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warmazombies14-01-2021 07:45
duncan61
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I have met my first warmazombie.He is the barman at a social club I am going to join.It started when I said to him how I am going to enjoy being a member for the next ten years and he stated the world might not be here in 10 years because of climate change.We are going to engage on it at the first opportunity and I will lead with sea levels as that is always a good place to start.


duncan61
14-01-2021 08:49
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Make bet with the barman:

Talk about sea level rise when ice melts.

Have him fill a glass with ice, then fill that with water to the brim, leaving that glass on the bar.
Bet him that the water will NOT spill over the top when the ice melts.

That's a good way to start the 'sea level' discussion.
14-01-2021 13:23
duncan61
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I went to the East bank when the tide was at 1.1 and measured to the water and it was 400mm to the top of the wall.The same as it was in 1968 when the wall was built
14-01-2021 20:36
Into the NightProfile picture★★★★★
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duncan61 wrote:
I went to the East bank when the tide was at 1.1 and measured to the water and it was 400mm to the top of the wall.The same as it was in 1968 when the wall was built


Where is the tidal station there? How do you know the tide was at 1.1? Is that station mounted to that wall?


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14-01-2021 20:40
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Into the Night wrote:
duncan61 wrote:
I went to the East bank when the tide was at 1.1 and measured to the water and it was 400mm to the top of the wall.The same as it was in 1968 when the wall was built


Where is the tidal station there? How do you know the tide was at 1.1? Is that station mounted to that wall?


What is the wall's vertical movement? is it sinking along with surrounding shore?

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A Spaghetti strainer with the faucet running, retains water- tmiddles

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14-01-2021 21:08
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IBdaMann wrote:
Into the Night wrote:
duncan61 wrote:
I went to the East bank when the tide was at 1.1 and measured to the water and it was 400mm to the top of the wall.The same as it was in 1968 when the wall was built


Where is the tidal station there? How do you know the tide was at 1.1? Is that station mounted to that wall?


What is the wall's vertical movement? is it sinking along with surrounding shore?

.

Unknown.


The Parrot Killer

Debunked in my sig. - tmiddles

Google keeps track of paranoid talk and i'm not on their list. I've been evaluated and certified. - keepit
15-01-2021 02:11
duncan61
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If the sea level stays where it is and the wall stays where it is and I can park at the left bank pub and get fish and chips and a pint of pale ale without needing a canoe I will be a happy camper.If the sea level rise had happened I would see it on the rock wall.Remember the claim is all these F&^k tonnes of ice has already melted and the sea has gone up 8 inches.The tide was predicted at 10.45 am at 1.1 metres The jetty on the left has an old style post with markings also there is a floating tide gauge with aerials on top just past the traffic bridge.There are 5 tide gauges in the river at East Fremantle I am aware of.
15-01-2021 02:26
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duncan61 wrote: If the sea level stays where it is and the wall stays where it is ...

The problem is that the earth moves. It shifts horizontally, it bubbles/bulges, it shifts vertically (either up or down) and it erodes ... constantly. Any wall that is in the ground will move as the ground moves. If the ground sinks then the wall sinks. If the ground is rising then the wall is rising. If the ground is shifting west-by-northwest at a rate of two inches per year then the wall has a west-by-northwest velocity of 2 inches per year.

Using the wall as a point of reference will result in this movement manifesting itself as hard errors and will certainly cause the sea level to appear to be changing because the reference point to any tidal measures is shifting.

duncan61 wrote: There are 5 tide gauges in the river at East Fremantle I am aware of.

What is the reference point for these tide gauges?

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A Spaghetti strainer with the faucet running, retains water- tmiddles

Clouds don't trap heat. Clouds block cold. - Spongy Iris

Printing dollars to pay debt doesn't increase the number of dollars. - keepit

If Venus were a black body it would have a much much lower temperature than what we found there.- tmiddles

Ah the "Valid Data" myth of ITN/IBD. - tmiddles

Ceist - I couldn't agree with you more. But when money and religion are involved, and there are people who value them above all else, then the lies begin. - trafn

You are completely misunderstanding their use of the word "accumulation"! - Climate Scientist.

The Stefan-Boltzman equation doesn't come up with the correct temperature if greenhouse gases are not considered - Hank

:*sigh* Not the "raw data" crap. - Leafsdude

IB STILL hasn't explained what Planck's Law means. Just more hand waving that it applies to everything and more asserting that the greenhouse effect 'violates' it.- Ceist
15-01-2021 04:38
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duncan61 wrote:
If the sea level stays where it is and the wall stays where it is and I can park at the left bank pub and get fish and chips and a pint of pale ale without needing a canoe I will be a happy camper.If the sea level rise had happened I would see it on the rock wall.Remember the claim is all these F&^k tonnes of ice has already melted and the sea has gone up 8 inches.The tide was predicted at 10.45 am at 1.1 metres The jetty on the left has an old style post with markings also there is a floating tide gauge with aerials on top just past the traffic bridge.There are 5 tide gauges in the river at East Fremantle I am aware of.


So it would seem that your wall is stable, at least in comparison to the jetty where the tidal station is. Did that station actually read 1.1 at the time?

Of course, both could be moving together.

The problem with tidal stations is that they are sitting on land, which moves. The land even has a tide of its own. Land shifts, moves, sinks, rises.

Remember predicted tide is not actual tide. Many factors affect the actual tide, including barometric pressure at the time.


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15-01-2021 06:04
duncan61
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I get where you are going team my reality is the river appears to be in the same place as it has always been and has never come over on to the road.We have very small tidal movement at Fremantle there are times it is coming in from the sea against the outward flow of the river




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