03-05-2022 21:02 | |
GasGuzzler★★★★★ (2738) |
Into the Night wrote:sealover wrote: Into the Night is being way too humble in his response here. He, IBdaMann, and gfm7175 don't hide behind buzzwords. They stand with the laws of science and they have full understanding of the math equations that support them. It is because of this knowledge they are able to call your buzzwords even before you pluck them from your gamma ass. It is YOU hiding behind word games. You complain of no "debate", yet it is YOU that won't engage in any thermodynamic discussion. You should. After all, a warming Earth is the entire foundation of your fear mongering. I think you owe it to this board a full and comprehensive explanation of the unfalsified science that predicts a rising temp without additional energy. I'm wasting my time. Yes? You have no understanding that YOU can explain. How do I know? Thanks for asking. Anyone waving around "credible sources" is letting others do their thinking for them. Spongy and squeal over, the gods of Google Computer science made this page possible, whether you do not believe in science or not.- Swan |
03-05-2022 21:08 | |
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04-05-2022 02:04 | |
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Spongy Iris wrote:Into the Night wrote: NASA does not falsify Chapman's theory of science. Science is not a government agency. Stop worshiping NASA. It is not science and never was. Spongy Iris wrote: Paradox. Irrational. You can't argue both sides of a paradox. Spongy Iris wrote: The vertical temperature profile show the opposite, actually. Spongy Iris wrote: 4 miles. Ozone is not an ion. Spongy Iris wrote: No electricity is required to make ozone. The ozone layer does not involved electricity at all. Spongy Iris wrote: None. Copper is heavier than air, and a 30 mile orbit is unstable. Spongy Iris wrote: Ozone is not produced 30 miles up. Spongy Iris wrote: No needles. Spongy Iris wrote: No needles. Spongy Iris wrote: Nope. That is blocked by destroying ozone. Spongy Iris wrote: It is not a cleaner, but it will destroy germs and mold. Spongy Iris wrote: Heat is not generated by creating ozone from oxygen. Indeed, the reaction is endothermic. It cools the air around it. Spongy Iris wrote: No such thing. Spongy Iris wrote: Denial of the Chapman cycle. Exposing oxygen to UVb light creates ozone. Spongy Iris wrote: It doesn't. Spongy Iris wrote: There is NO light hitting the North Pole in winter. Spongy Iris wrote: No such thing. You won't see ozone being created at the North pole until the Sun rises above the horizon. Spongy Iris wrote: Buzzword fallacies. Spongy Iris wrote: There is no frequency. There are no needles. Spongy Iris wrote: The project you refer to placed some copper needles in an orbit near the equator about 2200 miles in altitude (not 30) during the 60's (same period as the Moon shot program). The needles clumped together due to their own gravity. Almost all of them have fallen out of orbit. As of last year, some 30 odd clumps of these still orbit near the equator, and one falls out of orbit every so often. They do not replace the ionosphere. They do not carry radio signals. They do not create ozone. They do not block UV light. Spongy Iris wrote: Passenger aircraft generally fly between 4 and 7 miles up. They can't fly 30 miles up. The highest flying jet (the SR-71) has a maximum altitude of about 17 miles. It is nowhere near 30 miles up. Spongy Iris wrote: There are no needles. What remains of the project are small clumps that are falling out of orbit over time. The Parrot Killer Debunked in my sig. - tmiddles Google keeps track of paranoid talk and i'm not on their list. I've been evaluated and certified. - keepit nuclear powered ships do not require nuclear fuel. - Swan While it is true that fossils do not burn it is also true that fossil fuels burn very well - Swan |
04-05-2022 02:25 | |
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GasGuzzler wrote:Into the Night wrote:sealover wrote: *humble bow* GasGuzzler wrote: Quite right. Blaming someone else for his problems is just projecting...an inversion fallacy. GasGuzzler wrote: Quite right. He does. So far, however, he just spews Church of Global Warming faith and denies the laws of thermodynamics and the Stefan-Boltzmann law. Like so many before him, he either ignores anyone bringing these little problems up (such as in describing them as 'word games'), or try to explain it by changing the theories themselves (and the 'law' or math equation associated with it). GasGuzzler wrote: Again...well put. This often results in a false authority fallacy or a void reference fallacy. In each case, it is stealing the arguments of another and using it as their own. It is cut and paste. It is mindless. It shows they have lost the ability to think for themselves. It is also why they deny philosophy, which basically has only one rule: You must present your OWN arguments and your OWN reasoning for them. You cannot use the arguments of another as your own. They will throw around buzzwords like 'fact' and 'reality' without understand what these words even mean or how they are defined. They try to use 'fact' as if it were some kind of proof or Universal Truth. They try to use 'reality' as some kind of insult, suggesting that 'reality' is absolute and that you are too stupid to realize that. Of course, there is no such thing as an absolute 'reality'. This word too is defined using philosophy. GasGuzzler wrote: More like worshiping Google as a god. Google is many things to many people. A God? No. The Parrot Killer Debunked in my sig. - tmiddles Google keeps track of paranoid talk and i'm not on their list. I've been evaluated and certified. - keepit nuclear powered ships do not require nuclear fuel. - Swan While it is true that fossils do not burn it is also true that fossil fuels burn very well - Swan |
04-05-2022 02:34 | |
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Parrot Boy must deny the existence of the following to support his argument Sudden Stratospheric Warming, occurs every winter. The sudden appearance of ozone over the North pole every winter. The polar vortex which brings cold wet weather every winter. Basically he denies that winter is a season in most of the northern hemisphere. There is no point in discussing anything with this loser. I can't understand why he keeps making so many stupid comments over and over. ![]() |
04-05-2022 03:06 | |
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Spongy Iris wrote: Since when it's winter here it's summer over there and as a result it all balances out |
04-05-2022 03:13 | |
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It is quite an infestation of stupid comments in this forum. A sea of them.![]() |
04-05-2022 03:20 | |
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Into the Night wrote:HarveyH55 wrote: No. Most didn't intentional plan to start a wildfire. They were aware of burning restriction, and ignored them. They could/do still get charged with arson, even if there is no wildfire. Mostly pay a fine. They don't have to go out with the intent to start the forest on fire, just the intent to ignore fire safety rules. |
04-05-2022 04:21 | |
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Spongy Iris wrote: An assertion from the Chapman Cycle: "The chemical energy released when O and O2 combine is converted into kinetic energy of molecular motion. The overall effect is to convert penetrating UV light into heat." You obviously notice it is false to say an endothermic reaction generates heat. But that is clearly what the Chapman Cycle asserts. Chapman had to think of some reason to explain why the temperature of the atmosphere where the 3 millimeter ozone layer is gets hot. There is kinetic energy of molecular motion, which ionizes oxygen into ozone, transmits radio signals, and blocks UVC. A false cover military report called "Project West Ford" suggests it is dipole copper needles in this molecular motion around Earth. ![]() |
04-05-2022 04:32 | |
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HarveyH55 wrote:Into the Night wrote:No. Arson is not an accident. Arson is the intentional setting of a wildfire.No. Most didn't intentional plan to start a wildfire. They were aware of burning restriction, and ignored them. They could/do still get charged with arson, even if there is no wildfire. Mostly pay a fine. They don't have to go out with the intent to start the forest on fire, just the intent to ignore fire safety rules. Now for the correct answer. You are both correct ... to a certain extent ... and you are both in error. You chose to talk about California and SDTC so we'll go with California law on the matter. Yes, Harvey, to classify as arson, there must be burning ... of a residence, structure, forest land, or property. No, Into the Night, it does not have to be intentional, i.e. it can be "reckless." Again, you both included California and California has a legal definition of Arson ... but the penal code has arson laws (plural): 1. Malicious Burning (felony), 2. Reckless Burning (almost always a misdemeanor) ... and both require burning. Note that in California "recklessness" does not require an intention to set the fire but it does require the intention to engage in activity that knowingly increases risk of fire and/or that endangers others and/or property. So Into the Night is correct on that second aspect of the intention part. If there was no intention to cause harm or to increase risk/danger, there isn't even recklessness ... there is only negligence ... and that skirts the arson laws as well. |
04-05-2022 09:33 | |
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Spongy Iris wrote: Buzzword fallacy. Spongy Iris wrote: It doesn't. Spongy Iris wrote: Buzzword fallacy. Spongy Iris wrote: Redefinition fallacy (winter<->void). Spongy Iris wrote: Inversion fallacy. No argument presented. The Parrot Killer Debunked in my sig. - tmiddles Google keeps track of paranoid talk and i'm not on their list. I've been evaluated and certified. - keepit nuclear powered ships do not require nuclear fuel. - Swan While it is true that fossils do not burn it is also true that fossil fuels burn very well - Swan |
04-05-2022 09:34 | |
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Spongy Iris wrote: You could always change. The Parrot Killer Debunked in my sig. - tmiddles Google keeps track of paranoid talk and i'm not on their list. I've been evaluated and certified. - keepit nuclear powered ships do not require nuclear fuel. - Swan While it is true that fossils do not burn it is also true that fossil fuels burn very well - Swan |
04-05-2022 09:39 | |
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HarveyH55 wrote:Into the Night wrote:HarveyH55 wrote: Most intentionally started wildfire. Arson is not an accident. It is intentional. Yes, there are a lot of careless people that ignore fire restrictions. That is not arson. Many SDTC wildfire also starts by poorly maintained equipment such as tractors, trucks and cars, or power lines...occasionally by an idiot with fireworks. The Parrot Killer Debunked in my sig. - tmiddles Google keeps track of paranoid talk and i'm not on their list. I've been evaluated and certified. - keepit nuclear powered ships do not require nuclear fuel. - Swan While it is true that fossils do not burn it is also true that fossil fuels burn very well - Swan |
04-05-2022 09:44 | |
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Spongy Iris wrote:Spongy Iris wrote: No such assertion. Spongy Iris wrote: It doesn't. Spongy Iris wrote: No, it doesn't. Spongy Iris wrote: The ozone layer is some 20 miles thick. Spongy Iris wrote: Ozone isn't an ion. Kinetic energy does not make ozone in the ozone layer. Spongy Iris wrote: Ozone doesn't transmit radio signals. Spongy Iris wrote: Ozone formation does not block UVc. UVc is not required to form ozone. UVb causes this instead. Spongy Iris wrote: No such needles. What little remains of that project is orbiting well outside the ionosphere. The Parrot Killer Debunked in my sig. - tmiddles Google keeps track of paranoid talk and i'm not on their list. I've been evaluated and certified. - keepit nuclear powered ships do not require nuclear fuel. - Swan While it is true that fossils do not burn it is also true that fossil fuels burn very well - Swan |
05-05-2022 18:03 | |
GasGuzzler★★★★★ (2738) |
This caught my attention...
California is always on the cutting edge of destroying lives. Substitute just a few words and you have this...
Go ahead, call me crazy, or maybe even a shizzo. Edited on 05-05-2022 18:04 |
05-05-2022 21:56 | |
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GasGuzzler wrote:Go ahead, call me crazy, or maybe even a shizzo. How about calling you a fizzo? Attached image: ![]() |
05-05-2022 22:48 | |
GasGuzzler★★★★★ (2738) |
IBdaMann wrote:GasGuzzler wrote:Go ahead, call me crazy, or maybe even a shizzo. Admittedly you have really thrown me a bit here. This is what I see, however I would really appreciate your interpretation of this piece of climate. Computer science made this page possible, whether you do not believe in science or not.- Swan Attached image: ![]() |
06-05-2022 01:13 | |
duncan61★★★★★ (2018) |
CO2 is bad man.If I put to much in my soda stream bottle it makes me burp and if I have had garlic chicken for lunch you will pass out.It has happened before |
06-05-2022 02:17 | |
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GasGuzzler wrote:This is what I see, however I would really appreciate your interpretation of this piece of climate. For a minute there I thought you were crazy. I was wondering "Where does he see that?" Apparently, if you look hard enough you'll see it. So I stared and I stared ... ... and finally it all came together. I saw how everything fits in. I get it now, the coral reefs, the gamma spec, the cola acidification, the mangrove, the septic tank, the fern (that is one killer fern), the terraforming, the Climate Change!. I don't know why, exactly, I couldn't see it before but I have you to thank for being able to see it now. . Attached image: ![]() Edited on 06-05-2022 02:18 |
RE: May 12, 2022 Coast of southern California13-05-2022 03:38 | |
Im a BM★★☆☆☆ (372) |
May 12, 2022 Coast of southern California Fires like this didn't used to happen in early May. |
13-05-2022 03:44 | |
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Im a BM wrote: Too bad the SDTC doesn't bother to clear away brush anymore. The Parrot Killer Debunked in my sig. - tmiddles Google keeps track of paranoid talk and i'm not on their list. I've been evaluated and certified. - keepit nuclear powered ships do not require nuclear fuel. - Swan While it is true that fossils do not burn it is also true that fossil fuels burn very well - Swan |
13-05-2022 03:52 | |
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Into the Night wrote:Im a BM wrote: Thankfully, Wisconsin is much smarter. We clear away our brush (as well as do controlled burns). We don't have the fire issues that the SDTC does... Let's just say that I am quite happy to be in Wisconsin and will not be moving to the SDTC anytime soon... well, ever... |
13-05-2022 04:39 | |
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Im a BM wrote: California has wildfires burning almost every month. Only the massive fires that threaten communities are 'news-worthy'. Fire is just on way nature cleans up the mess, to make room for new growth. Careless, reckless humans just help make it happen more often. California could minimize the impact, if the were willing to spend the time and money doing some of the work, in a controlled manner. Basically, they want to just let nature take it's course, whine and complain about it. Expect others to pay for damages. |
RE: May 12, 2022 - New Mexico, Arizona, and Colorado still burning.13-05-2022 04:48 | |
Im a BM★★☆☆☆ (372) |
May 12, 2022 - New Mexico, Arizona, and Colorado still burning. Fire season came extra early to these liberal tree hugger states. Arizona and Colorado have been burning for weeks. New Mexico got it the worst. Probably because of their state government's liberal tree hugger policies. This one is going to break the record for the biggest, worst wildfire in New Mexico's recorded history. An arsonist could have tried to torch these places in April during generations past, and it would have done some damage. But nothing like THIS. Perhaps we can define climate change as shift from familiar weather patterns. |
13-05-2022 05:09 | |
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gfm7175 wrote:Into the Night wrote:Im a BM wrote: Why would any want to leave the States and go live in a dictatorship?? The Parrot Killer Debunked in my sig. - tmiddles Google keeps track of paranoid talk and i'm not on their list. I've been evaluated and certified. - keepit nuclear powered ships do not require nuclear fuel. - Swan While it is true that fossils do not burn it is also true that fossil fuels burn very well - Swan |
13-05-2022 05:19 | |
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HarveyH55 wrote:Im a BM wrote: The area that burned is a rather posh area called Laguna Niguel. As is typical for the SDTC these days, the brush hadn't been cleared away. Due to spring rains, it grew pretty fast too. Once this stuff get lit, though, fire just races through it, particularly when fanned by wind, as this fire was by onshore ocean winds. The fire raced through the brush behind the houses and set each of them ablaze. Then King Newsom has the gall to say this is not caused by his government and the property owners not clearing away the brush hazard, but by a buzzword. The source of ignition of the fire is still under investigation. It is a populated area. It was not caused by natural sources, such as lightning. Most likely: * Arson * Accident * Poorly maintained electrical equipment Life in the SDTC. The Parrot Killer Debunked in my sig. - tmiddles Google keeps track of paranoid talk and i'm not on their list. I've been evaluated and certified. - keepit nuclear powered ships do not require nuclear fuel. - Swan While it is true that fossils do not burn it is also true that fossil fuels burn very well - Swan |
13-05-2022 05:21 | |
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Im a BM wrote: Weather has no pattern. The Parrot Killer Debunked in my sig. - tmiddles Google keeps track of paranoid talk and i'm not on their list. I've been evaluated and certified. - keepit nuclear powered ships do not require nuclear fuel. - Swan While it is true that fossils do not burn it is also true that fossil fuels burn very well - Swan Edited on 13-05-2022 05:21 |
RE: The thermodynamics of global warming13-05-2022 05:39 | |
Im a BM★★☆☆☆ (372) |
The thermodynamics of global warming. Solar radiation is the source of virtually all the heat at the earth's surface. Virtually all of that heat is eventually radiated back to outer space. Global warming occurs because that heat now has longer residence time before it radiates back out to outer space. It is not because some magic source of additional energy creates more heat than before. It is because the steady state average surface temperature is higher due to the longer residence time of heat at the surface before it radiates back to outer space. Higher atmospheric concentrations of greenhouse gases trap heat to increase its residence time near the surface. |
RE: Why say "virtually all the heat at the earth's surface."?13-05-2022 06:06 | |
Im a BM★★☆☆☆ (372) |
Im a BM wrote: Why say "virtually all the heat at the earth's surface."? Solar radiation is not the source of 100% of the heat at the earth's surface. An extremely tiny fraction of that heat arises from inside the earth, heating the surface where geothermal or volcanic activity are locally present. Radiant solar energy arriving at the earth's surface is not 100% radiated back out to space on something less than a century long time scale. An extremely tiny fraction of that total radiant energy is captured during photosynthesis. It is transformed into chemical energy as low energy inorganic (oxidized) carbon is transformed into high energy organic (reduced) carbon. The chemical energy of fossil fuel deposits will eventually radiate to space after the organic carbon is oxidized back to inorganic carbon (carbon dioxide, bicarbonate, or carbonate) But that occurs on a time scale so long, it has negligible impact on the steady state average surface temperature. But it can have a BIG impact on the concentration of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere, and that WILL impact the residence time of heat at the surface, and the steady state average temperature. Hardly negligible. |
13-05-2022 10:13 | |
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squeal over's sock wrote: The thermodynamics of global warming Thermodynamics do not apply to religious faiths. squeal over's sock wrote:Solar radiation is the source of virtually all the heat at the earth's surface. Incorrect. You still haven't made any effort to learn what "heat" means yet you continue believing that you are somehow fooling people into thinking that you are a science genius. The sun is the only substantive source of thermal energy, not of heat. squeal over's sock wrote:Virtually all of that heat is eventually radiated back to outer space. This statement is gibberish, but you don't know why because you don't know what "heat" means and thus you totally misuse the word and render your statements meaningless. squeal over's sock wrote: Global warming occurs because that heat now has longer residence time before it radiates back out to outer space. This is more meaningless gibberish ... and no, there is no such thing as "residence time" for heat. Too funny. squeal over's sock wrote: It is not because some magic source of additional energy creates more heat than before. I get it, you are trying to distance yourself from your previous gaffes by making it look like this totally new gaffe is what you have been saying all along. Allow me to translate your preceding sentence: "I am a scientifically illiterate moron and my hope is that you are even more scientifically illiterate than I am." By now you should be able to understand why your totally lame schtick won't work here. The posters at this site aren't idiots. This also happens to be why we enjoy having you post here. Not only do you provide comic relief, you are the token moron we can reference as an example of what happens if you play hooky from school so you can smoke pot instead. squeal over's sock wrote:It is because the steady state average surface temperature is higher due to the longer residence time of heat at the surface before it radiates back to outer space. What, exactly, constitutes the earth's "surface"? You never defined that. Are you thusly referring to the top of the atmosphere? squeal over's sock wrote:Higher atmospheric concentrations of greenhouse gases trap heat to increase its residence time near the surface. Heat cannot be trapped. Every scientist knows this. So do most eighth graders who don't play hooky from school so they can run off and smoke pot. squeal over's sock wrote:An extremely tiny fraction of that heat arises from inside the earth, heating the surface where geothermal or volcanic activity are locally present. Did you just imply that convection occurs within the earth's solid crust? I think we can give you a break since we can plainly see that you don't know what the words you use mean. This would explain why you don't dare attempt to unambiguously define your terms. Carry on. squeal over's sock wrote:Radiant solar energy arriving at the earth's surface is not 100% radiated back out to space on something less than a century long time scale. The earth is in equilibrium. This means that at any given moment, the earth is simultaneously (that means "without any delay between") radiating exactly as much energy as it is absorbing. Yes, there are indiscernible fluctuations, but if we are to use black body science, we must use black body science and presume the equilibrium. squeal over's sock wrote:An extremely tiny fraction of that total radiant energy is captured during photosynthesis. Indiscernible and totally negligible. squeal over's sock wrote:The chemical energy of fossil fuel deposits What does that mean? You seem to have simply shifted from one pattern of gibber to another. What is a "fossil fuel" in the first place? Are fossils involved? Is propane a "fossil fuel"? Do you simply not know what "fossil" means? Do you simply not know what "fuel" means? squeal over's sock wrote:But it can have a BIG impact on the concentration of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere, What's a "greenhouse gas" and why do I care about such concentrations in the atmosphere ... and why do you believe that your conflation of "instantaneous" with "longer than centuries" will have some sort of impact in this area? squeal over's sock wrote: ... and that WILL impact the residence time of heat at the surface, and the steady state average temperature. Hardly negligible. Aaaaah, so you save the best for last! You crammed your seven glaring errors into this final blurb. Good job. Siskel and Ebert give this a two thumbs up. . I don't think i can [define it]. I just kind of get a feel for the phrase. - keepit A Spaghetti strainer with the faucet running, retains water- tmiddles Clouds don't trap heat. Clouds block cold. - Spongy Iris Printing dollars to pay debt doesn't increase the number of dollars. - keepit If Venus were a black body it would have a much much lower temperature than what we found there.- tmiddles Ah the "Valid Data" myth of ITN/IBD. - tmiddles Ceist - I couldn't agree with you more. But when money and religion are involved, and there are people who value them above all else, then the lies begin. - trafn You are completely misunderstanding their use of the word "accumulation"! - Climate Scientist. The Stefan-Boltzman equation doesn't come up with the correct temperature if greenhouse gases are not considered - Hank :*sigh* Not the "raw data" crap. - Leafsdude IB STILL hasn't explained what Planck's Law means. Just more hand waving that it applies to everything and more asserting that the greenhouse effect 'violates' it.- Ceist |
13-05-2022 16:41 | |
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Im a sock of squeal over wrote: Hahahahahahahaha, I am DEFINITELY adding this one to my Lispy Leftist List of Linguistic Lunacy... Im a sock of squeal over wrote: Heat is not thermal energy. Im a sock of squeal over wrote: Heat is not thermal energy. Im a sock of squeal over wrote: Buzzword salad. What is "global warming"? What is "residence time" with regard to heat? Im a sock of squeal over wrote: Oh DO educate us PLEEEEEEASE!!!! Im a sock of squeal over wrote: This is where you provide me with a valid data set of "Earth's surface temperature" (you would need to define "surface"). Otherwise, you're just making unsubstantiated claims about the temperature of Earth's "surface". Meh. Im a sock of squeal over wrote: More gibberish. Define "greenhouse gases". Define "residence time" with regard to heat. Define "the surface". It is not possible to trap heat. |
13-05-2022 19:11 | |
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Im a BM wrote: There isn't any. Im a BM wrote: You cannot contain heat in anything. Im a BM wrote: You cannot contain heat in anything. Im a BM wrote: There is no sequence. You have AGAIN discarded the Stefan-Boltzmann law. Im a BM wrote: Energy is not heat. Heat is not contained in anything. Im a BM wrote: Heat has no temperature. You cannot store or trap heat. There is no sequence. You are discarding the Stefan-Boltzmann law and the 2nd law of thermodynamics. Im a BM wrote: Heat cannot be contained in anything. You cannot store or trap heat. Heat has no temperature. There is no sequence. You cannot reduce entropy...ever. The Parrot Killer Debunked in my sig. - tmiddles Google keeps track of paranoid talk and i'm not on their list. I've been evaluated and certified. - keepit nuclear powered ships do not require nuclear fuel. - Swan While it is true that fossils do not burn it is also true that fossil fuels burn very well - Swan |
13-05-2022 19:18 | |
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Im a BM wrote: Heat is not contained in anything. Im a BM wrote: Heat is not contained in anything. Heat has no temperature. Im a BM wrote: You cannot trap or slow heat. Im a BM wrote: Heat is not photosynthesis. Im a BM wrote: Carbon isn't organic. Im a BM wrote: Fossils aren't used as fuel. Fossils don't burn. Im a BM wrote: Chemical energy isn't heat or light. Im a BM wrote: Carbon isn't organic. Carbon dioxide isn't organic. There are no such chemicals as 'bicarbonate' or 'carbonate'. Im a BM wrote: Heat has no temperature. Im a BM wrote: There is no sequence. You cannot set aside any theory of science for even a moment. You cannot trap heat. You cannot trap light. Heat has no temperature. Light has no temperature. You are discarding the 0th and 2nd law of thermodynamics and the Stefan-Boltzmann law. The Parrot Killer Debunked in my sig. - tmiddles Google keeps track of paranoid talk and i'm not on their list. I've been evaluated and certified. - keepit nuclear powered ships do not require nuclear fuel. - Swan While it is true that fossils do not burn it is also true that fossil fuels burn very well - Swan |
RE: Thank you for some reality, Spongy Iris13-05-2022 22:37 | |
Im a BM★★☆☆☆ (372) |
Spongy Iris wrote:Into the Night wrote: Thank you for some reality, Spongy Iris. Well done! A valid and valuable contribution to the discussion that is appreciated. |
RE: a bit more background for global warming.13-05-2022 22:51 | |
Im a BM★★☆☆☆ (372) |
[quote]sealover wrote: "Unprecedented" Wildfires TODAY. Thanks to Global Warming. Right now, in Nebraska, Arizona, and Florida, wildfires that news reports describe as "unprecedented" are raging. What makes them "unprecedented"? Well, in Nebraska they didn't even contemplate needing firefighters to be available. They had a few volunteers, but had to call the National Guard. Nebraska never created a professional firefighting infrastructure to fight such fires because they have never seen them before. DON'T LOOK UP! This is such an important part of the vicious feedbacks to global warming, adding tons and tons of additional greenhouse gas to the atmosphere, that it deserves a thread all of its own. "Unprecedented" Wildfires TODAY. Thanks to Global Warming. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- a bit more background for global warming. Heat, like greenhouse gases, displays a steady state level in the atmosphere with a mean residence time that can be monitored locally or globally, and averaged on a daily, annual, or millenial time scale. Heat, like greenhouse gases, enters and exits the open system of the earth's atmosphere, via radiant energy rather than translocation of molecules. Locally, on a daily time scale, heat is easy to follow. Sun comes up in the morning and radiant solar reaches the earth's surface. Radiant energy is coming in at a much, much higher rate than the radiant energy exiting the atmosphere into outer space. Air temperature at the surface increases and increases. Sun goes down at night, and the incoming radiant energy comes to a halt. Radiant energy continues to exit the atmosphere into outer space. Air temperature at the surface decreases and decreases. The steady state balance of incoming and outgoing radiant energy to and from the earth displays diurnal variation. It shifts daily. What was the average air temperature at the surface during those 24 hours? It is simpler to look at daily maximum and minimum, like the weather reports. |
13-05-2022 23:22 | |
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Im a BM wrote:Spongy Iris wrote:Into the Night wrote: Yes. People that deny science are very real. You and your sock and Spongy are examples of it. The Parrot Killer Debunked in my sig. - tmiddles Google keeps track of paranoid talk and i'm not on their list. I've been evaluated and certified. - keepit nuclear powered ships do not require nuclear fuel. - Swan While it is true that fossils do not burn it is also true that fossil fuels burn very well - Swan |
13-05-2022 23:39 | |
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Im a BM wrote: These folks usually just put wildfires out themselves. Wildfires are normal in all three States. Im a BM wrote: There is no 'feedback'. Im a BM wrote: What global warming? From when to when? It is not possible to measure the temperature of the Earth. Im a BM wrote: No such thing, except as a religious artifact. Im a BM wrote: A whole forum dedicated to discussing this religion isn't good enough for ya, eh? Im a BM wrote: Buzzword fallacy. Im a BM wrote: Heat is not a gas. No gas or vapor has the capability to warm the Earth. You cannot create energy out of nothing. You are AGAIN discarding the 1st law of thermodynamics. Im a BM wrote: Heat is not contained in anything. Im a BM wrote: There is no sequence. You cannot set aside any theory of science for any length of time. You cannot store or trap heat. Im a BM wrote: Not possible. You cannot store or trap heat. Im a BM wrote: Not possible You cannot store or trap heat. Im a BM wrote: Heat is not a gas. Im a BM wrote: The Earth's atmosphere is not an open system. It is a closed system. Im a BM wrote: There is no such thing as radiant energy. Im a BM wrote: Heat is not translocation of molecules. Im a BM wrote: Heat cannot be stored or trapped. It is not contained in anything. Im a BM wrote: There is no such thing as 'radiant solar'. Im a BM wrote: There is no such thing as 'radiant energy'. You are attempting to decrease entropy. Not possible. You are discarding the 2nd law of thermodynamics again. Im a BM wrote: Heat is not temperature. It has no temperature. Im a BM wrote: There is no such thing as radiant energy. Im a BM wrote: There is no such thing as radiant energy. Im a BM wrote: Nope. Half the planet is still in daylight. False equivalence fallacy. You cannot compare two different systems as if they were the same system. Im a BM wrote: False equivalence fallacy. Discard of the laws of thermodynamics. Im a BM wrote: Unknown. It is not possible to measure it. Im a BM wrote: False equivalence fallacy. You cannot compare two systems is if they were the same system. The Parrot Killer Debunked in my sig. - tmiddles Google keeps track of paranoid talk and i'm not on their list. I've been evaluated and certified. - keepit nuclear powered ships do not require nuclear fuel. - Swan While it is true that fossils do not burn it is also true that fossil fuels burn very well - Swan |
RE: Daily high and low temperatures - Consistent shift in weather patterns14-05-2022 00:19 | |
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Daily high and low temperatures - Consistent shift in weather patterns Climate change might be best understood as a consistent shift in weather patterns. This does not imply cause and effect, it merely observes the facts. Daily high and low temperatures have been measured for more than a century almost everywhere that humans live. Reviewing these records one can see climate change as both global warming and global wierding. Record new daily high T's keep getting set. Record new daily LOW T's as well. More than twice as many new daily high T records set as new daily low Ts. Bigger T difference from previous records, on average, for new highs compared to new lows. Still, on the net change, its getting warmer even just by this one indicator. But we have many other weather records as well. Something as simple as the calendar date when the fruit trees blossom in Spring. It keeps getting sooner. Or the calendar date when snowmelt first causes increased flow rates in surface waters. It keeps getting sooner. The calendar date when the first snowfall remains frozen on the ground. It keeps getting later. These phenomenon are all directly related to air temperature at the surface. On the other hand, with global wierding, Very cold air from the north pole pushes farther south than it used to. Texas never imagined they would have to safeguard their electrical infrastructure against deep freezes. Nor did they imagine that a mass of cold air from the north could come so far south in hurricane season that it causes the storm to stall its movement and dump and dump on the same unlucky state. Every here is free to make their arguments and offer their rebuttals to the arguments of others. Free to choose their own words. Rebuttals to rebuttals are fine too, but not required. Cross examination of rebuttals are cool if you're into that sort of thing. I'm not. Alternative facts are not censored, as below, but require no response. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- [/quote] What global warming? From when to when? It is not possible to measure the temperature of the Earth. Heat is not a gas. No gas or vapor has the capability to warm the Earth. You cannot create energy out of nothing. You are AGAIN discarding the 1st law of thermodynamics. Heat is not a gas. The Earth's atmosphere is not an open system. It is a closed system. There is no such thing as radiant energy. Heat is not translocation of molecules. There is no such thing as 'radiant solar'. There is no such thing as 'radiant energy'. You are attempting to decrease entropy. Not possible. You are discarding the 2nd law of thermodynamics again. Heat is not temperature. It has no temperature. There is no such thing as radiant energy. There is no such thing as radiant energy. Nope. Half the planet is still in daylight. False equivalence fallacy. You cannot compare two different systems as if they were the same system. False equivalence fallacy. Discard of the laws of thermodynamics. Unknown. It is not possible to measure it. False equivalence fallacy. You cannot compare two systems is if they were the same system.[/quote] |
RE: Three modes of heat transport - Conduction, convection, and radiation14-05-2022 00:47 | |
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Three modes of heat transport - Conduction, convection, and radiation. When a material is heated to increase temperature, the atoms or molecules increase the frequency of their collisions and vibrations. Heat can be transported within or out of the material three ways. Conduction within the material, in place where it is, transfers that increased frequency of collisions or vibrations down the line. The material can also transport the heat by simply moving. Hot fluid, gas or liquid, is less dense than cold fluid, and it rises up, transporting its heat along with it. Radiation transports heat within or out of the material as photons in the infrared part of the light spectrum send it off as radiant energy at the speed of light. |
RE: I'm not a physicist, but I play one on the Internet14-05-2022 01:02 | |
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I'm not a physicist, but I play one on the Internet. My area of specialization is biogeochemisty. Maybe not so specialized since it covers biology, geology, and chemistry. But my formal training in physics is limited. I only took the introductory, lower division sequence of physics classes as an undergraduate. My upper division or graduate level course training in physics was limited to physical chemistry and soil physics. So, there is a lot I don't know. At some point, I'll receive legitimate questions or commentary about biogeochemistry, and that will become the focus of my efforts. Meanwhile, I can represent limited knowledge of physics versus paraphysics and pseudo physics. At some point, someone far more qualified than myself will represent physics. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Im a BM wrote: |
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