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Pre-COP15 negotiations16-11-2009 17:41
branner Administrator☆☆☆☆☆ (34)	Let's use this thread to post updates and comments to the international climate negotiations leading up to COP15. The conference in Barcelona didn't seem to bring much progress. Now the official UNFCCC-talks before Copenhagen have ended. But are there any other major events to pay attention to in the next weeks, which could influence the course of negotiations? Or was the APEC meeting last week actually the deciding and final event? Feel free to post any comments...
06-12-2009 00:54
Chance ☆☆☆☆☆ (1)	Obama is comming to Copenhagen! Maybe he will bring a big surprise. Who knows? Looking forward...
21-04-2023 19:48
IBdaMann★★★★★ (14414)	branner wrote:Let's use this thread to post updates and comments to the international climate negotiations leading up to COP15. The conference in Barcelona didn't seem to bring much progress. Now the official UNFCCC-talks before Copenhagen have ended. But are there any other major events to pay attention to in the next weeks, which could influence the course of negotiations? Or was the APEC meeting last week actually the deciding and final event? Feel free to post any comments... This appears to be the oldest thread on this site, created 16 November 2009 by our host, Branner. He was hoping this thread would serve as a repository for updates and progress made in the Climate "negotiations." Unfortunately only one other post was tacked on just over two weeks later, on 5 December 2009, beaming with excitement over Obama's imminent arrival in Copenhagen. With 20/20 hindsight, there wasn't going to be any progress for this thread to serve as any sort of repository. We know that Global Warming and Climate Change are just WACKY religions based on HATRED and intolerance, and that there is no such thing as a global climate for which any "progress" can be made. I figured we could pay our last respects as we give this blast from the past and the oldest thread on this site, a proper burial. If anybody has anything he would like to say concerning the deceased, the floor is yours.
RE: a proper burial08-11-2023 19:06
Im a BM ★★★☆☆ (595)	IBdaMann wrote: branner wrote:Let's use this thread to post updates and comments to the international climate negotiations leading up to COP15. The conference in Barcelona didn't seem to bring much progress. Now the official UNFCCC-talks before Copenhagen have ended. But are there any other major events to pay attention to in the next weeks, which could influence the course of negotiations? Or was the APEC meeting last week actually the deciding and final event? Feel free to post any comments... This appears to be the oldest thread on this site, created 16 November 2009 by our host, Branner. He was hoping this thread would serve as a repository for updates and progress made in the Climate "negotiations." Unfortunately only one other post was tacked on just over two weeks later, on 5 December 2009, beaming with excitement over Obama's imminent arrival in Copenhagen. With 20/20 hindsight, there wasn't going to be any progress for this thread to serve as any sort of repository. We know that Global Warming and Climate Change are just WACKY religions based on HATRED and intolerance, and that there is no such thing as a global climate for which any "progress" can be made. I figured we could pay our last respects as we give this blast from the past and the oldest thread on this site, a proper burial. If anybody has anything he would like to say concerning the deceased, the floor is yours. "We know that Global Warming and Climate Change are just WACKY religions based on HATRED and intolerance." Yes, everybody knows that.
08-11-2023 20:09
HarveyH55★★★★★ (5197)	I still don't get it. This is mankind's first observable inter-glacial. All the global-warming/climate-change crap is based on speculation, guesswork, and holy computer models. We won't actually know how an inter-glacial progresses, until it happens. From the hockey-stick graphs, the planet has been warming, long as there have been thermometers. Unlikely we we have even reach peak-thawing (still a few glaciers, that have revealed their moraine). I live in the tropics, and 'warmer' hasn't been all that bad. Has been a little chilly past couple weeks. Got down to the low 70s a few times. Almost had to dig out some long pants. Lets be realistic. Climate change has been marketing a lot of hype, hysteria, doom and gloom. A talk, but no real change. Weather still jumps randomly, from mild, to occasionally wild. We really haven't made much change in burning fossil-fuels. CO2 levels continue to rise... Whole lot of talk, and no results.

RE: COP28 begins November 3010-11-2023 18:05
Im a BM ★★★☆☆ (595)	branner wrote: Let's use this thread to post updates and comments to the international climate negotiations leading up to COP15. The conference in Barcelona didn't seem to bring much progress. Now the official UNFCCC-talks before Copenhagen have ended. But are there any other major events to pay attention to in the next weeks, which could influence the course of negotiations? Or was the APEC meeting last week actually the deciding and final event? Feel free to post any comments... Fourteen years ago, Branner posted this in anticipation of the COP15 meeting. On November 30, the COP28 meeting. It occurs precisely as the "Earth posts hottest 12 months on record". It has probably been about 125,000 years since the last time it was this warm. This isn't a theoretical model of something that might happen someday. It can't be made to go away by insisting that it is not theoretically possible.
10-11-2023 18:20
IBdaMann★★★★★ (14414)	Im a BM wrote: On November 30, the COP28 meeting. It occurs precisely as the "Earth posts hottest 12 months on record". We know you are gullible. You will believe anything your religious clergy tells you. Im a BM wrote: It has probably been about 125,000 years since the last time it was this warm. How was this probability established and how was the temperature determined? Im a BM wrote: This isn't a theoretical model of something that might happen someday. It's a religious prophesy. Im a BM wrote: It can't be made to go away by insisting that it is not theoretically possible. Nothing that doesn't exist in the first place can be made to go away.
11-11-2023 00:07
HarveyH55★★★★★ (5197)	Im a BM wrote: branner wrote: Let's use this thread to post updates and comments to the international climate negotiations leading up to COP15. The conference in Barcelona didn't seem to bring much progress. Now the official UNFCCC-talks before Copenhagen have ended. But are there any other major events to pay attention to in the next weeks, which could influence the course of negotiations? Or was the APEC meeting last week actually the deciding and final event? Feel free to post any comments... Fourteen years ago, Branner posted this in anticipation of the COP15 meeting. On November 30, the COP28 meeting. It occurs precisely as the "Earth posts hottest 12 months on record". It has probably been about 125,000 years since the last time it was this warm. This isn't a theoretical model of something that might happen someday. It can't be made to go away by insisting that it is not theoretically possible. How did the measure temperature 125,000 years ago? Was there even a written language to record these readings? If we have time-machines, why not just go back in time, and stop the burning, before it got started on an industrial scale? What we have is computer prophecy programs, which try to project present conditions, on the distant past/future. The main flaw though, it's not a perfect, ideal world. The planet is dynamic, in constant state of change. It's not the same planet today, as it was yesterday, or 125,000 years ago. Tomorrow will be different than today.

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