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Uncertain projections help to reveal the truth about future climate change18-03-2019 23:17
Tai Hai Chen
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https://phys.org/news/2019-03-uncertain-reveal-truth-future-climate.html
19-03-2019 01:42
Wake
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Tai Hai Chen wrote:
https://phys.org/news/2019-03-uncertain-reveal-truth-future-climate.html


In order to make "projections" you have to start with honest data and NASA has seen that you cannot get it. Therefore you are constrained within the limits of the false data that NASA has given.
19-03-2019 02:02
HarveyH55
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Climate can't be defined in equations, it's a subject observation, describing how we feel about our surroundings. There is no 'normal', and there isn't a global climate, since no one can observe the entire planet. One person's 'feelings' doesn't reflect those of everyone else, except maybe in a dictatorship government country, where disagreement is short lived. No some people don't respect other people's opinions, and will go to great lengths to convince everyone else, that they are right (well, usually far 'left'), every who disagrees are wrong.
19-03-2019 02:23
Into the NightProfile picture★★★★★
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Wake wrote:
Tai Hai Chen wrote:
https://phys.org/news/2019-03-uncertain-reveal-truth-future-climate.html


In order to make "projections" you have to start with honest data and NASA has seen that you cannot get it. Therefore you are constrained within the limits of the false data that NASA has given.


Nah. NASA had no power in this. There is no data to begin with. NASA isn't hiding data. There simply isn't any in the first place.

It is not possible to measure the temperature of the Earth.


The Parrot Killer
Edited on 19-03-2019 02:23
19-03-2019 03:58
IBdaMannProfile picture★★★★★
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Into the Night wrote:
Nah. NASA had no power in this. There is no data to begin with. NASA isn't hiding data. There simply isn't any in the first place.

It is not possible to measure the temperature of the Earth.

Buried in all this is the incorrect assumption that data is somehow needed.

If you have science, you no longer need data. You have the science.

[rant]
On the other board, I was explaining how warmizombies should just shut up about this amazing "the data" they have (that strangely no one has ever seen) and worry about getting some science because then they wouldn't need "the data". I then got the predictable scientifically illiterate response "You can't have science without data."

I want to learn the secret to the warmizombies' Jedi mind trick that gets the stupidest people to perceive themselves as virtual Einsteins. They say the stupidest crap with the utmost confidence that it is settled science and that they somehow sound smart by saying it with a straight face.
[/rant]


A Spaghetti strainer with the faucet running, retains water- tmiddles

Clouds don't trap heat. Clouds block cold. - Spongy Iris

Printing dollars to pay debt doesn't increase the number of dollars. - keepit

If Venus were a black body it would have a much much lower temperature than what we found there.- tmiddles

Ah the "Valid Data" myth of ITN/IBD. - tmiddles

Ceist - I couldn't agree with you more. But when money and religion are involved, and there are people who value them above all else, then the lies begin. - trafn

You are completely misunderstanding their use of the word "accumulation"! - Climate Scientist.

The Stefan-Boltzman equation doesn't come up with the correct temperature if greenhouse gases are not considered - Hank

:*sigh* Not the "raw data" crap. - Leafsdude

IB STILL hasn't explained what Planck's Law means. Just more hand waving that it applies to everything and more asserting that the greenhouse effect 'violates' it.- Ceist
19-03-2019 04:55
Into the NightProfile picture★★★★★
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IBdaMann wrote:
Into the Night wrote:
Nah. NASA had no power in this. There is no data to begin with. NASA isn't hiding data. There simply isn't any in the first place.

It is not possible to measure the temperature of the Earth.

Buried in all this is the incorrect assumption that data is somehow needed.

If you have science, you no longer need data. You have the science.

[rant]
On the other board, I was explaining how warmizombies should just shut up about this amazing "the data" they have (that strangely no one has ever seen) and worry about getting some science because then they wouldn't need "the data". I then got the predictable scientifically illiterate response "You can't have science without data."

I want to learn the secret to the warmizombies' Jedi mind trick that gets the stupidest people to perceive themselves as virtual Einsteins. They say the stupidest crap with the utmost confidence that it is settled science and that they somehow sound smart by saying it with a straight face.
[/rant]


Yup. They don't realize the data or even data collection is not science, and has nothing to do with science. Science is just the falsifiable theories themselves.

Their 'settled science' and manufactured data is just their way of trying to claim Universal Truths.


The Parrot Killer
19-03-2019 14:37
IBdaMannProfile picture★★★★★
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Into the Night wrote:
IBdaMann wrote:
Into the Night wrote:
Nah. NASA had no power in this. There is no data to begin with. NASA isn't hiding data. There simply isn't any in the first place.

It is not possible to measure the temperature of the Earth.

Buried in all this is the incorrect assumption that data is somehow needed.

If you have science, you no longer need data. You have the science.

[rant]
On the other board, I was explaining how warmizombies should just shut up about this amazing "the data" they have (that strangely no one has ever seen) and worry about getting some science because then they wouldn't need "the data". I then got the predictable scientifically illiterate response "You can't have science without data."

I want to learn the secret to the warmizombies' Jedi mind trick that gets the stupidest people to perceive themselves as virtual Einsteins. They say the stupidest crap with the utmost confidence that it is settled science and that they somehow sound smart by saying it with a straight face.
[/rant]


Yup. They don't realize the data or even data collection is not science, and has nothing to do with science. Science is just the falsifiable theories themselves.

Their 'settled science' and manufactured data is just their way of trying to claim Universal Truths.

This is the Global Warming faith:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ka9mfZbTFbk


A Spaghetti strainer with the faucet running, retains water- tmiddles

Clouds don't trap heat. Clouds block cold. - Spongy Iris

Printing dollars to pay debt doesn't increase the number of dollars. - keepit

If Venus were a black body it would have a much much lower temperature than what we found there.- tmiddles

Ah the "Valid Data" myth of ITN/IBD. - tmiddles

Ceist - I couldn't agree with you more. But when money and religion are involved, and there are people who value them above all else, then the lies begin. - trafn

You are completely misunderstanding their use of the word "accumulation"! - Climate Scientist.

The Stefan-Boltzman equation doesn't come up with the correct temperature if greenhouse gases are not considered - Hank

:*sigh* Not the "raw data" crap. - Leafsdude

IB STILL hasn't explained what Planck's Law means. Just more hand waving that it applies to everything and more asserting that the greenhouse effect 'violates' it.- Ceist
19-03-2019 16:10
gfm7175Profile picture★★★☆☆
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IBdaMann wrote:
Into the Night wrote:
Nah. NASA had no power in this. There is no data to begin with. NASA isn't hiding data. There simply isn't any in the first place.

It is not possible to measure the temperature of the Earth.

Buried in all this is the incorrect assumption that data is somehow needed.

If you have science, you no longer need data. You have the science.

[rant]
On the other board, I was explaining how warmizombies should just shut up about this amazing "the data" they have (that strangely no one has ever seen) and worry about getting some science because then they wouldn't need "the data". I then got the predictable scientifically illiterate response "You can't have science without data."

I want to learn the secret to the warmizombies' Jedi mind trick that gets the stupidest people to perceive themselves as virtual Einsteins. They say the stupidest crap with the utmost confidence that it is settled science and that they somehow sound smart by saying it with a straight face.
[/rant]


The idea of "settled science" that these twits confidently chant is quite laughable... Science is never "settled"... A theory of science isn't a proof in any way. That theory just hasn't been falsified as of yet...




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