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Volcanoes01-06-2019 22:45
HarveyH55
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https://www.wftv.com/news/national-news/ap-top-news/italys-mount-etna-volcano-spews-lava-in-new-active-phase/954320108

No reference made to Climate Change in this story, which is odd, since there are a lot of gasses released, CO2... Guess it's a non-issue, since you can't just stuff a cork in it, and call it a victory. Mt. Etna is an impressive hunk of rock, and it's been spewing lava for a long time. Usually doesn't get much media attention, unless it gets unusually angry, and does some serious damage.

Now, Mt. Etna isn't unique, there are actually quite a few volcanoes that put on an impressive show for tourists. Got me to thinking about what the carbon-footprint of an active volcano like these might be. I was never really able to grasp what carbon footprint was, or how it's calculated. It was just some silly thing to base carbon taxes on, for commercial abusers. Later found, it's for everybody, if carbon taxes ever take off (maybe in California, few other questionable states). I just thought it might put things in perspective, nature vs man-made greenhouse gasses. Would Italy and Hawaii have to pay a carbon tax on their tourist attractions? They profit from these awesome displays, shouldn't they pay a chuck of those tourist dollars?
03-06-2019 23:04
gfm7175
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True, volcanoes do emit quite a bit of CO2... not sure what the warmizombie plan is to assist the Goddess Climate against volcanoes, who are in support of the enemy...
04-06-2019 18:07
IBdaMann
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HarveyH55 wrote:Now, Mt. Etna isn't unique, there are actually quite a few volcanoes that put on an impressive show for tourists. Got me to thinking about what the carbon-footprint of an active volcano like these might be.

Excellent question! It, in turn, begs the follow-on question "what would be the motivation for placing an atmospheric CO2-meter right on a volcano?" Might it be to generate fear and alarm at extraordinarily high CO2 readings perhaps?


HarveyH55 wrote: I was never really able to grasp what carbon footprint was, or how it's calculated.

It isn't calculated because no one is able to measure all CO2 production. The term "carbon footprint" exists as a label to which other words like "problem," "threat," "trouble," "predicament," "issue," "quandary," etc., can be applied. The intent to to create a stigma surrounding CO2 and its creation while demonizing those people and activities who create CO2.

Oh, look! Chemistry tells us that burning carbon-based fuels produces CO2. The energy driving the global economy can now be villified, as well as Petroleum execs, coalminers, SUV drivers, and anyone else who shares in the responsibility for creating CO2.


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04-06-2019 22:56
HarveyH55
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IBdaMann wrote:
HarveyH55 wrote:Now, Mt. Etna isn't unique, there are actually quite a few volcanoes that put on an impressive show for tourists. Got me to thinking about what the carbon-footprint of an active volcano like these might be.

Excellent question! It, in turn, begs the follow-on question "what would be the motivation for placing an atmospheric CO2-meter right on a volcano?" Might it be to generate fear and alarm at extraordinarily high CO2 readings perhaps?


HarveyH55 wrote: I was never really able to grasp what carbon footprint was, or how it's calculated.

It isn't calculated because no one is able to measure all CO2 production. The term "carbon footprint" exists as a label to which other words like "problem," "threat," "trouble," "predicament," "issue," "quandary," etc., can be applied. The intent to to create a stigma surrounding CO2 and its creation while demonizing those people and activities who create CO2.

Oh, look! Chemistry tells us that burning carbon-based fuels produces CO2. The energy driving the global economy can now be villified, as well as Petroleum execs, coalminers, SUV drivers, and anyone else who shares in the responsibility for creating CO2.


Are you saying I'm evil, because I drive a poorly maintained Ford Explorer (the P.O.S. edition)? I really didn't choose to drive an SUV, it's just what I could afford, after the Obama Cash-for-Clunkers thing. Most of the cheap decent cars I would normal have gotten, were scrapped and sent to China (cheap). People who could afford new car payment, got new cars, many repossessed the first year. Wasn't many choices, that didn't obviously need a good deal of work. Of course, being a Ford, I've had to do plenty of repairs Leaves me wondering how Ford stays in business. I really don't care that much what I drive. New cars are usually a bad investment, rather spend that money on something I'd get better use of.

I should look it up, there a probably dozens of active volcanoes, spewing gasses and hot lava all the time. We only get to hear about the angry ones, that erupt explosively, and people are at risk.
04-06-2019 23:32
Into the Night
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HarveyH55 wrote:
IBdaMann wrote:
HarveyH55 wrote:Now, Mt. Etna isn't unique, there are actually quite a few volcanoes that put on an impressive show for tourists. Got me to thinking about what the carbon-footprint of an active volcano like these might be.

Excellent question! It, in turn, begs the follow-on question "what would be the motivation for placing an atmospheric CO2-meter right on a volcano?" Might it be to generate fear and alarm at extraordinarily high CO2 readings perhaps?


HarveyH55 wrote: I was never really able to grasp what carbon footprint was, or how it's calculated.

It isn't calculated because no one is able to measure all CO2 production. The term "carbon footprint" exists as a label to which other words like "problem," "threat," "trouble," "predicament," "issue," "quandary," etc., can be applied. The intent to to create a stigma surrounding CO2 and its creation while demonizing those people and activities who create CO2.

Oh, look! Chemistry tells us that burning carbon-based fuels produces CO2. The energy driving the global economy can now be villified, as well as Petroleum execs, coalminers, SUV drivers, and anyone else who shares in the responsibility for creating CO2.


Are you saying I'm evil, because I drive a poorly maintained Ford Explorer (the P.O.S. edition)? I really didn't choose to drive an SUV, it's just what I could afford, after the Obama Cash-for-Clunkers thing.

Wow. I'd forgotten about that disaster of a program.
HarveyH55 wrote:
Most of the cheap decent cars I would normal have gotten, were scrapped and sent to China (cheap).

No, they were just scrapped. Even China didn't want 'em. The motors had to be RUINED beyond repair to qualify for the Cash for Clunkers program.
HarveyH55 wrote:
People who could afford new car payment, got new cars, many repossessed the first year.

Yup. I remember that too.
HarveyH55 wrote:
Wasn't many choices, that didn't obviously need a good deal of work. Of course, being a Ford, I've had to do plenty of repairs Leaves me wondering how Ford stays in business.

Ford sells parts for Ford. People DO still buy new Fords.
HarveyH55 wrote:
I really don't care that much what I drive.

And I have no problem with that.
HarveyH55 wrote:
New cars are usually a bad investment, rather spend that money on something I'd get better use of.

They certainly can be, but not always.
HarveyH55 wrote:
I should look it up, there a probably dozens of active volcanoes, spewing gasses and hot lava all the time. We only get to hear about the angry ones, that erupt explosively, and people are at risk.

Here I think you missed out on IBdaMann's sometimes dry sense of humor.

He is making fun of the fact that the Mauna Loa CO2 monitoring station (you know, the one the Church of Global Warming keeps quoting) is mounted on a range of active volcanoes.


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