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tmiddles wrote:

IBdaMann wrote:...you simply will not include the prepositional phrase "until we can find out what is going on" (0:00:13-0:00:15)

Wrong as usual (link):

tmiddles wrote:
[quote]IBdaMann wrote:
...are you asking if I claim that Trump called for temporary travel restrictions ...

Nope. I'm asking if this quote "He's calling for a temporary shut down of Muslim's entering the United States until we can figure out what's going on."

IBdaMann wrote:..."Trump's message" and a single string of text removed of context. You brazenly conflate the two just

tmiddles wrote:I posted a [very brief] excerpt [omitting context] from Trumps own 30 second spot [to then claim that it is his "message"]

IBdaMann wrote:

tmiddles wrote:I posted a [very brief] excerpt [omitting context] from Trumps own 30 second spot [to then claim that it is his "message"]

Yes, I know. You are dishonest.
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IBdaMann wrote:

tmiddles wrote:I posted a [very brief] excerpt [omitting context] from Trumps own 30 second spot [to then claim that it is his "message"]

Yes, I know. You are dishonest.
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tmiddles wrote:

IBdaMann wrote:..."Trump's message" and a single string of text removed of context. You brazenly conflate the two just

Yeah your fantasy that you can have Trump NOT have said something because he said other stuff too is absurd.

Trump is a wild man. His opinion can change mid sentence. In 1999 he was once VERY pro choice remember?

But this is about Trump in as much as insanity is a topic that swirls around him.

I posted an excerpt from Trumps own 30 second spot. It is unaltered in any way. To claim it's not the truth and a lie is to announce your own madness.

It's a fact. As is your denial of reality.

tmiddles wrote:
What you and ITN don't realize is that it's you are both describing in detail how you, and those like you, are just plain crazy! That's the story here. Not global warming or Trump.

Into the Night wrote:

tmiddles wrote:...To claim it's not the truth and a lie is to announce your own madness.
It's a fact. As is your denial of reality.

Not a fact.

tmiddles wrote:

Into the Night wrote:

tmiddles wrote:...To claim it's not the truth and a lie is to announce your own madness.
It's a fact. As is your denial of reality.

Not a fact.

So you're claiming Donald Trump didn't approve that message? That it's NOT his first campaign ad from 2016?

Into the Night wrote:
Repetitious lie by cherry picking.

tmiddles wrote:

Into the Night wrote:
Repetitious lie by cherry picking.

That's not a thing. Cherry picking would mean by definition it's not a fabrication.

Insanity fallacy on your part. Do me a favor. Look in the mirror, full eye contact, and tell yourself Donald Trump never tried to ban Muslims from the country. Let me know if your eyes twitch or something.

Into the Night wrote:
No eye twitched.

tmiddles wrote:

Into the Night wrote:
No eye twitched.

You cannot distinguish what is real from what is not. No heavy machinery for you and wear a hard hat.

tmiddles wrote:
Nope. I'm asking if this quote "He's calling for a temporary shut down of Muslim's entering the United States until we can figure out what's going on." read over this image, is a reality you deny.

GasGuzzler wrote:the bank ...banned me...

tmiddles wrote:
[quote]GasGuzzler wrote:the bank ...banned me...

tmiddles wrote:So which is it. Did he try to ban Muslims and it's no big deal? or he never even tried?

tmiddles wrote:I think a lot of people who aren't persecuted don't think it's a big deal when other groups are. It's easy like that.

GasGuzzler wrote:

tmiddles wrote:
Nope. I'm asking if this quote "He's calling for a temporary shut down of Muslim's entering the United States until we can figure out what's going on." read over this image, is a reality you deny.

So I went to do some online banking today. Damnit if I didn't screw up my passwords 3 times!!!

You know what the bank did? They banned me from using their services forever....oh, wait. I'm only banned until I call them to answer some security questions and have my access restored. I'm over it already. Matter of fact I think I will thank them for protecting my assets when I call tomorrow.

tmiddles wrote:

GasGuzzler wrote:the bank ...banned me...

So which is it. Did he try to ban Muslims and it's no big deal? or he never even tried?

I think a lot of people who aren't persecuted don't think it's a big deal when other groups are. It's easy like that.

Having a religious test for entry into the county is what it is, as is the man behind it.

GasGuzzler wrote:...all the while sitting on a bounty of opportunity and utterly wasting it.

tmiddles wrote:

GasGuzzler wrote:...all the while sitting on a bounty of opportunity and utterly wasting it.

We have an opportunity to keep our country free of BS like the threat of a religious test for entry. More importantly we can fight for a country were truth, honesty and a firm grip on reality remain the norm. When the truth is called a lie that is threatened. When real news is dismissed as "fake news" you should be worried.

So Gas Guzzler. Maybe you're willing to parse the insanity for me here. How did I "distort" or "lie" in presenting Trump's own 30 second spot and the video frame below:

Is posting that frame of video a lie?!? I mean I didn't Photoshop anything. Did I miss the point of his commercial? Because I'm pretty sure that was the main point.

GasGuzzler wrote:

tmiddles wrote:So Gas Guzzler. Maybe you're willing to parse...

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You called it a ban on Muslims That would actually be offensive.
You never called it a temporary travel ban on people from Muslim countries...the people that have been slaughtering Americans. What's not to get? What's offensive about keeping the US safe? He's doing his job, some thing we're not used to from most politicians.

tmiddles wrote:So I'm ready! Lay it on me. What do you see there that somehow changes the message "Ban on Muslims" ??

IBdaMann wrote:

tmiddles wrote:So I'm ready! Lay it on me. What do you see there that somehow changes the message "Ban on Muslims" ??

"The politicians can pretend it's something else but Donald Trump calls it radical islamic terrorism, that's why he's calling for a temporary shut down of Muslim's entering the United States until we can figure out what's going on."

The message is "control our borders, make America safe again, make America great again."

Oh, and the message is clear. I would remind you that I'm sure everyone accepts the possibility that you really are too stupid to understand English.

So, looking into the possibility that perhaps the entire problem really is on your end, let's see if others on this board who have demonstrated sufficient English comprehension understood Trump's message as intended.

People of this board (except tmiddles and myself), did you understand Trump's message as something to the effect of "control our borders, make America safe again, make America great again" ... or did you understand it as "I hate all non-males and non-Christians, especially Muslims, in a Neo-Nazi, white-supremacist, fascist manner"?

Thank you for helping clear this up.

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IBdaMann wrote:... the message is clear.

GasGuzzler wrote:
If he actually had said "let's ban Muslims from ever entering this country again" is there any way he is elected?

HarveyH55 wrote:
The missing keyword, is always, 'TEMPORARY'

Into the Night wrote:it was about placing limits on Islamic terrorists and not all of Islam.

Into the Night wrote:

tmiddles wrote:
The banning Muslim's from the country ad in 2016 was the first shock to the system.

No one banned Muslims. No one even tried.

Into the Night wrote:
TRUMP never tried to keep Muslims out of the Country

IBdaMann wrote:
What drugs are you smoking?

GasGuzzler wrote:

tmiddles wrote:....Did he try to ban Muslims and it's no big deal? or he never even tried?

Neither.

Into the Night wrote:
Out of context. A lie by cherry picking.

HarveyH55 wrote:
It is a real commercial, I don't think anyone disputes that. But you are taking out of time, and context, for which it was presented originally.

tmiddles wrote:

IBdaMann wrote:... the message is clear.

GasGuzzler wrote:
If he actually had said "let's ban Muslims from ever entering this country again" is there any way he is elected?

HarveyH55 wrote:
The missing keyword, is always, 'TEMPORARY'

Into the Night wrote:it was about placing limits on Islamic terrorists and not all of Islam.

Let's recap: I've been called a LIAR for stating that Trump called for a ban on Muslim's entering the country. This is how it started:

Into the Night wrote:

tmiddles wrote:
The banning Muslim's from the country ad in 2016 was the first shock to the system.

No one banned Muslims. No one even tried.

Into the Night wrote:
TRUMP never tried to keep Muslims out of the Country

IBdaMann wrote:
What drugs are you smoking?

GasGuzzler wrote:

tmiddles wrote:....Did he try to ban Muslims and it's no big deal? or he never even tried?

Neither.

Into the Night wrote:
Out of context. A lie by cherry picking.

HarveyH55 wrote:
It is a real commercial, I don't think anyone disputes that. But you are taking out of time, and context, for which it was presented originally.

From my first post I linked directly to Trump's video and now I've posted a transcript.

It is a FACT that the words TEMPORARY BAN ON MUSLIMS ENTERING THE U.S. are shown on screen and a FACT that the announcer says "That's why he's calling for a temporary shut down of Muslim's entering the United States".
I never distorted, photoshopped or otherwise falsified anything. The spot is 30 seconds long and the link easy to use.

If you can't have established facts at all
then all you have is hand waiving and BS!

And I haven't been the one going on about this. I mentioned it and ITN claimed it never happened. When someone makes a factually incorrect statement and calls me a liar it's understandable I would respond. And it's not cherry picking to point out something someone else claims doesn't exist.

tmiddles wrote:

IBdaMann wrote:... the message is clear.

GasGuzzler wrote:
If he actually had said "let's ban Muslims from ever entering this country again" is there any way he is elected?

HarveyH55 wrote:
The missing keyword, is always, 'TEMPORARY'

Into the Night wrote:it was about placing limits on Islamic terrorists and not all of Islam.

Let's recap: I've been called a LIAR for stating that Trump called for a ban on Muslim's entering the country. This is how it started:

Into the Night wrote:

tmiddles wrote:
The banning Muslim's from the country ad in 2016 was the first shock to the system.

No one banned Muslims. No one even tried.

Into the Night wrote:
TRUMP never tried to keep Muslims out of the Country

IBdaMann wrote:
What drugs are you smoking?

GasGuzzler wrote:

tmiddles wrote:....Did he try to ban Muslims and it's no big deal? or he never even tried?

Neither.

Into the Night wrote:
Out of context. A lie by cherry picking.

HarveyH55 wrote:
It is a real commercial, I don't think anyone disputes that. But you are taking out of time, and context, for which it was presented originally.

From my first post I linked directly to Trump's video and now I've posted a transcript.

It is a FACT that the words TEMPORARY BAN ON MUSLIMS ENTERING THE U.S. are shown on screen and a FACT that the announcer says "That's why he's calling for a temporary shut down of Muslim's entering the United States".
I never distorted, photoshopped or otherwise falsified anything. The spot is 30 seconds long and the link easy to use.

If you can't have established facts at all
then all you have is hand waiving and BS!

And I haven't been the one going on about this. I mentioned it and ITN claimed it never happened. When someone makes a factually incorrect statement and calls me a liar it's understandable I would respond. And it's not cherry picking to point out something someone else claims doesn't exist.

tmiddles wrote:Let's recap: I've been called a LIAR for stating that Trump called for a ban on Muslim's entering the country.

HarveyH55 wrote:
This is the first time you acknowledge the proposed ban was TEMPORARY, were before, you always referred to, or implied it was going to permanent.

tmiddles wrote:
So this is why this is very relevant to the board as being able to distinguish reality from fantasy is critical:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2UoQff8MMVM

Quote: "He's calling for a TEMPORARY shut down of Muslim's entering the United States until we can figure out what's going on."

These are the words of Trump in a campaign ad.

Is anyone here confused about these facts? They are facts you see. It's Trump saying this directly in a television spot.

tmiddles wrote:

Into the Night wrote:
It is taken out of context. Not a fact. An argument. Learn what a fact is.
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So what's not a fact?

Is it a fact that this is Trump's video? Explain the context from the video I'm missing here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2UoQff8MMVM

Quote: "He's calling for a TEMPORARY shut down of Muslim's entering the United States until we can figure out what's going on."

tmiddles wrote:

GasGuzzler wrote:
There are some 375 different shark species

I think we actually see this the same way. It's all based on what you're calling a shark and what you're not.
Now had Trump said: "A TEMPORARY shut down of anyone entering the United States until we can figure out what's going on." It would be tavelers who are sharks.
"A TEMPORARY shut down of men entering the United States until we can figure out what's going on." then men would be sharks
and so on.
Again not all of them dangerous, but categorically different from everyone else. Because a sharks not a dolphin.
..../quote]

tmiddles wrote:
Rallying supports is the point. It's not a video that was made for you of course.

[quote]IBdaMann wrote:Please cite where I favor banning Muslims.

TRUMP begins with: "I approve this message":
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2UoQff8MMVM
Big words on the screen
" TEMPORARY BAN ON MUSLIMS ENTERING THE US"

Your response was:

IBdaMann wrote:
Trump's message was one of security for ....

So I took that as YOU approve of that message.
...

HarveyH55 wrote:
You could actually go back, and pull an ad from most any candidate, for any elected office, and make similar claims of unfit for office, ....

IBdaMann wrote:
Let's recap: you are a LIAR for intentionally distorting Trump's message by insisting it is a small string of words without the full context and without the entire rest of the message.
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tmiddles wrote:

HarveyH55 wrote:
You could actually go back, and pull an ad from most any candidate, for any elected office, and make similar claims of unfit for office, ....

You have ignored how this came up. I mentioned I was shocked this ad was aired containing a call for a Muslim ban and ITN claimed it didn't exist.

tmiddles wrote:

HarveyH55 wrote:
You could actually go back, and pull an ad from most any candidate, for any elected office, and make similar claims of unfit for office, ....

You have ignored how this came up. I mentioned I was shocked this ad was aired containing a call for a Muslim ban and ITN claimed it didn't exist.

tmiddles wrote:

HarveyH55 wrote:
You could actually go back, and pull an ad from most any candidate, for any elected office, and make similar claims of unfit for office, ....

You have ignored how this came up. I mentioned I was shocked this ad was aired containing a call for a Muslim ban and ITN claimed it didn't exist.

HarveyH55 wrote:
And as you did, when you started the fuss, you left out the 'TEMPORARY', and since you acknowledge that you were aware, your persistence is intentional..

tmiddles wrote:

HarveyH55 wrote:
This is the first time you acknowledge the proposed ban was TEMPORARY, were before, you always referred to, or implied it was going to permanent.

No that is simply false:

tmiddles wrote:
So this is why this is very relevant to the board as being able to distinguish reality from fantasy is critical:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2UoQff8MMVM

Quote: "He's calling for a TEMPORARY shut down of Muslim's entering the United States until we can figure out what's going on."

These are the words of Trump in a campaign ad.

Is anyone here confused about these facts? They are facts you see. It's Trump saying this directly in a television spot.

tmiddles wrote:

Into the Night wrote:
It is taken out of context. Not a fact. An argument. Learn what a fact is.
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So what's not a fact?

Is it a fact that this is Trump's video? Explain the context from the video I'm missing here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2UoQff8MMVM

Quote: "He's calling for a TEMPORARY shut down of Muslim's entering the United States until we can figure out what's going on."

tmiddles wrote:

GasGuzzler wrote:
There are some 375 different shark species

I think we actually see this the same way. It's all based on what you're calling a shark and what you're not.
Now had Trump said: "A TEMPORARY shut down of anyone entering the United States until we can figure out what's going on." It would be tavelers who are sharks.
"A TEMPORARY shut down of men entering the United States until we can figure out what's going on." then men would be sharks
and so on.
Again not all of them dangerous, but categorically different from everyone else. Because a sharks not a dolphin.
..../quote]

tmiddles wrote:
Rallying supports is the point. It's not a video that was made for you of course.

[quote]IBdaMann wrote:Please cite where I favor banning Muslims.

TRUMP begins with: "I approve this message":
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2UoQff8MMVM
Big words on the screen
" TEMPORARY BAN ON MUSLIMS ENTERING THE US"

Your response was:

IBdaMann wrote:
Trump's message was one of security for ....

So I took that as YOU approve of that message.
...

Into the Night wrote:
Lie. I never claimed the ad didn't exist,

gfm7175 wrote:
There was never any call for a Muslim ban.

HarveyH55 wrote:
So, what exactly is the point yo are trying to make? Ban, and TEMPORARY ban, are not the same thing. It is the only point being disputed.

tmiddles wrote:

HarveyH55 wrote:
So, what exactly is the point yo are trying to make? Ban, and TEMPORARY ban, are not the same thing. It is the only point being disputed.

Only one you acknowledge maybe.

You misrepresented that I had distorted Trump's commercial by excluding the word Temporary.

I did not. I also think it changes next to nothing that it is there.

tmiddles wrote:

Into the Night wrote:
Lie. I never claimed the ad didn't exist,

I said there was a Trump ad calling for a ban on Muslims And you denied that the ad did that. I linked to the ad so yeah you were just claiming then and now that calling for a 'ban on Muslims" is "no one even tried" for a "ban on Muslims"

gfm7175 wrote:
There was never any call for a Muslim ban.

In the commercial Trump is calling for one. Literally.

calling for a temporary shut down of Muslim's entering the United States

tmiddles wrote:
You have ignored how this came up. I mentioned I was shocked this ad was aired containing a call for a Muslim ban and ITN claimed it didn't exist.