07-06-2020 11:03 | |
Into the Night★★★★★ (21877) |
tmiddles wrote:IBdaMann wrote:You have all be crystal clear now. Any weapon from a switch blade to a nuclear war head must be legal in your opinions if the constitution is to be followed. All weapons are legal. tmiddles wrote: They don't get a choice. All weapons are legal. tmiddles wrote: They don't get a choice. All weapons are legal. tmiddles wrote: You don't get to speak for everyone. You only get to speak for you. tmiddles wrote: You don't get to speak for everyone. You only get to speak for you. tmiddles wrote: You don't get to speak for everyone. You only get to speak for you. tmiddles wrote: False authority fallacy. Only the Constitution is the authoritative reference to the Constitution. The Parrot Killer Debunked in my sig. - tmiddles Google keeps track of paranoid talk and i'm not on their list. I've been evaluated and certified. - keepit nuclear powered ships do not require nuclear fuel. - Swan While it is true that fossils do not burn it is also true that fossil fuels burn very well - Swan |
07-06-2020 11:07 | |
Into the Night★★★★★ (21877) |
keepit wrote:It has to parts, related to the rights of self defense. keepit wrote:Neither interferes with the other. keepit wrote:They still do today. keepit wrote:Now you are attempting to undefine 'interpret'. Learn English. keepit wrote: The Court does not have the authority to interpret or change the Constitution. keepit wrote: No court has the authority to change or interpret the Constitution. The Parrot Killer Debunked in my sig. - tmiddles Google keeps track of paranoid talk and i'm not on their list. I've been evaluated and certified. - keepit nuclear powered ships do not require nuclear fuel. - Swan While it is true that fossils do not burn it is also true that fossil fuels burn very well - Swan |
07-06-2020 11:08 | |
Into the Night★★★★★ (21877) |
keepit wrote: There is not authorization given to the federal government to ban these activities either. The Parrot Killer Debunked in my sig. - tmiddles Google keeps track of paranoid talk and i'm not on their list. I've been evaluated and certified. - keepit nuclear powered ships do not require nuclear fuel. - Swan While it is true that fossils do not burn it is also true that fossil fuels burn very well - Swan |
07-06-2020 11:23 | |
tmiddles★★★★★ (3979) |
Into the Night wrote:I think you, IBD and GFM have made your very unique and bazaar point of view very clear. It would be a terrifying world to live in but I need not fear it because it's so exotic that not a single organization, including the NRA, is it's champion.tmiddles wrote:...a nuclear war head must be legal in your opinions if the constitution is to be followed.All weapons are legal. |
07-06-2020 12:35 | |
Into the Night★★★★★ (21877) |
tmiddles wrote:Into the Night wrote:I think you, IBD and GFM have made your very unique and bazaar point of view very clear. It would be a terrifying world to live in but I need not fear it because it's so exotic that not a single organization, including the NRA, is it's champion.tmiddles wrote:...a nuclear war head must be legal in your opinions if the constitution is to be followed.All weapons are legal. You don't get to speak for everyone. You do not get to speak for the members of the NRA. You only get to speak for you. All weapons are legal. Hoplophobia. You don't get to change the Constitution. You are surrounded by people that own guns, swords, knives capable of killing, explosives and people that know how to make them and use them, and the chemicals needed to make all kinds of nerve agents and toxic gas as well as people that know how to make these agents and toxic gases. You already live in fear, and there's nothing you can do about it. The Parrot Killer Debunked in my sig. - tmiddles Google keeps track of paranoid talk and i'm not on their list. I've been evaluated and certified. - keepit nuclear powered ships do not require nuclear fuel. - Swan While it is true that fossils do not burn it is also true that fossil fuels burn very well - Swan Edited on 07-06-2020 12:39 |
08-06-2020 01:19 | |
keepit★★★★★ (3126) |
Think of what the Justices do as manipulating 0's and 1's. It's not interpreting. Some people say it is but so what. Weapons can be limited for practical purposes. Justices decide many cases on the basis of practicality. Free speech can be limited as in not being allowed to yell fire in a crowded theatre. It's not practical. Freedom to have nuclear weapons isn't practical. Ban them. There you have it, 0's and 1's and practicality. Edited on 08-06-2020 01:21 |
08-06-2020 01:30 | |
IBdaMann★★★★★ (14507) |
keepit wrote: Weapons can be limited for practical purposes. Are you saying that the right to keep and bear arms can be infringed for practical purposes? Are you saying that the government, including a tyrannical government, gets to determine what's "practical"? keepit wrote: Free speech can be limited as in not being allowed to yell fire in a crowded theatre. That's not a limit on speech. That's a limit on action. Laws make actions illegal, not speech. There is nothing illegal about the exclamation "Fire!" . I don't think i can [define it]. I just kind of get a feel for the phrase. - keepit A Spaghetti strainer with the faucet running, retains water- tmiddles Clouds don't trap heat. Clouds block cold. - Spongy Iris Printing dollars to pay debt doesn't increase the number of dollars. - keepit If Venus were a black body it would have a much much lower temperature than what we found there.- tmiddles Ah the "Valid Data" myth of ITN/IBD. - tmiddles Ceist - I couldn't agree with you more. But when money and religion are involved, and there are people who value them above all else, then the lies begin. - trafn You are completely misunderstanding their use of the word "accumulation"! - Climate Scientist. The Stefan-Boltzman equation doesn't come up with the correct temperature if greenhouse gases are not considered - Hank :*sigh* Not the "raw data" crap. - Leafsdude IB STILL hasn't explained what Planck's Law means. Just more hand waving that it applies to everything and more asserting that the greenhouse effect 'violates' it.- Ceist |
08-06-2020 01:33 | |
keepit★★★★★ (3126) |
IBD, Don't you get tired of semantics. Your semantics don't convince me of anything. |
08-06-2020 01:35 | |
IBdaMann★★★★★ (14507) |
keepit, don't you get tired of ignorance? ... or is it exactly the bliss you've been searching for all your life? . Attached image: |
08-06-2020 03:51 | |
Into the Night★★★★★ (21877) |
keepit wrote: False dichotomy fallacy. False equivalence fallacy. keepit wrote: It is. Your attempt at undefining 'interpret' isn't going to wash. keepit wrote: You know very well what. You are just trying to undefine 'interpret' to avoid dealing with the Constitution that you keep denying. keepit wrote: All weapons are legal. YOU don't get to decide what is 'practical', and neither does the court. keepit wrote: They have not authority to interpret or change the Constitution. keepit wrote: Not by the federal government. Congress can pass no law limiting free speech. States can, however, since the 1st amendment does not apply to them. They each follow their own constitutions. keepit wrote: It is practical. And it works. Remember, the 2nd amendment is not the first amendment. keepit wrote: YOU don't get to decide what is 'practical' or to limit or ban guns based on 'practicality'. Neither does the court. There is nothing in the 2nd amendment that mentions 'practical'. Adding 'practical' to the Constitution is changing the Constitution. keepit wrote: Invalid proof by false equivalence, by irrelevance, by false authority, by bulverism, and by conflation. You have a bad case of hoplophobia. The Parrot Killer Debunked in my sig. - tmiddles Google keeps track of paranoid talk and i'm not on their list. I've been evaluated and certified. - keepit nuclear powered ships do not require nuclear fuel. - Swan While it is true that fossils do not burn it is also true that fossil fuels burn very well - Swan |
08-06-2020 03:52 | |
Into the Night★★★★★ (21877) |
keepit wrote: No semantics involved here. YOU are trying to raise a semantic argument out of nothing. It's what you idiot liberals do. The Parrot Killer Debunked in my sig. - tmiddles Google keeps track of paranoid talk and i'm not on their list. I've been evaluated and certified. - keepit nuclear powered ships do not require nuclear fuel. - Swan While it is true that fossils do not burn it is also true that fossil fuels burn very well - Swan |
08-06-2020 04:34 | |
keepit★★★★★ (3126) |
ITN, I'm not an idiot. I checked with Wikipedia. It declared me a non-idiot. Go to Wikipedia and see for yourself. They keep a list. Edited on 08-06-2020 04:40 |
08-06-2020 17:24 | |
gfm7175★★★★★ (3314) |
tmiddles wrote:IBdaMann wrote:You have all be crystal clear now. Any weapon from a switch blade to a nuclear war head must be legal in your opinions if the constitution is to be followed. Yup. tmiddles wrote: You don't speak for others. tmiddles wrote: Ignoring the fact that you have not spoken to (nor asked) "all people of all time", and the fact that you don't speak for others, you're arguing a paradox, dude... [1] Nobody (in all time) agrees with IBdaMann. [2] ITN and gfm7175 agree with IBdaMann. My "favorite" (not) uncle also loves to argue such paradoxes, due to his habitual lying about damn near everything. He also has a difficult time keeping track of his lies (his stories change each time they're told). It's much better to just be honest in your dealings with others. tmiddles wrote: Ignored on sight. A court case is not the US Constitution. Edited on 08-06-2020 17:30 |
08-06-2020 19:09 | |
keepit★★★★★ (3126) |
The Supreme Court Justices are doing Judicial Review. Forget the word "interpret" if you don't like it. "Judicial Review" is officially ok for the Supreme Court to do. I don't know what else they do. Dictionary.com -- Judicial Review - the power of a court to evaluate the constitutionality of a law. Edited on 08-06-2020 19:24 |
08-06-2020 19:13 | |
gfm7175★★★★★ (3314) |
keepit wrote: ARF. Rejection of the US Constitution. |
08-06-2020 19:44 | |
IBdaMann★★★★★ (14507) |
tmiddles wrote: The Supreme Court clarified in DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA et al. v. HELLER that: The Second Amendment protects an individual right to possess a firearm unconnected with service in a militia, and to use that arm for traditionally lawful purposes, such as self-defense within the home. Also, the handgun ban and the trigger-lock requirement (as applied to self-defense) violate the Second Amendment. The District's total ban on handgun possession in the home amounts to a prohibition on an entire class of "arms" that Americans overwhelmingly choose for the lawful purpose of self-defense. Under any of the standards of scrutiny the Court has applied to enumerated constitutional rights, this prohibition—in the place where the importance of the lawful defense of self, family, and property is most acute—would fail constitutional muster. Similarly, the requirement that any lawful firearm in the home be disassembled or bound by a trigger lock makes it impossible for citizens to use arms for the core lawful purpose of self-defense and is hence unconstitutional. . I don't think i can [define it]. I just kind of get a feel for the phrase. - keepit A Spaghetti strainer with the faucet running, retains water- tmiddles Clouds don't trap heat. Clouds block cold. - Spongy Iris Printing dollars to pay debt doesn't increase the number of dollars. - keepit If Venus were a black body it would have a much much lower temperature than what we found there.- tmiddles Ah the "Valid Data" myth of ITN/IBD. - tmiddles Ceist - I couldn't agree with you more. But when money and religion are involved, and there are people who value them above all else, then the lies begin. - trafn You are completely misunderstanding their use of the word "accumulation"! - Climate Scientist. The Stefan-Boltzman equation doesn't come up with the correct temperature if greenhouse gases are not considered - Hank :*sigh* Not the "raw data" crap. - Leafsdude IB STILL hasn't explained what Planck's Law means. Just more hand waving that it applies to everything and more asserting that the greenhouse effect 'violates' it.- Ceist |
08-06-2020 19:50 | |
keepit★★★★★ (3126) |
IBD, Don't forget, there are precedents that limit the amendments in a practical way such as the prohibition of yelling "fire" in a crowded theater. It's one of the first things they teach you in law school. As an analogy it would be practical to limit the possession of plutonium by private individuals even though plutonium is a weapon. As a matter of fact there are laws pertaining to possession of radioactive material. You should be grateful that there is no law preventing the possession of a haywire mind like you have. |
08-06-2020 21:11 | |
Into the Night★★★★★ (21877) |
keepit wrote: HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! The Parrot Killer Debunked in my sig. - tmiddles Google keeps track of paranoid talk and i'm not on their list. I've been evaluated and certified. - keepit nuclear powered ships do not require nuclear fuel. - Swan While it is true that fossils do not burn it is also true that fossil fuels burn very well - Swan |
08-06-2020 21:14 | |
Into the Night★★★★★ (21877) |
keepit wrote: The Supreme court does not have authority to change or interpret the Constitution. keepit wrote: Trying for your semantic argument out of nothing again, eh? keepit wrote: The Supreme court does not not have authority to change or interpret the Constitution. keepit wrote: The Supreme court does not have authority to 'evaluate', interpret, or change the Constitution. The Parrot Killer Debunked in my sig. - tmiddles Google keeps track of paranoid talk and i'm not on their list. I've been evaluated and certified. - keepit nuclear powered ships do not require nuclear fuel. - Swan While it is true that fossils do not burn it is also true that fossil fuels burn very well - Swan |
08-06-2020 21:18 | |
Xadoman★★★★☆ (1036) |
Here in Estonia I thank god that people do not have much firearms because estonians and russians like to drink a lot of alcohol. On the other hand I understand why the situation in the US is different. Black people are physically much more stronger than white and it would be a nightmare to live there being white if you do not have a way do defend yourself. |
08-06-2020 21:19 | |
IBdaMann★★★★★ (14507) |
keepit wrote: IBD,Don't forget, there are precedents that limit the amendments in a practical way such as the prohibition of yelling "fire" in a crowded theater. I just addressed this. There is nothing illegal about the exclamation "Fire!" Dangerous and disruptive behavior, however, can be prohibited. Free speech cannot be assailed. Actions, however, can be. It's one of the first things they teach you in law school. keepit wrote: As an analogy it would be practical to limit the possession of plutonium by private individuals even though plutonium is a weapon. Plutonium cannot be barred as a weapon nor can any right to keep and bear arms be infringed. Plutonium can, however, be regulated as a hazardous material. keepit wrote: As a matter of fact there are laws pertaining to possession of radioactive material. ... which are not laws pertaining to weapons. Attached image: |
08-06-2020 21:29 | |
Into the Night★★★★★ (21877) |
keepit wrote: It is legal to yell "fire" in a crowded theater. keepit wrote: Get your money back. Your law school sucks. keepit wrote: The word 'practical' does not exist in the Constitution of the United States. keepit wrote: it is legal to own plutonium. keepit wrote: Anything can be a weapon. A handful of coins can be a weapon. A magazine can be a weapon. keepit wrote: Only as to the manner of possessing it. Keep the stuff shielded and properly handled. Otherwise it is legal to possess plutonium or uranium. I can buy uranium ore right now on Amazon. Not much different for possessing explosives, which I do. keepit wrote: You are still trying to make an extreme argument. That is a fallacy. All weapons are legal. The Parrot Killer Debunked in my sig. - tmiddles Google keeps track of paranoid talk and i'm not on their list. I've been evaluated and certified. - keepit nuclear powered ships do not require nuclear fuel. - Swan While it is true that fossils do not burn it is also true that fossil fuels burn very well - Swan Edited on 08-06-2020 21:31 |
08-06-2020 22:09 | |
keepit★★★★★ (3126) |
ITN, You misinterpreted my post again but no surprise there. I didn't go to law school but it's generous of you to think i did. |
08-06-2020 23:15 | |
Into the Night★★★★★ (21877) |
keepit wrote: Not a bit of it. Now you are going to try to deny what you said (typical liberal). keepit wrote: I know you didn't go to law school. It's obvious. Strawman fallacy. The Parrot Killer Debunked in my sig. - tmiddles Google keeps track of paranoid talk and i'm not on their list. I've been evaluated and certified. - keepit nuclear powered ships do not require nuclear fuel. - Swan While it is true that fossils do not burn it is also true that fossil fuels burn very well - Swan Edited on 08-06-2020 23:16 |
09-06-2020 00:50 | |
keepit★★★★★ (3126) |
IBD, Don't forget that yelling "fire" in a crowded theater is both and action and a "speech". There is often more than one meaning to a single word. That is where many of your interpretations occur i would say. |
09-06-2020 01:57 | |
Into the Night★★★★★ (21877) |
keepit wrote: It is legal to yell "fire" in a crowded theater. The Parrot Killer Debunked in my sig. - tmiddles Google keeps track of paranoid talk and i'm not on their list. I've been evaluated and certified. - keepit nuclear powered ships do not require nuclear fuel. - Swan While it is true that fossils do not burn it is also true that fossil fuels burn very well - Swan |
09-06-2020 02:57 | |
keepit★★★★★ (3126) |
You misconstrued my post ITN. It's illegal to yell "fire" in a crowded theater if there is no fire. |
09-06-2020 03:25 | |
Into the Night★★★★★ (21877) |
keepit wrote: Lie. It is legal to yell "fire" in a crowded theater. The Parrot Killer Debunked in my sig. - tmiddles Google keeps track of paranoid talk and i'm not on their list. I've been evaluated and certified. - keepit nuclear powered ships do not require nuclear fuel. - Swan While it is true that fossils do not burn it is also true that fossil fuels burn very well - Swan |
09-06-2020 16:22 | |
gfm7175★★★★★ (3314) |
keepit wrote: What if I yelled "squirrel" in a crowded theater? ... or "water"... or "shark"... or "Donald Trump"?? There is nothing illegal about yelling "fire" in a crowded theater. Edited on 09-06-2020 16:24 |
10-06-2020 13:12 | |
tmiddles★★★★★ (3979) |
gfm7175 wrote:There is nothing illegal about yelling "fire" in a crowded theater.So you would agree with ITN that along with a convicted felon owning a nuclear warhead any type of speech is legal right GFM? So if someone posted your social security number, credit cards, bank, and other personal and private details online that would be legal in your view. Or if someone yelled "detonate the bomb now Billy" in a crowded theater prior to their comrade Billy detonating the bomb, that would also be legal speech right? I mean in your view (it's actually super illegal and you guys are super wrong). Or what if you said something that wasn't true in court? Gave false testimony. That's speech. That legal too? Hey, how about on our podcast you speak James Patterson's new novel, word for word, chapter by chapter. That's a whole lot of illegal speech because it's a copyright violation. Also does it make sense that the constitution would override laws that existed, and were not repealed nor was their discussion of them being repealed, prior to the Constitution being ratified, without the Constitution itself dealing with them? Edited on 10-06-2020 13:13 |
10-06-2020 16:55 | |
gfm7175★★★★★ (3314) |
tmiddles wrote:gfm7175 wrote:There is nothing illegal about yelling "fire" in a crowded theater.So you would agree with ITN that along with a convicted felon owning a nuclear warhead any type of speech is legal right GFM? RE: the words of yours that I have underlined... Don't think that I didn't catch what you are attempting to do there, you sly lil tpiddles you... RQAA. tmiddles wrote: This would be an act of disclosing the private/personal information of others, not speech. There is nothing illegal about posting numbers online (such as 342782149238). RQAA. tmiddles wrote: There is nothing illegal about yelling the words "detonate the bomb now Billy". RQAA. tmiddles wrote: No, that would be perjury. RQAA. tmiddles wrote: No, that would be the unauthorized distribution of the intellectual property of others. RQAA. tmiddles wrote: RQAA. |
10-06-2020 23:45 | |
tmiddles★★★★★ (3979) |
gfm7175 wrote:There is if it's instructing Billy to detonate the bomb! So you concur with the court on fraud and intellectual property limits (neither of which appear in the 1st amendment). Why is that? (again they do not appear in the 1st amendment at all). Why don't you concur with the courts on: Incitement to imminent lawless action True threats Solicitations to commit crimes ? You seem selective. |
11-06-2020 00:40 | |
gfm7175★★★★★ (3314) |
tmiddles wrote:gfm7175 wrote:There is if it's instructing Billy to detonate the bomb! RQAA. Read through the Constitution sometime... |
11-06-2020 01:03 | |
tmiddles★★★★★ (3979) |
gfm7175 wrote:Awe ducking out so soon GFM? I looked and Article VIII on identity theft seems to be missing. So why is it that the crimes of disorderly conduct, criminal endangerment, inducing panic, that yelling fire in a theater make a speaker guilty of are somehow erased by the first amendment? And are you saying that it IS illegal for a convicted felon to possess a nuclear warhead? Edited on 11-06-2020 01:04 |
11-06-2020 01:12 | |
IBdaMann★★★★★ (14507) |
tmiddles wrote:gfm7175 wrote:There is if it's instructing Billy to detonate the bomb! Correct. "Calls to action" are actions themselves and are illegal if the call to action is for something illegal. tmiddles wrote: You seem selective. I'm selective. Is that a bad thing? I discriminate! I have very discriminating tastes. I absolutely need my Turkish coffee prepared a certain way. Attached image: |
11-06-2020 01:14 | |
tmiddles★★★★★ (3979) |
IBdaMann wrote: But you don't agree yelling fire in a crowded theater is criminal? |
11-06-2020 01:15 | |
IBdaMann★★★★★ (14507) |
tmiddles wrote:And are you saying that it IS illegal for a convicted felon to possess a nuclear warhead? What is it you are saying? . I don't think i can [define it]. I just kind of get a feel for the phrase. - keepit A Spaghetti strainer with the faucet running, retains water- tmiddles Clouds don't trap heat. Clouds block cold. - Spongy Iris Printing dollars to pay debt doesn't increase the number of dollars. - keepit If Venus were a black body it would have a much much lower temperature than what we found there.- tmiddles Ah the "Valid Data" myth of ITN/IBD. - tmiddles Ceist - I couldn't agree with you more. But when money and religion are involved, and there are people who value them above all else, then the lies begin. - trafn You are completely misunderstanding their use of the word "accumulation"! - Climate Scientist. The Stefan-Boltzman equation doesn't come up with the correct temperature if greenhouse gases are not considered - Hank :*sigh* Not the "raw data" crap. - Leafsdude IB STILL hasn't explained what Planck's Law means. Just more hand waving that it applies to everything and more asserting that the greenhouse effect 'violates' it.- Ceist |
11-06-2020 01:18 | |
Into the Night★★★★★ (21877) |
tmiddles wrote:Nuclear warheads are not a form of speech.gfm7175 wrote:There is nothing illegal about yelling "fire" in a crowded theater.So you would agree with ITN that along with a convicted felon owning a nuclear warhead any type of speech is legal right GFM? tmiddles wrote:Illegal. It is violation of contract. tmiddles wrote:Yelling "detonate the bomb now Billy" is legal in crowded theaters. Detonating a bomb in crowded theaters is not. It is also not a form of speech. It is assault with a deadly weapon, and quite probably murder. tmiddles wrote: I you want to lie in court, that's your business. Because you also made an oath to tell the truth, that becomes perjury, a punishable offense. It is like any other fraud. tmiddles wrote:Free speech does not mean speech without consequences of that free speech, idiot. tmiddles wrote: Irrelevant. No argument presented. Semantic games. RQAA. The Parrot Killer Debunked in my sig. - tmiddles Google keeps track of paranoid talk and i'm not on their list. I've been evaluated and certified. - keepit nuclear powered ships do not require nuclear fuel. - Swan While it is true that fossils do not burn it is also true that fossil fuels burn very well - Swan Edited on 11-06-2020 01:19 |
11-06-2020 01:18 | |
tmiddles★★★★★ (3979) |
IBdaMann wrote:That it's not unconstitutional for all types of weapons to be illegal for US citizens. Nuclear weapons among them.tmiddles wrote:And are you saying that it IS illegal for a convicted felon to possess a nuclear warhead? Was that in doubt? |
11-06-2020 01:20 | |
Into the Night★★★★★ (21877) |
tmiddles wrote:gfm7175 wrote:There is if it's instructing Billy to detonate the bomb! Semantic games. No argument presented. The Parrot Killer Debunked in my sig. - tmiddles Google keeps track of paranoid talk and i'm not on their list. I've been evaluated and certified. - keepit nuclear powered ships do not require nuclear fuel. - Swan While it is true that fossils do not burn it is also true that fossil fuels burn very well - Swan |
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