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what is socialism10-12-2021 18:39
keepit
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i thought it was where the govt owned the oil wells and the farmland and things were run by a dictator and people had to place capital letters in the proper places.
Many countries have socialized medicine but it didn't turn them into socialist countries..
I remember when the govt made documentary films about the dangers of pot turning everyone into heroin addicts and generating fear that if we didn't defend south vietnam the communists would gain all other counties in a domino effect.
Those were real fear mongering examples.
Edited on 10-12-2021 18:45
10-12-2021 20:09
Into the NightProfile picture★★★★★
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keepit wrote:
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i thought it was where the govt owned the oil wells and the farmland and things were run by a dictator and people had to place capital letters in the proper places.
Many countries have socialized medicine but it didn't turn them into socialist countries..
I remember when the govt made documentary films about the dangers of pot turning everyone into heroin addicts and generating fear that if we didn't defend south vietnam the communists would gain all other counties in a domino effect.
Those were real fear mongering examples.


Socialism is government interference in the economy.

It takes two major forms: communism, and fascism.

Fascism is government manipulation of markets.
Communism is government ownership of markets.

It is not a form of government. There is no such thing as a 'socialist' nation or a 'capitalist' nation. Capitalism and socialism exist in every country.

'Socialized medicine' is communism. The government owns the market.
In the States, medicine is also socialized, in the form of fascism for some elements and capitalism for others.

The movie Reefer Madness is not about Vietnam. It is a goofy film made about the dangers of pot (and completely inaccurate).

The threat against Vietnam and cascading across Asia was real. That war ended effectively in an armistice (no one won). Vietnam today has an oligarchy as a form of government.


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10-12-2021 20:22
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so many errors and exaggerations.
Edited on 10-12-2021 20:22
10-12-2021 23:24
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keepit wrote:
so many errors and exaggerations.

so much stupidity and generalizations.
11-12-2021 00:41
Into the NightProfile picture★★★★★
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keepit wrote:
so many errors and exaggerations.


Void argument fallacy. No argument presented.


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11-12-2021 01:35
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gfm,
Overgeneralization - true
Stupidity - what can i say?
11-12-2021 02:01
James___
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gfm7175 wrote:
keepit wrote:
so many errors and exaggerations.

so much stupidity and generalizations.



Communism comes from the Book of Acts.
Acts 4:32 All the believers were one in heart and mind. No one claimed that any of their possessions was their own, but they shared everything they had. 33 With great power the apostles continued to testify to the resurrection of the Lord Jesus. And God's grace was so powerfully at work in them all 34 that there were no needy persons among them. For from time to time those who owned land or houses sold them, brought the money from the sales 35 and put it at the apostles' feet, and it was distributed to anyone who had need.

Socialism is not communism. Sweden is an evil socialist country. This is one of its exports while nothing in the U.S. can compare. Watch the video. And again, watch the video. This car comes from Sweden/Scandinavia...home of the Norwegian Jet Stream.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QwCOLuecsWs
Attached image:


Edited on 11-12-2021 02:29
11-12-2021 05:42
Spongy Iris
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The belief in being social. Nothing more. Nothing less.

ITN doesn't much like socialism , just look at his social skills displayed in this forum.

He seems to only believe in money. Capitalism.


11-12-2021 06:23
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Socialism is taking much of my hard earned paycheck, and passing it out to a bunch of lazy-ass whiskey guzzlers, allergic to work. Charity is not a function of the government.
11-12-2021 06:42
James___
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HarveyH55 wrote:
Socialism is taking much of my hard earned paycheck, and passing it out to a bunch of lazy-ass whiskey guzzlers, allergic to work. Charity is not a function of the government.



I hate having to be nice Harvey but Trump is about making America Great Again.
If only that included Americans like Ivanka and Melania. As for myself, I am open to diplomacy.
12-12-2021 00:41
Into the NightProfile picture★★★★★
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keepit wrote:
gfm,
Overgeneralization - true
Stupidity - what can i say?

Inversion fallacy. You are describing yourself again.


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12-12-2021 00:55
Into the NightProfile picture★★★★★
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James___ wrote:
gfm7175 wrote:
keepit wrote:
so many errors and exaggerations.

so much stupidity and generalizations.



Communism comes from the Book of Acts.

No, it doesn't.
James___ wrote:
Acts 4:32 All the believers were one in heart and mind. No one claimed that any of their possessions was their own, but they shared everything they had. 33 With great power the apostles continued to testify to the resurrection of the Lord Jesus. And God's grace was so powerfully at work in them all 34 that there were no needy persons among them. For from time to time those who owned land or houses sold them, brought the money from the sales 35 and put it at the apostles' feet, and it was distributed to anyone who had need.

This is charity, not communism.
James___ wrote:
Socialism is not communism.

True, but communism is socialism.
James___ wrote:
Sweden is an evil socialist country. This is one of its exports while nothing in the U.S. can compare. Watch the video. And again, watch the video. This car comes from Sweden/Scandinavia...home of the Norwegian Jet Stream.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QwCOLuecsWs

So Sweden has wasted money on a concept car. Meh.


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12-12-2021 01:10
Into the NightProfile picture★★★★★
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Spongy Iris wrote:
The belief in being social. Nothing more. Nothing less.

Not the definition of socialism. Redefinition fallacy.
Spongy Iris wrote:
ITN doesn't much like socialism , just look at his social skills displayed in this forum.
Insult fallacy.
Spongy Iris wrote:
He seems to only believe in money. Capitalism.

Not the definition of capitalism. Redefinition fallacy.

You're gonna have to use English here. Liberal doesn't work.


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12-12-2021 01:12
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HarveyH55 wrote:
Socialism is taking much of my hard earned paycheck, and passing it out to a bunch of lazy-ass whiskey guzzlers, allergic to work. Charity is not a function of the government.

Absolutely correct. Charity is a function of yourself, and only yourself. It is voluntarily giving of yourself to others in need.

Government is force. Government cannot force charity. Taking your wealth by force and giving to others (mostly itself) is theft.


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12-12-2021 01:12
Into the NightProfile picture★★★★★
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James___ wrote:
HarveyH55 wrote:
Socialism is taking much of my hard earned paycheck, and passing it out to a bunch of lazy-ass whiskey guzzlers, allergic to work. Charity is not a function of the government.



I hate having to be nice Harvey but Trump is about making America Great Again.
If only that included Americans like Ivanka and Melania. As for myself, I am open to diplomacy.


It is for everyone willing to work for it.


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12-12-2021 02:40
Spongy Iris
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Into the Night wrote:
Spongy Iris wrote:
The belief in being social. Nothing more. Nothing less.

Not the definition of socialism. Redefinition fallacy.
Spongy Iris wrote:
ITN doesn't much like socialism , just look at his social skills displayed in this forum.
Insult fallacy.
Spongy Iris wrote:
He seems to only believe in money. Capitalism.

Not the definition of capitalism. Redefinition fallacy.

You're gonna have to use English here. Liberal doesn't work.


Any word that ends in "ism" is just a belief. Like a religion.


12-12-2021 05:18
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Spongy Iris wrote:The belief in being social. Nothing more. Nothing less.

Ambiguous. You must first specify which kind of socialism. When I discuss socialism, I specify Marxist socialism, as defined in the Communist Manifesto which itself specifies several distinct types of socialism, all of which are therefore included in my definition.

Spongy Iris wrote: ITN doesn't much like socialism

Into the Night doesn't care much for the socialism he has courteously specified.

Spongy Iris wrote: just look at his social skills displayed in this forum.

Polite. Courteous. Patient. Helpful. It's not like he's calling people scientifically illiterate morons or mocking people's financial gullibility like a certain ashsole on this board.

Spongy Iris wrote:He seems to only believe in money.

Apparently you haven't been paying attention. *I* am the money believer; Into the Night ... not so much. Is there something you need to say to me?

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12-12-2021 05:32
Spongy Iris
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IBdaMann wrote:
Spongy Iris wrote:The belief in being social. Nothing more. Nothing less.

Ambiguous. You must first specify which kind of socialism. When I discuss socialism, I specify Marxist socialism, as defined in the Communist Manifesto which itself specifies several distinct types of socialism, all of which are therefore included in my definition.

Spongy Iris wrote: ITN doesn't much like socialism

Into the Night doesn't care much for the socialism he has courteously specified.

Spongy Iris wrote: just look at his social skills displayed in this forum.

Polite. Courteous. Patient. Helpful. It's not like he's calling people scientifically illiterate morons or mocking people's financial gullibility like a certain ashsole on this board.

Spongy Iris wrote:He seems to only believe in money.

Apparently you haven't been paying attention. *I* am the money believer; Into the Night ... not so much. Is there something you need to say to me?

.


It is highly doubtful you would behave in person the way you do online. It's very anti social. You are an example of a reason why we need money. It's not possible for people to socialize without descending into chaos.



Edited on 12-12-2021 05:35
12-12-2021 05:39
IBdaMannProfile picture★★★★★
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Spongy Iris wrote:Any word that ends in "ism" is just a belief. Like a religion.

Schism, Prism, Jism, Botulism, Obstructionism, Exceptionalism, Impressionism ... there are many others that are not any sort of belief.

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12-12-2021 05:45
Spongy Iris
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IBdaMann wrote:
Spongy Iris wrote:Any word that ends in "ism" is just a belief. Like a religion.

Schism, Prism, Jism, Botulism, Obstructionism, Exceptionalism, Impressionism ... there are many others that are not any sort of belief.

.


As much as I'd love to continue this mental masturbation with you, I think I will be moving onto something else.


12-12-2021 06:46
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Spongy Iris wrote:As much as I'd love to continue this mental masturbation with you, I think I will be moving onto something else.

I'm going to hold you to that.
12-12-2021 06:55
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Spongy Iris wrote:It is highly doubtful you would behave in person the way you do online.

There is no "in person" with an anonymous avatar that isn't online.

Spongy Iris wrote: It's very anti social.

IBDaMann focuses on being absolutely correct all the time and doesn't pay any attention to social details. Don't be afraid to come to me with the hard stuff.

Spongy Iris wrote:You are an example of a reason why we need money.

That is probably the best compliment I've received all week. Thank you.

Spongy Iris wrote: It's not possible for people to socialize without descending into chaos.

That's why I'm planning on opening a basement pub called "CHAOS" into which people can freely descend. I'm also thinking of opening a strip club called "The Post Office" so husbands can freely tell their wives where they are going.
12-12-2021 08:18
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IBdaMann wrote:There is no "in person" with an anonymous avatar that isn't online.

This was very poor wording on my part. Allow me to reword:

In anonymous fora, an online avatar is "in person." There is nothing else.
12-12-2021 19:52
Into the NightProfile picture★★★★★
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Spongy Iris wrote:
Into the Night wrote:
Spongy Iris wrote:
The belief in being social. Nothing more. Nothing less.

Not the definition of socialism. Redefinition fallacy.
Spongy Iris wrote:
ITN doesn't much like socialism , just look at his social skills displayed in this forum.
Insult fallacy.
Spongy Iris wrote:
He seems to only believe in money. Capitalism.

Not the definition of capitalism. Redefinition fallacy.

You're gonna have to use English here. Liberal doesn't work.


Any word that ends in "ism" is just a belief. Like a religion.

You're gonna have to use English here. Liberal doesn't work.


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12-12-2021 19:54
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Spongy Iris wrote:
IBdaMann wrote:
Spongy Iris wrote:The belief in being social. Nothing more. Nothing less.

Ambiguous. You must first specify which kind of socialism. When I discuss socialism, I specify Marxist socialism, as defined in the Communist Manifesto which itself specifies several distinct types of socialism, all of which are therefore included in my definition.

Spongy Iris wrote: ITN doesn't much like socialism

Into the Night doesn't care much for the socialism he has courteously specified.

Spongy Iris wrote: just look at his social skills displayed in this forum.

Polite. Courteous. Patient. Helpful. It's not like he's calling people scientifically illiterate morons or mocking people's financial gullibility like a certain ashsole on this board.

Spongy Iris wrote:He seems to only believe in money.

Apparently you haven't been paying attention. *I* am the money believer; Into the Night ... not so much. Is there something you need to say to me?

.


It is highly doubtful you would behave in person the way you do online. It's very anti social. You are an example of a reason why we need money. It's not possible for people to socialize without descending into chaos.

You're gonna have to use English. Liberal doesn't work here.


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12-12-2021 19:54
Into the NightProfile picture★★★★★
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Spongy Iris wrote:
IBdaMann wrote:
Spongy Iris wrote:Any word that ends in "ism" is just a belief. Like a religion.

Schism, Prism, Jism, Botulism, Obstructionism, Exceptionalism, Impressionism ... there are many others that are not any sort of belief.

.


As much as I'd love to continue this mental masturbation with you, I think I will be moving onto something else.

Tired of your semantic fallacies?


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12-12-2021 20:17
IBdaMannProfile picture★★★★★
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Spongy Iris wrote:Any word that ends in "ism" is just a belief. Like a religion.

Your syllogism is ambiguous.
12-12-2021 21:25
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Spongy Iris wrote:As much as I'd love to continue this mental masturbation with you,...

I like your euphemism in keeping with the parallelism needed to maintain the loxodremism.

Kudos.
12-12-2021 21:43
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IBdaMann wrote:
Spongy Iris wrote:Any word that ends in "ism" is just a belief. Like a religion.

Your syllogism is ambiguous.


Nicely put!



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21-12-2021 08:22
ellisael
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Hi, i think for this conversation some basic sociology and theories of governance would be useful. If i may ask to look at some references, you could choose to
the only thing I would like to add- something some above folks have already said in diff words- is that one's context and upbringing like the red scare cannot be differentiated completely from one's understanding of a concept.
21-12-2021 18:23
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ellisael wrote:Hi, i think for this conversation some basic sociology and theories of governance would be useful.



Here is your socialist definition and governance:

The Communist Manifesto.





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