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warmazombies14-01-2021 07:45
duncan61
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I have met my first warmazombie.He is the barman at a social club I am going to join.It started when I said to him how I am going to enjoy being a member for the next ten years and he stated the world might not be here in 10 years because of climate change.We are going to engage on it at the first opportunity and I will lead with sea levels as that is always a good place to start.


duncan61
14-01-2021 08:49
Into the NightProfile picture★★★★★
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Make bet with the barman:

Talk about sea level rise when ice melts.

Have him fill a glass with ice, then fill that with water to the brim, leaving that glass on the bar.
Bet him that the water will NOT spill over the top when the ice melts.

That's a good way to start the 'sea level' discussion.
14-01-2021 13:23
duncan61
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I went to the East bank when the tide was at 1.1 and measured to the water and it was 400mm to the top of the wall.The same as it was in 1968 when the wall was built
14-01-2021 20:36
Into the NightProfile picture★★★★★
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duncan61 wrote:
I went to the East bank when the tide was at 1.1 and measured to the water and it was 400mm to the top of the wall.The same as it was in 1968 when the wall was built


Where is the tidal station there? How do you know the tide was at 1.1? Is that station mounted to that wall?


The Parrot Killer

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14-01-2021 20:40
IBdaMannProfile picture★★★★★
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Into the Night wrote:
duncan61 wrote:
I went to the East bank when the tide was at 1.1 and measured to the water and it was 400mm to the top of the wall.The same as it was in 1968 when the wall was built


Where is the tidal station there? How do you know the tide was at 1.1? Is that station mounted to that wall?


What is the wall's vertical movement? is it sinking along with surrounding shore?

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A Spaghetti strainer with the faucet running, retains water- tmiddles

Clouds don't trap heat. Clouds block cold. - Spongy Iris

Printing dollars to pay debt doesn't increase the number of dollars. - keepit

If Venus were a black body it would have a much much lower temperature than what we found there.- tmiddles

Ah the "Valid Data" myth of ITN/IBD. - tmiddles

Ceist - I couldn't agree with you more. But when money and religion are involved, and there are people who value them above all else, then the lies begin. - trafn

You are completely misunderstanding their use of the word "accumulation"! - Climate Scientist.

The Stefan-Boltzman equation doesn't come up with the correct temperature if greenhouse gases are not considered - Hank

:*sigh* Not the "raw data" crap. - Leafsdude

IB STILL hasn't explained what Planck's Law means. Just more hand waving that it applies to everything and more asserting that the greenhouse effect 'violates' it.- Ceist
14-01-2021 21:08
Into the NightProfile picture★★★★★
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IBdaMann wrote:
Into the Night wrote:
duncan61 wrote:
I went to the East bank when the tide was at 1.1 and measured to the water and it was 400mm to the top of the wall.The same as it was in 1968 when the wall was built


Where is the tidal station there? How do you know the tide was at 1.1? Is that station mounted to that wall?


What is the wall's vertical movement? is it sinking along with surrounding shore?

.

Unknown.


The Parrot Killer

Debunked in my sig. - tmiddles

Google keeps track of paranoid talk and i'm not on their list. I've been evaluated and certified. - keepit

nuclear powered ships do not require nuclear fuel. - Swan
15-01-2021 02:11
duncan61
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If the sea level stays where it is and the wall stays where it is and I can park at the left bank pub and get fish and chips and a pint of pale ale without needing a canoe I will be a happy camper.If the sea level rise had happened I would see it on the rock wall.Remember the claim is all these F&^k tonnes of ice has already melted and the sea has gone up 8 inches.The tide was predicted at 10.45 am at 1.1 metres The jetty on the left has an old style post with markings also there is a floating tide gauge with aerials on top just past the traffic bridge.There are 5 tide gauges in the river at East Fremantle I am aware of.
15-01-2021 02:26
IBdaMannProfile picture★★★★★
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duncan61 wrote: If the sea level stays where it is and the wall stays where it is ...

The problem is that the earth moves. It shifts horizontally, it bubbles/bulges, it shifts vertically (either up or down) and it erodes ... constantly. Any wall that is in the ground will move as the ground moves. If the ground sinks then the wall sinks. If the ground is rising then the wall is rising. If the ground is shifting west-by-northwest at a rate of two inches per year then the wall has a west-by-northwest velocity of 2 inches per year.

Using the wall as a point of reference will result in this movement manifesting itself as hard errors and will certainly cause the sea level to appear to be changing because the reference point to any tidal measures is shifting.

duncan61 wrote: There are 5 tide gauges in the river at East Fremantle I am aware of.

What is the reference point for these tide gauges?

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A Spaghetti strainer with the faucet running, retains water- tmiddles

Clouds don't trap heat. Clouds block cold. - Spongy Iris

Printing dollars to pay debt doesn't increase the number of dollars. - keepit

If Venus were a black body it would have a much much lower temperature than what we found there.- tmiddles

Ah the "Valid Data" myth of ITN/IBD. - tmiddles

Ceist - I couldn't agree with you more. But when money and religion are involved, and there are people who value them above all else, then the lies begin. - trafn

You are completely misunderstanding their use of the word "accumulation"! - Climate Scientist.

The Stefan-Boltzman equation doesn't come up with the correct temperature if greenhouse gases are not considered - Hank

:*sigh* Not the "raw data" crap. - Leafsdude

IB STILL hasn't explained what Planck's Law means. Just more hand waving that it applies to everything and more asserting that the greenhouse effect 'violates' it.- Ceist
15-01-2021 04:38
Into the NightProfile picture★★★★★
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duncan61 wrote:
If the sea level stays where it is and the wall stays where it is and I can park at the left bank pub and get fish and chips and a pint of pale ale without needing a canoe I will be a happy camper.If the sea level rise had happened I would see it on the rock wall.Remember the claim is all these F&^k tonnes of ice has already melted and the sea has gone up 8 inches.The tide was predicted at 10.45 am at 1.1 metres The jetty on the left has an old style post with markings also there is a floating tide gauge with aerials on top just past the traffic bridge.There are 5 tide gauges in the river at East Fremantle I am aware of.


So it would seem that your wall is stable, at least in comparison to the jetty where the tidal station is. Did that station actually read 1.1 at the time?

Of course, both could be moving together.

The problem with tidal stations is that they are sitting on land, which moves. The land even has a tide of its own. Land shifts, moves, sinks, rises.

Remember predicted tide is not actual tide. Many factors affect the actual tide, including barometric pressure at the time.


The Parrot Killer

Debunked in my sig. - tmiddles

Google keeps track of paranoid talk and i'm not on their list. I've been evaluated and certified. - keepit

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15-01-2021 06:04
duncan61
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I get where you are going team my reality is the river appears to be in the same place as it has always been and has never come over on to the road.We have very small tidal movement at Fremantle there are times it is coming in from the sea against the outward flow of the river
27-01-2021 09:20
duncan61
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I have met my second warmazombie but he blew me of with lets agree to disagree and would not engage.He said there is no ice at the Arctic.Its all gone.so I countered with Hudson bay and the minus temperatures in britain and that was the end of it
27-01-2021 10:32
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duncan61 wrote:
I have met my second warmazombie but he blew me of with lets agree to disagree and would not engage.He said there is no ice at the Arctic.Its all gone.so I countered with Hudson bay and the minus temperatures in britain and that was the end of it


The Arctic ice has never completely melted, not even close. Al Gore was way off on that doomsday prediction. Hell, even Norway has never fully thawed out, still has plenty of glacier ice. Of course, they will never have a chance of thawing out, until they patch the hole in the ozone layer, cutting off the Norwegian Jet Stream.
27-01-2021 13:18
duncan61
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I get that Harvey.What is with you and James the guys insane handle it.Are you the Harvey from peoples court?
27-01-2021 14:35
James___
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duncan61 wrote:
I get that Harvey.What is with you and James the guys insane handle it.Are you the Harvey from peoples court?



Harvey likes Trump. I'm not a "pure" American. MAGA doesn't include people like me.It's pretty much that simple.
27-01-2021 15:44
Into the NightProfile picture★★★★★
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duncan61 wrote:
I get where you are going team my reality is the river appears to be in the same place as it has always been and has never come over on to the road.We have very small tidal movement at Fremantle there are times it is coming in from the sea against the outward flow of the river


Nice to hear that section of river seems benign and stable.


The Parrot Killer

Debunked in my sig. - tmiddles

Google keeps track of paranoid talk and i'm not on their list. I've been evaluated and certified. - keepit

nuclear powered ships do not require nuclear fuel. - Swan
27-01-2021 15:45
Into the NightProfile picture★★★★★
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duncan61 wrote:
I have met my second warmazombie but he blew me of with lets agree to disagree and would not engage.He said there is no ice at the Arctic.Its all gone.so I countered with Hudson bay and the minus temperatures in britain and that was the end of it


Gawd. It's amazing what these warmazombies believe.


The Parrot Killer

Debunked in my sig. - tmiddles

Google keeps track of paranoid talk and i'm not on their list. I've been evaluated and certified. - keepit

nuclear powered ships do not require nuclear fuel. - Swan
27-01-2021 16:50
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Into the Night wrote:
duncan61 wrote:
I have met my second warmazombie but he blew me of with lets agree to disagree and would not engage.He said there is no ice at the Arctic.Its all gone.so I countered with Hudson bay and the minus temperatures in britain and that was the end of it


Gawd. It's amazing what these warmazombies believe.

No ice at the Arctic?? hahahahahahahaha
27-01-2021 18:42
HarveyH55Profile picture★★★★★
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James___ wrote:
duncan61 wrote:
I get that Harvey.What is with you and James the guys insane handle it.Are you the Harvey from peoples court?



Harvey likes Trump. I'm not a "pure" American. MAGA doesn't include people like me.It's pretty much that simple.


You were born on American soil, your as pure as any other American. MAGA doesn't include socialist, demonrats.
27-01-2021 18:45
HarveyH55Profile picture★★★★★
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duncan61 wrote:
I get that Harvey.What is with you and James the guys insane handle it.Are you the Harvey from peoples court?


I don't watch much TV, local news mostly, when it's on. James is alright, most of the time. Just a little weird when he gets a fresh jug of Kentucky Kool-aid, or running a little dry, waiting on his Social Security check.
27-01-2021 19:45
James___
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HarveyH55 wrote:
duncan61 wrote:
I get that Harvey.What is with you and James the guys insane handle it.Are you the Harvey from peoples court?


I don't watch much TV, local news mostly, when it's on. James is alright, most of the time. Just a little weird when he gets a fresh jug of Kentucky Kool-aid, or running a little dry, waiting on his Social Security check.



Typical GOP drivel. As Jesus said;
Matthew 7:5; You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from James' eye.

edited the quote as I am not Harvey's brother. And once again I am reminded why I like math. Thank You Harvey.

Edited on 27-01-2021 20:03
27-01-2021 21:06
SwanProfile picture★★★☆☆
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Into the Night wrote:
Make bet with the barman:

Talk about sea level rise when ice melts.

Have him fill a glass with ice, then fill that with water to the brim, leaving that glass on the bar.
Bet him that the water will NOT spill over the top when the ice melts.

That's a good way to start the 'sea level' discussion.


That trick only works for the sea ice equation and even there it is not really true because sea ice often holds snowfall which raises sea level somewhat.

As for ice melting it has been melting for 20,000 years and in that time sea level has risen over 400 feet as I recall. So sea level rise is actually old news
27-01-2021 22:38
gfm7175Profile picture★★★★★
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James___ wrote:
HarveyH55 wrote:
duncan61 wrote:
I get that Harvey.What is with you and James the guys insane handle it.Are you the Harvey from peoples court?


I don't watch much TV, local news mostly, when it's on. James is alright, most of the time. Just a little weird when he gets a fresh jug of Kentucky Kool-aid, or running a little dry, waiting on his Social Security check.



Typical GOP drivel. As Jesus said;
Matthew 7:5; You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from James' eye.

edited the quote as I am not Harvey's brother. And once again I am reminded why I like math. Thank You Harvey.

Typical James babble...
27-01-2021 22:43
James___
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gfm7175 wrote:
James___ wrote:
HarveyH55 wrote:
duncan61 wrote:
I get that Harvey.What is with you and James the guys insane handle it.Are you the Harvey from peoples court?


I don't watch much TV, local news mostly, when it's on. James is alright, most of the time. Just a little weird when he gets a fresh jug of Kentucky Kool-aid, or running a little dry, waiting on his Social Security check.



Typical GOP drivel. As Jesus said;
Matthew 7:5; You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from James' eye.

edited the quote as I am not Harvey's brother. And once again I am reminded why I like math. Thank You Harvey.

Typical James babble...



Quoting the Bible is Babel? Kind of like Harvey ordering me back to work because I am handicapped. Duncan probably doesn't understand but when Harvey says people are working the system for free money, he's probably talking about me.
28-01-2021 01:50
HarveyH55Profile picture★★★★★
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People with handicaps and disabilities work. There is also a law, that protects them from discrimination, and business must provide accessibility for them, so they can work. I'm pretty sure a work allergy doesn't qualify though...
28-01-2021 03:45
James___
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gfm7175 wrote:
James___ wrote:
HarveyH55 wrote:
duncan61 wrote:
I get that Harvey.What is with you and James the guys insane handle it.Are you the Harvey from peoples court?


I don't watch much TV, local news mostly, when it's on. James is alright, most of the time. Just a little weird when he gets a fresh jug of Kentucky Kool-aid, or running a little dry, waiting on his Social Security check.



Typical GOP drivel. As Jesus said;
Matthew 7:5; You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from James' eye.

edited the quote as I am not Harvey's brother. And once again I am reminded why I like math. Thank You Harvey.

Typical James babble...


One issue I have with people is like when I went to work one day. This was in Everett, Washington. It had snowed. I saw a space between 2 parked cars. I did a snow drift and pulled a 180º turn and slid in between them.
A coworker saw it and I told them one thing, never again. It was just stupid on my part. Myself, I learned how to drive in snow and how to do such maneuvers, just not people friendly.
I pulled a 180 on a friend of mine taking a piss in a parking lot. I nailed it but lost a friend. And yet if I want to live a nice quiet life like the Amish have, Christians can't let me. I know what the extreme is. It's just that it's a place to be avoided.
28-01-2021 03:48
James___
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HarveyH55 wrote:
People with handicaps and disabilities work. There is also a law, that protects them from discrimination, and business must provide accessibility for them, so they can work. I'm pretty sure a work allergy doesn't qualify though...



Laws don't protect people from discrimination. Otherwise when I wanted to hook up with a gal that I was going to church with, the Christians that I worked with couldn't have gotten me fired.
I didn't promote my faith at work and they did.
28-01-2021 04:59
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James___ wrote:
gfm7175 wrote:
James___ wrote:
HarveyH55 wrote:
duncan61 wrote:
I get that Harvey.What is with you and James the guys insane handle it.Are you the Harvey from peoples court?


I don't watch much TV, local news mostly, when it's on. James is alright, most of the time. Just a little weird when he gets a fresh jug of Kentucky Kool-aid, or running a little dry, waiting on his Social Security check.



Typical GOP drivel. As Jesus said;
Matthew 7:5; You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from James' eye.

edited the quote as I am not Harvey's brother. And once again I am reminded why I like math. Thank You Harvey.

Typical James babble...


One issue I have with people is like when I went to work one day. This was in Everett, Washington. It had snowed. I saw a space between 2 parked cars. I did a snow drift and pulled a 180º turn and slid in between them.
A coworker saw it and I told them one thing, never again. It was just stupid on my part. Myself, I learned how to drive in snow and how to do such maneuvers, just not people friendly.
I pulled a 180 on a friend of mine taking a piss in a parking lot. I nailed it but lost a friend. And yet if I want to live a nice quiet life like the Amish have, Christians can't let me. I know what the extreme is. It's just that it's a place to be avoided.


You have no friends, because you are stupid and reckless. If you had skills, you'd know it doesn't always go as planned, and you don't risk other people lives and property, just for thrills.
28-01-2021 05:03
James___
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HarveyH55 wrote:
James___ wrote:
gfm7175 wrote:
James___ wrote:
HarveyH55 wrote:
duncan61 wrote:
I get that Harvey.What is with you and James the guys insane handle it.Are you the Harvey from peoples court?


I don't watch much TV, local news mostly, when it's on. James is alright, most of the time. Just a little weird when he gets a fresh jug of Kentucky Kool-aid, or running a little dry, waiting on his Social Security check.



Typical GOP drivel. As Jesus said;
Matthew 7:5; You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from James' eye.

edited the quote as I am not Harvey's brother. And once again I am reminded why I like math. Thank You Harvey.

Typical James babble...


One issue I have with people is like when I went to work one day. This was in Everett, Washington. It had snowed. I saw a space between 2 parked cars. I did a snow drift and pulled a 180º turn and slid in between them.
A coworker saw it and I told them one thing, never again. It was just stupid on my part. Myself, I learned how to drive in snow and how to do such maneuvers, just not people friendly.
I pulled a 180 on a friend of mine taking a piss in a parking lot. I nailed it but lost a friend. And yet if I want to live a nice quiet life like the Amish have, Christians can't let me. I know what the extreme is. It's just that it's a place to be avoided.


You have no friends, because you are stupid and reckless. If you had skills, you'd know it doesn't always go as planned, and you don't risk other people lives and property, just for thrills.



Thank You. Even the police say I am the prob;em. Why create jobs in America?
28-01-2021 05:29
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Swan wrote: That trick only works for the sea ice equation

It works on all ice.

Swan wrote: ... and even there it is not really true because sea ice often holds snowfall which raises sea level somewhat.

Nope. Into the Night is correct again. The snow atop of the ice came from the ocean so guess what ... the ocean level remains exactly the same.

Swan wrote: As for ice melting it has been melting for 20,000 years

As for ice accumulating, it has been accumulating over those same 20,000 years.

The overall amount of ice on planet earth remains the same ... unless you can provide a valid dataset showing otherwise.

Swan wrote: and in that time sea level has risen over 400 feet

Nope. Do you have a valid dataset to support that assertion? The ocean has not risen perceptibly since the late 1800's and I don't see any reason it would have risen or lowered prior to that.

Swan wrote: So sea level rise is actually old news

It's a much newer myth than Bigfoot and the chupacabra.


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A Spaghetti strainer with the faucet running, retains water- tmiddles

Clouds don't trap heat. Clouds block cold. - Spongy Iris

Printing dollars to pay debt doesn't increase the number of dollars. - keepit

If Venus were a black body it would have a much much lower temperature than what we found there.- tmiddles

Ah the "Valid Data" myth of ITN/IBD. - tmiddles

Ceist - I couldn't agree with you more. But when money and religion are involved, and there are people who value them above all else, then the lies begin. - trafn

You are completely misunderstanding their use of the word "accumulation"! - Climate Scientist.

The Stefan-Boltzman equation doesn't come up with the correct temperature if greenhouse gases are not considered - Hank

:*sigh* Not the "raw data" crap. - Leafsdude

IB STILL hasn't explained what Planck's Law means. Just more hand waving that it applies to everything and more asserting that the greenhouse effect 'violates' it.- Ceist
Edited on 28-01-2021 05:29
28-01-2021 12:21
Into the NightProfile picture★★★★★
(15506)
Swan wrote:
Into the Night wrote:
Make bet with the barman:

Talk about sea level rise when ice melts.

Have him fill a glass with ice, then fill that with water to the brim, leaving that glass on the bar.
Bet him that the water will NOT spill over the top when the ice melts.

That's a good way to start the 'sea level' discussion.


That trick only works for the sea ice equation and even there it is not really true because sea ice often holds snowfall which raises sea level somewhat.

As for ice melting it has been melting for 20,000 years and in that time sea level has risen over 400 feet as I recall. So sea level rise is actually old news

Nope. Works for all ice. Snow is ice as well. The global sea level is unknown. It cannot be measured. There is no reference point. No measurement exists from 20,000 years ago.


The Parrot Killer

Debunked in my sig. - tmiddles

Google keeps track of paranoid talk and i'm not on their list. I've been evaluated and certified. - keepit

nuclear powered ships do not require nuclear fuel. - Swan
28-01-2021 13:29
Into the NightProfile picture★★★★★
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James___ wrote:
gfm7175 wrote:
James___ wrote:
HarveyH55 wrote:
duncan61 wrote:
I get that Harvey.What is with you and James the guys insane handle it.Are you the Harvey from peoples court?


I don't watch much TV, local news mostly, when it's on. James is alright, most of the time. Just a little weird when he gets a fresh jug of Kentucky Kool-aid, or running a little dry, waiting on his Social Security check.



Typical GOP drivel. As Jesus said;
Matthew 7:5; You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from James' eye.

edited the quote as I am not Harvey's brother. And once again I am reminded why I like math. Thank You Harvey.

Typical James babble...



Quoting the Bible is Babel? Kind of like Harvey ordering me back to work because I am handicapped. Duncan probably doesn't understand but when Harvey says people are working the system for free money, he's probably talking about me.

Quoting random scriptures for no purpose is babble.


The Parrot Killer

Debunked in my sig. - tmiddles

Google keeps track of paranoid talk and i'm not on their list. I've been evaluated and certified. - keepit

nuclear powered ships do not require nuclear fuel. - Swan
01-02-2021 07:24
duncan61
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The information I have gleaned from being on this site and doing my own research has helped me twice this fortnight share some information with my customers.The polar bear and sea ice in Hudson bay is a real winner and it gets people very interested and is so easy to check.Sea levels not changing at all helps cement the truth as its been 50 years now for zip difference.My client today was from Zimbabwe and the African nations have not all of a sudden become wealthy and built 1000s of coal fired power stations as RCP 8.5 Predicted.I put my CO2 meter on and it does not go over 400ppm any more it hovers around the 390ppm-360ppm level.If CO2 drops to around 350ppm and stays there what happens now?Shall we just destroy the economy for shits and giggles
17-02-2021 12:31
duncan61
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I did a water filter for a young lawyer today and he was concerned about the climate.It was not hard to ease his concerns with the Northern hemisphere frozen as it is at the moment.I shared my knowledge of polar bears,sea levels and the magick Satellite data and I do not think he is that bothered anymore.




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