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Practical experience v Theory05-12-2018 13:44
cthor29
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It is easy to fool the population into believing in Climate change when people, especially in the Cities and Towns are so far removed from nature. The people who have kept a close eye on the weather and lived with extreme weather events their whole lives are ridiculed and derided because they don't believe in global warming/climate change. They have experienced weather changes on a daily basis in all it's extremes and do not see any difference in the weather behavior. These people have more experience in this than the scientists, academics and politicians but are ignored in favor of popular theories. EXTREME NATURAL WEATHER EVENTS are not proof of Climate change. They have happened before and will happen again. There is no evidence at all that links weather and pollution. Theories and speculation are not proof of global warming. The variables are infinite so impossible to predict. It has always seemed strange to me that only 10% of all pollutants is credited with the cause of global warming yet it is the part of the pollution that feeds all plant life.
The Power Stations are not as bad as people have made out. I live and work near one and can tell you the vegetation loves it and the native animals and birds are plentiful and healthy. There is more visible impact from the nearby freeway than the power stations. Maybe people are looking in the wrong place for our deadliest pollutants. There is far more pollution in the city than from the power stations. Let's cut the emissions from there.
05-12-2018 20:47
Into the Night
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cthor29 wrote:
It is easy to fool the population into believing in Climate change when people, especially in the Cities and Towns are so far removed from nature. The people who have kept a close eye on the weather and lived with extreme weather events their whole lives are ridiculed and derided because they don't believe in global warming/climate change. They have experienced weather changes on a daily basis in all it's extremes and do not see any difference in the weather behavior. These people have more experience in this than the scientists, academics and politicians but are ignored in favor of popular theories. EXTREME NATURAL WEATHER EVENTS are not proof of Climate change. They have happened before and will happen again. There is no evidence at all that links weather and pollution. Theories and speculation are not proof of global warming. The variables are infinite so impossible to predict. It has always seemed strange to me that only 10% of all pollutants is credited with the cause of global warming yet it is the part of the pollution that feeds all plant life.
The Power Stations are not as bad as people have made out. I live and work near one and can tell you the vegetation loves it and the native animals and birds are plentiful and healthy. There is more visible impact from the nearby freeway than the power stations. Maybe people are looking in the wrong place for our deadliest pollutants. There is far more pollution in the city than from the power stations. Let's cut the emissions from there.


It is much like the weatherman on the radio that never bothered to look out the window to check the weather.

What you are seeing is essentially a city vs country war. The city is unaware of what goes on out in the country and tend to despise farmers, ranchers, mill workers, and truckers as 'destructive' to the environment, a bunch of stupid country hicks that don't know anything, and useless 'flyover' country.

The people in the cities don't realize the city can neither feed, nor house, nor clothe, nor warm their inhabitants without continuous supplies from outside, from the very same people they despise.


The Parrot Killer
Edited on 05-12-2018 20:49
05-12-2018 22:01
gfm7175
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Very good points being made here...

For starters, these people can't even define their terms ("global warming, "climate change") without doing so in a circular manner, rendering their buzzword based arguments null and void right from the get go...

Then they deny various laws of science trying to explain away how colder gases can somehow heat a warmer surface... Yet, WE are the "science-deniers"... These people regularly make use of inversion tactics such as that one, attempting to shift their own faults onto others...

The Church of Global Warming, The Church of Green, and The Church of Karl Marx are all very sick and twisted religions driven by Satanic compulsion...
08-12-2018 05:02
James___
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gfm7175 wrote:
Very good points being made here...

For starters, these people can't even define their terms ("global warming, "climate change") without doing so in a circular manner, rendering their buzzword based arguments null and void right from the get go...

Then they deny various laws of science trying to explain away how colder gases can somehow heat a warmer surface... Yet, WE are the "science-deniers"... These people regularly make use of inversion tactics such as that one, attempting to shift their own faults onto others...

The Church of Global Warming, The Church of Green, and The Church of Karl Marx are all very sick and twisted religions driven by Satanic compulsion...


I like this. Your logic makes you nothing more than a pompous a$$h©le. Still, I like the way you encourage your wife. It does make me feel better when I see couples doing things together
08-12-2018 05:21
James___
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cthor29 wrote:
It is easy to fool the population into believing in Climate change when people, especially in the Cities and Towns are so far removed from nature. The people who have kept a close eye on the weather and lived with extreme weather events their whole lives are ridiculed and derided because they don't believe in global warming/climate change. They have experienced weather changes on a daily basis in all it's extremes and do not see any difference in the weather behavior. These people have more experience in this than the scientists, academics and politicians but are ignored in favor of popular theories. EXTREME NATURAL WEATHER EVENTS are not proof of Climate change. They have happened before and will happen again. There is no evidence at all that links weather and pollution. Theories and speculation are not proof of global warming. The variables are infinite so impossible to predict. It has always seemed strange to me that only 10% of all pollutants is credited with the cause of global warming yet it is the part of the pollution that feeds all plant life.
The Power Stations are not as bad as people have made out. I live and work near one and can tell you the vegetation loves it and the native animals and birds are plentiful and healthy. There is more visible impact from the nearby freeway than the power stations. Maybe people are looking in the wrong place for our deadliest pollutants. There is far more pollution in the city than from the power stations. Let's cut the emissions from there.



In 2008 when gas was $4 a gallon, I asked coworkers about car pooling. People making $11 an hour preferred spending the extra money to ride alone in their car. Americans are just that way.
08-12-2018 06:39
HarveyH55
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James___ wrote:



In 2008 when gas was $4 a gallon, I asked coworkers about car pooling. People making $11 an hour preferred spending the extra money to ride alone in their car. Americans are just that way.


I stopped giving rides to co-workers long time ago... Use to when I was young, and never knew when I might need one, which I found difficult to find, when I did. But mostly, it was a bad idea, seldom went smoothly, and a race to the time clock. I once left a guy standing in his driveway, he had just woke up, I knew he would be a while getting ready, and was already kind of fed up with waiting on him, always a few last minute things. Another on live more than a little out of my way, said it give me a couple of buck for gas on payday. Actually offer just $2.00, like he was being generous. I drove him the whole week... Couldn't imagine a car full of people, be tough not to get stuck with another nightmare.

Unfortunately, doesn't look like Trump is going to get much done, and he'll have a tough time in 2020. The next Democrat president, will most definitely be all for the socialist reforms, and save the planet movement. Driving alone, might be costly, maybe illegal eventually.

Still interested in how things are progressing in France. The government back down on the carbon tax hike, for six months. I'm not sure if the french people are dumb enough to buy that stall tactic, means the government still plans on the carbon tax hike, just needs time to deal with the reluctance.

I'd imagine we will do some protesting, rioting, and considerable looting, if/when our government tries to pull something like that here. During the Obama years, there was a lot of 'Black Lives Matter' riots, and looting, yet surprisingly few were ever prosecuted, even with all the YouTube and FaceBook videos. Lot of theft and property damage, serious crimes, and a free pass?
08-12-2018 15:55
James___
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HarveyH55 wrote:
James___ wrote:



In 2008 when gas was $4 a gallon, I asked coworkers about car pooling. People making $11 an hour preferred spending the extra money to ride alone in their car. Americans are just that way.


I stopped giving rides to co-workers long time ago... Use to when I was young, and never knew when I might need one, which I found difficult to find, when I did. But mostly, it was a bad idea, seldom went smoothly, and a race to the time clock. I once left a guy standing in his driveway, he had just woke up, I knew he would be a while getting ready, and was already kind of fed up with waiting on him, always a few last minute things. Another on live more than a little out of my way, said it give me a couple of buck for gas on payday. Actually offer just $2.00, like he was being generous. I drove him the whole week... Couldn't imagine a car full of people, be tough not to get stuck with another nightmare.

Unfortunately, doesn't look like Trump is going to get much done, and he'll have a tough time in 2020. The next Democrat president, will most definitely be all for the socialist reforms, and save the planet movement. Driving alone, might be costly, maybe illegal eventually.

Still interested in how things are progressing in France. The government back down on the carbon tax hike, for six months. I'm not sure if the french people are dumb enough to buy that stall tactic, means the government still plans on the carbon tax hike, just needs time to deal with the reluctance.

I'd imagine we will do some protesting, rioting, and considerable looting, if/when our government tries to pull something like that here. During the Obama years, there was a lot of 'Black Lives Matter' riots, and looting, yet surprisingly few were ever prosecuted, even with all the YouTube and FaceBook videos. Lot of theft and property damage, serious crimes, and a free pass?



If Trump has a rough time in 2020 it will be because of increased debt/spending and him having to pay taxes and penalties on money he laundered to avoid paying taxes on. For the tax fraud he's being investigated for it's already been acknowledged that the statute of limitations has expired. But for taxes owed, there is no statute of limitations.
Yet if it's found out that he committed tax fraud you'd defend him.
https://www.housingwire.com/articles/47024-new-york-opens-investigation-into-trump-real-estate-tax-fraud-allegations

Or how about his going back stage at his Teen Beauty Pageant to make sure that naked teens were OK
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/donald-trump-former-miss-arizona-tasha-dixon-naked-undressed-backstage-howard-stern-a7357866.html

Or giving his Russian friends Israeli secrets
https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/report-trump-revealed-covert-israeli-mission-in-syria-to-russians-1.5626703

So harvey, you don't think his being friends with Putin will hurt him? Or tax fraud or checking out teens in various states of nudity?
I guess it shows that the US is the modern Rome where it is all about who has the power.
I think with you harvey that you live in poverty and supporting Trump is akin to someone in England liking Prince Harry. The difference is that Prince Harry might actually be a nice guy.
Edited on 08-12-2018 16:02
08-12-2018 17:48
HarveyH55
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Never implied that I thought Trump was a saint, as most of the filthy rich aren't. Most lawyers and politicians are as bad, mostly worse, as the practice deception, professionally. I like a lot of Trumps idea, and believe he sincerely hopes to get some of them done, which would helps get out out the hole that's been getting dug, for a long time.

Beauty Pageant Pervert? He'd been involved in hundreds of these, not to mention backstage access to many other shows. Busy place, and just one example of perversion? Doesn't really set a pattern, should have been hundreds of people rushing forward during his campaign, with stories to tell. Seems more like a lot of media hype, spin it anyway you want.

Trump's taxes? Yeah, there are a lot slippery tricks accountants and lawyers use, to reduce or eliminate the obligations of their clients, and get paid very well. Looks outrageous in the news, but fairly common practice, and barely legal. He probably has never done his own accounting or legal work, just signed as advised. The Clinton team is much worse, both lawyers, and dozens of shady dealings, scandals, and lack of ethics. You really think Hillary would have been a better choice? More free stuff, only means more debt, and that was the bulk of her campaign promises.

Putin's friend? Really, doesn't seem like they talk much. With all the White House leakers, seems like some communications would have been leaked by now. Russia is a world power, they should be talking, think that is the main reason for the investigation, to keep them from talking, likely some interesting things to come out. Got a hunch Russia could really use some American products, which would be very good for our economy. But, Russia is the enemy, the worst people on earth, and there are bans, sanctions and all kinds of things blocking us from selling to them, even food products. I don't know much about Russia, but doubtful they are as bad as the propaganda, different culture, different values and beliefs

I live in poverty? Subjective observation, I suppose, depends on where you are sitting, or maybe a subtle insult. But, I've had the same job for over 27 years. My house is paid off, 12 years ago. I have zero debt, no loans, no credit cards. All that I have, is paid for, even my Ford Explorer POS edition. Sure, I don't have a house full of shiny new things. The house is no mansion, not even particularly nice, but I own it. Had my appendix removed back in August, had more than enough to pay the medical bills as they came, still have a comfortable balance in my checking account. Poverty? Not from my perspective, no struggle to survive, and have the option to upgrade my lifestyle. I prefer to live within my means, and not trying to impress or be popular, relatively stress-free living. Higher taxes, increased cost of living, and all of the stuff associate with the 'Climate Change' BS, having to pick up the tab, for other people's 'free-stuff', bothers me, since it could have a stressful impact on my chosen lifestyle. Since I earn more than I need to pay my bills, I'm definitely not living in poverty.
08-12-2018 18:43
James___
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Harvey, so you like guys that ogle teenagers and admit to grabbing women's vaginas? Stormy Daniels worked where? I'm sure her friends were well compensated for Trump grabbing them.
Those sure do sound like good ideas. And now we know about money laundering and his being buddies with Putin and as an American you like him? Kind of why America is going down hill.
08-12-2018 19:18
Into the Night
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James___ wrote:
Harvey, so you like guys that ogle teenagers and admit to grabbing women's vaginas? Stormy Daniels worked where? I'm sure her friends were well compensated for Trump grabbing them.
Those sure do sound like good ideas. And now we know about money laundering and his being buddies with Putin and as an American you like him? Kind of why America is going down hill.


Guess you'd rather support Bill Clinton.


The Parrot Killer
08-12-2018 19:52
gfm7175
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Into the Night wrote:
James___ wrote:
Harvey, so you like guys that ogle teenagers and admit to grabbing women's vaginas? Stormy Daniels worked where? I'm sure her friends were well compensated for Trump grabbing them.
Those sure do sound like good ideas. And now we know about money laundering and his being buddies with Putin and as an American you like him? Kind of why America is going down hill.


Guess you'd rather support Bill Clinton.


What I always like about that mindset is that these types of people typically argue that they don't want a "rapist" in the White House, yet they were perfectly fine with voting for Hilary Clinton (conveniently forgetting that her husband would then also be in the White House)...
08-12-2018 19:56
James___
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Into the Night wrote:
James___ wrote:
Harvey, so you like guys that ogle teenagers and admit to grabbing women's vaginas? Stormy Daniels worked where? I'm sure her friends were well compensated for Trump grabbing them.
Those sure do sound like good ideas. And now we know about money laundering and his being buddies with Putin and as an American you like him? Kind of why America is going down hill.


Guess you'd rather support Bill Clinton.



This is funny. When I watch church services on TV, they're the same way. Everything is an ultimatum. So that's my ultimatum?
Choose either Bill Clinton or Donald Trump?
Anymore I think America is in a down hill slide. It's us against them when they are us. What is that worn out saying? United We Stand and Divided We Fall?
We're a divided country that's splintering apart.
08-12-2018 20:43
gfm7175
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James___ wrote:
Into the Night wrote:
James___ wrote:
Harvey, so you like guys that ogle teenagers and admit to grabbing women's vaginas? Stormy Daniels worked where? I'm sure her friends were well compensated for Trump grabbing them.
Those sure do sound like good ideas. And now we know about money laundering and his being buddies with Putin and as an American you like him? Kind of why America is going down hill.


Guess you'd rather support Bill Clinton.



This is funny. When I watch church services on TV, they're the same way. Everything is an ultimatum. So that's my ultimatum?
Choose either Bill Clinton or Donald Trump?
Anymore I think America is in a down hill slide. It's us against them when they are us. What is that worn out saying? United We Stand and Divided We Fall?
We're a divided country that's splintering apart.


Thanks to the Marxists in power and their denials of philosophy, logic, religion, science, mathematics, history, etc...

I mean, what knowledge is even left after the outright denial of all those things...
08-12-2018 20:47
James___
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gfm7175 wrote:
James___ wrote:
Into the Night wrote:
James___ wrote:
Harvey, so you like guys that ogle teenagers and admit to grabbing women's vaginas? Stormy Daniels worked where? I'm sure her friends were well compensated for Trump grabbing them.
Those sure do sound like good ideas. And now we know about money laundering and his being buddies with Putin and as an American you like him? Kind of why America is going down hill.


Guess you'd rather support Bill Clinton.



This is funny. When I watch church services on TV, they're the same way. Everything is an ultimatum. So that's my ultimatum?
Choose either Bill Clinton or Donald Trump?
Anymore I think America is in a down hill slide. It's us against them when they are us. What is that worn out saying? United We Stand and Divided We Fall?
We're a divided country that's splintering apart.


Thanks to the Marxists in power and their denials of philosophy, logic, religion, science, mathematics, history, etc...

I mean, what knowledge is even left after the outright denial of all those things...



Politics?

This is an example of some simple logic. As the wells go deeper the ground on top becomes drier. It's how wells get filled. This is from Aug., 2014.
The Ogallala Aquifer is pretty much the same thing. Yet there are no plans to restore the water tables that can affect up to 40% of the US agricultural production. This is where climate changes is something that puts issues like these on the back burner so to speak. Just not a priority yet.

https://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2014/08/140815-central-valley-california-drilling-boom-groundwater-drought-wells/
Edited on 08-12-2018 20:58
08-12-2018 21:28
Into the Night
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James___ wrote:
gfm7175 wrote:
James___ wrote:
Into the Night wrote:
James___ wrote:
Harvey, so you like guys that ogle teenagers and admit to grabbing women's vaginas? Stormy Daniels worked where? I'm sure her friends were well compensated for Trump grabbing them.
Those sure do sound like good ideas. And now we know about money laundering and his being buddies with Putin and as an American you like him? Kind of why America is going down hill.


Guess you'd rather support Bill Clinton.



This is funny. When I watch church services on TV, they're the same way. Everything is an ultimatum. So that's my ultimatum?
Choose either Bill Clinton or Donald Trump?
Anymore I think America is in a down hill slide. It's us against them when they are us. What is that worn out saying? United We Stand and Divided We Fall?
We're a divided country that's splintering apart.


Thanks to the Marxists in power and their denials of philosophy, logic, religion, science, mathematics, history, etc...

I mean, what knowledge is even left after the outright denial of all those things...



Politics?

This is an example of some simple logic. As the wells go deeper the ground on top becomes drier. It's how wells get filled. This is from Aug., 2014.
The Ogallala Aquifer is pretty much the same thing. Yet there are no plans to restore the water tables that can affect up to 40% of the US agricultural production. This is where climate changes is something that puts issues like these on the back burner so to speak. Just not a priority yet.


Changing the subject again??? What has the Ogallala aquifer to do with Bill Clinton???

Geez. You change subjects so fast it's a wonder you haven't snapped your neck from whiplash!

The aquifer is low not because of 'climate change' (whatever that is), but because of overuse. Like any river (above ground or below ground makes no difference) it can only supply so much per year and it must be shared among all the users.

The users of this water are already in the process of forming a compact, much like the Colorado river compact. The federal government is not required. They are doing it themselves.


The Parrot Killer
08-12-2018 22:59
James___
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Into the Night wrote:
James___ wrote:
gfm7175 wrote:
James___ wrote:
Into the Night wrote:
James___ wrote:
Harvey, so you like guys that ogle teenagers and admit to grabbing women's vaginas? Stormy Daniels worked where? I'm sure her friends were well compensated for Trump grabbing them.
Those sure do sound like good ideas. And now we know about money laundering and his being buddies with Putin and as an American you like him? Kind of why America is going down hill.


Guess you'd rather support Bill Clinton.



This is funny. When I watch church services on TV, they're the same way. Everything is an ultimatum. So that's my ultimatum?
Choose either Bill Clinton or Donald Trump?
Anymore I think America is in a down hill slide. It's us against them when they are us. What is that worn out saying? United We Stand and Divided We Fall?
We're a divided country that's splintering apart.


Thanks to the Marxists in power and their denials of philosophy, logic, religion, science, mathematics, history, etc...

I mean, what knowledge is even left after the outright denial of all those things...



Politics?

This is an example of some simple logic. As the wells go deeper the ground on top becomes drier. It's how wells get filled. This is from Aug., 2014.
The Ogallala Aquifer is pretty much the same thing. Yet there are no plans to restore the water tables that can affect up to 40% of the US agricultural production. This is where climate changes is something that puts issues like these on the back burner so to speak. Just not a priority yet.


Changing the subject again??? What has the Ogallala aquifer to do with Bill Clinton???

Geez. You change subjects so fast it's a wonder you haven't snapped your neck from whiplash!

The aquifer is low not because of 'climate change' (whatever that is), but because of overuse. Like any river (above ground or below ground makes no difference) it can only supply so much per year and it must be shared among all the users.

The users of this water are already in the process of forming a compact, much like the Colorado river compact. The federal government is not required. They are doing it themselves.


You brought up Bill Clinton. Were you wanting your dick sucked? Sorry, I'm not Monica Lewinsky. Maybe in your wet dreams?

edited to add: you need to read more itn. Water rights as they are toda are based on a 19th Century system they developed. That was about 150 years ago. This favors farms north up around Sacramento.
I'm surprised you didn't know this. Just saying some things and trying to sound like you know what you're talking about? Yep


If you have any time for reading itn. Even conservation might not help. It's just that with the volume of water needed for agricultural production it will probably take a dedicated source of fresh water.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/energy-environment/wp/2016/06/27/deep-down-california-may-have-a-lot-more-water-than-scientists-thought/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.9ee705a11675
Edited on 08-12-2018 23:55
09-12-2018 01:14
HarveyH55
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Over use is only part of the problem. We get plenty of rain every year, but not much of it gets to seep into the ground, we pave over a lot of it. We direct a good portion in to a storm drainage system, which directs most of that fresh water, blessed from the heavens, into rivers, streams, canals, and eventually the ocean. Civilized people don't like floods or standing water, so the dispose of it. The drainage system doesn't just kick in, when there is property damaging floods, it's every time it rains.

Seems sort of odd, that we have no problems with oil pipelines, usually paid in part by tax money, so oil companies can transport cheaply, but we don't pipe storm water to places it's needed. Now, it's true, that once the rain hits the pavement, it's far from fresh, or even safe to drink, lot of automotive fluids get mixed real quick. Beneficial things, need to enrich someone, or they aren't worth doing. There must be a lot of friends of the oil companies in government, since they had to grab a lot of land, destroy the only know habitat of... well, there is always some little plant or critter, that gets wiped out, for these sorts of projects.
09-12-2018 03:16
HarveyH55
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James___ wrote:
Harvey, so you like guys that ogle teenagers and admit to grabbing women's vaginas? Stormy Daniels worked where? I'm sure her friends were well compensated for Trump grabbing them.
Those sure do sound like good ideas. And now we know about money laundering and his being buddies with Putin and as an American you like him? Kind of why America is going down hill.


Well, if you believe the media twist on facts these days, but I'm betting on the truth is nearly as exciting. Don't think walking on partially clothed contestants was a common practice, maybe he was given the impression they were fully clothed, when he entered. I've walked into a few embarrassing situations a few times, happens to most, least once or twice. Admit to groping? That tape, if you ever listened (it's on YouTube), he never stated that he did, only he could. Stormy Daniels, a professional, he paid for it, just like anyone else with the price. Was he covering up for the campaign, or from his wife. As a businessman, it wasn't headline news, pretty safe. As a candidate, it was likely to come out... How many years back did they have to dig for that dirty? Nothing current, and just a few weak nuggets... People never stop learning from their mistakes, maybe Trump grew up a little.

Money laundering, Putin? I'll wait for the charges to be filed. More than 2 years, and lying, few unrelated financial miss handling charges, mostly a judgement call. Would know if I like Trump as a person, never met him, probably wouldn't care to be around him much. I do believe we had a better chance with him, than with most of the other candidates. Anybody, even you, would have been better than Hillary, who we know to be into dirty deals, as with her husband, and they don't really care who knows it, since the dirt is ethics, and lawyer tricks, for the most part. Billy will get caught with his pants down again, he needs people to know he can still score on younger women, just like a frat boy.
09-12-2018 05:52
James___
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HarveyH55 wrote:
James___ wrote:
Harvey, so you like guys that ogle teenagers and admit to grabbing women's vaginas? Stormy Daniels worked where? I'm sure her friends were well compensated for Trump grabbing them.
Those sure do sound like good ideas. And now we know about money laundering and his being buddies with Putin and as an American you like him? Kind of why America is going down hill.


Well, if you believe the media twist on facts these days, but I'm betting on the truth is nearly as exciting. Don't think walking on partially clothed contestants was a common practice, maybe he was given the impression they were fully clothed, when he entered. I've walked into a few embarrassing situations a few times, happens to most, least once or twice. Admit to groping? That tape, if you ever listened (it's on YouTube), he never stated that he did, only he could. Stormy Daniels, a professional, he paid for it, just like anyone else with the price. Was he covering up for the campaign, or from his wife. As a businessman, it wasn't headline news, pretty safe. As a candidate, it was likely to come out... How many years back did they have to dig for that dirty? Nothing current, and just a few weak nuggets... People never stop learning from their mistakes, maybe Trump grew up a little.

Money laundering, Putin? I'll wait for the charges to be filed. More than 2 years, and lying, few unrelated financial miss handling charges, mostly a judgement call. Would know if I like Trump as a person, never met him, probably wouldn't care to be around him much. I do believe we had a better chance with him, than with most of the other candidates. Anybody, even you, would have been better than Hillary, who we know to be into dirty deals, as with her husband, and they don't really care who knows it, since the dirt is ethics, and lawyer tricks, for the most part. Billy will get caught with his pants down again, he needs people to know he can still score on younger women, just like a frat boy.



harvey, There was a time it meant something to be an American. Anymore it doesn't mean that much. According to some of the gals in the Teen Pageant, when Trump saw they were naked he kept on going in there. One gal said she had to hurry to try to get something on so he wouldn't see her naked.
Trump himself said that was one of the perks of owning the pageant, he could go back stage when no other guy could go back there.
Yet you're OK with that. With me, I don't think the gals in the pageant were lying. Lots of media outlets must be twisting what Trump told Howard Stern. Contestants have coaberated this.

https://thinkprogress.org/trump-beauty-pageants-naked-2dc4b6c6d507/




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