Tipping point

trafn wrote: Yet in this thread you have accused others of having no science, of speaking gibberish, of being scientifically illiterate morons.

maciejzi wrote:
I don't remember having +14'C on Haloween where I live. When I was a child, some 30 years ago, it was freezing cold on this day. Usually -5'C to +5'C. This year it will be +14'C and sunny.

I mean, I drive a petrol car, at home I use electricity mostly from coal. I am OK with that. I am just afraid of the possible implications of billions of tons of CO2...

The atmosphere is a fluid, as physicists tell us. It is a giant system of air rivers, i.e. winds. Nobody can pollute the land rivers, right? Then why everybody can pollute atmosphere with flue gases?

We build and operate waste water treatment plants, or sewage plants, and it is economically viable. Then why some people say that flue purification wouldn't be profitable? And that it is a No-No, the economy would colapse if we would clean our mess and people would loose jobs, and a disaster would come then.
It is not something that would really happen, I suppose

trafn wrote:
@IBdaMann - actually, what you bring up is a practical example of tipping points which was the actual topic of this thread. In this case study, the tipping point was one of internet social behavior where individuals who repeatedly attack the messenger, instead of discussing the message, will ultimately bring an entire website to the tipping point of changing that behavior.

Somehow you seem to hold the position that asking you not to insult others is somehow an insult to you. The only way to respond to such a statement is merely to make the offer of peaceful conversation. No one can force you to participate in a respectful manner, but in the hope that you might one day do so, I will always hold that door open for you. So, as you continue to post negatively towards others, I will continue to follow your posts with a message of healing. When you are ready to let go of your wounds, we welcome you.

trafn wrote:
@maciejzi - most respected authorities today agree that CO2 does contribute to the GHG effect. However, if you factor in Global Warming Potential, CO2's overall importance comes into question. For better understanding, please read the following posts:

http://www.climate-debate.com/forum/is-co2-nothing-more-than-a-m2c2-companion-ghg-d24-e776.php#post_4022

http://www.climate-debate.com/forum/is-co2-nothing-more-than-a-m2c2-companion-ghg-d24-e776.php#post_4039

http://www.climate-debate.com/forum/is-co2-nothing-more-than-a-m2c2-companion-ghg-d24-e776.php#post_4045

(note: this comment was previously posted in the Dry Ice thread, but it is both on topic and relevant to this thread at this time, so, given its brevity, it was re-posted here)

trafn wrote:
@Into the Night - you wrote I find it interesting that you feel you need to bring our own arguments out of the Kiddie Pool for discussion here.

I find it interesting that you feel the need to extract other people's content from Sharing Ideas without their permission, yet you criticize others when they quote their own content from Sharing Ideas.

trafn wrote:
Hypocritical statements like the one you just made are common symptoms of a confused fugue state where one finds wrong-doing in others behavior, yet no wrong-doing when they exhibit similar or the same behavior.
*spam

trafn wrote:
@Into the Night - you wrote Censorship does not heal.

trafn wrote:
Interestingly, it is you and IBdaMann who were censoring when you both extracted content out of Sharing Ideas for new threads you had started soley for the purpose of mocking people who had posted inside of Sharing Ideas, and you did so without getting permission to extract that content from the people who wrote it.

trafn wrote:
People who post in Sharing Ideas do so because they do not want to be victimized by the kind of behavior that you and IBdaMann commonly exhibit towards others. Yet, rather than respond on topic to them within Sharing Ideas, you extracted their content, without their permission, and then proceeded to ridicule them in a sub-forum which allowed such harassment. More than censorship, what you are doing is bullying.

trafn wrote:
On this website, there are many sub-forums, all of which except for one, allow you, IBdaMann, and anyone else who likes to intimidate and harass others to do so.

trafn wrote:
On this website, there is only one sub-forum where you are not allowed to post intimidating or harassing comments. For some reason, you feel threatened and censored by not being allowed to harass and intimidate everyone in every sub-forum on this website.

trafn wrote:[quote]trafn wrote:
The Napoleon Complex occurs when someone feels the need to project control needlessly over others.

trafn wrote:
Often this is a compensatory mechanism frequently employed by individuals of short stature. Those suffering from a Napoleon Complex often feel the need to intimidate and harass others in order to make themselves feel better.

trafn wrote:
Yet, rather than taking out one's own inadequacies on others, why not join Sharing Ideas, a new sub-forum at Climate-debate.com where you will learn how to accept your inadequacies, as well as those of others, without having to harass or intimidate anyone.

Sharing Ideas - the harassment-free sub-forum!

trafn wrote:
@Into the Night - I create nothing. Only branner creates.

As to your statement Now you spam the Kiddie pool again. Have you no awareness at all? Have you not context at all? Have you forgotten how many times I've told you in no uncertain terms that I will not take part in the Kiddie Pool?

You are repeating yourself over and over, again.

Neurotic Compulsive Disorder (NCD) is a condition where an individual feels the need to needlessly repeat the same thing over and over again in an often tiresome and irrelevant manner. Pathological cousin to the more common OCD, NCD is the favored behavior pattern of individuals who seek to harass and intimidate, rather than discuss. To avoid NCD like behavior, consider posting in Sharing Ideas, the new moderated sub-forum at Climate-debate.com where we are OCD about no NCD.

Sharing Ideas - the NCD-free sub-forum!

trafn wrote:
@Into the Night - you wrote your continuing to ask everyone you see to rejoin you in your Zone of Control

Yes, I am extending a voluntary invitation, but you are continuing to harass and intimidate people all over this website. I'm only offering a harassment free alternative to you unpleasant behavior. As to whether anyone does post in Sharing Ideas is not under my control. All I can do is try to make people aware that there is a better alternative every time you spew your negativity. So here goes.

Negative Personality Actualization (NPA) is the process of creating a dysfunctional personality deep within one's own sub-counsious which allows for the person to exhibit anti-social behavior without taking responsibility for such behavoir. NPA is a deep rooted and difficult condition to treat. Often, therapeutic assistance is helpful. At Climate-debate.com we offer such assistance in our new, moderated, Sharing Ideas sub-forum.

Sharing Ideas - where we say "No Way" to NPA!

trafn wrote:
@Tim the plumber - you stated The use of food as fuel is killing tens of millions per year.

In your opinion, is anyone who posts on this website advocating for the use of food as fuel?

trafn wrote:
@Tim the plumber - you wrote You have shown a complete lack of any understanding about anything.

My profile - trafn

Your profile - Tim the plumber

Notice any difference?

Care to tell us what your background in "science" is?

Tim the plumber wrote:
Trafn,

Your position is that "wealth cannot be created or destroyed" and other such idiot ideas.

You have shown a complete lack of any understanding about anything. The impacts of climate change being just one of these areas of stupidity.

Your idiocy would be harmless if it was not dressed up as science and believed by similarly scientifically useless types. As it is you are doing great damage.

The stupid over focus on CO2 as the chief problem is causing many deaths all the time.

Resources which should be being used to fight cancer or to house the poor are instead wasted on wind mills that fail to usefully produce electricity.

Cars pump out poison due to the avoidance of CO2 over safety. Thousand die each year in each city of the UK due to this.

Bad science is highly destructive.

You are responsible for propagating drivel. Stop it. Stop doing evil. If you do not understand it think about and learn about it from all sides. This is taxing and difficult. Unlucky.

trafn wrote:
@Into the Night - you wrote Is this relevant?

Absolutely.

Now, answer the question.

trafn wrote:
@Tim the plumber - you wrote You have shown a complete lack of any understanding about anything.

My profile - trafn

Your profile - Tim the plumber

Notice any difference?

Care to tell us what your background in "science" is?

IBdaMann wrote:Everything you said is correct.

trafn is not interested in saving lives or helping humanity. He is interested only in destroying capitalism, and if that means people must die then people must die. If it means referring to a life-essential gas as a pollutant then we must insist that CO2 is a pollutant. If bogus pseudo-science is what is required to bamboozle the people into playing along and killing millions of people in the process, then insist that "climate" is science we shall. If what is needed is to censor and silence voices of reason then censorship is the modus operandi.

Tim the plumber wrote:
[quote]IBdaMann wrote:Everything you said is correct.

The GW thing is the excuse to do what he wants, which is to have the power to kill loads of people!!!!

Obviously given the chance he would do so, otherwise how would he know he really had the power?

The history of communist regimes seems to be a catalog of them attempting to out do each other in mass murder. [/color]

Nok spamn for alle wrote:Still avoiding THE question, huh?
You'll do anything to keep from showing us that you have NO science background at all.

trafn wrote:They are only irrelevant to people who don't have any.

trafn wrote: You are the only one who can prove me wrong.

trafn wrote:You have many credentials:

DoD

branner

trafn wrote:
@IBdaMann - you wrote is there a punchline coming?

No.

DoD/NAS/NI Rule #1:

When nothing makes sense, then all that's left is to look at what doesn't make sense.

You are branner.

So, ask the next obvious question.