Venus is hotter than Mercury?!?

HarveyH55 wrote:
But, did Venus ever support life, or could it,

tmiddles wrote:There is some theory that it was once habitable:
Life on Venus?

tmiddles wrote:

HarveyH55 wrote:
But, did Venus ever support life, or could it,

There is some theory that it was once habitable:
Life on Venus?

If conditions were not so extreme in the distant past and as the article says:
"And life didn't necessarily have to arise on Venus to thrive there, Grinspoon added: The planet has gobbled up many tons of Earth rocks that were blasted into space by violent impacts over the past 4.5 billion years, "

Interesting idea

HarveyH55 wrote:
It's still just a fantasy, we weren't even a species that far back, ...man-made CO2,...the species that robbed the planet of an essential component will die off quickly, CO2 will recover, life goes on, for many of the other critters that survived.

tmiddles wrote:

HarveyH55 wrote:
It's still just a fantasy, we weren't even a species that far back, ...man-made CO2,...the species that robbed the planet of an essential component will die off quickly, CO2 will recover, life goes on, for many of the other critters that survived.

Do you mean that we might succeed in removing CO2 from the atmosphere and kill off plants? That would be ironic.

We still don't know what caused previous mass extinctions aside from knowing a Prius wasn't the answer. There's a great Robot Chicken sketch where dinasours try to build a space ship to intercept the meteor that will kill them. It's made of leaves and rocks but manages to take off before exploding.

That Venus was at one point able to sustain life and possibly did might be something there is evidence off yet to be found. Maybe a future Venus lander will be able to travel and dig.

HarveyH55 wrote: After food crops are planted, and start growing well, they ought to be sucking a lot of CO2, and there should be natural dip in readings every year.

tmiddles wrote:

HarveyH55 wrote:
It's still just a fantasy, we weren't even a species that far back, ...man-made CO2,...the species that robbed the planet of an essential component will die off quickly, CO2 will recover, life goes on, for many of the other critters that survived.

Do you mean that we might succeed in removing CO2 from the atmosphere and kill off plants? That would be ironic.

We still don't know what caused previous mass extinctions aside from knowing a Prius wasn't the answer. There's a great Robot Chicken sketch where dinasours try to build a space ship to intercept the meteor that will kill them. It's made of leaves and rocks but manages to take off before exploding.

That Venus was at one point able to sustain life and possibly did might be something there is evidence off yet to be found. Maybe a future Venus lander will be able to travel and dig.

tmiddles wrote:

HarveyH55 wrote: After food crops are planted, and start growing well, they ought to be sucking a lot of CO2, and there should be natural dip in readings every year.

Wow this is really interesting! I had no idea
co2-is-making-earth-greener

In the last 35 year's "The greening represents an increase in leaves on plants and trees equivalent in area to two times the continental United States."
Natural feedback loop.

I don't think food crops are most plants though.

Into the Night wrote:Is NASA your God or is it not?

HarveyH55 wrote: There should be some normal and expected, large spikes and dips on the graphs every year.

Into the Night wrote:

tmiddles wrote:

HarveyH55 wrote: After food crops are planted, and start growing well, they ought to be sucking a lot of CO2, and there should be natural dip in readings every year.

Wow this is really interesting! I had no idea
co2-is-making-earth-greener

In the last 35 year's "The greening represents an increase in leaves on plants and trees equivalent in area to two times the continental United States."
Natural feedback loop.

I don't think food crops are most plants though.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

You just discarded a NASA report!

Is NASA your God or is it not?

James___ wrote:

tmiddles wrote:

James___ wrote:

The earth is breathing!

No wait: OUR MOTHER EARTH IS BREATHING

IBdaMann wrote:

tmiddles wrote:

James___ wrote:

The earth is breathing!

No wait: OUR MOTHER EARTH IS BREATHING

I thought that wind was just the Climate goddess breathing.

James___ wrote: You guys don't get it. I think Gaia might be the proper term.
Just not sure how to explain it to you that our lives are dependent on Gaia. It's a symbiotic relationship.

IBdaMann wrote:

James___ wrote: You guys don't get it. I think Gaia might be the proper term.
Just not sure how to explain it to you that our lives are dependent on Gaia. It's a symbiotic relationship.

James__, thanks to you The MANUAL has been updated as follows in order to ensure its complete accuracy:

Climate: proper noun
The heroine of the Global Warming mythology, Climate is the Democratic People's Goddess. Born out of the Scientific Consensus, She oversees the central planning and administration of all weather, ecosystems, and local climates across the globe, as well as all interactions thereof. Climate is responsible for the care and well-being of all life on earth. In other faiths She is called Gaia, Durga, Mother Nature, et. al.

James___ wrote:.

tmiddles wrote:

James___ wrote:.

Feeding trolls just helps to maintain the derailed status of this board. Come on James talk to me instead

IBdaMann wrote:

Into the Night wrote:Is NASA your God or is it not?

Nope, NASA (pbuh) is merely a prophet to be obeyed, nothing more.

tmiddles wrote:

HarveyH55 wrote: There should be some normal and expected, large spikes and dips on the graphs every year.

The atmosphere being so massive I'd think it would take some time for changes to show up.

tmiddles wrote:
Could be the cycles within a year are just blended together because it takes over a year for a change to fully mix in.

tmiddles wrote:
But my assumption seems to be wrong as there is this small change in CO2 ppm, a swing of 3:
"During the spring, when plants begin growing again, concentrations drop. It is as if the Earth is breathing."

tmiddles wrote:
I'm guessing it's that the northern hemisphere has more land sO that spring dominates. But it's just a few ppm.

James___ wrote:

Into the Night wrote:

tmiddles wrote:

HarveyH55 wrote: After food crops are planted, and start growing well, they ought to be sucking a lot of CO2, and there should be natural dip in readings every year.

Wow this is really interesting! I had no idea
co2-is-making-earth-greener

In the last 35 year's "The greening represents an increase in leaves on plants and trees equivalent in area to two times the continental United States."
Natural feedback loop.

I don't think food crops are most plants though.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

You just discarded a NASA report!

Is NASA your God or is it not?

Your problem is that you believe in nothing, ie., Into the Night is into the void.

tmiddles wrote:

James___ wrote:.

Feeding trolls just helps to maintain the derailed status of this board. Come on James talk to me instead

HarveyH55 wrote:
Anyway, just seemed like something we should see in the data, since there is less CO2 being pulled out,

tmiddles wrote: I saw some have plans to terraform Venus.

tmiddles wrote: Plenty of CO2 for plants if we could figure out the rest.

tmiddles wrote: It has such a heavy atmosphere you could float a city higher on the atmosphere,

tmiddles wrote:

HarveyH55 wrote:
Anyway, just seemed like something we should see in the data, since there is less CO2 being pulled out,

I saw some have plans to terraform Venus.

HarveyH55 wrote:
We do a poor job keeping our own ecosystem healthy, which would likely do better, if we quit meddling. It's a delicate balance, everything has a purpose, theirs redundancy, and population controls. It takes lifetimes to find that balance, where it becomes self-sustaining. You can just dump everything on the planet, and wait for the magic to happen. You have to do a little at a time, let each species get established, and prepare for the next batch. You need bugs and bacteria to prepare the soil for plants.

Think about the fail biosphere experiments. They just barely reach the goal last time, it wasn't self sustaining, they just barely stretch their resources out, likely cheated as well.

HarveyH55 wrote:
Think about the fail biosphere experiments. .

tmiddles wrote:

HarveyH55 wrote:
Think about the fail biosphere experiments. .

Yes that's actually a very good reference to keep in mind here. Human overconfidence and thinking we have it figured out does a lot of damage.

keepit wrote:the temperature at a given altitude on venus is pretty uniform

James___ wrote:Science has just been falsified.

James___ wrote: Ever wonder why atmospheric pressure on Earth is 14.7 psi with a gravity of 9.80 m/s while on Venus it's atmospheric pressure is about 1,334 psi with a gravity of 8.87 m/s?

James___ wrote: You'd think that gravity would influence atmospheric pressure.

James___ wrote: They say that's why Mars has very little atmosphere.

James___ wrote: Kind of why comparisons to Venus don't matter. Science has just been falsified.

tmiddles wrote:

HarveyH55 wrote:
Think about the fail biosphere experiments. .

Yes that's actually a very good reference to keep in mind here. Human overconfidence and thinking we have it figured out does a lot of damage.

James___ wrote:

tmiddles wrote:

HarveyH55 wrote:
Think about the fail biosphere experiments. .

Yes that's actually a very good reference to keep in mind here. Human overconfidence and thinking we have it figured out does a lot of damage.

Ever wonder why atmospheric pressure on Earth is 14.7 psi with a gravity of 9.80 m/s while on Venus it's atmospheric pressure is about 1,334 psi with a gravity of 8.87 m/s?
You'd think that gravity would influence atmospheric pressure. They say that's why Mars has very little atmosphere. Kind of why comparisons to Venus don't matter. Science has just been falsified. There is an "out" but doubt anyone will figure it out.
It actually suggests something like cause and effect.

keepit wrote:
I haven't read all the posts on this thread. I'm just dropping into the middle of it but as i understand it the temperature at a given altitude on venus is pretty uniform due to the extreme abundance of CO2 in its atmosphere.

keepit wrote:
Mars lost so much of its atmosphere because it cooled and lost its magnetosphere and then it became vulnerable to the solar wind which blew away its atmosphere.
As i understand it, venus' atmosphere interacts with the sun to create a magnetosphere in venus' atmosphere preventing the solar wind from blowing away its atmosphere.