TRANSISTORS THAT GROW ON TREES

TRANSISTORS THAT GROW ON TREES
13 Comments by: Bryan Cockfield
April 28, 2023

Modern technology is riddled with innovations that were initially inspired by the natural world. Velcro, bullet trains, airplanes, solar panels, and many other technologies took inspiration from nature to become what they are today. While some of these examples might seem like obvious places to look, scientists are peering into more unconventional locations for this transistor design which is both inspired by and made out of wood.

The first obvious hurdle to overcome with any electronics made out of wood is that wood isn't particularly conductive, but then again a block of silicon needs some work before it reliably conducts electricity too. First, the lignin is removed from the wood by dissolving it in acetate, leaving behind mostly the cellulose structure. Then a conductive polymer is added to create a lattice structure of sorts using the wood cellulose as the structure. Within this structure, transistors can be constructed that function mostly the same as a conventional transistor might.

It might seem counterintuitive to use wood to build electronics like transistors, but this method might offer a number of advantages including sustainability, lower cost, recyclability, and physical flexibility. Wood can be worked in a number of ways once the lignin is removed, most notably when making paper, but removing the lignin can also make the wood relatively transparent as well which has a number of other potential uses.

HarveyH55 wrote:
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TRANSISTORS THAT GROW ON TREES
13 Comments by: Bryan Cockfield
April 28, 2023

Modern technology is riddled with innovations that were initially inspired by the natural world. Velcro, bullet trains, airplanes, solar panels, and many other technologies took inspiration from nature to become what they are today. While some of these examples might seem like obvious places to look, scientists are peering into more unconventional locations for this transistor design which is both inspired by and made out of wood.

The first obvious hurdle to overcome with any electronics made out of wood is that wood isn't particularly conductive, but then again a block of silicon needs some work before it reliably conducts electricity too. First, the lignin is removed from the wood by dissolving it in acetate, leaving behind mostly the cellulose structure. Then a conductive polymer is added to create a lattice structure of sorts using the wood cellulose as the structure. Within this structure, transistors can be constructed that function mostly the same as a conventional transistor might.

It might seem counterintuitive to use wood to build electronics like transistors, but this method might offer a number of advantages including sustainability, lower cost, recyclability, and physical flexibility. Wood can be worked in a number of ways once the lignin is removed, most notably when making paper, but removing the lignin can also make the wood relatively transparent as well which has a number of other potential uses.

Comments to the story linked, are little amusing... Not a very practical idea, but guessing Biden will throw in some tax dollars, because it's 'green'. The problem I see, is the wood will never be consistent. You could only make the device, then test each part, to find the operating parameters. Only way to find max values, would be destructive. You wouldn't run any semiconductor, even close to max anyway. I try to keep it under 80%, but I'm a little sloppy in design. Really not seeing much benefit to making transistors this way, other than it could be done.

Swan wrote:

HarveyH55 wrote:
link

TRANSISTORS THAT GROW ON TREES
13 Comments by: Bryan Cockfield
April 28, 2023

Modern technology is riddled with innovations that were initially inspired by the natural world. Velcro, bullet trains, airplanes, solar panels, and many other technologies took inspiration from nature to become what they are today. While some of these examples might seem like obvious places to look, scientists are peering into more unconventional locations for this transistor design which is both inspired by and made out of wood.

The first obvious hurdle to overcome with any electronics made out of wood is that wood isn't particularly conductive, but then again a block of silicon needs some work before it reliably conducts electricity too. First, the lignin is removed from the wood by dissolving it in acetate, leaving behind mostly the cellulose structure. Then a conductive polymer is added to create a lattice structure of sorts using the wood cellulose as the structure. Within this structure, transistors can be constructed that function mostly the same as a conventional transistor might.

It might seem counterintuitive to use wood to build electronics like transistors, but this method might offer a number of advantages including sustainability, lower cost, recyclability, and physical flexibility. Wood can be worked in a number of ways once the lignin is removed, most notably when making paper, but removing the lignin can also make the wood relatively transparent as well which has a number of other potential uses.

Comments to the story linked, are little amusing... Not a very practical idea, but guessing Biden will throw in some tax dollars, because it's 'green'. The problem I see, is the wood will never be consistent. You could only make the device, then test each part, to find the operating parameters. Only way to find max values, would be destructive. You wouldn't run any semiconductor, even close to max anyway. I try to keep it under 80%, but I'm a little sloppy in design. Really not seeing much benefit to making transistors this way, other than it could be done.

The article is a joke kid, wood is an insulator so it conducts nothing. LOL

Swan wrote:

HarveyH55 wrote:
link

TRANSISTORS THAT GROW ON TREES
13 Comments by: Bryan Cockfield
April 28, 2023

Modern technology is riddled with innovations that were initially inspired by the natural world. Velcro, bullet trains, airplanes, solar panels, and many other technologies took inspiration from nature to become what they are today. While some of these examples might seem like obvious places to look, scientists are peering into more unconventional locations for this transistor design which is both inspired by and made out of wood.

The first obvious hurdle to overcome with any electronics made out of wood is that wood isn't particularly conductive, but then again a block of silicon needs some work before it reliably conducts electricity too. First, the lignin is removed from the wood by dissolving it in acetate, leaving behind mostly the cellulose structure. Then a conductive polymer is added to create a lattice structure of sorts using the wood cellulose as the structure. Within this structure, transistors can be constructed that function mostly the same as a conventional transistor might.

It might seem counterintuitive to use wood to build electronics like transistors, but this method might offer a number of advantages including sustainability, lower cost, recyclability, and physical flexibility. Wood can be worked in a number of ways once the lignin is removed, most notably when making paper, but removing the lignin can also make the wood relatively transparent as well which has a number of other potential uses.

Comments to the story linked, are little amusing... Not a very practical idea, but guessing Biden will throw in some tax dollars, because it's 'green'. The problem I see, is the wood will never be consistent. You could only make the device, then test each part, to find the operating parameters. Only way to find max values, would be destructive. You wouldn't run any semiconductor, even close to max anyway. I try to keep it under 80%, but I'm a little sloppy in design. Really not seeing much benefit to making transistors this way, other than it could be done.

The article is a joke kid, wood is an insulator so it conducts nothing. LOL

Into the Night wrote:

Swan wrote:

HarveyH55 wrote:
link

TRANSISTORS THAT GROW ON TREES
13 Comments by: Bryan Cockfield
April 28, 2023

Modern technology is riddled with innovations that were initially inspired by the natural world. Velcro, bullet trains, airplanes, solar panels, and many other technologies took inspiration from nature to become what they are today. While some of these examples might seem like obvious places to look, scientists are peering into more unconventional locations for this transistor design which is both inspired by and made out of wood.

The first obvious hurdle to overcome with any electronics made out of wood is that wood isn't particularly conductive, but then again a block of silicon needs some work before it reliably conducts electricity too. First, the lignin is removed from the wood by dissolving it in acetate, leaving behind mostly the cellulose structure. Then a conductive polymer is added to create a lattice structure of sorts using the wood cellulose as the structure. Within this structure, transistors can be constructed that function mostly the same as a conventional transistor might.

It might seem counterintuitive to use wood to build electronics like transistors, but this method might offer a number of advantages including sustainability, lower cost, recyclability, and physical flexibility. Wood can be worked in a number of ways once the lignin is removed, most notably when making paper, but removing the lignin can also make the wood relatively transparent as well which has a number of other potential uses.

Comments to the story linked, are little amusing... Not a very practical idea, but guessing Biden will throw in some tax dollars, because it's 'green'. The problem I see, is the wood will never be consistent. You could only make the device, then test each part, to find the operating parameters. Only way to find max values, would be destructive. You wouldn't run any semiconductor, even close to max anyway. I try to keep it under 80%, but I'm a little sloppy in design. Really not seeing much benefit to making transistors this way, other than it could be done.

The article is a joke kid, wood is an insulator so it conducts nothing. LOL

WRONG.
Silicon is an insulator, so it conducts nothing.
Wood is a conductor (more of a resistor), depending on how much water is in it. That's why lightning blows a tree apart. It conducted the charge through the tree and boiled the water, making the tree explode.

It IS possible to make a field effect type transistor out of a potato. You have to place the leads very carefully in the cube of potato and keep it in a shallow dish (like a petri dish) to keep it moist. It turns green, but it does behave like a lousy version of a FET. Technicians were able to get a gain of 1.3 out of it.

I never said it was a great transistor.

There is really no reason wood wouldn't behave in a similar way. You wouldn't even WANT to take the lignin out. It's gain would probably be even less than a potato though.

Swan wrote:

Into the Night wrote:

Swan wrote:

HarveyH55 wrote:
link

TRANSISTORS THAT GROW ON TREES
13 Comments by: Bryan Cockfield
April 28, 2023

Modern technology is riddled with innovations that were initially inspired by the natural world. Velcro, bullet trains, airplanes, solar panels, and many other technologies took inspiration from nature to become what they are today. While some of these examples might seem like obvious places to look, scientists are peering into more unconventional locations for this transistor design which is both inspired by and made out of wood.

The first obvious hurdle to overcome with any electronics made out of wood is that wood isn't particularly conductive, but then again a block of silicon needs some work before it reliably conducts electricity too. First, the lignin is removed from the wood by dissolving it in acetate, leaving behind mostly the cellulose structure. Then a conductive polymer is added to create a lattice structure of sorts using the wood cellulose as the structure. Within this structure, transistors can be constructed that function mostly the same as a conventional transistor might.

It might seem counterintuitive to use wood to build electronics like transistors, but this method might offer a number of advantages including sustainability, lower cost, recyclability, and physical flexibility. Wood can be worked in a number of ways once the lignin is removed, most notably when making paper, but removing the lignin can also make the wood relatively transparent as well which has a number of other potential uses.

Comments to the story linked, are little amusing... Not a very practical idea, but guessing Biden will throw in some tax dollars, because it's 'green'. The problem I see, is the wood will never be consistent. You could only make the device, then test each part, to find the operating parameters. Only way to find max values, would be destructive. You wouldn't run any semiconductor, even close to max anyway. I try to keep it under 80%, but I'm a little sloppy in design. Really not seeing much benefit to making transistors this way, other than it could be done.

The article is a joke kid, wood is an insulator so it conducts nothing. LOL

WRONG.
Silicon is an insulator, so it conducts nothing.
Wood is a conductor (more of a resistor), depending on how much water is in it. That's why lightning blows a tree apart. It conducted the charge through the tree and boiled the water, making the tree explode.

It IS possible to make a field effect type transistor out of a potato. You have to place the leads very carefully in the cube of potato and keep it in a shallow dish (like a petri dish) to keep it moist. It turns green, but it does behave like a lousy version of a FET. Technicians were able to get a gain of 1.3 out of it.

I never said it was a great transistor.

There is really no reason wood wouldn't behave in a similar way. You wouldn't even WANT to take the lignin out. It's gain would probably be even less than a potato though.

Actually Silicon is a semiconductor that has both insulating and conduction properties. LOL so how many quintillion FLOPS are possible with your Mr. Potatohead or woody transistor?

Yawning

HarveyH55 wrote:

Swan wrote:

HarveyH55 wrote:
link

TRANSISTORS THAT GROW ON TREES
13 Comments by: Bryan Cockfield
April 28, 2023

Modern technology is riddled with innovations that were initially inspired by the natural world. Velcro, bullet trains, airplanes, solar panels, and many other technologies took inspiration from nature to become what they are today. While some of these examples might seem like obvious places to look, scientists are peering into more unconventional locations for this transistor design which is both inspired by and made out of wood.

The first obvious hurdle to overcome with any electronics made out of wood is that wood isn't particularly conductive, but then again a block of silicon needs some work before it reliably conducts electricity too. First, the lignin is removed from the wood by dissolving it in acetate, leaving behind mostly the cellulose structure. Then a conductive polymer is added to create a lattice structure of sorts using the wood cellulose as the structure. Within this structure, transistors can be constructed that function mostly the same as a conventional transistor might.

It might seem counterintuitive to use wood to build electronics like transistors, but this method might offer a number of advantages including sustainability, lower cost, recyclability, and physical flexibility. Wood can be worked in a number of ways once the lignin is removed, most notably when making paper, but removing the lignin can also make the wood relatively transparent as well which has a number of other potential uses.

Comments to the story linked, are little amusing... Not a very practical idea, but guessing Biden will throw in some tax dollars, because it's 'green'. The problem I see, is the wood will never be consistent. You could only make the device, then test each part, to find the operating parameters. Only way to find max values, would be destructive. You wouldn't run any semiconductor, even close to max anyway. I try to keep it under 80%, but I'm a little sloppy in design. Really not seeing much benefit to making transistors this way, other than it could be done.

The article is a joke kid, wood is an insulator so it conducts nothing. LOL

You don't read much... They used a solvent to remove everything, except the cellulose matrix, which is used as a structure. The wood is used a a structure, not a conductor, or even a semiconductor.

Plants and trees do conduct electricity, not well, but good enough with a high potential. Lightning strike, or even touching an electric fence. Yeah, you don't need to actually pee on the wire to get zapped... Ever notice how the power company trims tree limbs away from over-head transmission lines?

HarveyH55 wrote:

Swan wrote:

Into the Night wrote:

Swan wrote:

HarveyH55 wrote:
link

TRANSISTORS THAT GROW ON TREES
13 Comments by: Bryan Cockfield
April 28, 2023

Modern technology is riddled with innovations that were initially inspired by the natural world. Velcro, bullet trains, airplanes, solar panels, and many other technologies took inspiration from nature to become what they are today. While some of these examples might seem like obvious places to look, scientists are peering into more unconventional locations for this transistor design which is both inspired by and made out of wood.

The first obvious hurdle to overcome with any electronics made out of wood is that wood isn't particularly conductive, but then again a block of silicon needs some work before it reliably conducts electricity too. First, the lignin is removed from the wood by dissolving it in acetate, leaving behind mostly the cellulose structure. Then a conductive polymer is added to create a lattice structure of sorts using the wood cellulose as the structure. Within this structure, transistors can be constructed that function mostly the same as a conventional transistor might.

It might seem counterintuitive to use wood to build electronics like transistors, but this method might offer a number of advantages including sustainability, lower cost, recyclability, and physical flexibility. Wood can be worked in a number of ways once the lignin is removed, most notably when making paper, but removing the lignin can also make the wood relatively transparent as well which has a number of other potential uses.

Comments to the story linked, are little amusing... Not a very practical idea, but guessing Biden will throw in some tax dollars, because it's 'green'. The problem I see, is the wood will never be consistent. You could only make the device, then test each part, to find the operating parameters. Only way to find max values, would be destructive. You wouldn't run any semiconductor, even close to max anyway. I try to keep it under 80%, but I'm a little sloppy in design. Really not seeing much benefit to making transistors this way, other than it could be done.

The article is a joke kid, wood is an insulator so it conducts nothing. LOL

WRONG.
Silicon is an insulator, so it conducts nothing.
Wood is a conductor (more of a resistor), depending on how much water is in it. That's why lightning blows a tree apart. It conducted the charge through the tree and boiled the water, making the tree explode.

It IS possible to make a field effect type transistor out of a potato. You have to place the leads very carefully in the cube of potato and keep it in a shallow dish (like a petri dish) to keep it moist. It turns green, but it does behave like a lousy version of a FET. Technicians were able to get a gain of 1.3 out of it.

I never said it was a great transistor.

There is really no reason wood wouldn't behave in a similar way. You wouldn't even WANT to take the lignin out. It's gain would probably be even less than a potato though.

Actually Silicon is a semiconductor that has both insulating and conduction properties. LOL so how many quintillion FLOPS are possible with your Mr. Potatohead or woody transistor?

Yawning

Wrong again... Silicon by itself is an insulator, think glass. But, you can add metals and salts to it, called 'doping', which allows current to flow. Depending on how much, and what is added, current will flow only one direction. You can add layers of differently 'doped' silicon, and control which path current will take, called a gate.

Swan wrote:

HarveyH55 wrote:

Swan wrote:

Into the Night wrote:

Swan wrote:

HarveyH55 wrote:
link

TRANSISTORS THAT GROW ON TREES
13 Comments by: Bryan Cockfield
April 28, 2023

Modern technology is riddled with innovations that were initially inspired by the natural world. Velcro, bullet trains, airplanes, solar panels, and many other technologies took inspiration from nature to become what they are today. While some of these examples might seem like obvious places to look, scientists are peering into more unconventional locations for this transistor design which is both inspired by and made out of wood.

The first obvious hurdle to overcome with any electronics made out of wood is that wood isn't particularly conductive, but then again a block of silicon needs some work before it reliably conducts electricity too. First, the lignin is removed from the wood by dissolving it in acetate, leaving behind mostly the cellulose structure. Then a conductive polymer is added to create a lattice structure of sorts using the wood cellulose as the structure. Within this structure, transistors can be constructed that function mostly the same as a conventional transistor might.

It might seem counterintuitive to use wood to build electronics like transistors, but this method might offer a number of advantages including sustainability, lower cost, recyclability, and physical flexibility. Wood can be worked in a number of ways once the lignin is removed, most notably when making paper, but removing the lignin can also make the wood relatively transparent as well which has a number of other potential uses.

Comments to the story linked, are little amusing... Not a very practical idea, but guessing Biden will throw in some tax dollars, because it's 'green'. The problem I see, is the wood will never be consistent. You could only make the device, then test each part, to find the operating parameters. Only way to find max values, would be destructive. You wouldn't run any semiconductor, even close to max anyway. I try to keep it under 80%, but I'm a little sloppy in design. Really not seeing much benefit to making transistors this way, other than it could be done.

The article is a joke kid, wood is an insulator so it conducts nothing. LOL

WRONG.
Silicon is an insulator, so it conducts nothing.
Wood is a conductor (more of a resistor), depending on how much water is in it. That's why lightning blows a tree apart. It conducted the charge through the tree and boiled the water, making the tree explode.

It IS possible to make a field effect type transistor out of a potato. You have to place the leads very carefully in the cube of potato and keep it in a shallow dish (like a petri dish) to keep it moist. It turns green, but it does behave like a lousy version of a FET. Technicians were able to get a gain of 1.3 out of it.

I never said it was a great transistor.

There is really no reason wood wouldn't behave in a similar way. You wouldn't even WANT to take the lignin out. It's gain would probably be even less than a potato though.

Actually Silicon is a semiconductor that has both insulating and conduction properties. LOL so how many quintillion FLOPS are possible with your Mr. Potatohead or woody transistor?

Yawning

Wrong again... Silicon by itself is an insulator, think glass. But, you can add metals and salts to it, called 'doping', which allows current to flow. Depending on how much, and what is added, current will flow only one direction. You can add layers of differently 'doped' silicon, and control which path current will take, called a gate.

So you have already given up on your wood computer chip that does zero quintillion FLOPS, but keeps the woodpeckers happy.

PS. Silicon is a semiconductor, not an insulator nor a conductor, but having properties of both, hence the term, semiconductor.

HarveyH55 wrote:

Swan wrote:

HarveyH55 wrote:

Swan wrote:

Into the Night wrote:

Swan wrote:

HarveyH55 wrote:
link

TRANSISTORS THAT GROW ON TREES
13 Comments by: Bryan Cockfield
April 28, 2023

Modern technology is riddled with innovations that were initially inspired by the natural world. Velcro, bullet trains, airplanes, solar panels, and many other technologies took inspiration from nature to become what they are today. While some of these examples might seem like obvious places to look, scientists are peering into more unconventional locations for this transistor design which is both inspired by and made out of wood.

The first obvious hurdle to overcome with any electronics made out of wood is that wood isn't particularly conductive, but then again a block of silicon needs some work before it reliably conducts electricity too. First, the lignin is removed from the wood by dissolving it in acetate, leaving behind mostly the cellulose structure. Then a conductive polymer is added to create a lattice structure of sorts using the wood cellulose as the structure. Within this structure, transistors can be constructed that function mostly the same as a conventional transistor might.

It might seem counterintuitive to use wood to build electronics like transistors, but this method might offer a number of advantages including sustainability, lower cost, recyclability, and physical flexibility. Wood can be worked in a number of ways once the lignin is removed, most notably when making paper, but removing the lignin can also make the wood relatively transparent as well which has a number of other potential uses.

Comments to the story linked, are little amusing... Not a very practical idea, but guessing Biden will throw in some tax dollars, because it's 'green'. The problem I see, is the wood will never be consistent. You could only make the device, then test each part, to find the operating parameters. Only way to find max values, would be destructive. You wouldn't run any semiconductor, even close to max anyway. I try to keep it under 80%, but I'm a little sloppy in design. Really not seeing much benefit to making transistors this way, other than it could be done.

The article is a joke kid, wood is an insulator so it conducts nothing. LOL

WRONG.
Silicon is an insulator, so it conducts nothing.
Wood is a conductor (more of a resistor), depending on how much water is in it. That's why lightning blows a tree apart. It conducted the charge through the tree and boiled the water, making the tree explode.

It IS possible to make a field effect type transistor out of a potato. You have to place the leads very carefully in the cube of potato and keep it in a shallow dish (like a petri dish) to keep it moist. It turns green, but it does behave like a lousy version of a FET. Technicians were able to get a gain of 1.3 out of it.

I never said it was a great transistor.

There is really no reason wood wouldn't behave in a similar way. You wouldn't even WANT to take the lignin out. It's gain would probably be even less than a potato though.

Actually Silicon is a semiconductor that has both insulating and conduction properties. LOL so how many quintillion FLOPS are possible with your Mr. Potatohead or woody transistor?

Yawning

Wrong again... Silicon by itself is an insulator, think glass. But, you can add metals and salts to it, called 'doping', which allows current to flow. Depending on how much, and what is added, current will flow only one direction. You can add layers of differently 'doped' silicon, and control which path current will take, called a gate.

So you have already given up on your wood computer chip that does zero quintillion FLOPS, but keeps the woodpeckers happy.

PS. Silicon is a semiconductor, not an insulator nor a conductor, but having properties of both, hence the term, semiconductor.

Are you dyslexic? Pure silicon does not conduct, an insulator. The impurities added, are what conduct.

Swan wrote:

HarveyH55 wrote:

Swan wrote:

HarveyH55 wrote:

Swan wrote:

Into the Night wrote:

Swan wrote:

HarveyH55 wrote:
link

TRANSISTORS THAT GROW ON TREES
13 Comments by: Bryan Cockfield
April 28, 2023

Modern technology is riddled with innovations that were initially inspired by the natural world. Velcro, bullet trains, airplanes, solar panels, and many other technologies took inspiration from nature to become what they are today. While some of these examples might seem like obvious places to look, scientists are peering into more unconventional locations for this transistor design which is both inspired by and made out of wood.

The first obvious hurdle to overcome with any electronics made out of wood is that wood isn't particularly conductive, but then again a block of silicon needs some work before it reliably conducts electricity too. First, the lignin is removed from the wood by dissolving it in acetate, leaving behind mostly the cellulose structure. Then a conductive polymer is added to create a lattice structure of sorts using the wood cellulose as the structure. Within this structure, transistors can be constructed that function mostly the same as a conventional transistor might.

It might seem counterintuitive to use wood to build electronics like transistors, but this method might offer a number of advantages including sustainability, lower cost, recyclability, and physical flexibility. Wood can be worked in a number of ways once the lignin is removed, most notably when making paper, but removing the lignin can also make the wood relatively transparent as well which has a number of other potential uses.

Comments to the story linked, are little amusing... Not a very practical idea, but guessing Biden will throw in some tax dollars, because it's 'green'. The problem I see, is the wood will never be consistent. You could only make the device, then test each part, to find the operating parameters. Only way to find max values, would be destructive. You wouldn't run any semiconductor, even close to max anyway. I try to keep it under 80%, but I'm a little sloppy in design. Really not seeing much benefit to making transistors this way, other than it could be done.

The article is a joke kid, wood is an insulator so it conducts nothing. LOL

WRONG.
Silicon is an insulator, so it conducts nothing.
Wood is a conductor (more of a resistor), depending on how much water is in it. That's why lightning blows a tree apart. It conducted the charge through the tree and boiled the water, making the tree explode.

It IS possible to make a field effect type transistor out of a potato. You have to place the leads very carefully in the cube of potato and keep it in a shallow dish (like a petri dish) to keep it moist. It turns green, but it does behave like a lousy version of a FET. Technicians were able to get a gain of 1.3 out of it.

I never said it was a great transistor.

There is really no reason wood wouldn't behave in a similar way. You wouldn't even WANT to take the lignin out. It's gain would probably be even less than a potato though.

Actually Silicon is a semiconductor that has both insulating and conduction properties. LOL so how many quintillion FLOPS are possible with your Mr. Potatohead or woody transistor?

Yawning

Wrong again... Silicon by itself is an insulator, think glass. But, you can add metals and salts to it, called 'doping', which allows current to flow. Depending on how much, and what is added, current will flow only one direction. You can add layers of differently 'doped' silicon, and control which path current will take, called a gate.

So you have already given up on your wood computer chip that does zero quintillion FLOPS, but keeps the woodpeckers happy.

PS. Silicon is a semiconductor, not an insulator nor a conductor, but having properties of both, hence the term, semiconductor.

Are you dyslexic? Pure silicon does not conduct, an insulator. The impurities added, are what conduct.

However, you still cannot answer the question as to how many FLOPS the wood transistor that is the subject of this post is capable of. FLOPS by the way is an acronym for floating-point operations per second which describes the speed of the chip. So what is the speed of your wood chip? You forgot to mention this for some reason

Again Silicon was chosen for semiconductor design because in practical design it has both insulating and conduction abilities. Arguing this fact because you want desperately for me to be wrong makes you look silly as the fact is that Silicon does both in chips and that this is why it is there instead of copper or plastic like your brain uses

HarveyH55 wrote:

Swan wrote:

HarveyH55 wrote:

Swan wrote:

HarveyH55 wrote:

Swan wrote:

Into the Night wrote:

Swan wrote:

HarveyH55 wrote:
link

TRANSISTORS THAT GROW ON TREES
13 Comments by: Bryan Cockfield
April 28, 2023

Modern technology is riddled with innovations that were initially inspired by the natural world. Velcro, bullet trains, airplanes, solar panels, and many other technologies took inspiration from nature to become what they are today. While some of these examples might seem like obvious places to look, scientists are peering into more unconventional locations for this transistor design which is both inspired by and made out of wood.

The first obvious hurdle to overcome with any electronics made out of wood is that wood isn't particularly conductive, but then again a block of silicon needs some work before it reliably conducts electricity too. First, the lignin is removed from the wood by dissolving it in acetate, leaving behind mostly the cellulose structure. Then a conductive polymer is added to create a lattice structure of sorts using the wood cellulose as the structure. Within this structure, transistors can be constructed that function mostly the same as a conventional transistor might.

It might seem counterintuitive to use wood to build electronics like transistors, but this method might offer a number of advantages including sustainability, lower cost, recyclability, and physical flexibility. Wood can be worked in a number of ways once the lignin is removed, most notably when making paper, but removing the lignin can also make the wood relatively transparent as well which has a number of other potential uses.

Comments to the story linked, are little amusing... Not a very practical idea, but guessing Biden will throw in some tax dollars, because it's 'green'. The problem I see, is the wood will never be consistent. You could only make the device, then test each part, to find the operating parameters. Only way to find max values, would be destructive. You wouldn't run any semiconductor, even close to max anyway. I try to keep it under 80%, but I'm a little sloppy in design. Really not seeing much benefit to making transistors this way, other than it could be done.

The article is a joke kid, wood is an insulator so it conducts nothing. LOL

WRONG.
Silicon is an insulator, so it conducts nothing.
Wood is a conductor (more of a resistor), depending on how much water is in it. That's why lightning blows a tree apart. It conducted the charge through the tree and boiled the water, making the tree explode.

It IS possible to make a field effect type transistor out of a potato. You have to place the leads very carefully in the cube of potato and keep it in a shallow dish (like a petri dish) to keep it moist. It turns green, but it does behave like a lousy version of a FET. Technicians were able to get a gain of 1.3 out of it.

I never said it was a great transistor.

There is really no reason wood wouldn't behave in a similar way. You wouldn't even WANT to take the lignin out. It's gain would probably be even less than a potato though.

Actually Silicon is a semiconductor that has both insulating and conduction properties. LOL so how many quintillion FLOPS are possible with your Mr. Potatohead or woody transistor?

Yawning

Wrong again... Silicon by itself is an insulator, think glass. But, you can add metals and salts to it, called 'doping', which allows current to flow. Depending on how much, and what is added, current will flow only one direction. You can add layers of differently 'doped' silicon, and control which path current will take, called a gate.

So you have already given up on your wood computer chip that does zero quintillion FLOPS, but keeps the woodpeckers happy.

PS. Silicon is a semiconductor, not an insulator nor a conductor, but having properties of both, hence the term, semiconductor.

Are you dyslexic? Pure silicon does not conduct, an insulator. The impurities added, are what conduct.

However, you still cannot answer the question as to how many FLOPS the wood transistor that is the subject of this post is capable of. FLOPS by the way is an acronym for floating-point operations per second which describes the speed of the chip. So what is the speed of your wood chip? You forgot to mention this for some reason

Again Silicon was chosen for semiconductor design because in practical design it has both insulating and conduction abilities. Arguing this fact because you want desperately for me to be wrong makes you look silly as the fact is that Silicon does both in chips and that this is why it is there instead of copper or plastic like your brain uses

Your a moron, an seem really proud of the fact. You are totally clueless in electronics and computers, well pretty much everything you babble on about. A semiconductor, is not the same thing as a chip. Microprocessors are benchmarked in FLOPs. A microprocessors is made of a variety of semiconductor device. The simplest semiconductor is a diode, it doesn't do operations...

HarveyH55 wrote:

Swan wrote:

HarveyH55 wrote:
link

TRANSISTORS THAT GROW ON TREES
13 Comments by: Bryan Cockfield
April 28, 2023

Modern technology is riddled with innovations that were initially inspired by the natural world. Velcro, bullet trains, airplanes, solar panels, and many other technologies took inspiration from nature to become what they are today. While some of these examples might seem like obvious places to look, scientists are peering into more unconventional locations for this transistor design which is both inspired by and made out of wood.

The first obvious hurdle to overcome with any electronics made out of wood is that wood isn't particularly conductive, but then again a block of silicon needs some work before it reliably conducts electricity too. First, the lignin is removed from the wood by dissolving it in acetate, leaving behind mostly the cellulose structure. Then a conductive polymer is added to create a lattice structure of sorts using the wood cellulose as the structure. Within this structure, transistors can be constructed that function mostly the same as a conventional transistor might.

It might seem counterintuitive to use wood to build electronics like transistors, but this method might offer a number of advantages including sustainability, lower cost, recyclability, and physical flexibility. Wood can be worked in a number of ways once the lignin is removed, most notably when making paper, but removing the lignin can also make the wood relatively transparent as well which has a number of other potential uses.

Comments to the story linked, are little amusing... Not a very practical idea, but guessing Biden will throw in some tax dollars, because it's 'green'. The problem I see, is the wood will never be consistent. You could only make the device, then test each part, to find the operating parameters. Only way to find max values, would be destructive. You wouldn't run any semiconductor, even close to max anyway. I try to keep it under 80%, but I'm a little sloppy in design. Really not seeing much benefit to making transistors this way, other than it could be done.

The article is a joke kid, wood is an insulator so it conducts nothing. LOL

You don't read much... They used a solvent to remove everything, except the cellulose matrix, which is used as a structure. The wood is used a a structure, not a conductor, or even a semiconductor.

Plants and trees do conduct electricity, not well, but good enough with a high potential. Lightning strike, or even touching an electric fence. Yeah, you don't need to actually pee on the wire to get zapped... Ever notice how the power company trims tree limbs away from over-head transmission lines?

Swan wrote:

Into the Night wrote:

Swan wrote:

HarveyH55 wrote:
link

TRANSISTORS THAT GROW ON TREES
13 Comments by: Bryan Cockfield
April 28, 2023

Modern technology is riddled with innovations that were initially inspired by the natural world. Velcro, bullet trains, airplanes, solar panels, and many other technologies took inspiration from nature to become what they are today. While some of these examples might seem like obvious places to look, scientists are peering into more unconventional locations for this transistor design which is both inspired by and made out of wood.

The first obvious hurdle to overcome with any electronics made out of wood is that wood isn't particularly conductive, but then again a block of silicon needs some work before it reliably conducts electricity too. First, the lignin is removed from the wood by dissolving it in acetate, leaving behind mostly the cellulose structure. Then a conductive polymer is added to create a lattice structure of sorts using the wood cellulose as the structure. Within this structure, transistors can be constructed that function mostly the same as a conventional transistor might.

It might seem counterintuitive to use wood to build electronics like transistors, but this method might offer a number of advantages including sustainability, lower cost, recyclability, and physical flexibility. Wood can be worked in a number of ways once the lignin is removed, most notably when making paper, but removing the lignin can also make the wood relatively transparent as well which has a number of other potential uses.

Comments to the story linked, are little amusing... Not a very practical idea, but guessing Biden will throw in some tax dollars, because it's 'green'. The problem I see, is the wood will never be consistent. You could only make the device, then test each part, to find the operating parameters. Only way to find max values, would be destructive. You wouldn't run any semiconductor, even close to max anyway. I try to keep it under 80%, but I'm a little sloppy in design. Really not seeing much benefit to making transistors this way, other than it could be done.

The article is a joke kid, wood is an insulator so it conducts nothing. LOL

WRONG.
Silicon is an insulator, so it conducts nothing.
Wood is a conductor (more of a resistor), depending on how much water is in it. That's why lightning blows a tree apart. It conducted the charge through the tree and boiled the water, making the tree explode.

It IS possible to make a field effect type transistor out of a potato. You have to place the leads very carefully in the cube of potato and keep it in a shallow dish (like a petri dish) to keep it moist. It turns green, but it does behave like a lousy version of a FET. Technicians were able to get a gain of 1.3 out of it.

I never said it was a great transistor.

There is really no reason wood wouldn't behave in a similar way. You wouldn't even WANT to take the lignin out. It's gain would probably be even less than a potato though.

Actually Silicon is a semiconductor that has both insulating and conduction properties. LOL so how many quintillion FLOPS are possible with your Mr. Potatohead or woody transistor?

Yawning

Swan wrote:

HarveyH55 wrote:

Swan wrote:

HarveyH55 wrote:

Swan wrote:

HarveyH55 wrote:

Swan wrote:

Into the Night wrote:

Swan wrote:

HarveyH55 wrote:
link

TRANSISTORS THAT GROW ON TREES
13 Comments by: Bryan Cockfield
April 28, 2023

Modern technology is riddled with innovations that were initially inspired by the natural world. Velcro, bullet trains, airplanes, solar panels, and many other technologies took inspiration from nature to become what they are today. While some of these examples might seem like obvious places to look, scientists are peering into more unconventional locations for this transistor design which is both inspired by and made out of wood.

The first obvious hurdle to overcome with any electronics made out of wood is that wood isn't particularly conductive, but then again a block of silicon needs some work before it reliably conducts electricity too. First, the lignin is removed from the wood by dissolving it in acetate, leaving behind mostly the cellulose structure. Then a conductive polymer is added to create a lattice structure of sorts using the wood cellulose as the structure. Within this structure, transistors can be constructed that function mostly the same as a conventional transistor might.

It might seem counterintuitive to use wood to build electronics like transistors, but this method might offer a number of advantages including sustainability, lower cost, recyclability, and physical flexibility. Wood can be worked in a number of ways once the lignin is removed, most notably when making paper, but removing the lignin can also make the wood relatively transparent as well which has a number of other potential uses.

Comments to the story linked, are little amusing... Not a very practical idea, but guessing Biden will throw in some tax dollars, because it's 'green'. The problem I see, is the wood will never be consistent. You could only make the device, then test each part, to find the operating parameters. Only way to find max values, would be destructive. You wouldn't run any semiconductor, even close to max anyway. I try to keep it under 80%, but I'm a little sloppy in design. Really not seeing much benefit to making transistors this way, other than it could be done.

The article is a joke kid, wood is an insulator so it conducts nothing. LOL

WRONG.
Silicon is an insulator, so it conducts nothing.
Wood is a conductor (more of a resistor), depending on how much water is in it. That's why lightning blows a tree apart. It conducted the charge through the tree and boiled the water, making the tree explode.

It IS possible to make a field effect type transistor out of a potato. You have to place the leads very carefully in the cube of potato and keep it in a shallow dish (like a petri dish) to keep it moist. It turns green, but it does behave like a lousy version of a FET. Technicians were able to get a gain of 1.3 out of it.

I never said it was a great transistor.

There is really no reason wood wouldn't behave in a similar way. You wouldn't even WANT to take the lignin out. It's gain would probably be even less than a potato though.

Actually Silicon is a semiconductor that has both insulating and conduction properties. LOL so how many quintillion FLOPS are possible with your Mr. Potatohead or woody transistor?

Yawning

Wrong again... Silicon by itself is an insulator, think glass. But, you can add metals and salts to it, called 'doping', which allows current to flow. Depending on how much, and what is added, current will flow only one direction. You can add layers of differently 'doped' silicon, and control which path current will take, called a gate.

So you have already given up on your wood computer chip that does zero quintillion FLOPS, but keeps the woodpeckers happy.

PS. Silicon is a semiconductor, not an insulator nor a conductor, but having properties of both, hence the term, semiconductor.

Are you dyslexic? Pure silicon does not conduct, an insulator. The impurities added, are what conduct.

However, you still cannot answer the question as to how many FLOPS the wood transistor that is the subject of this post is capable of. FLOPS by the way is an acronym for floating-point operations per second which describes the speed of the chip. So what is the speed of your wood chip? You forgot to mention this for some reason

Again Silicon was chosen for semiconductor design because in practical design it has both insulating and conduction abilities. Arguing this fact because you want desperately for me to be wrong makes you look silly as the fact is that Silicon does both in chips and that this is why it is there instead of copper or plastic like your brain uses

Your a moron, an seem really proud of the fact. You are totally clueless in electronics and computers, well pretty much everything you babble on about. A semiconductor, is not the same thing as a chip. Microprocessors are benchmarked in FLOPs. A microprocessors is made of a variety of semiconductor device. The simplest semiconductor is a diode, it doesn't do operations...

LOL, tell us more about the wood transistor that you invested the farm in? Does it do FLOPS or is it just a FLOP like you?

Swan wrote:

HarveyH55 wrote:

Swan wrote:

Into the Night wrote:

Swan wrote:

HarveyH55 wrote:
link

TRANSISTORS THAT GROW ON TREES
13 Comments by: Bryan Cockfield
April 28, 2023

Modern technology is riddled with innovations that were initially inspired by the natural world. Velcro, bullet trains, airplanes, solar panels, and many other technologies took inspiration from nature to become what they are today. While some of these examples might seem like obvious places to look, scientists are peering into more unconventional locations for this transistor design which is both inspired by and made out of wood.

The first obvious hurdle to overcome with any electronics made out of wood is that wood isn't particularly conductive, but then again a block of silicon needs some work before it reliably conducts electricity too. First, the lignin is removed from the wood by dissolving it in acetate, leaving behind mostly the cellulose structure. Then a conductive polymer is added to create a lattice structure of sorts using the wood cellulose as the structure. Within this structure, transistors can be constructed that function mostly the same as a conventional transistor might.

It might seem counterintuitive to use wood to build electronics like transistors, but this method might offer a number of advantages including sustainability, lower cost, recyclability, and physical flexibility. Wood can be worked in a number of ways once the lignin is removed, most notably when making paper, but removing the lignin can also make the wood relatively transparent as well which has a number of other potential uses.

Comments to the story linked, are little amusing... Not a very practical idea, but guessing Biden will throw in some tax dollars, because it's 'green'. The problem I see, is the wood will never be consistent. You could only make the device, then test each part, to find the operating parameters. Only way to find max values, would be destructive. You wouldn't run any semiconductor, even close to max anyway. I try to keep it under 80%, but I'm a little sloppy in design. Really not seeing much benefit to making transistors this way, other than it could be done.

The article is a joke kid, wood is an insulator so it conducts nothing. LOL

WRONG.
Silicon is an insulator, so it conducts nothing.
Wood is a conductor (more of a resistor), depending on how much water is in it. That's why lightning blows a tree apart. It conducted the charge through the tree and boiled the water, making the tree explode.

It IS possible to make a field effect type transistor out of a potato. You have to place the leads very carefully in the cube of potato and keep it in a shallow dish (like a petri dish) to keep it moist. It turns green, but it does behave like a lousy version of a FET. Technicians were able to get a gain of 1.3 out of it.

I never said it was a great transistor.

There is really no reason wood wouldn't behave in a similar way. You wouldn't even WANT to take the lignin out. It's gain would probably be even less than a potato though.

Actually Silicon is a semiconductor that has both insulating and conduction properties. LOL so how many quintillion FLOPS are possible with your Mr. Potatohead or woody transistor?

Yawning

Wrong again... Silicon by itself is an insulator, think glass. But, you can add metals and salts to it, called 'doping', which allows current to flow. Depending on how much, and what is added, current will flow only one direction. You can add layers of differently 'doped' silicon, and control which path current will take, called a gate.

So you have already given up on your wood computer chip that does zero quintillion FLOPS, but keeps the woodpeckers happy.

PS. Silicon is a semiconductor, not an insulator nor a conductor, but having properties of both, hence the term, semiconductor.

Swan wrote:

HarveyH55 wrote:

Swan wrote:

HarveyH55 wrote:

Swan wrote:

Into the Night wrote:

Swan wrote:

HarveyH55 wrote:
link

TRANSISTORS THAT GROW ON TREES
13 Comments by: Bryan Cockfield
April 28, 2023

Modern technology is riddled with innovations that were initially inspired by the natural world. Velcro, bullet trains, airplanes, solar panels, and many other technologies took inspiration from nature to become what they are today. While some of these examples might seem like obvious places to look, scientists are peering into more unconventional locations for this transistor design which is both inspired by and made out of wood.

The first obvious hurdle to overcome with any electronics made out of wood is that wood isn't particularly conductive, but then again a block of silicon needs some work before it reliably conducts electricity too. First, the lignin is removed from the wood by dissolving it in acetate, leaving behind mostly the cellulose structure. Then a conductive polymer is added to create a lattice structure of sorts using the wood cellulose as the structure. Within this structure, transistors can be constructed that function mostly the same as a conventional transistor might.

It might seem counterintuitive to use wood to build electronics like transistors, but this method might offer a number of advantages including sustainability, lower cost, recyclability, and physical flexibility. Wood can be worked in a number of ways once the lignin is removed, most notably when making paper, but removing the lignin can also make the wood relatively transparent as well which has a number of other potential uses.

Comments to the story linked, are little amusing... Not a very practical idea, but guessing Biden will throw in some tax dollars, because it's 'green'. The problem I see, is the wood will never be consistent. You could only make the device, then test each part, to find the operating parameters. Only way to find max values, would be destructive. You wouldn't run any semiconductor, even close to max anyway. I try to keep it under 80%, but I'm a little sloppy in design. Really not seeing much benefit to making transistors this way, other than it could be done.

The article is a joke kid, wood is an insulator so it conducts nothing. LOL

WRONG.
Silicon is an insulator, so it conducts nothing.
Wood is a conductor (more of a resistor), depending on how much water is in it. That's why lightning blows a tree apart. It conducted the charge through the tree and boiled the water, making the tree explode.

It IS possible to make a field effect type transistor out of a potato. You have to place the leads very carefully in the cube of potato and keep it in a shallow dish (like a petri dish) to keep it moist. It turns green, but it does behave like a lousy version of a FET. Technicians were able to get a gain of 1.3 out of it.

I never said it was a great transistor.

There is really no reason wood wouldn't behave in a similar way. You wouldn't even WANT to take the lignin out. It's gain would probably be even less than a potato though.

Actually Silicon is a semiconductor that has both insulating and conduction properties. LOL so how many quintillion FLOPS are possible with your Mr. Potatohead or woody transistor?

Yawning

Wrong again... Silicon by itself is an insulator, think glass. But, you can add metals and salts to it, called 'doping', which allows current to flow. Depending on how much, and what is added, current will flow only one direction. You can add layers of differently 'doped' silicon, and control which path current will take, called a gate.

So you have already given up on your wood computer chip that does zero quintillion FLOPS, but keeps the woodpeckers happy.

PS. Silicon is a semiconductor, not an insulator nor a conductor, but having properties of both, hence the term, semiconductor.

Are you dyslexic? Pure silicon does not conduct, an insulator. The impurities added, are what conduct.

However, you still cannot answer the question as to how many FLOPS the wood transistor that is the subject of this post is capable of. FLOPS by the way is an acronym for floating-point operations per second which describes the speed of the chip. So what is the speed of your wood chip? You forgot to mention this for some reason

Again Silicon was chosen for semiconductor design because in practical design it has both insulating and conduction abilities. Arguing this fact because you want desperately for me to be wrong makes you look silly as the fact is that Silicon does both in chips and that this is why it is there instead of copper or plastic like your brain uses

Swan wrote:

HarveyH55 wrote:

Swan wrote:

HarveyH55 wrote:

Swan wrote:

HarveyH55 wrote:

Swan wrote:

Into the Night wrote:

Swan wrote:

HarveyH55 wrote:
link

TRANSISTORS THAT GROW ON TREES
13 Comments by: Bryan Cockfield
April 28, 2023

Modern technology is riddled with innovations that were initially inspired by the natural world. Velcro, bullet trains, airplanes, solar panels, and many other technologies took inspiration from nature to become what they are today. While some of these examples might seem like obvious places to look, scientists are peering into more unconventional locations for this transistor design which is both inspired by and made out of wood.

The first obvious hurdle to overcome with any electronics made out of wood is that wood isn't particularly conductive, but then again a block of silicon needs some work before it reliably conducts electricity too. First, the lignin is removed from the wood by dissolving it in acetate, leaving behind mostly the cellulose structure. Then a conductive polymer is added to create a lattice structure of sorts using the wood cellulose as the structure. Within this structure, transistors can be constructed that function mostly the same as a conventional transistor might.

It might seem counterintuitive to use wood to build electronics like transistors, but this method might offer a number of advantages including sustainability, lower cost, recyclability, and physical flexibility. Wood can be worked in a number of ways once the lignin is removed, most notably when making paper, but removing the lignin can also make the wood relatively transparent as well which has a number of other potential uses.

Comments to the story linked, are little amusing... Not a very practical idea, but guessing Biden will throw in some tax dollars, because it's 'green'. The problem I see, is the wood will never be consistent. You could only make the device, then test each part, to find the operating parameters. Only way to find max values, would be destructive. You wouldn't run any semiconductor, even close to max anyway. I try to keep it under 80%, but I'm a little sloppy in design. Really not seeing much benefit to making transistors this way, other than it could be done.

The article is a joke kid, wood is an insulator so it conducts nothing. LOL

WRONG.
Silicon is an insulator, so it conducts nothing.
Wood is a conductor (more of a resistor), depending on how much water is in it. That's why lightning blows a tree apart. It conducted the charge through the tree and boiled the water, making the tree explode.

It IS possible to make a field effect type transistor out of a potato. You have to place the leads very carefully in the cube of potato and keep it in a shallow dish (like a petri dish) to keep it moist. It turns green, but it does behave like a lousy version of a FET. Technicians were able to get a gain of 1.3 out of it.

I never said it was a great transistor.

There is really no reason wood wouldn't behave in a similar way. You wouldn't even WANT to take the lignin out. It's gain would probably be even less than a potato though.

Actually Silicon is a semiconductor that has both insulating and conduction properties. LOL so how many quintillion FLOPS are possible with your Mr. Potatohead or woody transistor?

Yawning

Wrong again... Silicon by itself is an insulator, think glass. But, you can add metals and salts to it, called 'doping', which allows current to flow. Depending on how much, and what is added, current will flow only one direction. You can add layers of differently 'doped' silicon, and control which path current will take, called a gate.

So you have already given up on your wood computer chip that does zero quintillion FLOPS, but keeps the woodpeckers happy.

PS. Silicon is a semiconductor, not an insulator nor a conductor, but having properties of both, hence the term, semiconductor.

Are you dyslexic? Pure silicon does not conduct, an insulator. The impurities added, are what conduct.

However, you still cannot answer the question as to how many FLOPS the wood transistor that is the subject of this post is capable of. FLOPS by the way is an acronym for floating-point operations per second which describes the speed of the chip. So what is the speed of your wood chip? You forgot to mention this for some reason

Again Silicon was chosen for semiconductor design because in practical design it has both insulating and conduction abilities. Arguing this fact because you want desperately for me to be wrong makes you look silly as the fact is that Silicon does both in chips and that this is why it is there instead of copper or plastic like your brain uses

Your a moron, an seem really proud of the fact. You are totally clueless in electronics and computers, well pretty much everything you babble on about. A semiconductor, is not the same thing as a chip. Microprocessors are benchmarked in FLOPs. A microprocessors is made of a variety of semiconductor device. The simplest semiconductor is a diode, it doesn't do operations...

LOL, tell us more about the wood transistor that you invested the farm in? Does it do FLOPS or is it just a FLOP like you?

Into the Night wrote:

Swan wrote:

Into the Night wrote:

Swan wrote:

HarveyH55 wrote:
link

TRANSISTORS THAT GROW ON TREES
13 Comments by: Bryan Cockfield
April 28, 2023

Modern technology is riddled with innovations that were initially inspired by the natural world. Velcro, bullet trains, airplanes, solar panels, and many other technologies took inspiration from nature to become what they are today. While some of these examples might seem like obvious places to look, scientists are peering into more unconventional locations for this transistor design which is both inspired by and made out of wood.

The first obvious hurdle to overcome with any electronics made out of wood is that wood isn't particularly conductive, but then again a block of silicon needs some work before it reliably conducts electricity too. First, the lignin is removed from the wood by dissolving it in acetate, leaving behind mostly the cellulose structure. Then a conductive polymer is added to create a lattice structure of sorts using the wood cellulose as the structure. Within this structure, transistors can be constructed that function mostly the same as a conventional transistor might.

It might seem counterintuitive to use wood to build electronics like transistors, but this method might offer a number of advantages including sustainability, lower cost, recyclability, and physical flexibility. Wood can be worked in a number of ways once the lignin is removed, most notably when making paper, but removing the lignin can also make the wood relatively transparent as well which has a number of other potential uses.

Comments to the story linked, are little amusing... Not a very practical idea, but guessing Biden will throw in some tax dollars, because it's 'green'. The problem I see, is the wood will never be consistent. You could only make the device, then test each part, to find the operating parameters. Only way to find max values, would be destructive. You wouldn't run any semiconductor, even close to max anyway. I try to keep it under 80%, but I'm a little sloppy in design. Really not seeing much benefit to making transistors this way, other than it could be done.

The article is a joke kid, wood is an insulator so it conducts nothing. LOL

WRONG.
Silicon is an insulator, so it conducts nothing.
Wood is a conductor (more of a resistor), depending on how much water is in it. That's why lightning blows a tree apart. It conducted the charge through the tree and boiled the water, making the tree explode.

It IS possible to make a field effect type transistor out of a potato. You have to place the leads very carefully in the cube of potato and keep it in a shallow dish (like a petri dish) to keep it moist. It turns green, but it does behave like a lousy version of a FET. Technicians were able to get a gain of 1.3 out of it.

I never said it was a great transistor.

There is really no reason wood wouldn't behave in a similar way. You wouldn't even WANT to take the lignin out. It's gain would probably be even less than a potato though.

Actually Silicon is a semiconductor that has both insulating and conduction properties. LOL so how many quintillion FLOPS are possible with your Mr. Potatohead or woody transistor?

Yawning

Silicon is not a semiconductor. It is an insulator. A good one too.

Into the Night wrote:

Swan wrote:

HarveyH55 wrote:

Swan wrote:

HarveyH55 wrote:

Swan wrote:

HarveyH55 wrote:

Swan wrote:

Into the Night wrote:

Swan wrote:

HarveyH55 wrote:
link

TRANSISTORS THAT GROW ON TREES
13 Comments by: Bryan Cockfield
April 28, 2023

Modern technology is riddled with innovations that were initially inspired by the natural world. Velcro, bullet trains, airplanes, solar panels, and many other technologies took inspiration from nature to become what they are today. While some of these examples might seem like obvious places to look, scientists are peering into more unconventional locations for this transistor design which is both inspired by and made out of wood.

The first obvious hurdle to overcome with any electronics made out of wood is that wood isn't particularly conductive, but then again a block of silicon needs some work before it reliably conducts electricity too. First, the lignin is removed from the wood by dissolving it in acetate, leaving behind mostly the cellulose structure. Then a conductive polymer is added to create a lattice structure of sorts using the wood cellulose as the structure. Within this structure, transistors can be constructed that function mostly the same as a conventional transistor might.

It might seem counterintuitive to use wood to build electronics like transistors, but this method might offer a number of advantages including sustainability, lower cost, recyclability, and physical flexibility. Wood can be worked in a number of ways once the lignin is removed, most notably when making paper, but removing the lignin can also make the wood relatively transparent as well which has a number of other potential uses.

Comments to the story linked, are little amusing... Not a very practical idea, but guessing Biden will throw in some tax dollars, because it's 'green'. The problem I see, is the wood will never be consistent. You could only make the device, then test each part, to find the operating parameters. Only way to find max values, would be destructive. You wouldn't run any semiconductor, even close to max anyway. I try to keep it under 80%, but I'm a little sloppy in design. Really not seeing much benefit to making transistors this way, other than it could be done.

The article is a joke kid, wood is an insulator so it conducts nothing. LOL

WRONG.
Silicon is an insulator, so it conducts nothing.
Wood is a conductor (more of a resistor), depending on how much water is in it. That's why lightning blows a tree apart. It conducted the charge through the tree and boiled the water, making the tree explode.

It IS possible to make a field effect type transistor out of a potato. You have to place the leads very carefully in the cube of potato and keep it in a shallow dish (like a petri dish) to keep it moist. It turns green, but it does behave like a lousy version of a FET. Technicians were able to get a gain of 1.3 out of it.

I never said it was a great transistor.

There is really no reason wood wouldn't behave in a similar way. You wouldn't even WANT to take the lignin out. It's gain would probably be even less than a potato though.

Actually Silicon is a semiconductor that has both insulating and conduction properties. LOL so how many quintillion FLOPS are possible with your Mr. Potatohead or woody transistor?

Yawning

Wrong again... Silicon by itself is an insulator, think glass. But, you can add metals and salts to it, called 'doping', which allows current to flow. Depending on how much, and what is added, current will flow only one direction. You can add layers of differently 'doped' silicon, and control which path current will take, called a gate.

So you have already given up on your wood computer chip that does zero quintillion FLOPS, but keeps the woodpeckers happy.

PS. Silicon is a semiconductor, not an insulator nor a conductor, but having properties of both, hence the term, semiconductor.

Are you dyslexic? Pure silicon does not conduct, an insulator. The impurities added, are what conduct.

However, you still cannot answer the question as to how many FLOPS the wood transistor that is the subject of this post is capable of. FLOPS by the way is an acronym for floating-point operations per second which describes the speed of the chip. So what is the speed of your wood chip? You forgot to mention this for some reason

Again Silicon was chosen for semiconductor design because in practical design it has both insulating and conduction abilities. Arguing this fact because you want desperately for me to be wrong makes you look silly as the fact is that Silicon does both in chips and that this is why it is there instead of copper or plastic like your brain uses

Your a moron, an seem really proud of the fact. You are totally clueless in electronics and computers, well pretty much everything you babble on about. A semiconductor, is not the same thing as a chip. Microprocessors are benchmarked in FLOPs. A microprocessors is made of a variety of semiconductor device. The simplest semiconductor is a diode, it doesn't do operations...

LOL, tell us more about the wood transistor that you invested the farm in? Does it do FLOPS or is it just a FLOP like you?

No one is talking about wood microprocessors except you. Mantra 40a.

HarveyH55 wrote:
Oh, should explain the humor of the article. Forgot about your marginal intellect likely missed it...

The ultra-pure silicon used in semiconductors, is the same ultra-pure silicon used for solar panels. Solar cells are... Guess... Solar cells are arrays of semiconductors! Going 'green' is putting a squeeze pure silicon production, and the wood semiconductors, is a lame attempt to mitigate, or at least score some Bide research bucks. Biden will fund anything with a 'green' label these days. Biden set aside billions of tax dollars,to fund opening some chip manufacturing plants. Competing for the needed silicon, is really going to hurt production, an profitability. The silicon used for one residential rooftop solar installation, would have produced literally millions of computer chips. Yep, there is only a very thin, few millimeters square piece in each chip.

Swan wrote:

HarveyH55 wrote:
Oh, should explain the humor of the article. Forgot about your marginal intellect likely missed it...

The ultra-pure silicon used in semiconductors, is the same ultra-pure silicon used for solar panels. Solar cells are... Guess... Solar cells are arrays of semiconductors! Going 'green' is putting a squeeze pure silicon production, and the wood semiconductors, is a lame attempt to mitigate, or at least score some Bide research bucks. Biden will fund anything with a 'green' label these days. Biden set aside billions of tax dollars,to fund opening some chip manufacturing plants. Competing for the needed silicon, is really going to hurt production, an profitability. The silicon used for one residential rooftop solar installation, would have produced literally millions of computer chips. Yep, there is only a very thin, few millimeters square piece in each chip.

Pure silicon is not used in semiconductors

HarveyH55 wrote:

Swan wrote:

HarveyH55 wrote:
Oh, should explain the humor of the article. Forgot about your marginal intellect likely missed it...

The ultra-pure silicon used in semiconductors, is the same ultra-pure silicon used for solar panels. Solar cells are... Guess... Solar cells are arrays of semiconductors! Going 'green' is putting a squeeze pure silicon production, and the wood semiconductors, is a lame attempt to mitigate, or at least score some Bide research bucks. Biden will fund anything with a 'green' label these days. Biden set aside billions of tax dollars,to fund opening some chip manufacturing plants. Competing for the needed silicon, is really going to hurt production, an profitability. The silicon used for one residential rooftop solar installation, would have produced literally millions of computer chips. Yep, there is only a very thin, few millimeters square piece in each chip.

Pure silicon is not used in semiconductors

Yes, it is. Jesus... An I.C. (integrated circuit) is but on a thin disk of pure silicon, a 'wafer', the substrate. Layers of doped silicon is deposited on the substrate, which defines the circuit, and properties. I'm sure you can find a picture book version, or YouTube explaining the fabrication processes used.

Now, go take another bath, still stink like manure...

Swan wrote:

HarveyH55 wrote:

Swan wrote:

HarveyH55 wrote:
Oh, should explain the humor of the article. Forgot about your marginal intellect likely missed it...

The ultra-pure silicon used in semiconductors, is the same ultra-pure silicon used for solar panels. Solar cells are... Guess... Solar cells are arrays of semiconductors! Going 'green' is putting a squeeze pure silicon production, and the wood semiconductors, is a lame attempt to mitigate, or at least score some Bide research bucks. Biden will fund anything with a 'green' label these days. Biden set aside billions of tax dollars,to fund opening some chip manufacturing plants. Competing for the needed silicon, is really going to hurt production, an profitability. The silicon used for one residential rooftop solar installation, would have produced literally millions of computer chips. Yep, there is only a very thin, few millimeters square piece in each chip.

Pure silicon is not used in semiconductors

Yes, it is. Jesus... An I.C. (integrated circuit) is but on a thin disk of pure silicon, a 'wafer', the substrate. Layers of doped silicon is deposited on the substrate, which defines the circuit, and properties. I'm sure you can find a picture book version, or YouTube explaining the fabrication processes used.

Now, go take another bath, still stink like manure...

The Silicon is combined with other materials. The conductivity of silicon is increased by adding a small amount (of the order of 1 in 108) of pentavalent (antimony, phosphorus, or arsenic) or trivalent (boron, gallium, indium) atoms. This process is known as doping, and the resulting semiconductors are known as doped or extrinsic semiconductors.

Pure Gold is also not used in making jewelry as it is far too soft so Copper, Nickle or Zinc are added to increase the hardness of the metal

Swan wrote:

Into the Night wrote:

Swan wrote:

Into the Night wrote:

Swan wrote:

The article is a joke kid, wood is an insulator so it conducts nothing. LOL

WRONG.
Silicon is an insulator, so it conducts nothing.
Wood is a conductor (more of a resistor), depending on how much water is in it. That's why lightning blows a tree apart. It conducted the charge through the tree and boiled the water, making the tree explode.

It IS possible to make a field effect type transistor out of a potato. You have to place the leads very carefully in the cube of potato and keep it in a shallow dish (like a petri dish) to keep it moist. It turns green, but it does behave like a lousy version of a FET. Technicians were able to get a gain of 1.3 out of it.

I never said it was a great transistor.

There is really no reason wood wouldn't behave in a similar way. You wouldn't even WANT to take the lignin out. It's gain would probably be even less than a potato though.

Actually Silicon is a semiconductor that has both insulating and conduction properties. LOL so how many quintillion FLOPS are possible with your Mr. Potatohead or woody transistor?

Yawning

Silicon is not a semiconductor. It is an insulator. A good one too.

And in reality. Silicon is a chemical element with the symbol Si and atomic number 14. It is a hard, brittle crystalline solid with a blue-grey metallic luster, and is a tetravalent metalloid and semiconductor.

Swan wrote:

Into the Night wrote:
No one is talking about wood microprocessors except you. Mantra 40a.

Actually

HarveyH55 wrote:
Oh, should explain the humor of the article. Forgot about your marginal intellect likely missed it...

The ultra-pure silicon used in semiconductors, is the same ultra-pure silicon used for solar panels. Solar cells are... Guess... Solar cells are arrays of semiconductors! Going 'green' is putting a squeeze pure silicon production, and the wood semiconductors, is a lame attempt to mitigate, or at least score some Bide research bucks. Biden will fund anything with a 'green' label these days. Biden set aside billions of tax dollars,to fund opening some chip manufacturing plants. Competing for the needed silicon, is really going to hurt production, an profitability. The silicon used for one residential rooftop solar installation, would have produced literally millions of computer chips. Yep, there is only a very thin, few millimeters square piece in each chip.

Swan wrote:

HarveyH55 wrote:
Oh, should explain the humor of the article. Forgot about your marginal intellect likely missed it...

The ultra-pure silicon used in semiconductors, is the same ultra-pure silicon used for solar panels. Solar cells are... Guess... Solar cells are arrays of semiconductors! Going 'green' is putting a squeeze pure silicon production, and the wood semiconductors, is a lame attempt to mitigate, or at least score some Bide research bucks. Biden will fund anything with a 'green' label these days. Biden set aside billions of tax dollars,to fund opening some chip manufacturing plants. Competing for the needed silicon, is really going to hurt production, an profitability. The silicon used for one residential rooftop solar installation, would have produced literally millions of computer chips. Yep, there is only a very thin, few millimeters square piece in each chip.

Pure silicon is not used in semiconductors

HarveyH55 wrote:

Swan wrote:

HarveyH55 wrote:
Oh, should explain the humor of the article. Forgot about your marginal intellect likely missed it...

The ultra-pure silicon used in semiconductors, is the same ultra-pure silicon used for solar panels. Solar cells are... Guess... Solar cells are arrays of semiconductors! Going 'green' is putting a squeeze pure silicon production, and the wood semiconductors, is a lame attempt to mitigate, or at least score some Bide research bucks. Biden will fund anything with a 'green' label these days. Biden set aside billions of tax dollars,to fund opening some chip manufacturing plants. Competing for the needed silicon, is really going to hurt production, an profitability. The silicon used for one residential rooftop solar installation, would have produced literally millions of computer chips. Yep, there is only a very thin, few millimeters square piece in each chip.

Pure silicon is not used in semiconductors

Yes, it is. Jesus... An I.C. (integrated circuit) is but on a thin disk of pure silicon, a 'wafer', the substrate. Layers of doped silicon is deposited on the substrate, which defines the circuit, and properties. I'm sure you can find a picture book version, or YouTube explaining the fabrication processes used.

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HarveyH55 wrote:

Swan wrote:

HarveyH55 wrote:

Swan wrote:

HarveyH55 wrote:
Oh, should explain the humor of the article. Forgot about your marginal intellect likely missed it...

The ultra-pure silicon used in semiconductors, is the same ultra-pure silicon used for solar panels. Solar cells are... Guess... Solar cells are arrays of semiconductors! Going 'green' is putting a squeeze pure silicon production, and the wood semiconductors, is a lame attempt to mitigate, or at least score some Bide research bucks. Biden will fund anything with a 'green' label these days. Biden set aside billions of tax dollars,to fund opening some chip manufacturing plants. Competing for the needed silicon, is really going to hurt production, an profitability. The silicon used for one residential rooftop solar installation, would have produced literally millions of computer chips. Yep, there is only a very thin, few millimeters square piece in each chip.

Pure silicon is not used in semiconductors

Yes, it is. Jesus... An I.C. (integrated circuit) is but on a thin disk of pure silicon, a 'wafer', the substrate. Layers of doped silicon is deposited on the substrate, which defines the circuit, and properties. I'm sure you can find a picture book version, or YouTube explaining the fabrication processes used.

Now, go take another bath, still stink like manure...

The Silicon is combined with other materials. The conductivity of silicon is increased by adding a small amount (of the order of 1 in 108) of pentavalent (antimony, phosphorus, or arsenic) or trivalent (boron, gallium, indium) atoms. This process is known as doping, and the resulting semiconductors are known as doped or extrinsic semiconductors.

Pure Gold is also not used in making jewelry as it is far too soft so Copper, Nickle or Zinc are added to increase the hardness of the metal

Really? I've got an old ring, with a pretty big natural gold nugget, surrounded by tiny ones (flakes?). Grandfather left it to me. Pure gold is used in electronics. Thin gold wires, thinner than a human hair, are used to connect the silicon to the pins/pads that run outside the package, to be soldered on a circuit board. Connectors and PC boards sometimes gold plated, for corrosion resistance.

HarveyH55 wrote:

Swan wrote:

HarveyH55 wrote:

Swan wrote:

HarveyH55 wrote:
Oh, should explain the humor of the article. Forgot about your marginal intellect likely missed it...

The ultra-pure silicon used in semiconductors, is the same ultra-pure silicon used for solar panels. Solar cells are... Guess... Solar cells are arrays of semiconductors! Going 'green' is putting a squeeze pure silicon production, and the wood semiconductors, is a lame attempt to mitigate, or at least score some Bide research bucks. Biden will fund anything with a 'green' label these days. Biden set aside billions of tax dollars,to fund opening some chip manufacturing plants. Competing for the needed silicon, is really going to hurt production, an profitability. The silicon used for one residential rooftop solar installation, would have produced literally millions of computer chips. Yep, there is only a very thin, few millimeters square piece in each chip.

Pure silicon is not used in semiconductors

Yes, it is. Jesus... An I.C. (integrated circuit) is but on a thin disk of pure silicon, a 'wafer', the substrate. Layers of doped silicon is deposited on the substrate, which defines the circuit, and properties. I'm sure you can find a picture book version, or YouTube explaining the fabrication processes used.

Now, go take another bath, still stink like manure...

The Silicon is combined with other materials. The conductivity of silicon is increased by adding a small amount (of the order of 1 in 108) of pentavalent (antimony, phosphorus, or arsenic) or trivalent (boron, gallium, indium) atoms. This process is known as doping, and the resulting semiconductors are known as doped or extrinsic semiconductors.

Pure Gold is also not used in making jewelry as it is far too soft so Copper, Nickle or Zinc are added to increase the hardness of the metal

Really? I've got an old ring, with a pretty big natural gold nugget, surrounded by tiny ones (flakes?). Grandfather left it to me. Pure gold is used in electronics. Thin gold wires, thinner than a human hair, are used to connect the silicon to the pins/pads that run outside the package, to be soldered on a circuit board. Connectors and PC boards sometimes gold plated, for corrosion resistance.

Swan wrote:

HarveyH55 wrote:

Swan wrote:

HarveyH55 wrote:

Swan wrote:

HarveyH55 wrote:
Oh, should explain the humor of the article. Forgot about your marginal intellect likely missed it...

The ultra-pure silicon used in semiconductors, is the same ultra-pure silicon used for solar panels. Solar cells are... Guess... Solar cells are arrays of semiconductors! Going 'green' is putting a squeeze pure silicon production, and the wood semiconductors, is a lame attempt to mitigate, or at least score some Bide research bucks. Biden will fund anything with a 'green' label these days. Biden set aside billions of tax dollars,to fund opening some chip manufacturing plants. Competing for the needed silicon, is really going to hurt production, an profitability. The silicon used for one residential rooftop solar installation, would have produced literally millions of computer chips. Yep, there is only a very thin, few millimeters square piece in each chip.

Pure silicon is not used in semiconductors

Yes, it is. Jesus... An I.C. (integrated circuit) is but on a thin disk of pure silicon, a 'wafer', the substrate. Layers of doped silicon is deposited on the substrate, which defines the circuit, and properties. I'm sure you can find a picture book version, or YouTube explaining the fabrication processes used.

Now, go take another bath, still stink like manure...

The Silicon is combined with other materials. The conductivity of silicon is increased by adding a small amount (of the order of 1 in 108) of pentavalent (antimony, phosphorus, or arsenic) or trivalent (boron, gallium, indium) atoms. This process is known as doping, and the resulting semiconductors are known as doped or extrinsic semiconductors.

Pure Gold is also not used in making jewelry as it is far too soft so Copper, Nickle or Zinc are added to increase the hardness of the metal

Really? I've got an old ring, with a pretty big natural gold nugget, surrounded by tiny ones (flakes?). Grandfather left it to me. Pure gold is used in electronics. Thin gold wires, thinner than a human hair, are used to connect the silicon to the pins/pads that run outside the package, to be soldered on a circuit board. Connectors and PC boards sometimes gold plated, for corrosion resistance.

A gold nugget is not a ring that fits over a finger, you are confused as the ring part is not pure gold. Besides moron, there is no such thing as a pure gold nugget, as gold is only pure after processing and all nuggets are unprocessed.

You are retarded

Into the Night wrote:

Swan wrote:

HarveyH55 wrote:

Swan wrote:

HarveyH55 wrote:

Swan wrote:

HarveyH55 wrote:
Oh, should explain the humor of the article. Forgot about your marginal intellect likely missed it...

The ultra-pure silicon used in semiconductors, is the same ultra-pure silicon used for solar panels. Solar cells are... Guess... Solar cells are arrays of semiconductors! Going 'green' is putting a squeeze pure silicon production, and the wood semiconductors, is a lame attempt to mitigate, or at least score some Bide research bucks. Biden will fund anything with a 'green' label these days. Biden set aside billions of tax dollars,to fund opening some chip manufacturing plants. Competing for the needed silicon, is really going to hurt production, an profitability. The silicon used for one residential rooftop solar installation, would have produced literally millions of computer chips. Yep, there is only a very thin, few millimeters square piece in each chip.

Pure silicon is not used in semiconductors

Yes, it is. Jesus... An I.C. (integrated circuit) is but on a thin disk of pure silicon, a 'wafer', the substrate. Layers of doped silicon is deposited on the substrate, which defines the circuit, and properties. I'm sure you can find a picture book version, or YouTube explaining the fabrication processes used.

Now, go take another bath, still stink like manure...

The Silicon is combined with other materials. The conductivity of silicon is increased by adding a small amount (of the order of 1 in 108) of pentavalent (antimony, phosphorus, or arsenic) or trivalent (boron, gallium, indium) atoms. This process is known as doping, and the resulting semiconductors are known as doped or extrinsic semiconductors.

Pure Gold is also not used in making jewelry as it is far too soft so Copper, Nickle or Zinc are added to increase the hardness of the metal

Really? I've got an old ring, with a pretty big natural gold nugget, surrounded by tiny ones (flakes?). Grandfather left it to me. Pure gold is used in electronics. Thin gold wires, thinner than a human hair, are used to connect the silicon to the pins/pads that run outside the package, to be soldered on a circuit board. Connectors and PC boards sometimes gold plated, for corrosion resistance.

A gold nugget is not a ring that fits over a finger, you are confused as the ring part is not pure gold. Besides moron, there is no such thing as a pure gold nugget, as gold is only pure after processing and all nuggets are unprocessed.

You are retarded

Gold does not need 'processing' to be pure gold.

Swan wrote:

HarveyH55 wrote:

Swan wrote:

HarveyH55 wrote:

Swan wrote:

HarveyH55 wrote:
Oh, should explain the humor of the article. Forgot about your marginal intellect likely missed it...

The ultra-pure silicon used in semiconductors, is the same ultra-pure silicon used for solar panels. Solar cells are... Guess... Solar cells are arrays of semiconductors! Going 'green' is putting a squeeze pure silicon production, and the wood semiconductors, is a lame attempt to mitigate, or at least score some Bide research bucks. Biden will fund anything with a 'green' label these days. Biden set aside billions of tax dollars,to fund opening some chip manufacturing plants. Competing for the needed silicon, is really going to hurt production, an profitability. The silicon used for one residential rooftop solar installation, would have produced literally millions of computer chips. Yep, there is only a very thin, few millimeters square piece in each chip.

Pure silicon is not used in semiconductors

Yes, it is. Jesus... An I.C. (integrated circuit) is but on a thin disk of pure silicon, a 'wafer', the substrate. Layers of doped silicon is deposited on the substrate, which defines the circuit, and properties. I'm sure you can find a picture book version, or YouTube explaining the fabrication processes used.

Now, go take another bath, still stink like manure...

The Silicon is combined with other materials. The conductivity of silicon is increased by adding a small amount (of the order of 1 in 108) of pentavalent (antimony, phosphorus, or arsenic) or trivalent (boron, gallium, indium) atoms. This process is known as doping, and the resulting semiconductors are known as doped or extrinsic semiconductors.

Pure Gold is also not used in making jewelry as it is far too soft so Copper, Nickle or Zinc are added to increase the hardness of the metal

Really? I've got an old ring, with a pretty big natural gold nugget, surrounded by tiny ones (flakes?). Grandfather left it to me. Pure gold is used in electronics. Thin gold wires, thinner than a human hair, are used to connect the silicon to the pins/pads that run outside the package, to be soldered on a circuit board. Connectors and PC boards sometimes gold plated, for corrosion resistance.

A gold nugget is not a ring that fits over a finger, you are confused as the ring part is not pure gold. Besides moron, there is no such thing as a pure gold nugget, as gold is only pure after processing and all nuggets are unprocessed.

You are retarded

Swan wrote:

Into the Night wrote:

Swan wrote:

HarveyH55 wrote:

Swan wrote:

HarveyH55 wrote:

Swan wrote:

HarveyH55 wrote:
Oh, should explain the humor of the article. Forgot about your marginal intellect likely missed it...

The ultra-pure silicon used in semiconductors, is the same ultra-pure silicon used for solar panels. Solar cells are... Guess... Solar cells are arrays of semiconductors! Going 'green' is putting a squeeze pure silicon production, and the wood semiconductors, is a lame attempt to mitigate, or at least score some Bide research bucks. Biden will fund anything with a 'green' label these days. Biden set aside billions of tax dollars,to fund opening some chip manufacturing plants. Competing for the needed silicon, is really going to hurt production, an profitability. The silicon used for one residential rooftop solar installation, would have produced literally millions of computer chips. Yep, there is only a very thin, few millimeters square piece in each chip.

Pure silicon is not used in semiconductors

Yes, it is. Jesus... An I.C. (integrated circuit) is but on a thin disk of pure silicon, a 'wafer', the substrate. Layers of doped silicon is deposited on the substrate, which defines the circuit, and properties. I'm sure you can find a picture book version, or YouTube explaining the fabrication processes used.

Now, go take another bath, still stink like manure...

The Silicon is combined with other materials. The conductivity of silicon is increased by adding a small amount (of the order of 1 in 108) of pentavalent (antimony, phosphorus, or arsenic) or trivalent (boron, gallium, indium) atoms. This process is known as doping, and the resulting semiconductors are known as doped or extrinsic semiconductors.

Pure Gold is also not used in making jewelry as it is far too soft so Copper, Nickle or Zinc are added to increase the hardness of the metal

Really? I've got an old ring, with a pretty big natural gold nugget, surrounded by tiny ones (flakes?). Grandfather left it to me. Pure gold is used in electronics. Thin gold wires, thinner than a human hair, are used to connect the silicon to the pins/pads that run outside the package, to be soldered on a circuit board. Connectors and PC boards sometimes gold plated, for corrosion resistance.

A gold nugget is not a ring that fits over a finger, you are confused as the ring part is not pure gold. Besides moron, there is no such thing as a pure gold nugget, as gold is only pure after processing and all nuggets are unprocessed.

You are retarded

Gold does not need 'processing' to be pure gold.

So in your sad little World when gold is mined it is already .9999 percent pure. In reality in the real World a gold nugget lies somewhere between 50% and 95% pure with the rest being other minerals such as quartz.

HarveyH55 wrote:

Swan wrote:

HarveyH55 wrote:

Swan wrote:

HarveyH55 wrote:

Swan wrote:

HarveyH55 wrote:
Oh, should explain the humor of the article. Forgot about your marginal intellect likely missed it...

The ultra-pure silicon used in semiconductors, is the same ultra-pure silicon used for solar panels. Solar cells are... Guess... Solar cells are arrays of semiconductors! Going 'green' is putting a squeeze pure silicon production, and the wood semiconductors, is a lame attempt to mitigate, or at least score some Bide research bucks. Biden will fund anything with a 'green' label these days. Biden set aside billions of tax dollars,to fund opening some chip manufacturing plants. Competing for the needed silicon, is really going to hurt production, an profitability. The silicon used for one residential rooftop solar installation, would have produced literally millions of computer chips. Yep, there is only a very thin, few millimeters square piece in each chip.

Pure silicon is not used in semiconductors

Yes, it is. Jesus... An I.C. (integrated circuit) is but on a thin disk of pure silicon, a 'wafer', the substrate. Layers of doped silicon is deposited on the substrate, which defines the circuit, and properties. I'm sure you can find a picture book version, or YouTube explaining the fabrication processes used.

Now, go take another bath, still stink like manure...

The Silicon is combined with other materials. The conductivity of silicon is increased by adding a small amount (of the order of 1 in 108) of pentavalent (antimony, phosphorus, or arsenic) or trivalent (boron, gallium, indium) atoms. This process is known as doping, and the resulting semiconductors are known as doped or extrinsic semiconductors.

Pure Gold is also not used in making jewelry as it is far too soft so Copper, Nickle or Zinc are added to increase the hardness of the metal

Really? I've got an old ring, with a pretty big natural gold nugget, surrounded by tiny ones (flakes?). Grandfather left it to me. Pure gold is used in electronics. Thin gold wires, thinner than a human hair, are used to connect the silicon to the pins/pads that run outside the package, to be soldered on a circuit board. Connectors and PC boards sometimes gold plated, for corrosion resistance.

A gold nugget is not a ring that fits over a finger, you are confused as the ring part is not pure gold. Besides moron, there is no such thing as a pure gold nugget, as gold is only pure after processing and all nuggets are unprocessed.

You are retarded

You really don't know much about anything... One too many E.C.T. sessions? The band is silver, the nuggets embedded. There probably isn't more than a couple grams of gold, if removed.

Gold ore needs processed, nuggets are often relatively pure. Processing removes rock/quartz that maybe in or on the surface of the gold metal. Natural gold isn't an alloy, usually.

Swan wrote:

HarveyH55 wrote:

Swan wrote:

HarveyH55 wrote:

Swan wrote:

HarveyH55 wrote:

Swan wrote:

HarveyH55 wrote:
Oh, should explain the humor of the article. Forgot about your marginal intellect likely missed it...

The ultra-pure silicon used in semiconductors, is the same ultra-pure silicon used for solar panels. Solar cells are... Guess... Solar cells are arrays of semiconductors! Going 'green' is putting a squeeze pure silicon production, and the wood semiconductors, is a lame attempt to mitigate, or at least score some Bide research bucks. Biden will fund anything with a 'green' label these days. Biden set aside billions of tax dollars,to fund opening some chip manufacturing plants. Competing for the needed silicon, is really going to hurt production, an profitability. The silicon used for one residential rooftop solar installation, would have produced literally millions of computer chips. Yep, there is only a very thin, few millimeters square piece in each chip.

Pure silicon is not used in semiconductors

Yes, it is. Jesus... An I.C. (integrated circuit) is but on a thin disk of pure silicon, a 'wafer', the substrate. Layers of doped silicon is deposited on the substrate, which defines the circuit, and properties. I'm sure you can find a picture book version, or YouTube explaining the fabrication processes used.

Now, go take another bath, still stink like manure...

The Silicon is combined with other materials. The conductivity of silicon is increased by adding a small amount (of the order of 1 in 108) of pentavalent (antimony, phosphorus, or arsenic) or trivalent (boron, gallium, indium) atoms. This process is known as doping, and the resulting semiconductors are known as doped or extrinsic semiconductors.

Pure Gold is also not used in making jewelry as it is far too soft so Copper, Nickle or Zinc are added to increase the hardness of the metal

Really? I've got an old ring, with a pretty big natural gold nugget, surrounded by tiny ones (flakes?). Grandfather left it to me. Pure gold is used in electronics. Thin gold wires, thinner than a human hair, are used to connect the silicon to the pins/pads that run outside the package, to be soldered on a circuit board. Connectors and PC boards sometimes gold plated, for corrosion resistance.

A gold nugget is not a ring that fits over a finger, you are confused as the ring part is not pure gold. Besides moron, there is no such thing as a pure gold nugget, as gold is only pure after processing and all nuggets are unprocessed.

You are retarded

You really don't know much about anything... One too many E.C.T. sessions? The band is silver, the nuggets embedded. There probably isn't more than a couple grams of gold, if removed.

Gold ore needs processed, nuggets are often relatively pure. Processing removes rock/quartz that maybe in or on the surface of the gold metal. Natural gold isn't an alloy, usually.

Actually all mined or panned gold contains impurities until it is combined with Chloride and smelted. Most mined gold is about 85% pure, the most common impurities in gold are silver, copper, zinc and iron. .9999 percent gold nuggets do not exist on the Earth

Into the Night wrote:

Swan wrote:

HarveyH55 wrote:

Swan wrote:

HarveyH55 wrote:

Swan wrote:

HarveyH55 wrote:

Swan wrote:

HarveyH55 wrote:
Oh, should explain the humor of the article. Forgot about your marginal intellect likely missed it...

The ultra-pure silicon used in semiconductors, is the same ultra-pure silicon used for solar panels. Solar cells are... Guess... Solar cells are arrays of semiconductors! Going 'green' is putting a squeeze pure silicon production, and the wood semiconductors, is a lame attempt to mitigate, or at least score some Bide research bucks. Biden will fund anything with a 'green' label these days. Biden set aside billions of tax dollars,to fund opening some chip manufacturing plants. Competing for the needed silicon, is really going to hurt production, an profitability. The silicon used for one residential rooftop solar installation, would have produced literally millions of computer chips. Yep, there is only a very thin, few millimeters square piece in each chip.

Pure silicon is not used in semiconductors

Yes, it is. Jesus... An I.C. (integrated circuit) is but on a thin disk of pure silicon, a 'wafer', the substrate. Layers of doped silicon is deposited on the substrate, which defines the circuit, and properties. I'm sure you can find a picture book version, or YouTube explaining the fabrication processes used.

Now, go take another bath, still stink like manure...

The Silicon is combined with other materials. The conductivity of silicon is increased by adding a small amount (of the order of 1 in 108) of pentavalent (antimony, phosphorus, or arsenic) or trivalent (boron, gallium, indium) atoms. This process is known as doping, and the resulting semiconductors are known as doped or extrinsic semiconductors.

Pure Gold is also not used in making jewelry as it is far too soft so Copper, Nickle or Zinc are added to increase the hardness of the metal

Really? I've got an old ring, with a pretty big natural gold nugget, surrounded by tiny ones (flakes?). Grandfather left it to me. Pure gold is used in electronics. Thin gold wires, thinner than a human hair, are used to connect the silicon to the pins/pads that run outside the package, to be soldered on a circuit board. Connectors and PC boards sometimes gold plated, for corrosion resistance.

A gold nugget is not a ring that fits over a finger, you are confused as the ring part is not pure gold. Besides moron, there is no such thing as a pure gold nugget, as gold is only pure after processing and all nuggets are unprocessed.

You are retarded

You really don't know much about anything... One too many E.C.T. sessions? The band is silver, the nuggets embedded. There probably isn't more than a couple grams of gold, if removed.

Gold ore needs processed, nuggets are often relatively pure. Processing removes rock/quartz that maybe in or on the surface of the gold metal. Natural gold isn't an alloy, usually.

Actually all mined or panned gold contains impurities until it is combined with Chloride and smelted. Most mined gold is about 85% pure, the most common impurities in gold are silver, copper, zinc and iron. .9999 percent gold nuggets do not exist on the Earth

Yes it does.
Gold is not combined with chloride to be smelted. You do not need to smelt gold.
Gold is easily separated from any of the other metals you listed (if any) by melting it.