22-05-2024 02:23 | |
Im a BM★★★★☆ (1097) |
Yes, there IS such as thing as "biogeochemistry". All the most relevant posts of this thread are compiled, beginning about 1/2 way down page 3. "Sealover" is a PhD biogeochemist whose published research is often cited in peer-reviewed scientific papers about carbon and nitrogen cycling, and implications for climate change. duncan61 wrote: Relevant posts of thread are compiled, beginning 1/2 way down page 3. FACT: There IS such a thing as "biogeochemistry" |
22-05-2024 03:13 | |
keepit★★★★★ (3330) |
itn, A funny example of einstein's quotes was "doing the same thing repetitively even in the face of disappointing results is one definition of insanity". For example, constantly repeating the phrase "stop spamming" even the it doesn't change anything fits the definition perfectly. |
22-05-2024 06:15 | |
IBdaMann★★★★★ (14831) |
Im a BM wrote: Yes, there IS such as thing as "biogeochemistry". Nope. There is no such thing as biogleeclubministry. There is chemistry. Im a BM wrote: FACT: There IS such a thing as "biogeochemistry" There is no such thing as bigcolostomy. |
22-05-2024 06:20 | |
IBdaMann★★★★★ (14831) |
keepit wrote:itn, A funny example of einstein's quotes was "doing the same thing repetitively even in the face of disappointing results is one definition of insanity". For example, constantly repeating the phrase "stop spamming" even the it doesn't change anything fits the definition perfectly. keepit, a funny example of Einstein's quotes was "People with down syndrome think 1 + 1 = 1. For example, thinking that $1 + $1 = $1 fits the definition perfectly. |
23-05-2024 02:54 | |
sealover★★★★☆ (1731) |
Yes, there IS such as thing as "biogeochemistry". All the most relevant posts of this thread are compiled, beginning about 1/2 way down page 3. "Sealover" is a PhD biogeochemist whose published research is often cited in peer-reviewed scientific papers about carbon and nitrogen cycling, and implications for climate change. duncan61 wrote: Relevant posts of thread are compiled, beginning 1/2 way down page 3. SEE 5 OTHER THREADS ABOUT BIOGEOCHEMISTRY AND GLOBAL CHANGE |
23-05-2024 03:21 | |
Into the Night★★★★★ (22414) |
Buzzword fallacy. Science does not use consensus. There is not voting bloc in science. Climate cannot change. No gas or vapor has the capability to warm the Earth. You cannot create energy from nothing. |
23-05-2024 04:25 | |
sealover★★★★☆ (1731) |
Yes, there IS such as thing as "biogeochemistry". All the most relevant posts of this thread are compiled, beginning about 1/2 way down page 3. "Sealover" is a PhD biogeochemist whose published research is often cited in peer-reviewed scientific papers about carbon and nitrogen cycling, and implications for climate change. duncan61 wrote: Relevant posts of thread are compiled, beginning 1/2 way down page 3. SEE 5 OTHER THREADS ABOUT BIOGEOCHEMISTRY AND GLOBAL CHANGE |
23-05-2024 05:31 | |
IBdaMann★★★★★ (14831) |
Im a BM wrote: Yes, there IS such as thing as "biogeochemistry". Nope. There is no such thing as biogleeclubministry. There is chemistry. Im a BM wrote: FACT: There IS such a thing as "biogeochemistry" There is no such thing as bigcolostomy. |
23-05-2024 22:55 | |
Im a BM★★★★☆ (1097) |
IBdaMann wrote:Im a BM wrote: Yes, there IS such as thing as "biogeochemistry". After nine years of... posting, maybe you should compile some of your "greatest hits". IBdaMann and Into the Night, I encourage both of you to find the BEST of your past posts and compile them so they can all be seen together in one place. The posts where you make the most convincing argument to prove your... whatever your point is. I hope that they won't all be one liners like Define your terms. There is no such thing as 'climate change'. Science is not... You are a liar. You are a moron. You don't even know what science is. Stop spamming. Surely, after eight or nine years, you have posted something that is of lasting value and you are proud to share it again. I mean, "Biogeochemistry debunked", for example. So much to be learned from it. Please put together an album of your greatest hits, so people will have some idea what the eff you are even trying to say. Or at least prove that you HAVE something to say. Other than trolling other people's posts on threads you don't even understand. |
24-05-2024 00:51 | |
Into the Night★★★★★ (22414) |
Im a BM wrote:IBdaMann wrote:Im a BM wrote: Yes, there IS such as thing as "biogeochemistry". Stop whining. The Parrot Killer Debunked in my sig. - tmiddles Google keeps track of paranoid talk and i'm not on their list. I've been evaluated and certified. - keepit nuclear powered ships do not require nuclear fuel. - Swan While it is true that fossils do not burn it is also true that fossil fuels burn very well - Swan |
24-05-2024 01:43 | |
keepit★★★★★ (3330) |
itn, He's not whining. He's trying to educate you. Personally, i think it's hopeless. Myself, i like to cogitate on the issues that come up here. By seeing the nonsense that comes out here, i formulate better ideas. |
24-05-2024 01:43 | |
keepit★★★★★ (3330) |
itn, He's not whining. He's trying to educate you. Personally, i think it's hopeless. Myself, i like to cogitate on the issues that come up here. By seeing the nonsense that comes out here, i formulate better ideas. |
24-05-2024 06:04 | |
IBdaMann★★★★★ (14831) |
keepit wrote: itn, He's not whining. He's trying to educate you. keepit, you're full of baloney. squeal-over furniture has done nothing but preach Global Warming since arrival. He refuses to define his terms, which precludes him from trying to teach anything. Either he has a one-way conversation, i.e. he preaches and you listen, or he pouts like a baby all the way home. You, on the other hand, rarely have a coherent point. When you do, it's always absurdly wrong. You've made too many false statements, keepit. You can't be believed. keepit wrote: Myself, i like to cogitate on the issues that come up here. Baloney. You aren't capable of any thinking. Show me a post of yours that reflects thinking on your part. keepit wrote: By seeing the nonsense that comes out here, i formulate better ideas. You have never formulated an idea. You only spew baloney. |
24-05-2024 06:40 | |
keepit★★★★★ (3330) |
ibd, You're working way too hard. Relax. |
24-05-2024 18:02 | |
IBdaMann★★★★★ (14831) |
keepit wrote:ibd, You're working way too hard. Relax. Calm down, keepit. There's no need to get all triggered. |
24-05-2024 19:55 | |
sealover★★★★☆ (1731) |
All the most relevant posts of this thread are compiled, beginning about 1/2 way down page 3. "Sealover" is a PhD biogeochemist whose published research is often cited in peer-reviewed scientific papers about carbon and nitrogen cycling, and implications for climate change. duncan61 wrote: Relevant posts of thread are compiled, beginning 1/2 way down page 3. SEE 5 OTHER THREADS ABOUT BIOGEOCHEMISTRY AND GLOBAL CHANGE |
24-05-2024 22:44 | |
Into the Night★★★★★ (22414) |
Stop spamming. |
10-09-2024 20:44 | |
Im a BM★★★★☆ (1097) |
"Rain is naturally acidic" - Into the Night As they say, even a broken clock is right twice a day. Yes, it is. Natural rainfall, NOT impacted by H2SO4 or HNO3, is acidic. At 400 ppm CO2, rainwater has a pH about 5.6 The pH of rainwater can be calculated using Henry's Law. If the concentration of CO2 doubled to 800 ppm, the pH of rainwater would be about 5.3 That is because carbon dioxide dissolves in water, and some of it becomes carbonic acid (e.g. ocean "acidification") Distilled, deionized can be produced with pH 7.0 As soon as it comes into contact with the atmosphere, it will start to become acidic. A cup of plain, drinking water will acidify to pH 5.6 if it is given enough time to reach equilibrium with the atmosphere. That is 1.4 pH units on the acid side of neutral. In contrast, sea water at pH 8.2, is 1.2 pH units on the alkaline side of neutral. Drinking water is more acidic than sea water is alkaline. It doesn't dissolve our teeth when we drink. It isn't even acidic enough to have sour taste. And sea water isn't caustic. It is only slightly alkaline. "Alkaline environments are hostile to life and require special adaptations to survive." - IBdaMann In "very alkaline" environment, which the sea is NOT, this may be true. The circumneutral pH of the slightly alkaline sea is in the IDEAL pH range for life. "Life is acidic. If the ocean's pH level were to decrease and cross the threshold to become acidic, marine life could thrive like never before." - IBdaMann Well, it wouldn't have to go down much in pH to cross that threshold. But it is very highly buffered against pH change by the carbonate system. If space aliens with super technology changed the world ocean from pH 8.2 to pH 7, marine life could NOT thrive like never before. Very few organisms would survive the mass extinction. But as we drive the slightly alkaline sea a LITTLE CLOSER to that pH 7 threshold, it is already diminishing the sea's capacity to support life. Just as atmospheric carbon dioxide dissolves in fresh water to take the pH down to 5.6, it dissolves in sea water. Increased input of carbonic acid to the sea has taken the pH down from about 8.2 to 8.2 Increased concentration of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere has caused the "naturally acidic" pH of rain to decrease slightly. However, this is not what is called "acid rain" (acidic deposition) "Acid rain" is when sulfuric acid and nitric acid, from human activity, bring the pH down to 4 or even 3. "Acid fog" can have pH as low as 2. When the marble columns of ancient monuments started dissolving, etching little trails along the flow paths, people noticed that "acid rain" could have real impact Sulfuric acid in rainwater is primarily the result of burning fossil fuel that contains sulfur. Nitric acid in rainwater is primarily the result of burning ANYTHING. The high heat oxidizes some nitrogen (N2) to nitric acid (HNO3) When I began my career as a biogeochemistry researcher at UC Berkeley in 1985, "Acid rain" on the East Coast was about 2/3 sulfuric acid, and 1/3 nitric acid. Coal burning power plants were the main source of acid. "Acid rain" on the West Coast was 2/3 nitric acid, and 1/3 sulfuric acid. Automobile engines were the main source of acid.[/quote] |
10-09-2024 21:31 | |
IBdaMann★★★★★ (14831) |
Im a BM wrote: "Life is acidic. If the ocean's pH level were to decrease and cross the threshold to become acidic, marine life could thrive like never before." - IBdaMann But it can't happen. 1. You can't acidify an alkaline 2. There's too much erosion on earth keeping the ocean as alkaline as it is. Im a BM wrote: But it is very highly buffered against pH change by the carbonate system. Leftists like to speak that way because they believe it makes them appear "thmart", i.e. the carbonate system, the climate system, the social system, etc.. and they believe that adding the word "system" makes stupid religio-political positions absolutely true. Im a BM wrote: If space aliens with super technology changed the world ocean from pH 8.2 to pH 7, marine life could NOT thrive like never before. Right. Of course, being the stupid leftist that you are, all you have is the misrepresentation of others' positions. Try discussing a gradual change over time that allows time for life to adapt, as opposed to an instantaneous drastic change. It's like you don't understand any science and all the fundamentals need to be explained to you. With a gradual change over a longer time period to an acidic ocean of say pH 6.8, yes, life would thrive like never before. A biologist you are not. Ask me how I know. Im a BM wrote: But as we drive the slightly alkaline sea a LITTLE CLOSER to that pH 7 threshold, it is already diminishing the sea's capacity to support life. Now you are simply doubling down on stupid. Lake Superior, Lake Michigan and Lake George, for example, are teeming with diverse ecosystems, not suffocating from an already diminishing capacity to support life. |
10-09-2024 21:53 | |
Into the Night★★★★★ (22414) |
Im a BM wrote: It is not possible to measure the pH of the rain. It is not possible to measure the atmospheric content of CO2. Im a BM wrote: Not calculable. Im a BM wrote: It is not possible to measure the pH of the rain. Im a BM wrote: Rain is not the ocean. Im a BM wrote: There is no such thing as a 'carbonate system'. Carbonate is not a chemical. It is not possible to measure the pH of the ocean. Im a BM wrote: There is plenty of life in the ocean. Im a BM wrote: It is not possible to measure the pH of the ocean. Im a BM wrote: It is not possible to measure the atmospheric content of CO2 or the pH of the ocean. Im a BM wrote: Rain is naturally acidic. Im a BM wrote: It is not possible to measure the pH of rain. Im a BM wrote: Marble is not used for columns. Im a BM wrote: Fossils aren't used as fuel. Fossils don't burn. Fossils don't contain sulfur. Im a BM wrote: Nitric acid is not oxidized nitrogen. Im a BM wrote: There is no such thing as 'biogeochemistry'. Im a BM wrote: The primary component of rain is water. Im a BM wrote: Coal is not sulfur. Coal burning power plants trap any sulfur impurities. Im a BM wrote: The primary component of rain is water. Im a BM wrote: The exhaust of gasoline engines is primarily carbon dioxide and water, both naturally occurring materials. Neither is an acid. The Parrot Killer Debunked in my sig. - tmiddles Google keeps track of paranoid talk and i'm not on their list. I've been evaluated and certified. - keepit nuclear powered ships do not require nuclear fuel. - Swan While it is true that fossils do not burn it is also true that fossil fuels burn very well - Swan |
10-09-2024 23:00 | |
Im a BM★★★★☆ (1097) |
"It is not possible to measure the pH of the rain" - Into the Night "Rain is naturally acidic" - Into the Night Is it a paradox or just proof of omniscience? It is not possible to measure the pH of the rain, yet it is possible to somehow know with absolute certainty that rain is naturally acidic. As they say, even a broken clock is right twice a day. Yes, rain is naturally acidic. Natural rainfall, NOT impacted by H2SO4 or HNO3, is ever so slightly acidic. At 400 ppm CO2, rainwater has a pH about 5.6 The pH of rainwater can be calculated using Henry's Law. If the concentration of CO2 doubled to 800 ppm, the pH of rainwater would be about 5.3 That is because carbon dioxide dissolves in water, and some of it becomes carbonic acid (e.g. ocean "acidification") Distilled, deionized can be produced with pH 7.0 As soon as it comes into contact with the atmosphere, it will start to become acidic. A cup of plain, drinking water will acidify to pH 5.6 if it is given enough time to reach equilibrium with the atmosphere. That is 1.4 pH units on the acid side of neutral. In contrast, sea water at pH 8.2, is 1.2 pH units on the alkaline side of neutral. Drinking water is more acidic than sea water is alkaline. It doesn't dissolve our teeth when we drink. It isn't even acidic enough to have sour taste. And sea water isn't caustic. It is only slightly alkaline. "Alkaline environments are hostile to life and require special adaptations to survive." - IBdaMann In "very alkaline" environment, which the sea is NOT, this may be true. The circumneutral pH of the slightly alkaline sea is in the IDEAL pH range for life. "Life is acidic. If the ocean's pH level were to decrease and cross the threshold to become acidic, marine life could thrive like never before." - IBdaMann Well, it wouldn't have to go down much in pH to cross that threshold. But it is very highly buffered against pH change by the carbonate system. If space aliens with super technology changed the world ocean from pH 8.2 to pH 7, marine life could NOT thrive like never before. Very few organisms would survive the mass extinction. But as we drive the slightly alkaline sea a LITTLE CLOSER to that pH 7 threshold, it is already diminishing the sea's capacity to support life. Just as atmospheric carbon dioxide dissolves in fresh water to take the pH down to 5.6, it dissolves in sea water. Increased input of carbonic acid to the sea has taken the pH down from about 8.2 to 8.2 Increased concentration of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere has caused the "naturally acidic" pH of rain to decrease slightly. However, this is not what is called "acid rain" (acidic deposition) "Acid rain" is when sulfuric acid and nitric acid, from human activity, bring the pH down to 4 or even 3. "Acid fog" can have pH as low as 2. When the marble columns of ancient monuments started dissolving, etching little trails along the flow paths, people noticed that "acid rain" could have real impact Sulfuric acid in rainwater is primarily the result of burning fossil fuel that contains sulfur. Nitric acid in rainwater is primarily the result of burning ANYTHING. The high heat oxidizes some nitrogen (N2) to nitric acid (HNO3) When I began my career as a biogeochemistry researcher at UC Berkeley in 1985, "Acid rain" on the East Coast was about 2/3 sulfuric acid, and 1/3 nitric acid. Coal burning power plants were the main source of acid. "Acid rain" on the West Coast was 2/3 nitric acid, and 1/3 sulfuric acid. Automobile engines were the main source of acid.[/quote][/quote] |
11-09-2024 03:47 | |
Into the Night★★★★★ (22414) |
Im a BM wrote: Random words and phrases. RQAA. No apparent coherency. No argument presented. Most spam deleted. The Parrot Killer Debunked in my sig. - tmiddles Google keeps track of paranoid talk and i'm not on their list. I've been evaluated and certified. - keepit nuclear powered ships do not require nuclear fuel. - Swan While it is true that fossils do not burn it is also true that fossil fuels burn very well - Swan |
12-09-2024 23:07 | |
Im a BM★★★★☆ (1097) |
Into the Night wrote:Im a BM wrote: Perhaps I can decipher the definition of "spam" by looking at the large section of my post that was deleted as "spam". But what remains of it got no response. You know with absolute certainty that it is not possible to measure rain pH. You know with absolute certainty that the pH of rain is naturally acidic. Without any way to measure its pH, what evidence proves it is acidic? Is it a paradox, or just proof of your omniscience? |
12-09-2024 23:58 | |
sealover★★★★☆ (1731) |
The first time I posted this, and this is now the second time, all but two sentences of it were characterized as "spam" and were deleted in the response. The only two sentences of the post that were NOT "spam" were the two lines quoted from Into the Night. Perhaps "spam" means anything I write, or anything ITN does NOT write. My biased perspective is that the post discusses biogeochemistry, and doesn't really qualify as "spam". At least not upon its first presentation. Now that I am RE posting it, perhaps it becomes "spam" in a new way? Still can't wrap my head around the way words mean whatever ITN wants them to mean. I'm still convinced that the biogeochemistry is of value to be seen on a website supposedly intended for discussion of issues at least vaguely related to the environment. Even if it isn't quite as relevant as "Climate Marxism" ----------------------------------------------------------- "It is not possible to measure the pH of the rain" - Into the Night "Rain is naturally acidic" - Into the Night Is it a paradox or just proof of omniscience? It is not possible to measure the pH of the rain, yet it is possible to somehow know with absolute certainty that rain is naturally acidic. As they say, even a broken clock is right twice a day. Yes, rain is naturally acidic. Natural rainfall, NOT impacted by H2SO4 or HNO3, is ever so slightly acidic. At 400 ppm CO2, rainwater has a pH about 5.6 The pH of rainwater can be calculated using Henry's Law. If the concentration of CO2 doubled to 800 ppm, the pH of rainwater would be about 5.3 That is because carbon dioxide dissolves in water, and some of it becomes carbonic acid (e.g. ocean "acidification") Distilled, deionized can be produced with pH 7.0 As soon as it comes into contact with the atmosphere, it will start to become acidic. A cup of plain, drinking water will acidify to pH 5.6 if it is given enough time to reach equilibrium with the atmosphere. That is 1.4 pH units on the acid side of neutral. In contrast, sea water at pH 8.2, is 1.2 pH units on the alkaline side of neutral. Drinking water is more acidic than sea water is alkaline. It doesn't dissolve our teeth when we drink. It isn't even acidic enough to have sour taste. And sea water isn't caustic. It is only slightly alkaline. "Alkaline environments are hostile to life and require special adaptations to survive." - IBdaMann In "very alkaline" environment, which the sea is NOT, this may be true. The circumneutral pH of the slightly alkaline sea is in the IDEAL pH range for life. "Life is acidic. If the ocean's pH level were to decrease and cross the threshold to become acidic, marine life could thrive like never before." - IBdaMann Well, it wouldn't have to go down much in pH to cross that threshold. But it is very highly buffered against pH change by the carbonate system. If space aliens with super technology changed the world ocean from pH 8.2 to pH 7, marine life could NOT thrive like never before. Very few organisms would survive the mass extinction. But as we drive the slightly alkaline sea a LITTLE CLOSER to that pH 7 threshold, it is already diminishing the sea's capacity to support life. Just as atmospheric carbon dioxide dissolves in fresh water to take the pH down to 5.6, it dissolves in sea water. Increased input of carbonic acid to the sea has taken the pH down from about 8.2 to 8.2 Increased concentration of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere has caused the "naturally acidic" pH of rain to decrease slightly. However, this is not what is called "acid rain" (acidic deposition) "Acid rain" is when sulfuric acid and nitric acid, from human activity, bring the pH down to 4 or even 3. "Acid fog" can have pH as low as 2. When the marble columns of ancient monuments started dissolving, etching little trails along the flow paths, people noticed that "acid rain" could have real impact Sulfuric acid in rainwater is primarily the result of burning fossil fuel that contains sulfur. Nitric acid in rainwater is primarily the result of burning ANYTHING. The high heat oxidizes some nitrogen (N2) to nitric acid (HNO3) When I began my career as a biogeochemistry researcher at UC Berkeley in 1985, "Acid rain" on the East Coast was about 2/3 sulfuric acid, and 1/3 nitric acid. Coal burning power plants were the main source of acid. "Acid rain" on the West Coast was 2/3 nitric acid, and 1/3 sulfuric acid. Automobile engines were the main source of acid.[/quote][/quote][/quote] |
13-09-2024 02:59 | |
Into the Night★★★★★ (22414) |
Stop spamming. |
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