08-10-2015 19:40 | |
IBdaMann![]() (14949) |
climate scientist wrote: I posted the link to the Venus and Earth temperature vs pressure profiles for everyone to see ... You are apparently not making progress getting over the religion-science discernability hump. A link to the preacher's sermon is not scientific/math/logical support for the sermon. Religion is not science. climate scientist wrote: Yes. O3 absorbs infrared because it is a greenhouse gas! Nope, you can't (validly) say that any gas is a "greenhouse gas" whose properties cause a "greenhouse effect" because you have no "greenhouse effect" that doesn't violate the laws of physics. At best you can assert that there are some gases that your religion has declared have mystical, magical superpowers climate scientist wrote:We don't even have a defined "greenhouse effect" that doesn't violate the 1st LoT such that any atmospheric gases have any properties that cause it. Simply not having any such definition is sufficient. After all, you were the one who was supposed to provide it and it never materialized, hence, we don't have one. I don't think i can [define it]. I just kind of get a feel for the phrase. - keepit A Spaghetti strainer with the faucet running, retains water- tmiddles Clouds don't trap heat. Clouds block cold. - Spongy Iris Printing dollars to pay debt doesn't increase the number of dollars. - keepit If Venus were a black body it would have a much much lower temperature than what we found there.- tmiddles Ah the "Valid Data" myth of ITN/IBD. - tmiddles Ceist - I couldn't agree with you more. But when money and religion are involved, and there are people who value them above all else, then the lies begin. - trafn You are completely misunderstanding their use of the word "accumulation"! - Climate Scientist. The Stefan-Boltzman equation doesn't come up with the correct temperature if greenhouse gases are not considered - Hank :*sigh* Not the "raw data" crap. - Leafsdude IB STILL hasn't explained what Planck's Law means. Just more hand waving that it applies to everything and more asserting that the greenhouse effect 'violates' it.- Ceist |
08-10-2015 19:55 | |
trafn![]() (779) |
Oh dear, dear climate scientist, Is it better to endure the slings and arrows of the childish behavior of those who employ Religion, Repetitiveness and Redundancy - the preferred Three R's of the climate science illiterate! Or, should we just leave them in the corner and ignore them like the immature little children that they are? Your non-response would say it all! The 2015 M2C2 (Global 9/11) Denialist Troll Awards 1st Place - Jep Branner - Our Stupid Administrator! 2nd Place - IBdaMann - Science IS cherry picking! 3rd Place - Into the Night - Mr. Nonsense numbers! 4th Place - Tim the plumber - The Drivel Queen! |
08-10-2015 20:11 | |
IBdaMann![]() (14949) |
trafn wrote: Congratulations! You have just reduced your position to one big ad hominem. It's amazing what you will consider to be clever, especially when it comes from another member of your church. Perhaps I'll never understand the sheer death-struggle to drive offending science away. I understand you need to try everything in the book, every ad homien, every evasive maneuver, etc.. but why the hate?! It's just science. Is it really that traumatic? I don't think i can [define it]. I just kind of get a feel for the phrase. - keepit A Spaghetti strainer with the faucet running, retains water- tmiddles Clouds don't trap heat. Clouds block cold. - Spongy Iris Printing dollars to pay debt doesn't increase the number of dollars. - keepit If Venus were a black body it would have a much much lower temperature than what we found there.- tmiddles Ah the "Valid Data" myth of ITN/IBD. - tmiddles Ceist - I couldn't agree with you more. But when money and religion are involved, and there are people who value them above all else, then the lies begin. - trafn You are completely misunderstanding their use of the word "accumulation"! - Climate Scientist. The Stefan-Boltzman equation doesn't come up with the correct temperature if greenhouse gases are not considered - Hank :*sigh* Not the "raw data" crap. - Leafsdude IB STILL hasn't explained what Planck's Law means. Just more hand waving that it applies to everything and more asserting that the greenhouse effect 'violates' it.- Ceist |
08-10-2015 20:11 | |
climate scientist★★☆☆☆ (257) |
NON-RESPONSE: please feel free to go sit in the corner! |
08-10-2015 20:13 | |
trafn![]() (779) |
NON-RESPONSE: please feel free to go sit in the corner! The 2015 M2C2 (Global 9/11) Denialist Troll Awards 1st Place - Jep Branner - Our Stupid Administrator! 2nd Place - IBdaMann - Science IS cherry picking! 3rd Place - Into the Night - Mr. Nonsense numbers! 4th Place - Tim the plumber - The Drivel Queen! |
08-10-2015 20:19 | |
IBdaMann![]() (14949) |
climate scientist wrote: I'm loving this Marxist solidarity thing. It says it all. Thanks. I don't think i can [define it]. I just kind of get a feel for the phrase. - keepit A Spaghetti strainer with the faucet running, retains water- tmiddles Clouds don't trap heat. Clouds block cold. - Spongy Iris Printing dollars to pay debt doesn't increase the number of dollars. - keepit If Venus were a black body it would have a much much lower temperature than what we found there.- tmiddles Ah the "Valid Data" myth of ITN/IBD. - tmiddles Ceist - I couldn't agree with you more. But when money and religion are involved, and there are people who value them above all else, then the lies begin. - trafn You are completely misunderstanding their use of the word "accumulation"! - Climate Scientist. The Stefan-Boltzman equation doesn't come up with the correct temperature if greenhouse gases are not considered - Hank :*sigh* Not the "raw data" crap. - Leafsdude IB STILL hasn't explained what Planck's Law means. Just more hand waving that it applies to everything and more asserting that the greenhouse effect 'violates' it.- Ceist |
08-10-2015 20:23 | |
trafn![]() (779) |
You are most welcome, Kemosabe!![]() The 2015 M2C2 (Global 9/11) Denialist Troll Awards 1st Place - Jep Branner - Our Stupid Administrator! 2nd Place - IBdaMann - Science IS cherry picking! 3rd Place - Into the Night - Mr. Nonsense numbers! 4th Place - Tim the plumber - The Drivel Queen! |
08-10-2015 20:26 | |
drm★☆☆☆☆ (67) |
trafn wrote:: |
08-10-2015 20:45 | |
IBdaMann![]() (14949) |
![]() I don't think i can [define it]. I just kind of get a feel for the phrase. - keepit A Spaghetti strainer with the faucet running, retains water- tmiddles Clouds don't trap heat. Clouds block cold. - Spongy Iris Printing dollars to pay debt doesn't increase the number of dollars. - keepit If Venus were a black body it would have a much much lower temperature than what we found there.- tmiddles Ah the "Valid Data" myth of ITN/IBD. - tmiddles Ceist - I couldn't agree with you more. But when money and religion are involved, and there are people who value them above all else, then the lies begin. - trafn You are completely misunderstanding their use of the word "accumulation"! - Climate Scientist. The Stefan-Boltzman equation doesn't come up with the correct temperature if greenhouse gases are not considered - Hank :*sigh* Not the "raw data" crap. - Leafsdude IB STILL hasn't explained what Planck's Law means. Just more hand waving that it applies to everything and more asserting that the greenhouse effect 'violates' it.- Ceist |
11-01-2020 23:19 | |
IBdaMann![]() (14949) |
Back in October of 2014 I asked for the Global Warming science. Spoiler alert: still nothing. This was the original post: IBdaMann wrote: Have there been any developments since then or is Global Warming still just a WACKY religion? . I don't think i can [define it]. I just kind of get a feel for the phrase. - keepit A Spaghetti strainer with the faucet running, retains water- tmiddles Clouds don't trap heat. Clouds block cold. - Spongy Iris Printing dollars to pay debt doesn't increase the number of dollars. - keepit If Venus were a black body it would have a much much lower temperature than what we found there.- tmiddles Ah the "Valid Data" myth of ITN/IBD. - tmiddles Ceist - I couldn't agree with you more. But when money and religion are involved, and there are people who value them above all else, then the lies begin. - trafn You are completely misunderstanding their use of the word "accumulation"! - Climate Scientist. The Stefan-Boltzman equation doesn't come up with the correct temperature if greenhouse gases are not considered - Hank :*sigh* Not the "raw data" crap. - Leafsdude IB STILL hasn't explained what Planck's Law means. Just more hand waving that it applies to everything and more asserting that the greenhouse effect 'violates' it.- Ceist |
14-01-2020 18:53 | |
IBdaMann![]() (14949) |
IBdaMann wrote:Have there been any developments since then or is Global Warming still just a WACKY religion? Got it. There is still no Global Warming science. I'm making note that specifically James__ and spot cannot identify any. . I don't think i can [define it]. I just kind of get a feel for the phrase. - keepit A Spaghetti strainer with the faucet running, retains water- tmiddles Clouds don't trap heat. Clouds block cold. - Spongy Iris Printing dollars to pay debt doesn't increase the number of dollars. - keepit If Venus were a black body it would have a much much lower temperature than what we found there.- tmiddles Ah the "Valid Data" myth of ITN/IBD. - tmiddles Ceist - I couldn't agree with you more. But when money and religion are involved, and there are people who value them above all else, then the lies begin. - trafn You are completely misunderstanding their use of the word "accumulation"! - Climate Scientist. The Stefan-Boltzman equation doesn't come up with the correct temperature if greenhouse gases are not considered - Hank :*sigh* Not the "raw data" crap. - Leafsdude IB STILL hasn't explained what Planck's Law means. Just more hand waving that it applies to everything and more asserting that the greenhouse effect 'violates' it.- Ceist |
15-01-2020 18:46 | |
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IBdaMann wrote: It is still a wacky religion that rejects logic, science, and mathematics. |
16-01-2020 01:30 | |
James___★★★★★ (5513) |
gfm7175 wrote:IBdaMann wrote: If you guys reject glacial retreat/melting, that's up to you guys. Kind of means that no discussion is possible. At some point people need to allow for reality. |
16-01-2020 01:39 | |
IBdaMann![]() (14949) |
James___ wrote: If you guys reject glacial retreat/melting, that's up to you guys. Kind of means that no discussion is possible. At some point people need to allow for reality. James__, I don't recall ANYONE denying that some glaciers are in retreat. The issue is your absurd denial of the glaciers that are growing and/or that are forming. If you are just going to deny reality then it kind of means that no discussion is possible. At some point people need to allow for reality. . I don't think i can [define it]. I just kind of get a feel for the phrase. - keepit A Spaghetti strainer with the faucet running, retains water- tmiddles Clouds don't trap heat. Clouds block cold. - Spongy Iris Printing dollars to pay debt doesn't increase the number of dollars. - keepit If Venus were a black body it would have a much much lower temperature than what we found there.- tmiddles Ah the "Valid Data" myth of ITN/IBD. - tmiddles Ceist - I couldn't agree with you more. But when money and religion are involved, and there are people who value them above all else, then the lies begin. - trafn You are completely misunderstanding their use of the word "accumulation"! - Climate Scientist. The Stefan-Boltzman equation doesn't come up with the correct temperature if greenhouse gases are not considered - Hank :*sigh* Not the "raw data" crap. - Leafsdude IB STILL hasn't explained what Planck's Law means. Just more hand waving that it applies to everything and more asserting that the greenhouse effect 'violates' it.- Ceist |
16-01-2020 13:13 | |
MarcusR![]() (111) |
IBdaMann wrote:James___ wrote: If you guys reject glacial retreat/melting, that's up to you guys. Kind of means that no discussion is possible. At some point people need to allow for reality. Good. Start here for some reality: https://www.climate-debate.com/forum/man-made-or-natural-d6-e2974-s120.php#post_50413 |
16-01-2020 17:38 | |
Into the Night![]() (22922) |
MarcusR wrote:IBdaMann wrote:James___ wrote: If you guys reject glacial retreat/melting, that's up to you guys. Kind of means that no discussion is possible. At some point people need to allow for reality. A Holy Link to your own bad math is not going to make it correct. Define 'real'. I know what it means. Do you? The Parrot Killer Debunked in my sig. - tmiddles Google keeps track of paranoid talk and i'm not on their list. I've been evaluated and certified. - keepit nuclear powered ships do not require nuclear fuel. - Swan While it is true that fossils do not burn it is also true that fossil fuels burn very well - Swan Edited on 16-01-2020 17:39 |
16-01-2020 17:49 | |
IBdaMann![]() (14949) |
MarcusR wrote:Good. Start here for some reality: Good, start here for some mythology: http://politiplex.freeforums.net/post/2 Start here for the foundational dogma: http://politiplex.freeforums.net/thread/18/text-communist-manifesto-english-version . I don't think i can [define it]. I just kind of get a feel for the phrase. - keepit A Spaghetti strainer with the faucet running, retains water- tmiddles Clouds don't trap heat. Clouds block cold. - Spongy Iris Printing dollars to pay debt doesn't increase the number of dollars. - keepit If Venus were a black body it would have a much much lower temperature than what we found there.- tmiddles Ah the "Valid Data" myth of ITN/IBD. - tmiddles Ceist - I couldn't agree with you more. But when money and religion are involved, and there are people who value them above all else, then the lies begin. - trafn You are completely misunderstanding their use of the word "accumulation"! - Climate Scientist. The Stefan-Boltzman equation doesn't come up with the correct temperature if greenhouse gases are not considered - Hank :*sigh* Not the "raw data" crap. - Leafsdude IB STILL hasn't explained what Planck's Law means. Just more hand waving that it applies to everything and more asserting that the greenhouse effect 'violates' it.- Ceist |
16-01-2020 17:52 | |
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Into the Night wrote: Just go over to that thread so we keep the thread at least a bit on topic. The math I refered to is from a standard book regarding atmospheric radiation. You can get the book here: https://www.amazon.com/First-Course-Atmospheric-Radiation-2nd/dp/0972903313 |
16-01-2020 17:57 | |
IBdaMann![]() (14949) |
MarcusR wrote: The math I refered to is from a standard book regarding atmospheric radiation. That's stupid. Use your own words. To the best of your understanding, how does the earth's average global temperature supposedly increase? If you don't understand yourself then why do you believe it? If you do understand it then just post your understanding here. No math is required at this point. . I don't think i can [define it]. I just kind of get a feel for the phrase. - keepit A Spaghetti strainer with the faucet running, retains water- tmiddles Clouds don't trap heat. Clouds block cold. - Spongy Iris Printing dollars to pay debt doesn't increase the number of dollars. - keepit If Venus were a black body it would have a much much lower temperature than what we found there.- tmiddles Ah the "Valid Data" myth of ITN/IBD. - tmiddles Ceist - I couldn't agree with you more. But when money and religion are involved, and there are people who value them above all else, then the lies begin. - trafn You are completely misunderstanding their use of the word "accumulation"! - Climate Scientist. The Stefan-Boltzman equation doesn't come up with the correct temperature if greenhouse gases are not considered - Hank :*sigh* Not the "raw data" crap. - Leafsdude IB STILL hasn't explained what Planck's Law means. Just more hand waving that it applies to everything and more asserting that the greenhouse effect 'violates' it.- Ceist |
16-01-2020 18:09 | |
MarcusR![]() (111) |
IBdaMann wrote:MarcusR wrote: The math I refered to is from a standard book regarding atmospheric radiation. By simply not emitting all the energy we receive from the sun out to space. That is what GHG's do. They do not "create" energy, which you implied. The math I refered is is still from Petty's book and the pictures are taken directly from it. Why don't you buy it ? It is a good read ! |
16-01-2020 18:46 | |
Into the Night![]() (22922) |
MarcusR wrote:IBdaMann wrote:MarcusR wrote: The math I refered to is from a standard book regarding atmospheric radiation. That is in direct violation of the Stefan-Boltzmann law and the 2nd law of thermodynamics. You cannot reduce the radiance of Earth and increase its temperature at the same time. You cannot reduce entropy in any system. MarcusR wrote: You cannot use this book to violate these laws. MarcusR wrote: Apparently not. I won't waste the money or the time to read it. False authority fallacy. The Parrot Killer Debunked in my sig. - tmiddles Google keeps track of paranoid talk and i'm not on their list. I've been evaluated and certified. - keepit nuclear powered ships do not require nuclear fuel. - Swan While it is true that fossils do not burn it is also true that fossil fuels burn very well - Swan |
16-01-2020 19:07 | |
IBdaMann![]() (14949) |
MarcusR wrote: By simply not emitting all the energy we receive from the sun out to space. This is an egregious violation of Stefan-Boltzmann. Dismissed. The only way to reduce the earth's radiance (energy emitted to space) is to reduce its temperature. MarcusR wrote: That is what GHG's do. They do not "create" energy, which you implied. You have successfully completed your pivot from violating thermodynamics to violating Stefan-Boltzmann. . I don't think i can [define it]. I just kind of get a feel for the phrase. - keepit A Spaghetti strainer with the faucet running, retains water- tmiddles Clouds don't trap heat. Clouds block cold. - Spongy Iris Printing dollars to pay debt doesn't increase the number of dollars. - keepit If Venus were a black body it would have a much much lower temperature than what we found there.- tmiddles Ah the "Valid Data" myth of ITN/IBD. - tmiddles Ceist - I couldn't agree with you more. But when money and religion are involved, and there are people who value them above all else, then the lies begin. - trafn You are completely misunderstanding their use of the word "accumulation"! - Climate Scientist. The Stefan-Boltzman equation doesn't come up with the correct temperature if greenhouse gases are not considered - Hank :*sigh* Not the "raw data" crap. - Leafsdude IB STILL hasn't explained what Planck's Law means. Just more hand waving that it applies to everything and more asserting that the greenhouse effect 'violates' it.- Ceist |
16-01-2020 21:51 | |
MarcusR![]() (111) |
IBdaMann wrote: SB only states that the theoretical maximum amount of total broadband radiation that can be emitted by an object is proportional to the fourth-power of its absolute temperature. Nothing more - nothing less. You can not apply a physical law to an area where it is not applicable. |
16-01-2020 23:29 | |
Into the Night![]() (22922) |
MarcusR wrote:IBdaMann wrote: WRONG. It does NOT state the maximum radiance or any 'theoretical' value. It does not use a bandwidth at all. There is no frequency term in the Stefan-Boltzmann law. It allows you to calculate the radiance (of all frequencies of light combined) of a surface at a given temperature. MarcusR wrote: It is applicable to all matter, all the time, everywhere. The Parrot Killer Debunked in my sig. - tmiddles Google keeps track of paranoid talk and i'm not on their list. I've been evaluated and certified. - keepit nuclear powered ships do not require nuclear fuel. - Swan While it is true that fossils do not burn it is also true that fossil fuels burn very well - Swan |
17-01-2020 11:10 | |
CzarnyZajaczek☆☆☆☆☆ (23) |
Very simplistic explanation of basic mechanism of global warming: here |
17-01-2020 12:14 | |
MarcusR![]() (111) |
Into the Night wrote:MarcusR wrote:IBdaMann wrote: Read what I wrote: SB only states that the theoretical maximum amount of total broadband radiation that can be emitted by an object is proportional to the fourth-power of its absolute temperature. "Maximum amount of total bredband radiation" ! So, lets see where the SB- law comes from ? SB is obtained by integrating Planck' s function over all possible wavelengths. Here is Planck' s function with wavelength (lambda) https://ibb.co/0n8PQ7c And here is how the SB law is derived from that: https://ibb.co/rfhz7HW So exactly what was your point ? SB still is what it is, and does not in any way describe how EM propagates in the atmosphere, or any other medium for that matter. See the other equations I posted for that. |
17-01-2020 16:46 | |
IBdaMann![]() (14949) |
MarcusR wrote: Read what I wrote: Read what I write. MarcusR wrote: SB only states that the theoretical maximum amount of total broadband radiation that can be emitted by an object is proportional to the fourth-power of its absolute temperature. Incorrect. Stefan-Boltzmann predicts the exact radiance of matter given its temperature. I have to ask if you have dyslexia or some other reading impediment. Did you not notice the word "broadband"? How did you not immediately know that something was terribly wrong? Stefan-Boltzmann has no frequency term. Stefan-Boltzmann doesn't deal in broadband communications. Yet you blindly copy pasted what you considered to be your best guess at sounding knowledgable and smart. MarcusR wrote: You're not likely to get it right by guessing from amongst misinformation of various warmizombie sites. . I don't think i can [define it]. I just kind of get a feel for the phrase. - keepit A Spaghetti strainer with the faucet running, retains water- tmiddles Clouds don't trap heat. Clouds block cold. - Spongy Iris Printing dollars to pay debt doesn't increase the number of dollars. - keepit If Venus were a black body it would have a much much lower temperature than what we found there.- tmiddles Ah the "Valid Data" myth of ITN/IBD. - tmiddles Ceist - I couldn't agree with you more. But when money and religion are involved, and there are people who value them above all else, then the lies begin. - trafn You are completely misunderstanding their use of the word "accumulation"! - Climate Scientist. The Stefan-Boltzman equation doesn't come up with the correct temperature if greenhouse gases are not considered - Hank :*sigh* Not the "raw data" crap. - Leafsdude IB STILL hasn't explained what Planck's Law means. Just more hand waving that it applies to everything and more asserting that the greenhouse effect 'violates' it.- Ceist |
17-01-2020 19:05 | |
Into the Night![]() (22922) |
CzarnyZajaczek wrote: Yet another example of ignoring the 2nd law of thermodynamics and the Stefan-Boltzmann law. You can't heat the surface using a colder gas. Heat never flows from cold to hot. You can't reduce the radiance of Earth and increase its temperature at the same time. The Parrot Killer Debunked in my sig. - tmiddles Google keeps track of paranoid talk and i'm not on their list. I've been evaluated and certified. - keepit nuclear powered ships do not require nuclear fuel. - Swan While it is true that fossils do not burn it is also true that fossil fuels burn very well - Swan |
17-01-2020 19:08 | |
Into the Night![]() (22922) |
MarcusR wrote:Into the Night wrote:MarcusR wrote:IBdaMann wrote: There is no 'maximum amount'. There is no limit of any kind described. Then you completely ignore the law to wander into canceling it with your wacky discussions about 'EM propagation'. The Parrot Killer Debunked in my sig. - tmiddles Google keeps track of paranoid talk and i'm not on their list. I've been evaluated and certified. - keepit nuclear powered ships do not require nuclear fuel. - Swan While it is true that fossils do not burn it is also true that fossil fuels burn very well - Swan |
17-01-2020 19:10 | |
IBdaMann![]() (14949) |
CzarnyZajaczek wrote: A very simple violation of the 1st law of thermodynamics here: . I don't think i can [define it]. I just kind of get a feel for the phrase. - keepit A Spaghetti strainer with the faucet running, retains water- tmiddles Clouds don't trap heat. Clouds block cold. - Spongy Iris Printing dollars to pay debt doesn't increase the number of dollars. - keepit If Venus were a black body it would have a much much lower temperature than what we found there.- tmiddles Ah the "Valid Data" myth of ITN/IBD. - tmiddles Ceist - I couldn't agree with you more. But when money and religion are involved, and there are people who value them above all else, then the lies begin. - trafn You are completely misunderstanding their use of the word "accumulation"! - Climate Scientist. The Stefan-Boltzman equation doesn't come up with the correct temperature if greenhouse gases are not considered - Hank :*sigh* Not the "raw data" crap. - Leafsdude IB STILL hasn't explained what Planck's Law means. Just more hand waving that it applies to everything and more asserting that the greenhouse effect 'violates' it.- Ceist |
17-01-2020 20:08 | |
CzarnyZajaczek☆☆☆☆☆ (23) |
IBdaMann wrote:CzarnyZajaczek wrote: How analysing path of photons violates any law of thermodynamics? |
17-01-2020 20:33 | |
IBdaMann![]() (14949) |
CzarnyZajaczek wrote:IBdaMann wrote: How is creating additional energy by changing form somehow NOT a violation of thermodynamics? . I don't think i can [define it]. I just kind of get a feel for the phrase. - keepit A Spaghetti strainer with the faucet running, retains water- tmiddles Clouds don't trap heat. Clouds block cold. - Spongy Iris Printing dollars to pay debt doesn't increase the number of dollars. - keepit If Venus were a black body it would have a much much lower temperature than what we found there.- tmiddles Ah the "Valid Data" myth of ITN/IBD. - tmiddles Ceist - I couldn't agree with you more. But when money and religion are involved, and there are people who value them above all else, then the lies begin. - trafn You are completely misunderstanding their use of the word "accumulation"! - Climate Scientist. The Stefan-Boltzman equation doesn't come up with the correct temperature if greenhouse gases are not considered - Hank :*sigh* Not the "raw data" crap. - Leafsdude IB STILL hasn't explained what Planck's Law means. Just more hand waving that it applies to everything and more asserting that the greenhouse effect 'violates' it.- Ceist |
17-01-2020 21:22 | |
CzarnyZajaczek☆☆☆☆☆ (23) |
IBdaMann wrote:CzarnyZajaczek wrote:IBdaMann wrote: Where you've seen "creating additional energy" in my pdf? |
17-01-2020 21:42 | |
Harry C![]() (157) |
CzarnyZajaczek wrote:IBdaMann wrote:CzarnyZajaczek wrote:IBdaMann wrote: What's more scary is that you don't see it. You learn something new every day if you are lucky! |
17-01-2020 22:38 | |
CzarnyZajaczek☆☆☆☆☆ (23) |
Harry C wrote:CzarnyZajaczek wrote:IBdaMann wrote:CzarnyZajaczek wrote:IBdaMann wrote: So where it is exactly? |
17-01-2020 22:52 | |
IBdaMann![]() (14949) |
CzarnyZajaczek wrote:Harry C wrote:CzarnyZajaczek wrote:IBdaMann wrote:CzarnyZajaczek wrote:IBdaMann wrote: Does the earth's average temperature increase as a result of the photons being absorbed, being converted into thermal energy which is then radiated as photons, etc..? . I don't think i can [define it]. I just kind of get a feel for the phrase. - keepit A Spaghetti strainer with the faucet running, retains water- tmiddles Clouds don't trap heat. Clouds block cold. - Spongy Iris Printing dollars to pay debt doesn't increase the number of dollars. - keepit If Venus were a black body it would have a much much lower temperature than what we found there.- tmiddles Ah the "Valid Data" myth of ITN/IBD. - tmiddles Ceist - I couldn't agree with you more. But when money and religion are involved, and there are people who value them above all else, then the lies begin. - trafn You are completely misunderstanding their use of the word "accumulation"! - Climate Scientist. The Stefan-Boltzman equation doesn't come up with the correct temperature if greenhouse gases are not considered - Hank :*sigh* Not the "raw data" crap. - Leafsdude IB STILL hasn't explained what Planck's Law means. Just more hand waving that it applies to everything and more asserting that the greenhouse effect 'violates' it.- Ceist |
17-01-2020 23:15 | |
CzarnyZajaczek☆☆☆☆☆ (23) |
IBdaMann wrote:CzarnyZajaczek wrote:Harry C wrote:CzarnyZajaczek wrote:IBdaMann wrote:CzarnyZajaczek wrote:IBdaMann wrote: I've just posted explanation. CO2 changes flow path of thermal energy. Change in flow path of thermal energy always results in change of temperature, according to thermodynamics. |
17-01-2020 23:18 | |
Into the Night![]() (22922) |
CzarnyZajaczek wrote:IBdaMann wrote:CzarnyZajaczek wrote:Harry C wrote:CzarnyZajaczek wrote:IBdaMann wrote:CzarnyZajaczek wrote:IBdaMann wrote: Not according to Kirchoff's law. Flow path is irrelevant. You are attempting to create energy out of nothing. The Parrot Killer Debunked in my sig. - tmiddles Google keeps track of paranoid talk and i'm not on their list. I've been evaluated and certified. - keepit nuclear powered ships do not require nuclear fuel. - Swan While it is true that fossils do not burn it is also true that fossil fuels burn very well - Swan |
17-01-2020 23:30 | |
IBdaMann![]() (14949) |
CzarnyZajaczek wrote:IBdaMann wrote: So your answer to my question is yes, the earth's average temperature increases as a result of the photons being absorbed, being converted into thermal energy which is then radiated as photons, etc.. Temperature can only increase with additional energy. Nothing spontaneously increases in temperature without additional energy. When you say that greenhouse gases increase the earth's temperature you are saying that greehouse gases produce additional energy. Unfortunately, thermodynamics tells us that energy can neither be created nor destroyed, i.e. no substance, not even greenhouse gases, can somehow produce additional energy. Ergo, only through violating thermodynamics can your current Greenhouse Effect model work. This is the point where you shout "No one is saying that greenhouse gases produces additional energy!" ... and you pivot to violating Stefan-Boltzmann. I'm ready anytime you are. . I don't think i can [define it]. I just kind of get a feel for the phrase. - keepit A Spaghetti strainer with the faucet running, retains water- tmiddles Clouds don't trap heat. Clouds block cold. - Spongy Iris Printing dollars to pay debt doesn't increase the number of dollars. - keepit If Venus were a black body it would have a much much lower temperature than what we found there.- tmiddles Ah the "Valid Data" myth of ITN/IBD. - tmiddles Ceist - I couldn't agree with you more. But when money and religion are involved, and there are people who value them above all else, then the lies begin. - trafn You are completely misunderstanding their use of the word "accumulation"! - Climate Scientist. The Stefan-Boltzman equation doesn't come up with the correct temperature if greenhouse gases are not considered - Hank :*sigh* Not the "raw data" crap. - Leafsdude IB STILL hasn't explained what Planck's Law means. Just more hand waving that it applies to everything and more asserting that the greenhouse effect 'violates' it.- Ceist |
17-01-2020 23:36 | |
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IBdaMann wrote:CzarnyZajaczek wrote:IBdaMann wrote: Solar radiation when it arrives to Earth surface, contains fotons travelling roughly parallel to each other. So each incoming photon from Sun has the same path length through atmosphere, and the same probability of being absorbed by CO2. Thermal radiation from Earth surface is chaotic, and is roughly equal in all directions. Large part of these thermal radiation photons runs in direction other than perpendicular to Earth surface, so they have longer path through atmosphere, and have higher overall probability being absorbed by CO2. So larger part of thermal radiation from surface is absorbed by atmospheric CO2 than absorption of incoming solar radiation. |
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