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The Sun, not CO2, is the driver of temperature


The Sun, not CO2, is the driver of temperature25-12-2015 15:18
Tai Hai Chen
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Alarmists point to Gore's chart and say high CO2 causes high temperature, low CO2 causes low temperature. One simple question suffices to defeat their argument. Let's say high CO2 causes low temperature to become high temperature. Then what? Why would high temperature then become low temperature? The answer must be the Sun.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-JIuKjaY3r4
Edited on 25-12-2015 15:48
25-12-2015 16:23
Tai Hai Chen
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Here is a recent occurrence of that silliness.

http://www.rappler.com/science-nature/environment/103390-study-c02-melted-ice-age-glaciers
26-12-2015 04:25
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Tai Hai Chen wrote:
Here is a recent occurrence of that silliness.

http://www.rappler.com/science-nature/environment/103390-study-c02-melted-ice-age-glaciers


As long as the 1st Law of Thermodynamics is in effect, no atmospheric gas can create heat.

As long as temperature is the driver for thermal radiation, no atmospheric gas can modify temperature by regulating thermal radiation.


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A Spaghetti strainer with the faucet running, retains water- tmiddles

Clouds don't trap heat. Clouds block cold. - Spongy Iris

Printing dollars to pay debt doesn't increase the number of dollars. - keepit

If Venus were a black body it would have a much much lower temperature than what we found there.- tmiddles

Ah the "Valid Data" myth of ITN/IBD. - tmiddles

Ceist - I couldn't agree with you more. But when money and religion are involved, and there are people who value them above all else, then the lies begin. - trafn

You are completely misunderstanding their use of the word "accumulation"! - Climate Scientist.

The Stefan-Boltzman equation doesn't come up with the correct temperature if greenhouse gases are not considered - Hank

:*sigh* Not the "raw data" crap. - Leafsdude

IB STILL hasn't explained what Planck's Law means. Just more hand waving that it applies to everything and more asserting that the greenhouse effect 'violates' it.- Ceist
26-12-2015 04:36
Tai Hai Chen
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IBdaMann wrote:
Tai Hai Chen wrote:
Here is a recent occurrence of that silliness.

http://www.rappler.com/science-nature/environment/103390-study-c02-melted-ice-age-glaciers


As long as the 1st Law of Thermodynamics is in effect, no atmospheric gas can create heat.

As long as temperature is the driver for thermal radiation, no atmospheric gas can modify temperature by regulating thermal radiation.


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You mean air don't have heat?
26-12-2015 06:19
IBdaMannProfile picture★★★★★
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Tai Hai Chen wrote:You mean air don't have heat?

That's not what I said.


A Spaghetti strainer with the faucet running, retains water- tmiddles

Clouds don't trap heat. Clouds block cold. - Spongy Iris

Printing dollars to pay debt doesn't increase the number of dollars. - keepit

If Venus were a black body it would have a much much lower temperature than what we found there.- tmiddles

Ah the "Valid Data" myth of ITN/IBD. - tmiddles

Ceist - I couldn't agree with you more. But when money and religion are involved, and there are people who value them above all else, then the lies begin. - trafn

You are completely misunderstanding their use of the word "accumulation"! - Climate Scientist.

The Stefan-Boltzman equation doesn't come up with the correct temperature if greenhouse gases are not considered - Hank

:*sigh* Not the "raw data" crap. - Leafsdude

IB STILL hasn't explained what Planck's Law means. Just more hand waving that it applies to everything and more asserting that the greenhouse effect 'violates' it.- Ceist




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