftists tell you any different. The statistics are clear and even with the media telling you that you should be frightened and angry all the time were you the age you are 150 years ago you would have an expected lifespan of 3 years less.

Time to make more people in the world aware of this.




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