Zombie apocolypse

tmiddles wrote:

IBdaMann wrote:

tmiddles wrote:Ah the grand conspiracy theory without a single whistle blower, shred of evidence or coherent motive.

Aaaah, the typical denial of politics.

There have been plenty of whistle-blowers.

Really? Such as?

HarveyH55 wrote:
Cold and flu viruses don't actually kill anyone, is alway complications, from the immune response or treatment.

Also true of bullets. It's the blood loss generally.

I guess a lot of people REALLY die of blood loss and people claim it's bullets.

IBdaMann wrote:The coronaflu coincided exactly with the flu season.

Nope.
Covid death spike in NY.
Flu season in New York (2010-2011):

Check those dates IBD. Glad I could help disabuse you of your error.

IBdaMann wrote:All the numbers and statistics are dishonest fabrications

How's the search for that whistleblower coming along IBD?

GasGuzzler wrote:
Quote from my doctor.
"I wish the president would just speak his mind like he used to.This is ridiculous! Can we please go back to work already?"

HarveyH55 wrote:...did you bother to read the footnotes, under the first graph? The second on, is pretty much as posted earlier, where any death, that had any possible relation to Covid-19, ....

GasGuzzler wrote:

tmiddles wrote:

GasGuzzler wrote:...talk to any doctors lately? Any one of them that's honest will tell you ...

Hey that's a great lead-in to a citation!

So? What do we have from doctors you'd like to share?

As of 2016, there were over 950,000 practicing physicians in the United States.

Also you've got retired doctors, or retiring doctors with nothing to lose.

So I'm sure we can get the honest scoop.

Quote from lifelong friend who's been a VA nurse for a decade.
"Masks are stupid! Borderline worthless. The media has made the public fearful, therefore easier to manipulate".

Quote from a family friend who is a very respected periodontist.
"The Corona virus is nothing to worry about if you are otherwise healthy. Your odds of dying from this are astronomically low unless you have underlying conditions. If it was Ebola I'd gladly stay in my home."

Quote from my wife's doctor.
"I'm nearly certain you had covid in early January."

Quote from my daughter's doctor(North Dakota)
"I think you had covid in December. I could do an antibodies test but that could open up an ethics can of worms."

Quote from my doctor.
"I wish the president would just speak his mind like he used to.This is ridiculous! Can we please go back to work already?"

Obviously these are all personal and unverifiable. They mean nothing here, I get it. But you asked and these are the conversations I have had.

GasGuzzler wrote:
They are afraid of liability lawsuits. If they don't follow government guidelines the could be held liable for your stupidity.

DRKTS wrote: My health care provider (8 doctors): All the doctors are sheltering at home and only doing zoom consultations or telephone consultations.

IBdaMann wrote:

DRKTS wrote: My health care provider (8 doctors): All the doctors are sheltering at home and only doing zoom consultations or telephone consultations.

Because they will get fired if they don't.


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DRKTS wrote:

IBdaMann wrote:

DRKTS wrote: My health care provider (8 doctors): All the doctors are sheltering at home and only doing zoom consultations or telephone consultations.

Because they will get fired if they don't.


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And you base that on what evidence?

Making stuff up is not a valid counter argument

IBdaMann wrote:
I wouldn't be surprised if the actual number of COVID-19-caused deaths is a big fat ZERO. Nobody can produce a single verified one and I can't even find anyone who has the coronavirus, although I acknowledge that those exist.

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DRKTS wrote:

GasGuzzler wrote:

tmiddles wrote:

GasGuzzler wrote:...talk to any doctors lately? Any one of them that's honest will tell you ...

Hey that's a great lead-in to a citation!

So? What do we have from doctors you'd like to share?

As of 2016, there were over 950,000 practicing physicians in the United States.

Also you've got retired doctors, or retiring doctors with nothing to lose.

So I'm sure we can get the honest scoop.

Quote from lifelong friend who's been a VA nurse for a decade.
"Masks are stupid! Borderline worthless. The media has made the public fearful, therefore easier to manipulate".

Quote from a family friend who is a very respected periodontist.
"The Corona virus is nothing to worry about if you are otherwise healthy. Your odds of dying from this are astronomically low unless you have underlying conditions. If it was Ebola I'd gladly stay in my home."

Quote from my wife's doctor.
"I'm nearly certain you had covid in early January."

Quote from my daughter's doctor(North Dakota)
"I think you had covid in December. I could do an antibodies test but that could open up an ethics can of worms."

Quote from my doctor.
"I wish the president would just speak his mind like he used to.This is ridiculous! Can we please go back to work already?"

Obviously these are all personal and unverifiable. They mean nothing here, I get it. But you asked and these are the conversations I have had.

My health care provider (8 doctors): All the doctors are sheltering at home and only doing zoom consultations or telephone consultations. If they think the problem is serious they will refer you to the local hospital. Same for my wife's doctor.

keepit wrote:
Has anyone heard any medical reports about the covid affecting the brain? It certainly affects the sense of smell and sense of taste.

gfm7175 wrote:I've so far personally known two people who have contracted the virus (my cousin and her husband). She is a nurse, and he got it from her. They are both doing just fine.

I haven't managed to knowingly contract it yet, and I take it that you haven't either, given your best efforts to do so.

HarveyH55 wrote:

DRKTS wrote:

GasGuzzler wrote:

tmiddles wrote:

GasGuzzler wrote:...talk to any doctors lately? Any one of them that's honest will tell you ...

Hey that's a great lead-in to a citation!

So? What do we have from doctors you'd like to share?

As of 2016, there were over 950,000 practicing physicians in the United States.

Also you've got retired doctors, or retiring doctors with nothing to lose.

So I'm sure we can get the honest scoop.

Quote from lifelong friend who's been a VA nurse for a decade.
"Masks are stupid! Borderline worthless. The media has made the public fearful, therefore easier to manipulate".

Quote from a family friend who is a very respected periodontist.
"The Corona virus is nothing to worry about if you are otherwise healthy. Your odds of dying from this are astronomically low unless you have underlying conditions. If it was Ebola I'd gladly stay in my home."

Quote from my wife's doctor.
"I'm nearly certain you had covid in early January."

Quote from my daughter's doctor(North Dakota)
"I think you had covid in December. I could do an antibodies test but that could open up an ethics can of worms."

Quote from my doctor.
"I wish the president would just speak his mind like he used to.This is ridiculous! Can we please go back to work already?"

Obviously these are all personal and unverifiable. They mean nothing here, I get it. But you asked and these are the conversations I have had.

My health care provider (8 doctors): All the doctors are sheltering at home and only doing zoom consultations or telephone consultations. If they think the problem is serious they will refer you to the local hospital. Same for my wife's doctor.

You need 8 doctors? You must be totally messed up. No wonder you hide in the basement, like Joe Biden... Are they all medical doctors, or are there other 'issues'?

IBdaMann wrote:

gfm7175 wrote:I've so far personally known two people who have contracted the virus (my cousin and her husband). She is a nurse, and he got it from her. They are both doing just fine.

I haven't managed to knowingly contract it yet, and I take it that you haven't either, given your best efforts to do so.

If I could have visited your cousin and her husband, I would have been happy to supply the beer and pizza in order to have a long.close-quarters conversation with them about any topic that takes a lot of time to cover.

I envy you.

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GasGuzzler wrote:
They are afraid of liability lawsuits. If they don't follow government guidelines the could be held liable for your stupidity.

tmiddles wrote:A million doctors in the country and not one with courage to blow the whistle and challenge the gospel of everything they learned in medical school.

tmiddles wrote:Such a vast and powerful conspiracy you guys believe in.

IBdaMann wrote:

tmiddles wrote:A million doctors in the country and not one with courage to blow the whistle and challenge the gospel of everything they learned in medical school.

Hey, you certainly understand cowardice and accession to the government. You certainly can't blame them for being that way, right?

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tmiddles wrote:

GasGuzzler wrote:
They are afraid of liability lawsuits. If they don't follow government guidelines the could be held liable for your stupidity.

A million doctors in the country and not one with courage to blow the whistle and challenge the gospel of everything they learned in medical school.

Such a vast and powerful conspiracy you guys believe in. May even rival the Flat Earthers who only need to believe all pilots and boat captains are in on the grand lie (which also lacks any motive).

HarveyH55 wrote:

tmiddles wrote:

GasGuzzler wrote:...If they don't follow government guidelines the could be held liable....

A million doctors in the country and not one with courage to blow the whistle....

Blow the whistle on what? The patients they treated for serious respiratory distress, do to a viral infection, or suspected infection. Doctors don't generally determine cause of death,...

tmiddles wrote:

HarveyH55 wrote:

tmiddles wrote:

GasGuzzler wrote:...If they don't follow government guidelines the could be held liable....

A million doctors in the country and not one with courage to blow the whistle....

Blow the whistle on what? The patients they treated for serious respiratory distress, do to a viral infection, or suspected infection. Doctors don't generally determine cause of death,...

Blow the whistle on what IBD, GG and others here are proposing is a vast conspiracy to lie to loved ones about why someone died and claim it was Covid when it wasn't. To falsify medial records and commit both a legal fraud and a crime against medicine itself by providing false and distorted data.

Are you seriously saying Harvey that doctors just don't know most of the time why their patients die?

tmiddles wrote:

HarveyH55 wrote:

tmiddles wrote:

GasGuzzler wrote:...If they don't follow government guidelines the could be held liable....

A million doctors in the country and not one with courage to blow the whistle....

Blow the whistle on what? The patients they treated for serious respiratory distress, do to a viral infection, or suspected infection. Doctors don't generally determine cause of death,...

Blow the whistle on what IBD, GG and others here are proposing is a vast conspiracy to lie to loved ones about why someone died and claim it was Covid when it wasn't. To falsify medial records and commit both a legal fraud and a crime against medicine itself by providing false and distorted data.

Are you seriously saying Harvey that doctors just don't know most of the time why their patients die?

duncan61 wrote:
A friend of my Fathers died when he was electrocuted and the paper wrote he fell off a ladder when his daughter raised the subject with the reporter he said well sue me and she did and was awarded a big settlement.I learned a lot from the incident as what my take on what happened was he had moved to a retirement village and he put up some 300mm lattice on top of the boundry fence they became friendly with another couple and planned a trip to Vegas together and he was asked to put up lattice on thier fence which he agreed to do.On the day he said he would do it it was stinking hot and after shopping and sourcing the lattice from bunnings he tried to convince the other woman he would do it the next morning but she pressured him into doing it now and he got angry and yanked on his extension cord when it was stuck and it electrified the fence he was holding on to and he was standing on metal steps and the building had no RCD installed and died.They all still went to Vegas.When people try to pressure me to do something I do not wish to I state I have the rest of my life to do this and it shuts them up

HarveyH55 wrote:

tmiddles wrote:

HarveyH55 wrote:

tmiddles wrote:

GasGuzzler wrote:...If they don't follow government guidelines the could be held liable....

A million doctors in the country and not one with courage to blow the whistle....

Blow the whistle on what? The patients they treated for serious respiratory distress, do to a viral infection, or suspected infection. Doctors don't generally determine cause of death,...

Blow the whistle on what IBD, GG and others here are proposing is a vast conspiracy to lie to loved ones about why someone died and claim it was Covid when it wasn't. To falsify medial records and commit both a legal fraud and a crime against medicine itself by providing false and distorted data.

Are you seriously saying Harvey that doctors just don't know most of the time why their patients die?

Most of the time, they have a pretty good idea, and it goes into their report, which goes to the Medical Examiner, who generally goes with that. Doctors don't do their own lab work, that a separate report. The State and Federal government does set certain guidelines for reporting a death. The Medical Examiner compares the findings, with the guidelines, to determine the official cause of death. A respirator infection, maybe be a contributing factor, but mot the actual cause. It might be debatable, or proven false, if somebody dug deep enough. But most cases, it's accurate enough, since the patient is still going to be dead. Does the hospital or doctor really want the coroner to cut up each patient, and find that the respiratory infection wasn't that bad, the real cause was from the damage done, when somebody shoved the ventilator tub to far down? Mostly, the ME's office, is a bunch of paper-shufflers. Autopsy are by special request, or something in the reports don't add up, or there is something of special interest about the death.

It's not really that anyone is lying, it's they just aren't making the close examination of specimens, to determine which virus, actually caused/contributed to the death. It's not that quick and easy, like on TV. With all labs focusing on test kits from living patients, they don't have time or resources to make the requests. It's an epidemic, it's a respiratory infection, it's reasonable to believe it's Covid-19. I'm sure samples are taken, and stored, maybe in a year or two, they'll start running some of those tests, to confirm. Right now, it's more important to keep the available resources focused on the living, and those that might be saved.

Into the Night wrote:

HarveyH55 wrote:

tmiddles wrote:

HarveyH55 wrote:

tmiddles wrote:

GasGuzzler wrote:...If they don't follow government guidelines the could be held liable....

A million doctors in the country and not one with courage to blow the whistle....

Blow the whistle on what? The patients they treated for serious respiratory distress, do to a viral infection, or suspected infection. Doctors don't generally determine cause of death,...

Blow the whistle on what IBD, GG and others here are proposing is a vast conspiracy to lie to loved ones about why someone died and claim it was Covid when it wasn't. To falsify medial records and commit both a legal fraud and a crime against medicine itself by providing false and distorted data.

Are you seriously saying Harvey that doctors just don't know most of the time why their patients die?

Most of the time, they have a pretty good idea, and it goes into their report, which goes to the Medical Examiner, who generally goes with that. Doctors don't do their own lab work, that a separate report. The State and Federal government does set certain guidelines for reporting a death. The Medical Examiner compares the findings, with the guidelines, to determine the official cause of death. A respirator infection, maybe be a contributing factor, but mot the actual cause. It might be debatable, or proven false, if somebody dug deep enough. But most cases, it's accurate enough, since the patient is still going to be dead. Does the hospital or doctor really want the coroner to cut up each patient, and find that the respiratory infection wasn't that bad, the real cause was from the damage done, when somebody shoved the ventilator tub to far down? Mostly, the ME's office, is a bunch of paper-shufflers. Autopsy are by special request, or something in the reports don't add up, or there is something of special interest about the death.

It's not really that anyone is lying, it's they just aren't making the close examination of specimens, to determine which virus, actually caused/contributed to the death. It's not that quick and easy, like on TV. With all labs focusing on test kits from living patients, they don't have time or resources to make the requests. It's an epidemic, it's a respiratory infection, it's reasonable to believe it's Covid-19. I'm sure samples are taken, and stored, maybe in a year or two, they'll start running some of those tests, to confirm. Right now, it's more important to keep the available resources focused on the living, and those that might be saved.

Some of these coroners are lying. They've been caught at it. Some of them are being sued. others are facing criminal charges (it's considered a felony to falsify death records in some States).

Into the Night wrote:...The doctor must continue to refile until the coroner is satisfied with the application. ...If a coroner is a liberal, ...refusing some applications until they list Covid-19 ....

Into the Night wrote:It is fraud by a government official in support of an illegal action by a government official.

HarveyH55 wrote:It's not really that anyone is lying, it's they just aren't making the close examination of specimens, to determine which virus, actually caused/contributed to the death.

keepit wrote:
Where did you get this information about coroners being sued and facing felony charges ITN? I'd suggest verification of what you say.

HarveyH55 wrote:

Into the Night wrote:

HarveyH55 wrote:

tmiddles wrote:

HarveyH55 wrote:

tmiddles wrote:

GasGuzzler wrote:...If they don't follow government guidelines the could be held liable....

A million doctors in the country and not one with courage to blow the whistle....

Blow the whistle on what? The patients they treated for serious respiratory distress, do to a viral infection, or suspected infection. Doctors don't generally determine cause of death,...

Blow the whistle on what IBD, GG and others here are proposing is a vast conspiracy to lie to loved ones about why someone died and claim it was Covid when it wasn't. To falsify medial records and commit both a legal fraud and a crime against medicine itself by providing false and distorted data.

Are you seriously saying Harvey that doctors just don't know most of the time why their patients die?

Most of the time, they have a pretty good idea, and it goes into their report, which goes to the Medical Examiner, who generally goes with that. Doctors don't do their own lab work, that a separate report. The State and Federal government does set certain guidelines for reporting a death. The Medical Examiner compares the findings, with the guidelines, to determine the official cause of death. A respirator infection, maybe be a contributing factor, but mot the actual cause. It might be debatable, or proven false, if somebody dug deep enough. But most cases, it's accurate enough, since the patient is still going to be dead. Does the hospital or doctor really want the coroner to cut up each patient, and find that the respiratory infection wasn't that bad, the real cause was from the damage done, when somebody shoved the ventilator tub to far down? Mostly, the ME's office, is a bunch of paper-shufflers. Autopsy are by special request, or something in the reports don't add up, or there is something of special interest about the death.

It's not really that anyone is lying, it's they just aren't making the close examination of specimens, to determine which virus, actually caused/contributed to the death. It's not that quick and easy, like on TV. With all labs focusing on test kits from living patients, they don't have time or resources to make the requests. It's an epidemic, it's a respiratory infection, it's reasonable to believe it's Covid-19. I'm sure samples are taken, and stored, maybe in a year or two, they'll start running some of those tests, to confirm. Right now, it's more important to keep the available resources focused on the living, and those that might be saved.

Some of these coroners are lying. They've been caught at it. Some of them are being sued. others are facing criminal charges (it's considered a felony to falsify death records in some States).

Wouldn't doubt it, people are lazy, regardless of profession. I doubt those cases will get much traction though. Mostly, all they are required to do, is review the reports given to them by doctors and hospitals. Victims of a crime, aren't alway given a thorough examination either, just collect evidence requested.

tmiddles wrote:

Into the Night wrote:...The doctor must continue to refile until the coroner is satisfied with the application. ...If a coroner is a liberal, ...refusing some applications until they list Covid-19 ....

At what point to you find a total lack of evidence indicative that something is not happening?

What if I said: "Most corners are men, and deaths from breast cancer are actually ten times what is reported, because the male coroners insist that doctors change the reason. The doctors are silent on this fraud because they don't want to lose their jobs. But the male corners don't want prostate cancer research dollars going to breast cancer instead."

Now that is also a completely stupid theory, without a motive, that has both nothing to back it up and an extremely high likelihood that someone (doctors, coroners or the families of dead people) would expose the fraud.

tmiddles wrote:
This is classic INFOWARS, PizzaGate BS where a wild theory that is incredible on it's face, has nothing to support it and yet is thrown around as though it were a fact.

tmiddles wrote:
Simple question ITN:

Into the Night wrote:It is fraud by a government official in support of an illegal action by a government official.

Why do you believe that? You did not provide anything that supports the conclusion.

tmiddles wrote:

HarveyH55 wrote:It's not really that anyone is lying, it's they just aren't making the close examination of specimens, to determine which virus, actually caused/contributed to the death.

And mistakes can be made either way. Most charts on Covid-19 show the confirmed and suspect separately.

tmiddles wrote:
Pretend for a moment that you're a government official who wants desperately to manipulate the data to show that Covid-19 is a much bigger problem than it is. How could you do it and leave no evidence behind? Could you do it and have no witnesses?

tmiddles wrote:
I can't think of any scenario where that is possible.

tmiddles wrote:
Mistakes are always made going in both directions with anything (like the supermarket scanning the wrong price).

keepit wrote:
ITN,
Balonyism and OOYA.

keepit wrote:
You haven't said where you got that stuff about coroners being sued and charged with felonies.

keepit wrote:
I suppose there might be an occasional case like that but you present it as if it is rampant in the 100,000 deaths from covid in the us.

keepit wrote:
I don't know why i respond to some of your posts. They are almost always a bunch of bull.

keepit wrote:
So , prove it. What's the problem with that?

Into the Night wrote:Falsifying death records is a felony in some States. We shall see ...

Into the Night wrote:

tmiddles wrote:... nothing to support it ...

Irrelevant.

keepit wrote:ITN, Balonyism and OOYA. You haven't said where you got that stuff about coroners being sued ...

tmiddles wrote:

Into the Night wrote:Falsifying death records is a felony in some States. We shall see ...

Yep it's a serious crime. Those tend not to get committed when there is no motive.

tmiddles wrote:

Into the Night wrote:

tmiddles wrote:... nothing to support it ...

Irrelevant.

Now see I differ with you there INFOWARS the Night. It matters when you have no support for your position.

tmiddles wrote:

keepit wrote:ITN, Balonyism and OOYA. You haven't said where you got that stuff about coroners being sued ...

Well said. Hey ITN I bet you think illegal aliens are voting and throwing off election results don't you?

Into the Night wrote:...Dead people also 'vote'. ...