Corruption, which party is the greater problem?

keepit wrote:
Both Trump and Biden may be harmed by this investigation. They could both lose.

James___ wrote:

HarveyH55 wrote:
James, you've obviously haven't read the complaint yourself, and only relying on other people's interpretation of the facts. The media sensationalize a lot of stuff, to keep you coming back for more. It's a creative interpretation, fantasy, and usually forgive, do to the lack of information available. As long as the keep it to opinion, nothing ever comes of it. They can pretty much write anything they like, doesn't have to be accurate.

The CIA agent, yeah, I guess people around him aren't very loyal to him either, who wrote the complaint, clearly, and repeatedly makes clear that he didn't personally witness, or observe any of it. It's all based on conversation he had, or heard. It's yet to be established, if any of those people, had first hand knowledge, or just repeating what they were told, or heard other say.

It still seems kind of odd, that there would be a room full of people taking notes, for every presidential phone call, when recording it, would serve the same purpose, and be more accurate and complete. Does Trump's closest staff members go to the note taking room, every time he picks up the phone? I would think note takers are very high level employees, probably assigned specifically to the task, degree of loyalty unknown.

I'm not sure what all goes on in the White House, but this is the first ime I've heard about a CIA agent assigned there, to spy...

What about what Trump's own appointee testified to congress about. What were "HIS" words. You simply don't care.
What I know is that if Trump gets impeached you can't blame the Democrats but will. You're a great guy and you are an avid Trump supporter because he's a great guy as well. Yet if his own party is out to have him removed from office because they prefer Pence, where does that leave you?
Myself, I happen to agree with President Trump's National Security Advisor. Trump appointed him so he is Trump's man.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2019/08/08/trump-picks-joseph-maguire-acting-director-national-intelligence/1960848001/

tmiddles wrote: They can both go to hell.

IBdaMann wrote:

tmiddles wrote: They can both go to hell.

I don't understand why you don't relax. Biden is already out of the running and he's going to go down for his corruption. Trump can't even run in 2024.

Why won't you just join in and help make America great again instead of working to thwart the effort? After all, it's the country and all of us that matter.


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IBdaMann wrote:
Why won't you just join in and help make America great again...

tmiddles wrote:

IBdaMann wrote:
Why won't you just join in and help make America great again...

One of our strengths is that we don't swear allegiance to our Fuhrer

tmiddles wrote:
or take loyalty oaths to our government.

tmiddles wrote:
We should always improve and call BS anywhere we see it.

tmiddles wrote:
The blind faith Trumps basket of deplorables

tmiddles wrote:
have in him is the greatest danger I've ever seen the country face.

tmiddles wrote:
You've shown me how mindless you are in that reality itself can be set aside (Trump calling for a ban on Muslims become a "lie" in you twisted mind).

tmiddles wrote:
It's been a right wing movement for a while.

tmiddles wrote:
Smart people like Limbaugh and Coulter doing there best to make reality itself debatable (only democrats run up the deficit in their book for example).

tmiddles wrote:
And we now face it here on this forum in the form of you and ITN. You're here to try and destroy the value of science entirely.

tmiddles wrote:
To destroy what you view as the enemy your "side" faces.

tmiddles wrote:
Just remember that your "Art of the deal" blow hard is the most hated man I've ever known of.

tmiddles wrote:
Polls can't capture the level of contempt there is for that moron.

tmiddles wrote:
He's the most destructive force this countries had in the last 40 years at least.

tmiddles wrote:
If it was a business the board of directors would be crazy not to force him out.

James___ wrote:
Who else besides Billy knew about his recording?
It's possible that his firing was because of when the recording became known. The FBI was also criticized for when it made information known.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Billy_Bush

tmiddles wrote:

IBdaMann wrote:
Why won't you just join in and help make America great again...

One of our strengths is that we don't swear allegiance to our Fuhrer or take loyalty oaths to our government.

tmiddles wrote: We should always improve and call BS anywhere we see it.

tmiddles wrote: The blind faith Trumps basket of deplorables have in him is the greatest danger I've ever seen the country face.

HarveyH55 wrote:

James___ wrote:
Who else besides Billy knew about his recording?
It's possible that his firing was because of when the recording became known. The FBI was also criticized for when it made information known.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Billy_Bush

I doubt that tape was a secret, likely shared quite a bit. Hot-mike stuff like that is gold. Probably just amusing locker room talk at the time, several copies made. Not sure how Hilary got a hold of it, but that's what the Clinton's were good at. The Clintons were involved in the Russian investigation as well, but never investigate for their part. They essentially paid to get the ball rolling, and it really should have been investigated. They've had a few other questionable dealings, that never gotten the attention anyone else would have. Quite like to come up again though.

James___ wrote:What was it told me about if doctors make a mistake Harvey? Deal with it. My same advice to you about Biden and Trump.

James___ wrote: This is what the L. A. Times said about the War in Iraq 1 year into it:
The case for war was based on two key claims: that Hussein was on the verge of acquiring nuclear weapons, and that he had close ties to the Al Qaeda terrorists responsible for the atrocities of Sept. 11.

IBdaMann wrote:

James___ wrote:What was it told me about if doctors make a mistake Harvey? Deal with it. My same advice to you about Biden and Trump.

James__, what if the doctor does a great job, fixes you and then goes above and beyond to cure other ills that you have at the same time ... you'd certainly "deal with it," right?

We the People will "deal with it" just fine with Trump.

Biden is a non-issue. He's irrelevant. Biden will (likely) be prosecuted for his corruption. There doesn't seem to be any Trump corruption so all these baseless accusations are ultimately going to be a win for him.

James___ wrote: This is what the L. A. Times said about the War in Iraq 1 year into it:
The case for war was based on two key claims: that Hussein was on the verge of acquiring nuclear weapons, and that he had close ties to the Al Qaeda terrorists responsible for the atrocities of Sept. 11.

Nope. You allowed the LA Times to tool you.

The many reasons for the Iraq invasion are captured here in this UN resolution and in the mentioned references.


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James___ wrote:

HarveyH55 wrote:

James___ wrote:
Who else besides Billy knew about his recording?
It's possible that his firing was because of when the recording became known. The FBI was also criticized for when it made information known.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Billy_Bush

I doubt that tape was a secret, likely shared quite a bit. Hot-mike stuff like that is gold. Probably just amusing locker room talk at the time, several copies made. Not sure how Hilary got a hold of it, but that's what the Clinton's were good at. The Clintons were involved in the Russian investigation as well, but never investigate for their part. They essentially paid to get the ball rolling, and it really should have been investigated. They've had a few other questionable dealings, that never gotten the attention anyone else would have. Quite like to come up again though.

What was it told me about if doctors make a mistake Harvey? Deal with it. My same advice to you about Biden and Trump.

This is what the L. A. Times said about the War in Iraq 1 year into it:
The case for war was based on two key claims: that Hussein was on the verge of acquiring nuclear weapons, and that he had close ties to the Al Qaeda terrorists responsible for the atrocities of Sept. 11. Both claims proved to be demonstrably false.
https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-2004-mar-19-oe-kennedy19-story.html

That was one Hell of a free pass. You find nothing wrong with it. Probably why no one cared what Biden did in 2006. American was dealing with a bigger problem.
As for what Biden said in that interview, you need to show the communication associated with it. Watch Erin Brokovich. With Trump, a series of actions is known. There needs to be a trail.
Otherwise it's locker room talk like with the Tretapes.

James___ wrote:

IBdaMann wrote:

James___ wrote:What was it told me about if doctors make a mistake Harvey? Deal with it. My same advice to you about Biden and Trump.

James__, what if the doctor does a great job, fixes you and then goes above and beyond to cure other ills that you have at the same time ... you'd certainly "deal with it," right?

We the People will "deal with it" just fine with Trump.

Biden is a non-issue. He's irrelevant. Biden will (likely) be prosecuted for his corruption. There doesn't seem to be any Trump corruption so all these baseless accusations are ultimately going to be a win for him.

James___ wrote: This is what the L. A. Times said about the War in Iraq 1 year into it:
The case for war was based on two key claims: that Hussein was on the verge of acquiring nuclear weapons, and that he had close ties to the Al Qaeda terrorists responsible for the atrocities of Sept. 11.

Nope. You allowed the LA Times to tool you.

The many reasons for the Iraq invasion are captured here in this UN resolution and in the mentioned references.


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If things work out for me I'll probably go to another country. It's been over 10 years. Would you trust people like that?
Yet that is what America is about anymore.

p.s., doctors could've lied and fixed the problem years ago. This way they're keeping their money in their pocket while profiting from letting me suffer.

HarveyH55 wrote:

James___ wrote:

HarveyH55 wrote:

James___ wrote:
Who else besides Billy knew about his recording?
It's possible that his firing was because of when the recording became known. The FBI was also criticized for when it made information known.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Billy_Bush

I doubt that tape was a secret, likely shared quite a bit. Hot-mike stuff like that is gold. Probably just amusing locker room talk at the time, several copies made. Not sure how Hilary got a hold of it, but that's what the Clinton's were good at. The Clintons were involved in the Russian investigation as well, but never investigate for their part. They essentially paid to get the ball rolling, and it really should have been investigated. They've had a few other questionable dealings, that never gotten the attention anyone else would have. Quite like to come up again though.

What was it told me about if doctors make a mistake Harvey? Deal with it. My same advice to you about Biden and Trump.

This is what the L. A. Times said about the War in Iraq 1 year into it:
The case for war was based on two key claims: that Hussein was on the verge of acquiring nuclear weapons, and that he had close ties to the Al Qaeda terrorists responsible for the atrocities of Sept. 11. Both claims proved to be demonstrably false.
https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-2004-mar-19-oe-kennedy19-story.html

That was one Hell of a free pass. You find nothing wrong with it. Probably why no one cared what Biden did in 2006. American was dealing with a bigger problem.
As for what Biden said in that interview, you need to show the communication associated with it. Watch Erin Brokovich. With Trump, a series of actions is known. There needs to be a trail.
Otherwise it's locker room talk like with the Tretapes.

You had cancer, the doctor removed it 9 years ago, and hasn't come back. Not sure why that's a mistake, or upset over surviving. You do realize, that it's possible for people to be afflicted by more than on health problem during their life? What you do, is you deal with your problems, not complain about them. Like I told you last time, go to your doctor, for get your surgery, unless asked about it. Just tell the doctor you symptoms, let him diagnosis the problem from there. You need to quit telling them what your diagnosis is, and what they need to do to fix it. You are not a doctor, nor have the education in that field, to make a wild guess. If your doctor refers you to a 'specialist', you should go, since not all problems are physiological.

Iraq... Like I mentioned before, Saddam bragged and boasted a lot, and had the means to obtain weapons of mass destruction. We wouldn't have known, until after we took him down. We had every right to do so, since he didn't comply with the inspections he agreed to, after Daddy Bush took him out to woodshed, in the first gulf war. Iraq is a big country, just because we didn't find them, doesn't mean they never existed, or aren't still there. Not sure why Saddam's relationship was with terrorists, but I don't think they were friends. They weren't training there, or practicing on citizens, like most of the other countries around there. Saddam might have allow passage through Iraq, or his guards had an arrangement, but they weren't hanging around in Iraq. Saddam didn't like to share, be threatened, or take crap off anyone, even his own people. The heavy fisted dictator, absolute power.

As for what Biden said in that interview, you need to show the communication associated with it. Watch Erin Brokovich. With Trump, a series of actions is known. There needs to be a trail.
Otherwise it's locker room talk like with the Tretapes.

Not sure what this is suppose to mean. The Biden clip I linked, didn't say where it came from. Didn't seem to matter, since it was Biden, and the full account, in his own words, on video. Are you saying it was altered? Did Biden later admit it was a lie? I remembered the Hunter issue from 2016, Trump was campaigning.

With Trump, does the House have documents showing that the Ukraine knew the aid money was on hold? They say two days before the call. Pretty sure that money wasn't in a hurry to get there, Ukraine wouldn't have know, unless told. Hunter Biden got millions out of his Ukraine gig, not all of it salary either. His California law firm was wired money several times, each for $89,000... Isn't $90,000 and above, the threshold for special attention from the government?

James___ wrote:

HarveyH55 wrote:

James___ wrote:

HarveyH55 wrote:

James___ wrote:
Who else besides Billy knew about his recording?
It's possible that his firing was because of when the recording became known. The FBI was also criticized for when it made information known.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Billy_Bush

I doubt that tape was a secret, likely shared quite a bit. Hot-mike stuff like that is gold. Probably just amusing locker room talk at the time, several copies made. Not sure how Hilary got a hold of it, but that's what the Clinton's were good at. The Clintons were involved in the Russian investigation as well, but never investigate for their part. They essentially paid to get the ball rolling, and it really should have been investigated. They've had a few other questionable dealings, that never gotten the attention anyone else would have. Quite like to come up again though.

What was it told me about if doctors make a mistake Harvey? Deal with it. My same advice to you about Biden and Trump.

This is what the L. A. Times said about the War in Iraq 1 year into it:
The case for war was based on two key claims: that Hussein was on the verge of acquiring nuclear weapons, and that he had close ties to the Al Qaeda terrorists responsible for the atrocities of Sept. 11. Both claims proved to be demonstrably false.
https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-2004-mar-19-oe-kennedy19-story.html

That was one Hell of a free pass. You find nothing wrong with it. Probably why no one cared what Biden did in 2006. American was dealing with a bigger problem.
As for what Biden said in that interview, you need to show the communication associated with it. Watch Erin Brokovich. With Trump, a series of actions is known. There needs to be a trail.
Otherwise it's locker room talk like with the Tretapes.

You had cancer, the doctor removed it 9 years ago, and hasn't come back. Not sure why that's a mistake, or upset over surviving. You do realize, that it's possible for people to be afflicted by more than on health problem during their life? What you do, is you deal with your problems, not complain about them. Like I told you last time, go to your doctor, for get your surgery, unless asked about it. Just tell the doctor you symptoms, let him diagnosis the problem from there. You need to quit telling them what your diagnosis is, and what they need to do to fix it. You are not a doctor, nor have the education in that field, to make a wild guess. If your doctor refers you to a 'specialist', you should go, since not all problems are physiological.

Iraq... Like I mentioned before, Saddam bragged and boasted a lot, and had the means to obtain weapons of mass destruction. We wouldn't have known, until after we took him down. We had every right to do so, since he didn't comply with the inspections he agreed to, after Daddy Bush took him out to woodshed, in the first gulf war. Iraq is a big country, just because we didn't find them, doesn't mean they never existed, or aren't still there. Not sure why Saddam's relationship was with terrorists, but I don't think they were friends. They weren't training there, or practicing on citizens, like most of the other countries around there. Saddam might have allow passage through Iraq, or his guards had an arrangement, but they weren't hanging around in Iraq. Saddam didn't like to share, be threatened, or take crap off anyone, even his own people. The heavy fisted dictator, absolute power.

As for what Biden said in that interview, you need to show the communication associated with it. Watch Erin Brokovich. With Trump, a series of actions is known. There needs to be a trail.
Otherwise it's locker room talk like with the Tretapes.

Not sure what this is suppose to mean. The Biden clip I linked, didn't say where it came from. Didn't seem to matter, since it was Biden, and the full account, in his own words, on video. Are you saying it was altered? Did Biden later admit it was a lie? I remembered the Hunter issue from 2016, Trump was campaigning.

With Trump, does the House have documents showing that the Ukraine knew the aid money was on hold? They say two days before the call. Pretty sure that money wasn't in a hurry to get there, Ukraine wouldn't have know, unless told. Hunter Biden got millions out of his Ukraine gig, not all of it salary either. His California law firm was wired money several times, each for $89,000... Isn't $90,000 and above, the threshold for special attention from the government?

You sound like a moron Harvey. I am also mindful that you live alone. I guess that's because your opinion means that much to you. Just no compromising in you. I'm not that way.

Harvey, I actually think you are very sick. Trying to shame a cancer survivor because they'd like to have a life in the US. That is absolutely morbid. That's basically what Nazis were accused of.
Or are you saying that when Nazis did experiments on people that as long as they were alive, what's the problem again because there isn't one.

James___ wrote:
. ....I've never heard someone say that the US is a good place to live. I've never heard anyone say that they have a good life. Things Americans don't say.

James___ wrote:
. ....I've never heard someone say that the US is a good place to live. I've never heard anyone say that they have a good life. Things Americans don't say.

IBdaMann wrote:

James___ wrote:
. ....I've never heard someone say that the US is a good place to live. I've never heard anyone say that they have a good life. Things Americans don't say.

The United States is a good place to live. I have a good life. I am an American.
Anyone else?

HarveyH55 wrote:
What? You find out you are wrong about the topic of the thread, so you whine about you personal problem instead? Why do you live in America, if you hate it so much? You've obviously had the opinion a long time, why haven't you migrated to a better life, rather than suffer in a hostile environment? Nobody lives for ever, so why waste a moment, living here, when there other options? You've had time to save enough to move. I hear Canada isn't a bad place to live, fantastic socialist health care, if you can wait a few weeks for treatment. You've waited 9 years, certainly wouldn't be such a long wait. What's the matter, passport issues, and nobody will let you travel?

James___ wrote:
@Harvey, when I was in Perth, Australia while serving in the US Navy that I got the clue. They treated me no differently than anyone else. I was just another bloke/mate.
I sure as hell wasn't special, I was just another person. That's why I like Australia.

James___ wrote:

HarveyH55 wrote:
What? You find out you are wrong about the topic of the thread, so you whine about you personal problem instead? Why do you live in America, if you hate it so much? You've obviously had the opinion a long time, why haven't you migrated to a better life, rather than suffer in a hostile environment? Nobody lives for ever, so why waste a moment, living here, when there other options? You've had time to save enough to move. I hear Canada isn't a bad place to live, fantastic socialist health care, if you can wait a few weeks for treatment. You've waited 9 years, certainly wouldn't be such a long wait. What's the matter, passport issues, and nobody will let you travel?

I'm not wrong. You're just frigging stupid. To give you a clue, I served in the armed forces while you did not. You were too good to serve your own country.
Isn't America worth serving? If you didn't serve, just shut up. You and your friends don't think America is worth serving.
And that's about everyone in this forum. You want.
And Harvey, chances are I will have surgery in another country.
Myself, I wanted to have a life in my country.
As you said, I am not welcome here. I am aware of that. Why contingency plans are made.

I have 2 service connected disabilities that ruined my life. People who never served don't get it.
Both disabilities concern my hearing/ears. Have the police record to prove it. Police do not differentiate between disability and criminal behavior. Their training teaches them to recognize criminal behavior.
If a person limps because a motor vehicle struck them at 50 mph, they are intoxicated. Slurred speach? Drugs or alcohol but not a hearing loss. The police are trained observers. They recognize criminal behavior.
The police are not aware of foreign accents. White people speak Engleske. Right?

Into the Night wrote:

tmiddles wrote:
You've shown me how mindless you are in that reality itself can be set aside (Trump calling for a ban on Muslims become a "lie" in you twisted mind).

He never called for a ban on Muslims. ....

tmiddles wrote:

GasGuzzler wrote:

tmiddles wrote:So Gas Guzzler. Maybe you're willing to parse...

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You called it a ban on Muslims That would actually be offensive.
You never called it a temporary travel ban on people from Muslim countries...the people that have been slaughtering Americans. What's not to get? What's offensive about keeping the US safe? He's doing his job, some thing we're not used to from most politicians.

Oh man, this is just too rich! You guys are amazing.

OK as it's only a 30 sec spot I'm going to give the whole transcript:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2UoQff8MMVM
"I'm Donald Trump and I approve this message.

The politicians can pretend it's something else but Donald Trump calls it radical islamic terrorism.

That's why he's calling for a temporary shut down of Muslim's entering the United States until we can figure out what's going on.

He'll quickly cut the heads off ISIS and take their oil.

And he'll stop illegal imigration by building a wall on our southern border that Mexico will pay for.

We will make america great again."


That's everything exactly as it's said in the 30 second spot.

So I'm ready! Lay it on me. What do you see there that somehow changes the message "Ban on Muslims" ??

IBdaMann wrote:No one asked you to worship anyone.

Into the Night wrote:
You could always just go to another country and die under government health care.

tmiddles wrote:

Into the Night wrote:
You could always just go to another country and die under government health care.

https://www.internationalinsurance.com/health/systems/

tmiddles wrote: I think [Trump]'s the worst thing to ever happen to [The country]

James___ wrote: 37th is better than 18th. It really is and costs only 67% more. Do the math, those Brits are being ripped off.

Our health care is just better. We get what we pay for.
On a side note, Brits might not be as fat as Americans. I think there might be some Americans who aren't obese.
We're ranked 16th in the world. I think we can do better. Butt Americans can do it. They're not afraid of hard work. Can you order an extra pizza this week? We all need to do our part.

James___ wrote: Harvey, as far as Biden goes, someone who is in the government but not Trump should've asked if congress or the Justice Sept. ever investigated his claims.

James___ wrote: That would've been the right way to pursue it.

IBdaMann wrote:

tmiddles wrote: I think [Trump]'s the worst thing to ever happen to [The country]

So slavery was better than Trump? The Civil War was better than Trump? 9/11 was better than Trump?
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tmiddles wrote:

IBdaMann wrote:

tmiddles wrote: I think [Trump]'s the worst thing to ever happen to [The country]

So slavery was better than Trump? The Civil War was better than Trump? 9/11 was better than Trump?
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Single thing, he's one man. No one man has ever been worse news for this country.

tmiddles wrote: He's more of a threat to this country than any other human on Earth.

tmiddles wrote:Thanks to you of course.