Why I'm voting for Trump 2020!

tmiddles wrote:

HarveyH55 wrote:...People will always be superior to machines....

I think as we progress you go from a 10 person crew to 1 or 2 people using machines. It's a good thing. It's progress.

You really need to have leadership that understands how things are changing though.



Some moron, like Trump, could look at the above and preach to the people that we gotta save those steel jobs! You just need to hope people like that aren't elected.

GasGuzzler wrote:
First the farmer, now the steel worker? What's wrong with you?

tmiddles wrote:

GasGuzzler wrote:
First the farmer, now the steel worker? What's wrong with you?

Don't blame the messenger. If you want someone to lie to you about these things Trump among others will oblige.

There is a "failure to launch" for a sizeable segment of the country. They need honest answers.

When the sewing machine was invented it took 20 minutes to sew a shirt that had taken 4 hours. It's a good thing but but the workers were terrified they'd be out of work.

GasGuzzler wrote:

tmiddles wrote:

GasGuzzler wrote:
First the farmer, now the steel worker? What's wrong with you?

Don't blame the messenger. If you want someone to lie to you about these things Trump among others will oblige.

There is a "failure to launch" for a sizeable segment of the country. They need honest answers.

When the sewing machine was invented it took 20 minutes to sew a shirt that had taken 4 hours. It's a good thing but but the workers were terrified they'd be out of work.

It would seem to me you are saying that we shouldn't do jobs that machines are capable of. Is that correct?

Not trying to assign a position, just don't know any other way to interpret what you're saying.

tmiddles wrote:

GasGuzzler wrote:
First the farmer, now the steel worker? What's wrong with you?

Don't blame the messenger. If you want someone to lie to you about these things Trump among others will oblige.

There is a "failure to launch" for a sizeable segment of the country. They need honest answers.

When the sewing machine was invented it took 20 minutes to sew a shirt that had taken 4 hours. It's a good thing but but the workers were terrified they'd be out of work.

James___ wrote:
....And neither one probably cares how many manufacturing jobs have been lost to the trade deficit. Kind of like gasguzzler said, life is good for him when family homes are being foreclosed on. I don't think that's something I'd ever mention in a forum.
How does this sound? Yep, people are losing their homes but it is when my (supposed) remodeling business makes me the most money.
It's about him making money.

GasGuzzler wrote:

James___ wrote:
....And neither one probably cares how many manufacturing jobs have been lost to the trade deficit. Kind of like gasguzzler said, life is good for him when family homes are being foreclosed on. I don't think that's something I'd ever mention in a forum.
How does this sound? Yep, people are losing their homes but it is when my (supposed) remodeling business makes me the most money.
It's about him making money.

I see james completely missed the point once again. Try to keep up this time.

My point was that there is no excuse for an able body to sit on his ass and take money from the government.

I have very little education, but have always fended for myself and fed my family. That's right james, it's all about me and my family.

I have made money doing landscaping, finish and frame carpentry, electrical, mechanical work, plumbing, heating and cooling, and even just picking up trash. I never made excuses for myself or asked anyone for a handout. I just went to work.

It hasn't always been easy, some times better than others. The best stretch of income was during the wave of foreclosures. There was a ton of work available, and banks were willing to pay a premium to get it done. The point here being that even though the economy was in the crapper and I had no education to speak of, there was STILL no excuse sit and cry. Find work and go do it.

I'm a huge Dave Ramsey fan so I'll steal a quote from him now.

Get up, leave the cave, go out and kill something, and drag it back home.

James___ wrote: And now you're a doctor?

James___ wrote:p.s.,

James___ wrote:if you cared about your family,

James___ wrote:why didn't you learn a trade

James___ wrote:so you could be a better provider.

James___ wrote:Myself, I was a CNC machinist (a skilled trade)

James___ wrote:but my service connected disabilities required me to change professions.

James___ wrote:Do you wish to fault me for being a disabled Veteran that is handicapped?

James___ wrote:Not very patriotic if you ask me.

James___ wrote:But as you said, you are about you and not America.

HarveyH55 wrote:
...give good value, for the money I was paid.

imo being a wageslave is a million times worse than being a NEET
I wish I could be a NEET forever tbh

James___ wrote:
@Harvey and gasguzzler, you guys remind me of a coworker I had. He said that because he was from here he didn't need to know English or math.
As for me (I worked in the warehouse), one day during lunch a female co-worker asked her supervisor if I'm so smart, then what am I doing working there? He explained that he was smart.
I think he let people know my preemployment test score (I was accused of acing the test) I think in an attempt to motivate them. What happened is that I was constantly harassed and our employer quit releasing test scores.
After that, whenever I had to take a preemployment test, I would ask them not to reveal it. Fitting in is important at work. And now, if things work out for me, I will be a self made man because I wasn't accepted by the people I work with. This is why over the years I've been learning precalculus, calculus and science. In the Navy, we would call this a command decision.

tmiddles wrote:

Into the Night wrote:
Coal is still being mined, ...

Yep....

Few other things are happening too.

The country is fine, they aren't as confused as Trump about the future economy ( or the present economy ).

The Carrier AC situation is a perfect example.

Not a perfect example. Production goes up instead. Coal miners are still there and still mining coal. Certain more dangerous processes are now safer as well.



The CEO was very candid that the workers were still going to be replaced by robots.

tmiddles wrote:

HarveyH55 wrote:...People will always be superior to machines....

I think as we progress you go from a 10 person crew to 1 or 2 people using machines. It's a good thing. It's progress.

You really need to have leadership that understands how things are changing though.



Some moron, like Trump, could look at the above and preach to the people that we gotta save those steel jobs! You just need to hope people like that aren't elected.

tmiddles wrote:

GasGuzzler wrote:
First the farmer, now the steel worker? What's wrong with you?

Don't blame the messenger.

tmiddles wrote:
If you want someone to lie to you about these things Trump among others will oblige.

tmiddles wrote:
There is a "failure to launch" for a sizeable segment of the country. They need honest answers.

tmiddles wrote:
When the sewing machine was invented it took 20 minutes to sew a shirt that had taken 4 hours. It's a good thing but but the workers were terrified they'd be out of work.

GasGuzzler wrote:

tmiddles wrote:

GasGuzzler wrote:
First the farmer, now the steel worker? What's wrong with you?

Don't blame the messenger. If you want someone to lie to you about these things Trump among others will oblige.

There is a "failure to launch" for a sizeable segment of the country. They need honest answers.

When the sewing machine was invented it took 20 minutes to sew a shirt that had taken 4 hours. It's a good thing but but the workers were terrified they'd be out of work.

It would seem to me you are saying that we shouldn't do jobs that machines are capable of. Is that correct?

Not trying to assign a position, just don't know any other way to interpret what you're saying.

James___ wrote:

GasGuzzler wrote:

James___ wrote:
....And neither one probably cares how many manufacturing jobs have been lost to the trade deficit. Kind of like gasguzzler said, life is good for him when family homes are being foreclosed on. I don't think that's something I'd ever mention in a forum.
How does this sound? Yep, people are losing their homes but it is when my (supposed) remodeling business makes me the most money.
It's about him making money.

I see james completely missed the point once again. Try to keep up this time.

My point was that there is no excuse for an able body to sit on his ass and take money from the government.

I have very little education, but have always fended for myself and fed my family. That's right james, it's all about me and my family.

I have made money doing landscaping, finish and frame carpentry, electrical, mechanical work, plumbing, heating and cooling, and even just picking up trash. I never made excuses for myself or asked anyone for a handout. I just went to work.

It hasn't always been easy, some times better than others. The best stretch of income was during the wave of foreclosures. There was a ton of work available, and banks were willing to pay a premium to get it done. The point here being that even though the economy was in the crapper and I had no education to speak of, there was STILL no excuse sit and cry. Find work and go do it.

I'm a huge Dave Ramsey fan so I'll steal a quote from him now.

Get up, leave the cave, go out and kill something, and drag it back home.

And now you're a doctor?

James___ wrote:
p.s., if you cared about your family, why didn't you learn a trade so you could be a better provider.

James___ wrote:
Myself, I was a CNC machinist (a skilled trade) but my service connected disabilities required me to change professions. Do you wish to fault me for being a disabled Veteran that is handicapped?

James___ wrote:
Not very patriotic if you ask me.

James___ wrote:
But as you said, you are about you and not America.

GasGuzzler wrote:

tmiddles wrote:
...If you want someone to lie to you about these things Trump among others will oblige..

It would seem to me you are saying that we shouldn't do jobs that machines are capable of. Is that correct?

HarveyH55 wrote:
...an elite few democrats, will control all the wealth...

Into the Night wrote:
...We produce a hell of a lot more steel too, plus, ...

tmiddles wrote:

Into the Night wrote:
...We produce a hell of a lot more steel too, plus, ...

OK. And if, despite that, steel jobs are lost, and people are lied to and not told that efficiency is the main reason, then they are even worse off. Having liars in office is a liability.

Into the Night wrote:... Trump does not make steel....

Xadoman wrote:
The world has changed. Men have great difficulties to find a woman and start a family nowadays. Only those who have the looks and height get woman easily these days, others stay forever alone. Those guys have little motivation to work. They call it wageslaving. Here is a quote from incel board:

imo being a wageslave is a million times worse than being a NEET
I wish I could be a NEET forever tbh

Many of those guys commit a suicide , some of them take others with them going ER. All of the school shootings are made by guys who have trouble with finding a women. They get bullied by others because of their looks and eventually they go and shoot up a place.
Such guys have no real motivation to contribute to society. Only 1 man in 10 is actually attractive to women. There was a time when being a provider was sufficient to get a woman but those days are long gone. Women have their own money now. They do not need a provider anymore. They only want good looking and tall guys. They want the best genetics. If you are under 6 foot tall , then it is over for you . If you are balding then it is over for you. Actually, it never began. Only a couple of millimetres in bone structure in your face decides whether you are attractive or not.
In overall I would like to point out that things have changed. Most men have great difficulties to get a family these days and therefore they are not very motivated to work and contribute to society. The problem only gets worse day by day.

tmiddles wrote:

GasGuzzler wrote:

tmiddles wrote:
...If you want someone to lie to you about these things Trump among others will oblige..

It would seem to me you are saying that we shouldn't do jobs that machines are capable of. Is that correct?

No if a business finds any means of production practical then they will use it.. Doesnt matter what we say.

What I said is if you want to lie to yourself or have someone like Trump lie to you good luck with that. The Trump fantasy that coal jobs were gone because of democratic environmentalism was just BS.


Similarly most of the noise about foreigners takin our jobs is half baked at best...

Because progress is replacing manual labor. Nothing new. John Henry the steel driving man had a hard time with it too.

HarveyH55 wrote:
...an elite few democrats, will control all the wealth...

You guys think democrats have god like power. Capitalism and a free market are responsible for innovation.

Into the Night wrote:
...We produce a hell of a lot more steel too, plus, ...

OK. And if, despite that, steel jobs are lost, and people are lied to and not told that efficiency is the main reason, then they are even worse off. Having liars in office is a liability.

HarveyH55 wrote:

tmiddles wrote:

GasGuzzler wrote:

tmiddles wrote:
...If you want someone to lie to you about these things Trump among others will oblige..

It would seem to me you are saying that we shouldn't do jobs that machines are capable of. Is that correct?

No if a business finds any means of production practical then they will use it.. Doesnt matter what we say.

What I said is if you want to lie to yourself or have someone like Trump lie to you good luck with that. The Trump fantasy that coal jobs were gone because of democratic environmentalism was just BS.


Similarly most of the noise about foreigners takin our jobs is half baked at best...

Because progress is replacing manual labor. Nothing new. John Henry the steel driving man had a hard time with it too.

HarveyH55 wrote:
...an elite few democrats, will control all the wealth...

You guys think democrats have god like power. Capitalism and a free market are responsible for innovation.

Into the Night wrote:
...We produce a hell of a lot more steel too, plus, ...

OK. And if, despite that, steel jobs are lost, and people are lied to and not told that efficiency is the main reason, then they are even worse off. Having liars in office is a liability.

You spent much of your life hiding in the basement... How is a business going to sell products, if few consumers have an income to purchase them?

I do believe in labor saving machines. And I do believe machines are good at highly repetitive tasks. But, it's unlikely they are going to replace people. There will always be a market for better tools, to increase production, quality, and reduce heath costs (safety). People take up less floor spaces, and way more versatile than a dozen machines. Just because something is possible, doesn't always make it practical, or cost effective.

Mostly though, consumers have jobs, earn money, to purchase goods and services. Where are all these consumers going to earn an income, if most of the jobs are replaced by machines? A government welfare check? And where does the government keep getting they money, to hand out to the basement-dwellers?

Although from personal experience, women are attracted to guys who are enjoying doing something.

tmiddles wrote:

Into the Night wrote:... Trump does not make steel....

He doesn't make coal either, or demand for coal, or coal mining jobs.

So that's a lying President Fallacy.

HarveyH55 wrote:...Where are all these consumers going to earn an income, if most of the jobs are replaced by machines? ...

tmiddles wrote:

HarveyH55 wrote:...Where are all these consumers going to earn an income, if most of the jobs are replaced by machines? ...

So first of my point was that lying to people is counter productive. Trump lied to coal miners telling them he would bring their jobs back. He didn't because he couldn't.

The government is not behind a move to innovate production with automation and efficient machines. That's a free market at work.

The government can try to stop that process. There is a call now to put the brakes on AI because it's unregulated. I think that's a good idea.

I'm extremely worried about a future were there aren't enough jobs because it would give the government way too much power over people if a large percentage are receiving government support. It's estimated 80 million jobs will become obsolete for humans in the next 50 years in the US. We went through that before with the mechanization of agriculture but I don't think we want to rush it.

You seem focused on it being unfair 80 million people in the future might be on welfare, I'm worried about how much power that will give the government over people when they need the government for a pay check.

I don't know if there are any good solutions.