What It Means To Be Norse

duncan61 wrote:
I have Norwegian friends and they are cool nordic dudes.I am not sure what is wrong with you but it is not a small thing

duncan61 wrote:
I have Norwegian friends and they are cool nordic dudes.I am not sure what is wrong with you but it is not a small thing

duncan61 wrote:
I have Norwegian friends and they are cool nordic dudes.I am not sure what is wrong with you but it is not a small thing

HarveyH55 wrote:
I'll tell you again... I don't click on any of your video clips... I uses dial-up internet, and it's just to slow for video. Even the animated GIFs posted every thread, tend to cause problems. I frequently have to stop the page loading, just to read the text portion, since the images causes the page to jump around. I'm missing out on other graphics this way, but usually no big deal. Most of your video links are probably nonsense anyway, which would be wasting time anyway. I don't live in movie world. I'd rather be building something. That's where I find my entertainment. If you spent less time watching movies, your gravity wheel would be spinning, perpetually by now...

James___ wrote:A scientific date has been established

James___ wrote: ... for when the Norse had a small settlement at L'Anse aux Meadows in Newfoundland

James___ wrote: Maybe they'll create a Vikings Day and trash Columbus Day?

IBdaMann wrote:

James___ wrote:A scientific date has been established

James__, when I look at a date, how can I determine whether it is a scientific date or just a regular, ordinary, non-scientific date?

James___ wrote: ... for when the Norse had a small settlement at L'Anse aux Meadows in Newfoundland

All of the Norse or just some of them?

James___ wrote: Maybe they'll create a Vikings Day and trash Columbus Day?

Maybe they'll create a trash day and the Vikings will clean up Columbus, Ohio.

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According to the sagas, the Norse found plenty of fish and game, timber, and pastureland during their explorations of Vinland. They described establishing several base camps—L'Anse aux Meadows appears to have been one—that enabled further explorations of these strange shorelines.
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/new-dating-method-shows-vikings-occupied-newfoundland-in-1021-ce-180978903/

James___ wrote:
A scientific date has been established for when the Norse had a small settlement at L'Anse aux Meadows in Newfoundland (I always thought Nova Scotia was the region but it is Newfoundland, maybe because of L'Anse aux Meadows?), it is 1021.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/tree-rings-radioactive-carbon-signs-150020335.html
Maybe they'll create a Vikings Day and trash Columbus Day?

James___ wrote:

IBdaMann wrote:

James___ wrote:A scientific date has been established

James__, when I look at a date, how can I determine whether it is a scientific date or just a regular, ordinary, non-scientific date?

James___ wrote: ... for when the Norse had a small settlement at L'Anse aux Meadows in Newfoundland

All of the Norse or just some of them?

James___ wrote: Maybe they'll create a Vikings Day and trash Columbus Day?

Maybe they'll create a trash day and the Vikings will clean up Columbus, Ohio.

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With date 1021, it was arrived at by studying tree rings. And as everyone knows, tree rings are specific to a year and can be matched up to other trees as the centuries roll by.

With the Vikings at L'Anse aux Meadows, it was 1 of many. The Vikings wrote possibly from oral history about their expeditions. With Vinland, they were blown off course when going from Iceland to Greenland.

According to the sagas, the Norse found plenty of fish and game, timber, and pastureland during their explorations of Vinland. They described establishing several base camps—L'Anse aux Meadows appears to have been one—that enabled further explorations of these strange shorelines.
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/new-dating-method-shows-vikings-occupied-newfoundland-in-1021-ce-180978903/

As for Columbus, it's difficult to raise someone else's children. With L'Ans aux Meadows, the Vikings brought women with them unlike Columbus. Might explain why they've found no Inuits with European DNA despite a settlement lasting for maybe 3 years.

Into the Night wrote:

James___ wrote:
A scientific date has been established for when the Norse had a small settlement at L'Anse aux Meadows in Newfoundland (I always thought Nova Scotia was the region but it is Newfoundland, maybe because of L'Anse aux Meadows?), it is 1021.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/tree-rings-radioactive-carbon-signs-150020335.html
Maybe they'll create a Vikings Day and trash Columbus Day?

Science is not a date.

Into the Night wrote:


Science is not a date.

James___ wrote:

Into the Night wrote:Science is not a date.

It can be.

James___ wrote:When a cosmic event occurs, that can create a scientific date.

James___ wrote:The ancient Egyptians used 2 calendars.

James___ wrote:One was a lunar calendar and the other a solar calendar. Both used science to determine the "date".

James___ wrote:An example is the spring rains in Ethiopia can be dated by the Full Moon.

James___ wrote:

Into the Night wrote:


Science is not a date.

It can be. When a cosmic event occurs, that can create a scientific date.
The ancient Egyptians used 2 calendars. One was a lunar calendar and the other a solar calendar. Both used science to determine the "date".
An example is the spring rains in Ethiopia can be dated by the Full Moon. They were dated that way. This let the ancient Egyptians know when to sow their fields.
If they went by the solar calendar (365 days), then they might plant their crops in Egypt before the spring rains arrived in Ethiopia. And if that happened then they'd lose their crops that they just planted. How is it you do not know how to use science to date something? It's been around for 4,000 years.
And to be nice, I'll give you the answer, okay? When it rains in Ethiopia, Lake Tana's water level will rise. The spring rains also feed streams that feed into the Blue Nile. With the Atbara or Red Nile, it only flows when it rains.
And hopefully you know that the Blue and Red Nile rivers create the Nile River in Egypt. And a lot of the land that was farmed in ancient Egypt was on a flood plain.
Don't you guys ever read books or watch documentaries?

p.s., isn't it interesting that a Full Moon is associated with the spring rains which means those rains can vary. But then how does the Moon influence this? That's where science comes into play.

p.s.s., an equinox is when basically the day and the night are both 12 hours which creates a "science date". Then a calendar can be adjusted so that the same events happen at the same date on the calendar throughout the rest of the year.
Since there is a leap year once every 4 years, the science date would have an error margin of plus or minus 8 hours. And each year, that value would increase by a factor of 1.
Just some basic science dates.

HarveyH55 wrote:

James___ wrote:The ancient Egyptians used 2 calendars.

Didn't the Egyptians have a few decades of drought? Did they predict that?

IBdaMann wrote:

HarveyH55 wrote:

James___ wrote:The ancient Egyptians used 2 calendars.

Didn't the Egyptians have a few decades of drought? Did they predict that?

They were using the wrong calendar.

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James___ wrote:

IBdaMann wrote:

HarveyH55 wrote:

James___ wrote:The ancient Egyptians used 2 calendars.

Didn't the Egyptians have a few decades of drought? Did they predict that?

They were using the wrong calendar.

Joseph who was their slave predicted it for them. So the Egyptians knew it was coming.

James___ wrote:

Into the Night wrote:


Science is not a date.

It can be. When a cosmic event occurs, that can create a scientific date.

James___ wrote:
The ancient Egyptians used 2 calendars. One was a lunar calendar and the other a solar calendar. Both used science to determine the "date".
An example is the spring rains in Ethiopia can be dated by the Full Moon. They were dated that way. This let the ancient Egyptians know when to sow their fields.
If they went by the solar calendar (365 days), then they might plant their crops in Egypt before the spring rains arrived in Ethiopia. And if that happened then they'd lose their crops that they just planted. How is it you do not know how to use science to date something? It's been around for 4,000 years.

James___ wrote:
And to be nice, I'll give you the answer, okay? When it rains in Ethiopia, Lake Tana's water level will rise. The spring rains also feed streams that feed into the Blue Nile. With the Atbara or Red Nile, it only flows when it rains.
And hopefully you know that the Blue and Red Nile rivers create the Nile River in Egypt. And a lot of the land that was farmed in ancient Egypt was on a flood plain.
Don't you guys ever read books or watch documentaries?

p.s., isn't it interesting that a Full Moon is associated with the spring rains which means those rains can vary. But then how does the Moon influence this? That's where science comes into play.

p.s.s., an equinox is when basically the day and the night are both 12 hours which creates a "science date".

James___ wrote:
Then a calendar can be adjusted so that the same events happen at the same date on the calendar throughout the rest of the year.

James___ wrote:
Since there is a leap year once every 4 years, the science date would have an error margin of plus or minus 8 hours. And each year, that value would increase by a factor of 1.
Just some basic science dates.

HarveyH55 wrote:
Seasons don't start/end on a specific day, week, or month. Most likely, the Egyptians were aware of frequent flooding, from spring runoff, and simply waited until the worst of it was done. Hope for the best, after making the required offerings to the gods. Wait, weren't the Pharaohs looked upon as 'gods'?

Did they wait for the spring floods out of fear of crops getting washed away. Or did they wait, because the flood waters washed river sediment and fish crap over there the farmland, fertilizing the sandy soil?

Into the Night wrote:

Science is not a date.

Long ago, even during the time when the Romans were first exploring the British Isles and establishing their northernmost outposts, Stonehenge was already considered an ancient mystery.

https://www.wwu.edu/astro101/stonehenge.shtml

IBdaMann wrote:

James___ wrote:

IBdaMann wrote:

HarveyH55 wrote:

James___ wrote:The ancient Egyptians used 2 calendars.

Didn't the Egyptians have a few decades of drought? Did they predict that?

They were using the wrong calendar.

Joseph who was their slave predicted it for them. So the Egyptians knew it was coming.

Joseph used the calendar of many colors. It had all seven years of scientific dates for great harvests and all seven years of scientific dates for the scrawny cows eating the fat cows. The problem was that it didn't list/correlate the phases of the moon. That's why the Egyptians were ultimately unprepared. They were preparing for the wrong full moon.

I hate when that happens.

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More than 3,000 years ago the queen of the Hittites, who lived in what is now Turkey, sent a clay tablet to Ramses II, the Egyptian pharaoh, with an S O S: "I have no grain in my lands."

Previously, the two kingdoms had been at war. Now a severe drought was carving a path of destruction through the ancient Levant, killing crops, cattle and people.

But the Egyptians, unlike the Hittites, had anticipated a crisis and planned ahead for a food shortage, researchers at Tel Aviv University say. And in an attempt to stabilize their borders, the pharoahs appear to have mounted a relief effort, sending grain to their former enemies.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/30/climate/egypt-climate-drought.html

James___ wrote:Are you Mormon by any chance?

James___ wrote: If you'd get away from religion son, please slowly walk away from it, okay?

James___ wrote: Ancient Egypt it seems during the reigns of Pepi I and his son Pepi II had a mega drought. That's what science and not religion says.

HarveyH55 wrote:
Seasons don't start/end on a specific day, week, or month.

HarveyH55 wrote:
Most likely, the Egyptians were aware of frequent flooding, from spring runoff, and simply waited until the worst of it was done. Hope for the best, after making the required offerings to the gods. Wait, weren't the Pharaohs looked upon as 'gods'?

HarveyH55 wrote:
Did they wait for the spring floods out of fear of crops getting washed away. Or did they wait, because the flood waters washed river sediment and fish crap over there the farmland, fertilizing the sandy soil?

James___ wrote:

Into the Night wrote:

Science is not a date.

Stonehenge it is believed used science as dates. Can you come into the modern age as recently as Stonehenge ITN? Please?

Long ago, even during the time when the Romans were first exploring the British Isles and establishing their northernmost outposts, Stonehenge was already considered an ancient mystery.

https://www.wwu.edu/astro101/stonehenge.shtml

Into the Night wrote:

HarveyH55 wrote:
Seasons don't start/end on a specific day, week, or month.

Seasons start and end on specific days. These are fixed moments according to earth-solar events.

Spring begins on the vernal (rising) equinox. In 2022, this is on March 20, at 0032 UTC.
Summer begins at the summer solstice. In 2022, this is on June 20, at 1914 UTC.
Autumn begins at the autumnal (sinking) equinox. In 2022, this is on Sept 21, at 1103 UTC.
Winter begins at the winter solstice. In 2021, this is on December 20, at 2358 UTC.

HarveyH55 wrote:
Most likely, the Egyptians were aware of frequent flooding, from spring runoff, and simply waited until the worst of it was done. Hope for the best, after making the required offerings to the gods. Wait, weren't the Pharaohs looked upon as 'gods'?

Yes.

HarveyH55 wrote:
Did they wait for the spring floods out of fear of crops getting washed away. Or did they wait, because the flood waters washed river sediment and fish crap over there the farmland, fertilizing the sandy soil?

The Nile rises in two places, both combining to bring fertilizer to the fields with each flood. The Egyptians became quite talented at civil engineering, building extensive canal systems to irrigate the land.

The date the river would rise and fall with the seasons wasn't completely fixed obviously, but it was good enough for the farmers.

James___ wrote:
Guys, IBDM might need an intervention. He's obviously conflicted. It seems like he wants to come out of the closet and admit that he doesn't drink coffee. AA says
de Nile is the first sign of guilt.
Sadly ITNstein doesn't realize that science is a date. I don't like what I'm thinking if he wouldn't date science.

p.s., with the 150 year drought when Ramses and his son Ra-Ramses were phaoroh they knew how to use de Nile for irrigation. Kind of like IBDM having his tea and crumpets while being in de Nile.

HarveyH55 wrote:

Into the Night wrote:

HarveyH55 wrote:
Seasons don't start/end on a specific day, week, or month.

Seasons start and end on specific days. These are fixed moments according to earth-solar events.

Spring begins on the vernal (rising) equinox. In 2022, this is on March 20, at 0032 UTC.
Summer begins at the summer solstice. In 2022, this is on June 20, at 1914 UTC.
Autumn begins at the autumnal (sinking) equinox. In 2022, this is on Sept 21, at 1103 UTC.
Winter begins at the winter solstice. In 2021, this is on December 20, at 2358 UTC.

HarveyH55 wrote:
Most likely, the Egyptians were aware of frequent flooding, from spring runoff, and simply waited until the worst of it was done. Hope for the best, after making the required offerings to the gods. Wait, weren't the Pharaohs looked upon as 'gods'?

Yes.

HarveyH55 wrote:
Did they wait for the spring floods out of fear of crops getting washed away. Or did they wait, because the flood waters washed river sediment and fish crap over there the farmland, fertilizing the sandy soil?

The Nile rises in two places, both combining to bring fertilizer to the fields with each flood. The Egyptians became quite talented at civil engineering, building extensive canal systems to irrigate the land.

The date the river would rise and fall with the seasons wasn't completely fixed obviously, but it was good enough for the farmers.

We can make any declaration we want, but nature doesn't always comply. But, I'll leave the semantics up to you, to play with...

Into the Night wrote:
Science is not a date.
Science is a set of falsifiable theories.

James___ wrote:

Into the Night wrote:
Science is not a date.
Science is a set of falsifiable theories.

An equinox is a science date. Can you falsify that? No YOU can't because it "IS".
Unlike your religious beliefs, while scientists does not like it because they can be like you, theories can be expanded upon.
If you notice, scientists in Tel-Aviv used logic to allude to a prophecy warned Ramses and his son Ra-Ramses that a drought was coming. Their logic did not allow them to consider that Egyptians had learned how to irrigate their crops.
In that instance, they are like you. And with the scientists in Tel_Aviv, do they not know the history of the Middle East? Does their logic not allow for it? The shaduf is a counter weighted manual water pump. They simply pull the bucket down into the water and then release it. The counter weight will then lift the bucket out of the Nile. This is how they irrigated crops during a drought.

HarveyH55 wrote:

James___ wrote:

Into the Night wrote:
Science is not a date.
Science is a set of falsifiable theories.

An equinox is a science date. Can you falsify that? No YOU can't because it "IS".
Unlike your religious beliefs, while scientists does not like it because they can be like you, theories can be expanded upon.
If you notice, scientists in Tel-Aviv used logic to allude to a prophecy warned Ramses and his son Ra-Ramses that a drought was coming. Their logic did not allow them to consider that Egyptians had learned how to irrigate their crops.
In that instance, they are like you. And with the scientists in Tel_Aviv, do they not know the history of the Middle East? Does their logic not allow for it? The shaduf is a counter weighted manual water pump. They simply pull the bucket down into the water and then release it. The counter weight will then lift the bucket out of the Nile. This is how they irrigated crops during a drought.

Wouldn't a gravity wheel move more water? It was a predictable drought...