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Wikipedia is Locked Down by Marxists22-04-2020 01:15
IBdaMannProfile picture★★★★★
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HarveyH55 wrote: Actually, mostly your obsession... You should know from all the articles cited in Wikipedia, that the entries are often opinion/interpretations, biased...


Harvey, you are absolutely correct, perhaps moreso than you realize. I'm sure you can glean the Marxist/Socialist bent of our mainstream media. That's who runs Wikipedia. I had to find this out the hard way by devoting many, many hours to cleaning up wild, erroneous and unsupported science, math and political claims that ran completely counter to Wikipedia's own stated neutrality policy, only to have each and every one turned right back to the previous verbiage of the hard-left Marxist party line.

Wikipedia NPOV:
Wikipedia must not take sides.[112] All opinions and viewpoints, if attributable to external sources, must enjoy an appropriate share of coverage within an article. This is known as neutral point of view (NPOV).


... but this is a sham. A great example is the Wiki entry for InfoWars which is HATED by the left and by mainstream media.

Wikipedia entry on InfoWars contains:
InfoWars is a far-right American conspiracy theory and fake news website owned by Alex Jones.

The site has regularly published fake stories which have been linked to harassment of victims.


... whereas CNN gets this treatment:

Wikipedia entry on CNN contains:
CNN (Cable News Network) is an American news-based pay television channel owned by CNN Worldwide

The network is known for its dramatic live coverage of breaking news, some of which has drawn criticism as overly sensationalistic, and for its efforts to be nonpartisan


... so of course we can expect the Fox News writeup to include:

Wikipedia entry on Fox News contains:
Fox News has been described as practicing biased reporting in favor of the Republican Party, the George W. Bush and Donald Trump administrations, and conservative causes while portraying the Democratic Party in a negative light. Critics have cited the channel as detrimental to the integrity of news overall


Pick a topic that is "important" to leftists and gauge how Wikipedia portrays that topic:

Guns
The gun culture of the United States can be considered unique among developed countries in terms of the large number of firearms owned by civilians, generally permissive regulations, and high levels of gun violence.

[pretending to speak for other countries]
The US attitude to guns generally perplexes those in other developed countries, who cannot understand the unusual permissiveness of American gun laws, and why the American public does not push for harsher gun control measures in the face of mass shootings.


Gender Identity
Categorizing males and females into social roles creates a problem, because individuals feel they have to be at one end of a linear spectrum and must identify themselves as man or woman, rather than being allowed to choose a section in between. Globally, communities interpret biological differences between men and women to create a set of social expectations that define the behaviors that are "appropriate" for men and women and determine women's and men's different access to rights, resources, power in society and health behaviors. Although the specific nature and degree of these differences vary from one society to the next, they still tend to typically favor men, creating an imbalance in power and gender inequalities within most societies. Many cultures have different systems of norms and beliefs based on gender, but there is no universal standard to a masculine or feminine role across all cultures. Social roles of men and women in relation to each other is based on the cultural norms of that society, which lead to the creation of gender systems. The gender system is the basis of social patterns in many societies, which include the separation of sexes, and the primacy of masculine norms.


Wealth Inequality
According to Jedediah Purdy, a researcher at the Duke School of Law, the inequality of wealth in the United States has constantly opened the eyes of the many problems and shortcomings of its financial system over at least the last fifty years of the debate. For years, people believed that distributive justice would produce a sustainable level of wealth inequality. It was also thought that a certain state would be able to effectively diminish the amount of inequality that would occur. Something that was for the most part not expected is the fact that the inequality levels created by the growing markets would lessen the power of that state and prevent the majority of the political community from actually being able to deliver on its plans of distributive justice, however it has just lately come to attention of the mass majority.


Global Warming
Global warming is the ongoing rise of the average temperature of the Earth's climate system and has been demonstrated by direct temperature measurements and by measurements of various effects of the warming.[1] It is a major aspect of climate change which, in addition to rising global surface temperatures,[2] also includes its effects, such as changes in precipitation. While there have been prehistoric periods of global warming, observed changes since the mid-20th century have been unprecedented in rate and scale.


Assault Rifle
An assault rifle is a selective-fire rifle that uses an intermediate cartridge and a detachable magazine.





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Defensive Gun Use (DGU): Wikipedia pretty much presents a 60-minutes-style critique of pro-DGU studies, concluding that even RAND says that we can't trust them.


... Just pick a topic. Wikipedia will not be as extreme as a socialist party website, i.e. language will be tapered, but they will align. Compare Wikipedia to tmiddles and they will align.

'Nuff said.


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A Spaghetti strainer with the faucet running, retains water- tmiddles

Clouds don't trap heat. Clouds block cold. - Spongy Iris

Printing dollars to pay debt doesn't increase the number of dollars. - keepit

If Venus were a black body it would have a much much lower temperature than what we found there.- tmiddles

Ah the "Valid Data" myth of ITN/IBD. - tmiddles

Ceist - I couldn't agree with you more. But when money and religion are involved, and there are people who value them above all else, then the lies begin. - trafn

You are completely misunderstanding their use of the word "accumulation"! - Climate Scientist.

The Stefan-Boltzman equation doesn't come up with the correct temperature if greenhouse gases are not considered - Hank

:*sigh* Not the "raw data" crap. - Leafsdude

IB STILL hasn't explained what Planck's Law means. Just more hand waving that it applies to everything and more asserting that the greenhouse effect 'violates' it.- Ceist
22-04-2020 08:52
Amanbir GrewalProfile picture★☆☆☆☆
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is he in the mood to understand and how long it takes him to do that!

he is melting polar ice caps with that heat!


AUGUST COMTE AN EMPLOYED SOCIALIST BEFORE A PANEL OTHERWISE A SIMPLE PLANNER OF GUISES AND POTIONS
22-04-2020 17:25
gfm7175Profile picture★★★★☆
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Precisely correct IBD. You hit the nail on the head!
22-04-2020 22:15
Into the NightProfile picture★★★★★
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Indeed, IBD, and well put. Wikipedia is very much like tmiddles here (guess that's why he quotes from it so often) . It is absolutely useless as a reference source.

More and more people are starting to figure out that CNN, MSNBC, CBS, the NY Times, the LA Times, the Associated Press, and the UK Guardian are likewise useless sources.

There are also a ton of websites out there that just copy this stuff, calling it their own. Copying a lie does not make it anything other than the same lie.
Edited on 22-04-2020 22:16
23-04-2020 08:23
Amanbir GrewalProfile picture★☆☆☆☆
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my business to interfere in your business makes your richer when i give you tips for free.

i need to know about things first like NBC going rogue viral on cheap senators getting rich selling free dope, to cubans.

regulating the chaos is not making chaos at all.


AUGUST COMTE AN EMPLOYED SOCIALIST BEFORE A PANEL OTHERWISE A SIMPLE PLANNER OF GUISES AND POTIONS
25-04-2020 21:37
tmiddlesProfile picture★★★★★
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IBdaMann wrote:
... but this is a sham. A great example is the Wiki entry for InfoWars which is HATED by the left and by mainstream media.
Wikipedia entry on InfoWars contains:
InfoWars is a far-right American conspiracy theory and fake news website owned by Alex Jones.
The site has regularly published fake stories which have been linked to harassment of victims.
So fair to say YOU do not HATE InfoWars IBD?

I sure do. They are reprehensible. Real scum.

The WIKI description sounds spot on.
26-04-2020 01:14
Into the NightProfile picture★★★★★
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tmiddles wrote:...deleted Mantras 30...4b...


No argument presented.


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26-04-2020 05:44
GasGuzzlerProfile picture★★★★☆
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Thanks for this IBDaMann. I will be asking my son to give this a read as headed is headed off to his first year of college next year. I know he has his head on straight, but these wiki examples clearly show how opinion is presented as fact. He needs to know how to spot this BS.

On a side note about wiki, I don't think many schools accept wiki as a credible academic research source. Sad part is, too many like tmiddles and keepit consider it the Holy Bible and the answer to all questions spanning the universe.
Edited on 26-04-2020 05:45
26-04-2020 06:09
duncan61
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GG you can not speak of what someone else thinks it calls for the operation of their mind.A Judge Judy quote.I am concerned that schools are teaching how bad we are for causing Climate Change
26-04-2020 06:18
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GasGuzzler wrote:
...about wiki, ...tmiddles and keepit consider it the Holy Bible and the answer to all questions spanning the universe.

I love wiki. It's an excellent resource similar to Google. Or I guess a bit more what yahoo was originally as its a curated agrregator of info. As each entry includes it's sources I don't see a real problem.

What's odd GG is why you're so silent on INFOWARS? Touchy subject?

When you son asks about it what do you say?

Seems odd in the course of judging information sources to rate one and be unwilling to compare it to another.
26-04-2020 06:20
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duncan61 wrote:
GG you can not speak of what someone else thinks it calls for the operation of their mind.A Judge Judy quote.I am concerned that schools are teaching how bad we are for causing Climate Change


I'd like to respond but I honestly don't get your point. Can u elaborate a bit?


gasguzzler, calling the jet stream the "Norwegian jet stream" is a bigoted statement. -James-
26-04-2020 06:52
duncan61
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When Judy was trying a case it was not uncommon for one of the litigants to claim they knew what the other person was thinking at the time and Judy would respond with

You can not speak of what someone else thinks it calls for the operation of their mind.

You did this when you stated

Sad part is, too many like tmiddles and keepit consider it the Holy Bible and the answer to all questions spanning the universe.

I have just used Wiki to look up Nils-Axel Mörner its not all bad.I hope that clears it up.
26-04-2020 06:57
GasGuzzlerProfile picture★★★★☆
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duncan61 wrote:
When Judy was trying a case it was not uncommon for one of the litigants to claim they knew what the other person was thinking at the time and Judy would respond with

You can not speak of what someone else thinks it calls for the operation of their mind.

You did this when you stated

Sad part is, too many like tmiddles and keepit consider it the Holy Bible and the answer to all questions spanning the universe.

I have just used Wiki to look up Nils-Axel Mörner its not all bad.I hope that clears it up.


Keepit has said on many occasions..."It's true! It's true! You can look it up on wiki!" His words, not mine. I would never claim to know what operates a mind like his!


gasguzzler, calling the jet stream the "Norwegian jet stream" is a bigoted statement. -James-
26-04-2020 07:00
tmiddlesProfile picture★★★★★
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duncan61 wrote:
You can not speak of what someone else thinks...
Keepit and I both use Wiki all the time and aren't ashamed to consider it a useful reference. We've argued as much.

I think GG hyperboli was obvious and he's aware that we don't sing Wiki Hyhmals on Sundays.

The beef with wiki is required if you're a devotee of a vast conspiracy theory in which textbooks, history books, maps, government reference materials and so on are "Fraudulent" due to some "Plot".

This is true regardless of the nature of the vast conspiracy. It could be that someone believes the Earth is flat, or that warmazombies have time machines and travel into the past to hold text book authors at gun point and force them to doctor college textbooks on thermodynamics.

Did you know the denier crowd here denies all college textbooks on thermodynamics?:TWELVE REFERENCES


"Good tests kill flawed theories; we remain alive to guess again." - Karl Popper
ITN/IBD Fraud exposed:  The 2nd LTD add on claiming radiance from cooler bodies can't be absorbed Max Planck debunks, they can't explain:net-thermal-radiation-you-in-a-room-as-a-reference & Proof: no data is valid for IBD or ITN
26-04-2020 07:22
duncan61
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Tmiddles I am aware that your stance on AGW/CC is it is all true and is happening and that is based on your posts.Have you ever considered accepting a lot of it is a work of fiction.I have no reason to not believe Nils-Axel Mörner on the sea level issue based on my own personal observations and lets be honest if the catastrophic flooding is not going to happen does anything else matter.I am reseaching the cyclone issue and have evidence from BOM That in the last 2 decades there is a decrease worldwide.
26-04-2020 07:43
tmiddlesProfile picture★★★★★
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duncan61 wrote:
Tmiddles I am aware that your stance on AGW/CC is it is all true....
Actually no I consider myself to be skeptic. There is tons of dumb sh#t with any hot button issue.

I think the debate can actually do a lot to get to the truth of any matter. It also exposes the dishonesty of it's participants (or there true motives, and one can argue being driven by a motive in an investigation is bound to be dishonest in some way).

One of the things I think is worthwhile is to find similar situations that are behind us where we have hind sight. Like Y2K, or, while we are in the middle of Covid-19, we can look back on the Spanish flu and the multitude of "pandemics" that have so much in common with the global warming issue.

The question is how can you figure things out. Can you figure ANYTHING out in this world.

The answer is: YES

YES YOU CAN in the immortal words of the great OBAMA : D

Just to give you some context on me, this was my first post here:
Tangier Island , should it be used as an example? (Consequences)

So I'm decidedly not a "Sea level guy" in the world of The CLIMATE DEBATE

"Good tests kill flawed theories; we remain alive to guess again." - Karl Popper
ITN/IBD Fraud exposed:  The 2nd LTD add on claiming radiance from cooler bodies can't be absorbed Max Planck debunks, they can't explain:net-thermal-radiation-you-in-a-room-as-a-reference & Proof: no data is valid for IBD or ITN
Edited on 26-04-2020 07:46
26-04-2020 07:57
duncan61
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I sure got that wrong
26-04-2020 08:11
IBdaMannProfile picture★★★★★
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GasGuzzler wrote: Sad part is, too many like tmiddles and keepit consider it the Holy Bible and the answer to all questions spanning the universe.

For those who are fundamentalist Marxists, Wikipedia is inerrant scripture along with the underlined passages in the Manifesto.


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A Spaghetti strainer with the faucet running, retains water- tmiddles

Clouds don't trap heat. Clouds block cold. - Spongy Iris

Printing dollars to pay debt doesn't increase the number of dollars. - keepit

If Venus were a black body it would have a much much lower temperature than what we found there.- tmiddles

Ah the "Valid Data" myth of ITN/IBD. - tmiddles

Ceist - I couldn't agree with you more. But when money and religion are involved, and there are people who value them above all else, then the lies begin. - trafn

You are completely misunderstanding their use of the word "accumulation"! - Climate Scientist.

The Stefan-Boltzman equation doesn't come up with the correct temperature if greenhouse gases are not considered - Hank

:*sigh* Not the "raw data" crap. - Leafsdude

IB STILL hasn't explained what Planck's Law means. Just more hand waving that it applies to everything and more asserting that the greenhouse effect 'violates' it.- Ceist
26-04-2020 08:19
IBdaMannProfile picture★★★★★
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tmiddles wrote: Keepit and I both use Wiki all the time and aren't ashamed to consider it a useful reference.

keepit and you get everything wrong. Everything. And this is partly because you consider Wikipedia to be a useful reference, you say?

The difference between the two of you is that you appear to get everything wrong intentionally.
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26-04-2020 08:27
IBdaMannProfile picture★★★★★
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tmiddles wrote:Actually no I consider myself to be skeptic.

Your delusions are immaterial. No one but you can consider you a "skeptic" since you don't ever question a single tenet of Global Warming, Climate Change or Greenhouse Effect dogma.

You only question the motives of those who question even a single tenet of Global Warming, Climate Change or Greenhouse Effect dogma.

You are not a skeptic. You are a bona fide warmizombie. You probably have one of these tattooed on your chest:



[note: I lifted the image off of Wikipedia where I knew I could find a good one]


A Spaghetti strainer with the faucet running, retains water- tmiddles

Clouds don't trap heat. Clouds block cold. - Spongy Iris

Printing dollars to pay debt doesn't increase the number of dollars. - keepit

If Venus were a black body it would have a much much lower temperature than what we found there.- tmiddles

Ah the "Valid Data" myth of ITN/IBD. - tmiddles

Ceist - I couldn't agree with you more. But when money and religion are involved, and there are people who value them above all else, then the lies begin. - trafn

You are completely misunderstanding their use of the word "accumulation"! - Climate Scientist.

The Stefan-Boltzman equation doesn't come up with the correct temperature if greenhouse gases are not considered - Hank

:*sigh* Not the "raw data" crap. - Leafsdude

IB STILL hasn't explained what Planck's Law means. Just more hand waving that it applies to everything and more asserting that the greenhouse effect 'violates' it.- Ceist
26-04-2020 08:34
IBdaMannProfile picture★★★★★
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tmiddles wrote: Try making an argument and supporting it. I'm wrong a lot but you never bother to actually make a case.

When I make an argument, I'll support it. I'm not making an argument at the moment.

At present, you are the one who is affirmatively arguing Global Warming, Climate Change and Greenhosue Effect and it is you upon whom the full burden rests to support your case ... and you have not ... and as you mentioned, you have wrong a lot.

You are still on tap to illustrate how, despite more thermal energy flowing from warmer to cooler, nonetheless some thermal energy flows from cooler to warmer, and to do so without confusing electromagnetic energy for thermal energy.


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A Spaghetti strainer with the faucet running, retains water- tmiddles

Clouds don't trap heat. Clouds block cold. - Spongy Iris

Printing dollars to pay debt doesn't increase the number of dollars. - keepit

If Venus were a black body it would have a much much lower temperature than what we found there.- tmiddles

Ah the "Valid Data" myth of ITN/IBD. - tmiddles

Ceist - I couldn't agree with you more. But when money and religion are involved, and there are people who value them above all else, then the lies begin. - trafn

You are completely misunderstanding their use of the word "accumulation"! - Climate Scientist.

The Stefan-Boltzman equation doesn't come up with the correct temperature if greenhouse gases are not considered - Hank

:*sigh* Not the "raw data" crap. - Leafsdude

IB STILL hasn't explained what Planck's Law means. Just more hand waving that it applies to everything and more asserting that the greenhouse effect 'violates' it.- Ceist
26-04-2020 08:50
tmiddlesProfile picture★★★★★
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IBdaMann wrote:
Guns
The gun culture of the United States can be considered unique among developed countries in terms of the large number of firearms owned by civilians, generally permissive regulations, and high levels of gun violence.

[pretending to speak for other countries]
The US attitude to guns generally perplexes those in other developed countries, who cannot understand the unusual permissiveness of American gun laws, and why the American public does not push for harsher gun control measures in the face of mass shootings.

So IBD you have neglected to recognize Wikipedia's format in your so called quoting. Above you act as though Wikipedia's editors just made some stuff up. When in fact that quote is due to a citation in the article found here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_culture_in_the_United_States
"generally permissive regulations, and high levels of gun violence.[1]" That little #1 is a citation which is the source of that information. If we go to it we find:
Fisher, Max (December 15, 2012). "What makes America's gun culture totally unique in the world, in four charts". Washington Post. Washington D.C. Retrieved January 25, 2014. Which actually links to the article:
linkThere the information if broken down:

Now you go on to claim that Wikipedia is inventing public opinion, that they are faking the information but again note the citation in Wiki's aggregation of sources here:
"Foreign perspective
The US attitude to guns generally perplexes those in other developed countries, who cannot understand the unusual permissiveness of American gun laws, and why the American public does not push for harsher gun control measures in the face of mass shootings.[21][22]" You see that #21 and #22 ? Those are sources from whence the content came:
[21] "The world is 'mystified' by America's enduring racism and 'bizarre' gun laws".Business Insider. Retrieved 2016-02-23.
[22] "The Rest of the First World Is Astounded by America's Enduring Gun Culture". The Wire. Retrieved 2016-02-23.

The articles go over the headlines in other countries which totally support this conclusion: "In France, where gun laws have become even stricter following a recent killing spree that embroiled the country, observers were puzzled at the lack of response. "Obama Can No Longer Avoid the Issue of Weapons," reads the headline in France's TFI News. In Japan, which forbids almost all firearm ownership and reported just two homicides involving guns in 2006, stacks upon stacks of guns were depicted in an AFPBB news story, noting that "American gun society unchanged, even after massacre." As we noted during the health care debates earlier this year, welcome to America, world!"

Now has a major newspaper in any other country in the world had a headline like "American's continue to be more awesome with all their guns, when will our government learn to be more like them" or some other NRA fantasy headline? Does that exist and Wiki diabolically neglected to mention that more of the world has headlines like that than the negative once cited by the articles it used? If so you'd really have a case for bias.

As it stands you're just wrong about wikipedia manufacturing some bias on it's own in this case at least.

So I did a bit of searching for more:
https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/d3az8x/we-asked-people-around-the-world-what-they-think-of-us-gun-laws Take a look IBD!

Maybe you can find the "smoking gun" that shows wiki got it wrong about popular worldwide opinion on guns in the US.

IBdaMann wrote:...you appear to get everything wrong intentionally.
Try making an argument and supporting it. I'm wrong a lot but you never bother to actually make a case.

Now let's contrast this with INFOWARS which you've presented on this board as a source. Let's take a look at their article:
FBI SAYS NO ONE KILLED AT SANDY HOOK
It includes a citation to the FBI site but it's not a citation that actually mentions Sandyhook. It's Alex Jones inference that this is proof Sandyhook was a hoax. Also there is no indication he sought any other FBI sources to corroborate this theory. Also as with your consipiracty theories it's entirely unclear what his theory is on how the FBI both perpetrated the hoax yet can't doctor the data. It's truly an opinion piece where the opinion seems to reside solely with Mr. Jones. Really nothing like the Wikipedia format of aggregating outside sources at all. Also the headline is blatantly false as that is simply not a FBI statement but Alex's inference from the data he picked out.

IBdaMann wrote:
You are not a skeptic. You are a bona fide warmizombie.
Uh, is that supposed to be argument?

IBdaMann wrote:...you are the one who is affirmatively arguing Global Warming, Climate Change and Greenhosue Effect and it is you upon whom the full burden rests to support your case
I have and you've run away.

Misuse of the 1st LTD, Plancks Law/SB Law, and glaring hypocrisy of "Valid Data" exposed:
https://www.climate-debate.com/forum/venus-is-hotter-than-mercury--d6-e2710-s720.php#post_53762
37 days with no reply
Here:
Debating "photons of the lower temperature object are not absorbed by the higher temperature object." and that the a light bulb absorbs the radiance from an oven, IBD claims "go ahead ... I'm ready to debate it.":
https://www.climate-debate.com/forum/the-radiative-greenhouse-effect-does-not-exist-d10-e3047-s40.php#post_53357
45 days with no reply
And Here:
2nd Law and disproving IBD's confusion about Earth being a isolated system:
https://www.climate-debate.com/forum/2nd-law-d6-e3030-s80.php#post_53063
50 days with no reply

IBdaMann wrote:
You are still on tap to illustrate how, despite more thermal energy flowing from warmer to cooler, nonetheless some thermal energy flows from cooler to warmer, and to do so without confusing electromagnetic energy for thermal energy.
Well you're cheating there with "thermal energy flows" which has words you have bizaar definitions for. But I have shown that with a living body in a room the temperature of the room allows a person to gain energy, thermal energy, from that room, despite the fact they are much warmer than it isnet-thermal-radiation-you-in-a-room-as-a-reference. You objected to that so I offered to review a dead body with you. As detectives have really studied the relationship between body temperature, ambient temperature and it's change over time to determine time of death. It's an example with robust data and satisfies your objection to not having anything alive involved. You have declined so far.

But who knowingly plays to lose right?

"Good tests kill flawed theories; we remain alive to guess again." - Karl Popper
ITN/IBD Fraud exposed:  The 2nd LTD add on claiming radiance from cooler bodies can't be absorbed Max Planck debunks, they can't explain:net-thermal-radiation-you-in-a-room-as-a-reference & Proof: no data is valid for IBD or ITN
Edited on 26-04-2020 08:52
26-04-2020 11:21
Into the NightProfile picture★★★★★
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tmiddles wrote:...deleted Mantras 4b...justification of Wikipedia...


* Wikipedia editors make stuff up.
* Wikipedia editors intentionally limit their 'sources' to those in favor of their agenda.

You cannot use Wikipedia as a reference with either IBdaMann or me, and probably for gfm as well. It's articles are biased, incomplete, are too often outright wrong, and even contain complete fabrications.

No matter what you argue, you cannot use this as a reference with either IBdaMann nor me.


The Parrot Killer

Debunked in my sig. - tmiddles

Google keeps track of paranoid talk and i'm not on their list. I've been evaluated and certified. - keepit
26-04-2020 13:38
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Into the Night wrote:
No matter what you argue, you cannot use this as a reference with either IBdaMann nor me.


Ah, what a clear instruction on what you will not accept.

So what will you accept?

Sort of a logical follow up question right?
26-04-2020 18:34
Into the NightProfile picture★★★★★
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tmiddles wrote:
Into the Night wrote:
No matter what you argue, you cannot use this as a reference with either IBdaMann nor me.


Ah, what a clear instruction on what you will not accept.

So what will you accept?

Sort of a logical follow up question right?


See the rules of the Data Mine, which you so often misquote. RQAA.


The Parrot Killer

Debunked in my sig. - tmiddles

Google keeps track of paranoid talk and i'm not on their list. I've been evaluated and certified. - keepit
Edited on 26-04-2020 18:35
27-04-2020 04:54
tmiddlesProfile picture★★★★★
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Into the Night wrote:
See the rules of the Data Mine, which you so often misquote. RQAA.


So Mauna Loa CO2 records? You accept that as reliable?

link
Into the Night wrote:


Data collection began in 1958 and continues through today. This data is compensated for using reference stations away from volcanic plumes to remove the effects of local Mauna Loa volcanic activity. Data collected by NOAA and the Mauna Loa observatory. This graph shows CO2 content has increased from 318ppm to 400ppm (an increase of 22ppm over a span of 57 years). The increase is amazingly smooth, with variations due to seasonal changes.

The metholodogy of collection is to slowly pump air through a small cylindrical cell with flat windows on both ends. Infrared light is transmitted through one window, through the cell, through the second window, and is measured by a detector that is sensitive to infrared radiation. Calibration of the instrument is against references of known CO2 concentration samples.

Included to get this out of the way up front.



"Good tests kill flawed theories; we remain alive to guess again." - Karl Popper
ITN/IBD Fraud exposed:  The 2nd LTD add on claiming radiance from cooler bodies can't be absorbed Max Planck debunks, they can't explain:net-thermal-radiation-you-in-a-room-as-a-reference & Proof: no data is valid for IBD or ITN
Edited on 27-04-2020 04:56
27-04-2020 18:07
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Into the Night wrote:
tmiddles wrote:...deleted Mantras 4b...justification of Wikipedia...


* Wikipedia editors make stuff up.
* Wikipedia editors intentionally limit their 'sources' to those in favor of their agenda.

You cannot use Wikipedia as a reference with either IBdaMann or me, and probably for gfm as well. It's articles are biased, incomplete, are too often outright wrong, and even contain complete fabrications.

No matter what you argue, you cannot use this as a reference with either IBdaMann nor me.

Correct. Feel free to cement me in with you and IBD regarding the rejection of Wikipedia as a reference.

Wikipedia is but one of a lengthy list of references that I do not accept. livescience is another major one for me. There are numerous others.
27-04-2020 18:09
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tmiddles wrote:
Into the Night wrote:
See the rules of the Data Mine, which you so often misquote. RQAA.


So Mauna Loa CO2 records? You accept that as reliable?

link
Into the Night wrote:


Data collection began in 1958 and continues through today. This data is compensated for using reference stations away from volcanic plumes to remove the effects of local Mauna Loa volcanic activity. Data collected by NOAA and the Mauna Loa observatory. This graph shows CO2 content has increased from 318ppm to 400ppm (an increase of 22ppm over a span of 57 years). The increase is amazingly smooth, with variations due to seasonal changes.

The metholodogy of collection is to slowly pump air through a small cylindrical cell with flat windows on both ends. Infrared light is transmitted through one window, through the cell, through the second window, and is measured by a detector that is sensitive to infrared radiation. Calibration of the instrument is against references of known CO2 concentration samples.

Included to get this out of the way up front.



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RQAA.
27-04-2020 22:38
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tmiddles wrote:So Mauna Loa CO2 records? You accept that as reliable?


More dishonesty on your part. Why did you not include the answer to your question that Into the Night posted (on several occasions) in response as well?

Why are pretending that Into the Night has not answered your question exhaustively?

The Mauna Loa equipment is accurate and capable of providing valid datasets.

The Mauna Loa humans intentionally fudge the numbers in order to report predetermined "results" and "conclusions," rendering both, i.e. everything reported, invalid and summarily rejected.

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28-04-2020 00:20
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IBdaMann wrote:
tmiddles wrote:So Mauna Loa CO2 records? You accept that as reliable?


More dishonesty on your part. Why did you not include the answer to your question that Into the Night posted (on several occasions) in response as well?

Why are pretending that Into the Night has not answered your question exhaustively?

The Mauna Loa equipment is accurate and capable of providing valid datasets.

The Mauna Loa humans intentionally fudge the numbers in order to report predetermined "results" and "conclusions," rendering both, i.e. everything reported, invalid and summarily rejected.

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I'm still toasting Harvey and roasting ya'all's ignorance of science. Mauna Loa is downwind from Los Angeles. I know, you've never heard of the City of Angels and it's problem with smog, ie., air pollution.
Mauna Loa is one location and is not representative of the planet. A statistical analysis is not possible using only one data set. What about Austria? What are their CO2 levels?
Northern India along the Himalayas? France and Spain along the Alps? A statistical data set requires data from multiple locations and not just the exhaust from the L.A./San Diego Metroplex. How do you guys miss this? I know, dehammer told me that he is handicapped because he is an American't.
Is that contagious like coronavirus? I sure hope I don't catch that American't virus going around. Have heard that Hispaniola is the cure. Is that true?
p.s., can ya'all say Norway? Scandinavia and Europe? I know, saying Hispaniola is much easier. Tu Americanos muey bueno !!
This is just 2 EZ. Hopefully you'll consider actual observations of CO2 at multiple locations. It is warmest over the oceans where there is less CO2. Always has been. история

We're all about talking B.S., right? Just joining in the fun and games. But it seems that there is no actual observations to verify satellite data. If there were then we wouldn't be saying Mauna Loa. Just another basic observation everyone has missed. Science is not based on a data set of 1. 1,000 yes but never 1.
And with satellite data, it should have attached with it physical observations that demonstrate that the logarithm used to interpret data is correct. And this verification needs to be independent. It'd be like if I was ya'alls friend and agreed with you, that is validation of nothing.
Then again, kind of why I like this forum. I don't need to be liked by you guys, just not a requirement. This allows me to question the science.

Still, is kind of nice to piss you guys off when I see obvious mistakes being made. Kind of why free speech matters. A person should be allowed to have their own opinion.
Edited on 28-04-2020 00:21
28-04-2020 00:54
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tmiddles wrote:
Into the Night wrote:
See the rules of the Data Mine, which you so often misquote. RQAA.


So Mauna Loa CO2 records? You accept that as reliable?


RQAA.


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28-04-2020 01:14
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IBdaMann wrote:...Mauna Loa ....fudge the numbers ....
kinndly indicate where fraud/innacurracy/dishonestly/unreliability for the Mauna Loa data is indicated in any way in the DATA MINE thread.

I'm well aware that ITN has presented two irreconsilable positions on Mauna Loa: initially that it was reliable when he presented it as a model and presently when he claims he never trusted it.

Did I just bring it up? No ITN did:
Into the Night wrote:
tmiddles wrote:
So what will you accept?

See the rules of the Data Mine, which you so often misquote. RQAA.


Other than Mauna Loa and Hurricane Data where is an example? You guys are simply a fraud.

So you posted this in the Data Mine 4 years ago, excerpts below.
Into the Night wrote:
Data collection began in 1958....

IBD accepted the data as useful/valid/legit as it was presented.
IBdaMann wrote:
Into the Night wrote:
I have already presented the data from Mauna Loa. This is the form and support I would expect of any data....
...I was wondering if you had any suggestion on acquiring global humidity and atmospheric water vapor data...

ITN you go on to use the data in your arguments and conclusions:
Into the Night wrote:
trafn wrote:...2. To you, how does this data impact questions concerning GHG's...
I also posted another set of data (...does not allow me to post the actual plots...) concerning the temperature ...near Seattle...I see no correlation with the temperatures in Seattle to the increase of carbon dioxide. I have examined charts...As far as I have been able to determine, there is no effective correlation between the two at all.
Into the Night wrote:
climate scientist wrote:...Just because you do not see a correlation ...does not mean that they are not linked.
Actually, yes it does. It exactly means they are not linked.

IBD posted some data and you certainly sound as though you are referring back to your own Moana Loa data as "reliable and verifiable data"..
Into the Night wrote:
IBdaMann wrote:
For example:...data...
10/21/2300Z 82.926°N 85.428°W -24.1°C 1001.7mb...
10/21/2200Z 82.926°N 85.428°W -23.7°C 1001.6mb
....Thank you for providing another source of reliable and verifiable data.

You indicate that the government has collected "reilable data":.
Into the Night wrote:Reliable data goes back to 1944 when we first started flying aircraft into hurricanes.

You use this data you consider reliable to make arguments again:
Into the Night wrote:As you can see, by any measure, hurricane activity seems to have NO correlation with either CO2 concentration, temperature...

You make a claim very similar to my own here, in insisting that data is available so let's proceed with a debate:
Into the Night wrote:
Surface Detail wrote:
What is the source of your data?

IBdaMann wrote:
My source is terrible. If you don't accept it, I'll understand. I grabbed the first datums I encountered.

Surface Detail wrote:
Just provide a link to the source of your data, please.

You have the data in both Atlantic and Pacific basins. You no longer have an excuse to evade the conversation. Stop calling people names and proceed with your discussion.....You have been EVADING a sensible conversation by ...demanding data to be formatted in a particular way...Start having a discussion about the meaning of the data you have!

At no point do you seem to lose confidence in the Moana Loa chart, saying toward the end of the thread:
Into the Night wrote:
You might also note that a lot of data that conformed to the rules has been presented other than the individual station data. The Mauna Loa data, for example, has been presented in a form that completely follows the rules set up for the data mine.


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ITN/IBD Fraud exposed:  The 2nd LTD add on claiming radiance from cooler bodies can't be absorbed Max Planck debunks, they can't explain:net-thermal-radiation-you-in-a-room-as-a-reference & Proof: no data is valid for IBD or ITN
Edited on 28-04-2020 01:21
28-04-2020 03:37
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tmiddles wrote:
...deleted Mantra 29...


No argument presented. RQAA.


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