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HarveyH55 wrote:
Don't read much history... We were always wild animals, many still are even in civilized countries. The less civilized always tended to get slaughter, their land taken from them, by the civilized humans. Most any Native American can explain that in greater detail... Have we really evolved all that much?

Spongy Iris wrote:

HarveyH55 wrote:
Don't read much history... We were always wild animals, many still are even in civilized countries. The less civilized always tended to get slaughter, their land taken from them, by the civilized humans. Most any Native American can explain that in greater detail... Have we really evolved all that much?

Harvey I think you are confusing wild with savage...

James___ wrote:

Spongy Iris wrote:

HarveyH55 wrote:
Don't read much history... We were always wild animals, many still are even in civilized countries. The less civilized always tended to get slaughter, their land taken from them, by the civilized humans. Most any Native American can explain that in greater detail... Have we really evolved all that much?

Harvey I think you are confusing wild with savage...

I think he's talking about what happened to "Native Americans". He did mention them specifically. That can be considered as the "American Holocaust". One of my favorite songs;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6cR-h8FU7rI

I am descended from Pocahontas and today there is no Powhatan people. Harvey has this one right.

Spongy Iris wrote:
One of the narratives of human evolution which I consider to be bullshit, is that human beings evolved from being wild, to being domesticated. IMO, human beings have never been wild. We are too weak to survive on our own in the wild.

Spongy Iris wrote:
A very few human groups may live wild. But I suspect they advanced from being domesticated to living wild (not the other way around).

HarveyH55 wrote:
Don't read much history... We were always wild animals, many still are even in civilized countries. The less civilized always tended to get slaughter, their land taken from them, by the civilized humans. Most any Native American can explain that in greater detail... Have we really evolved all that much?

Spongy Iris wrote:

James___ wrote:

Spongy Iris wrote:

HarveyH55 wrote:
Don't read much history... We were always wild animals, many still are even in civilized countries. The less civilized always tended to get slaughter, their land taken from them, by the civilized humans. Most any Native American can explain that in greater detail... Have we really evolved all that much?

Harvey I think you are confusing wild with savage...

I think he's talking about what happened to "Native Americans". He did mention them specifically. That can be considered as the "American Holocaust". One of my favorite songs;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6cR-h8FU7rI

I am descended from Pocahontas and today there is no Powhatan people. Harvey has this one right.

I read estimates the Native American population declined from 60 to 6 million in the century following 1492.

Spongy Iris wrote:I read estimates the Native American population declined from 60 to 6 million in the century following 1492.

Spongy Iris wrote:

HarveyH55 wrote:
Don't read much history... We were always wild animals, many still are even in civilized countries. The less civilized always tended to get slaughter, their land taken from them, by the civilized humans. Most any Native American can explain that in greater detail... Have we really evolved all that much?

Harvey I think you are confusing wild with savage...

IBdaMann wrote:

Yes, these numbers are accurate. The ChChCh (Cherokee-Choctaw-Chikasaw Consortium of Oklahoma) performed a grass-roots census every five years, more or less going wigwam to wigwam, to get an accurate headcount back throughout late 16th century through the 17th Century. The objective was to better unionize the artisans and craftsmen, and to get a rough estimate of how many bow-makers were not certified and were getting paid under the table.

Key to the census was "race." There was pressure to be more inclusive to illegal immigrants who were stigmatized for bringing disease with them unabated due to the totally open borders.

Yeah, those numbers are spot on.

Spongy Iris wrote:quote from a study...

"From 119 published regional population estimates we calculate a pre-1492 CE population of 60.5 million (interquartile range, IQR 44.8–78.2 million), utilizing 1.04 ha land per capita (IQR 0.98–1.11)."

IBdaMann wrote:

Spongy Iris wrote:quote from a study...

"From 119 published regional population estimates we calculate a pre-1492 CE population of 60.5 million (interquartile range, IQR 44.8–78.2 million), utilizing 1.04 ha land per capita (IQR 0.98–1.11)."

Did you, at any point, wonder how anyone could arrive at an "estimate" of pre-1492 CE population? Did you, at any point, realize that there is a good reason there is no published margin of error?

The idea of referring to such a number as an "estimate" instead of "pure speculation" is totally absurd.

Spongy Iris wrote:119 regional population estimates... Hectare of land per capita

Into the Night wrote:

So who domesticated us?

HarveyH55 wrote:

Spongy Iris wrote:

HarveyH55 wrote:
Don't read much history... We were always wild animals, many still are even in civilized countries. The less civilized always tended to get slaughter, their land taken from them, by the civilized humans. Most any Native American can explain that in greater detail... Have we really evolved all that much?

Harvey I think you are confusing wild with savage...

The Native Americans were basically peaceful, until the whites arrived, and start stealing and slaughtering, declaring themselves 'owners'. Native Americans had to stay focused on survival. They took from the land, only as much as they needed, and used everything the took, The whites, could never get enough of anything, always wanting more. Native Americans, didn't really understand how the whites could be so damn greedy, or kill for no particular reason, other than they could. But, they eventually learned, or they wouldn't survive.

Into the Night wrote:

HarveyH55 wrote:

Spongy Iris wrote:

HarveyH55 wrote:
Don't read much history... We were always wild animals, many still are even in civilized countries. The less civilized always tended to get slaughter, their land taken from them, by the civilized humans. Most any Native American can explain that in greater detail... Have we really evolved all that much?

Harvey I think you are confusing wild with savage...

The Native Americans were basically peaceful, until the whites arrived, and start stealing and slaughtering, declaring themselves 'owners'. Native Americans had to stay focused on survival. They took from the land, only as much as they needed, and used everything the took, The whites, could never get enough of anything, always wanting more. Native Americans, didn't really understand how the whites could be so damn greedy, or kill for no particular reason, other than they could. But, they eventually learned, or they wouldn't survive.

Not quite true.

Indians (native Americans are anyone born in America) constantly warred with each other. Some were farmers, and relatively peaceful. Some were hunters and warriors, plundering other tribes. Some were nomadic, wandering over large stretches of land each season, hunting and farming and what they could.

Far from using only what they needed, some killed to show their manhood or for the sport of it, sometimes taking from the animal only a trophy of some kind to show their prowess.

The warrior tribes WERE greedy, plundering and pillaging at will.

Don't let the politically correct image of the American indian the propaganda centers taught you color what it was.

Today, only a remnant of the tribes remain...most wiped out by internal wars or disease brought by the Europeans. Then there were the genocide orders issued by the government.

Not fun to be indian at the time.