The source of energy is evaporation-condensation

MonteCristo wrote:
Entropy remains unchanged. There are no contradictions here.

RenaissanceMan wrote:

MonteCristo wrote:
Entropy remains unchanged. There are no contradictions here.

Riiiiight. Build one and put it in your car. That should be easy for someone as smart as you.

Into the Night wrote:

RenaissanceMan wrote:

MonteCristo wrote:
Entropy remains unchanged. There are no contradictions here.

Riiiiight. Build one and put it in your car. That should be easy for someone as smart as you.

Quite right. He is apparently unaware that for any engine to run, entropy must increase.

James___ wrote:

Into the Night wrote:

RenaissanceMan wrote:

MonteCristo wrote:
Entropy remains unchanged. There are no contradictions here.

Riiiiight. Build one and put it in your car. That should be easy for someone as smart as you.

Quite right. He is apparently unaware that for any engine to run, entropy must increase.

...I can see that "итн, Thread Killer" is at it again.
..Enthalpy is "conserved energy". If energy is used for work then it is not conserved.

James___ wrote:
What is conserved energy?

James___ wrote:
The KE of a system or particle that remains at a constant level. An example of this is it's KE is the same after an event as it was before it.

James___ wrote:
..As far as energy goes, there is https://www.iter.org/. They would be getting more energy from fusion than what it takes to cause fusion to happen. They have demonstrated this at universities but haven't quite got the temperature low enough to be safe. And in this instance their is no entropy.

James___ wrote:
..Not sure итн, now it's going to seem like I'm picking on you when I'm not. It's that you're not getting your facts straight.

James___ wrote:
If scientists who work on this technology can improve on what they're doing then one day cars might have a Фuзion Зngиn (fusion engine).

Into the Night wrote:

James___ wrote:

Into the Night wrote:

RenaissanceMan wrote:

MonteCristo wrote:
Entropy remains unchanged. There are no contradictions here.

Riiiiight. Build one and put it in your car. That should be easy for someone as smart as you.

Quite right. He is apparently unaware that for any engine to run, entropy must increase.

...I can see that "итн, Thread Killer" is at it again.
..Enthalpy is "conserved energy". If energy is used for work then it is not conserved.

WRONG. The same energy is still there, even after the work has been performed. The only difference is that it's dissipated or changed form or both.

James___ wrote:
What is conserved energy?

It is not possible to destroy or create energy.

James___ wrote:

Into the Night wrote:

James___ wrote:

Into the Night wrote:

RenaissanceMan wrote:

MonteCristo wrote:
Entropy remains unchanged. There are no contradictions here.

Riiiiight. Build one and put it in your car. That should be easy for someone as smart as you.

Quite right. He is apparently unaware that for any engine to run, entropy must increase.

...I can see that "итн, Thread Killer" is at it again.
..Enthalpy is "conserved energy". If energy is used for work then it is not conserved.

WRONG. The same energy is still there, even after the work has been performed. The only difference is that it's dissipated or changed form or both.

James___ wrote:
What is conserved energy?

It is not possible to destroy or create energy.

..Didn't mention anything about creating or destroying energy.

James___ wrote:
Can you show where I said that ?

James___ wrote:
..And where you said I am wrong in capital letters, the reality is that you are wrong. You're belief that you are right only makes you right in the sense that you believe you are right.

James___ wrote:
..Have to wonder though why you're here. Just need to troll people ? That's what it seems to me. Then again you are Jamaican Seattle. That means you're doing the Bob Marley thing in Seattle.

James___ wrote:
@All,
Conserved energy is something that after an event returns to the KE as before the event. This also describes enthalpy, the KE necessary to exist.

Into the Night wrote:

James___ wrote:
@All,
Conserved energy is something that after an event returns to the KE as before the event. This also describes enthalpy, the KE necessary to exist.

Nope. All energy is conserved. Not necessarily as kinetic energy.

James___ wrote:

Into the Night wrote:

James___ wrote:
@All,
Conserved energy is something that after an event returns to the KE as before the event. This also describes enthalpy, the KE necessary to exist.

Nope. All energy is conserved. Not necessarily as kinetic energy.

..A "Classic Case" of fallacy inversion.

James___ wrote:
All energy is KE, even something at rest.

James___ wrote:
This is because something at rest still exists.

James___ wrote:
In Atmospheric Chemistry it could be argued that when it gets cold at night that the KE that gasses have according to Boltzmann's Ideal Gas Law

James___ wrote:
is an example of Conserved Energy.

James___ wrote:
...I'll give y'all an example of Conserved Enery. If it's 86° F./ 30 ° C. during the day then cools to 68° F./ 20° C. at night then to warm the atmosphere back to 86° F. / 30° C., it will take only 9.8 m^3 which if memory serves me right 9.8 w/m^2 * 18 = 154 w/m^2..
That's about 1/10th of the solar constant.

Into the Night wrote:

James___ wrote:
...I'll give y'all an example of Conserved Enery. If it's 86° F./ 30 ° C. during the day then cools to 68° F./ 20° C. at night then to warm the atmosphere back to 86° F. / 30° C., it will take only 9.8 m^3 which if memory serves me right 9.8 w/m^2 * 18 = 154 w/m^2..
That's about 1/10th of the solar constant.

WRONG. Earth radiates energy into space at all times, day and night. That energy is dissipated across space, but it still exists.

Argument from randU. You don't know the emissivity of Earth. You are just making up numbers again.

James___ wrote:

Into the Night wrote:

James___ wrote:
...I'll give y'all an example of Conserved Enery. If it's 86° F./ 30 ° C. during the day then cools to 68° F./ 20° C. at night then to warm the atmosphere back to 86° F. / 30° C., it will take only 9.8 m^3 which if memory serves me right 9.8 w/m^2 * 18 = 154 w/m^2..
That's about 1/10th of the solar constant.

WRONG. Earth radiates energy into space at all times, day and night. That energy is dissipated across space, but it still exists.

Argument from randU. You don't know the emissivity of Earth. You are just making up numbers again.

...итн,
..Could you please sober up some ? You're starting to sound like wake.

James___ wrote:
The next thing I know you'll start saying how you hate Europeans.

James___ wrote:
After all they did bring science to the Americas, right ?

James___ wrote:
...All,
..With the debate about climate change it's not known how much energy atmospheric gasses can conserve.

James___ wrote:
This includes nitrogen (N2) as well.

James___ wrote:
What might be ignored is that while the earth's electromagnetic field allows for both the inner and outer radiation belts, it might also be responsible for both the tropopause and the mesopause.

James___ wrote:
The Van Allen radiation belts could be an equal but opposite effect.

James___ wrote:
Kind of going with Einstein on this one.

James___ wrote:
I think Newton said the same thing;

James___ wrote:
Newton's 3rd law of motion might apply to this situation;
What happens to the body from which that external force is being applied? That situation is described by Newton's Third Law of Motion. It states, "For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction."

James___ wrote:
..With how our (the Earth's) electromagnetic field can allow for an area of hotter temperatures than on Earth, why would it be surprising if it created a "vacuum seal" to trap heat in our atmosphere ?

James___ wrote:
..And what does this all mean ?

James___ wrote:
There's a lot we don't know.

James___ wrote:
... Yep, nothing like trolling STONED is there itn ? Just nothing for you to say except for your use of empty buzzwords ad nauseum such as it isn't, no it's not, they don't, it doesn't either, etc.
..If you knew anything about science then you would give a brief explanation of "why" but you've always refused to do so.


..itn,
.There is something I could've posted but would not want to discuss actual science with you being involved in the discussion. You should be banned but doubt that will ever happen.

James___ wrote:

James___ wrote:
... Yep, nothing like trolling STONED is there itn ? Just nothing for you to say except for your use of empty buzzwords ad nauseum such as it isn't, no it's not, they don't, it doesn't either, etc.
..If you knew anything about science then you would give a brief explanation of "why" but you've always refused to do so.


..itn,
.There is something I could've posted but would not want to discuss actual science with you being involved in the discussion. You should be banned but doubt that will ever happen.

...@All,
..It'd be easy enough to calculate the KE of atmospheric gasses during the day at a given hour such as 4:00 p.m. and then do the same for 4:00 am. The difference in KE is the amount of energy in w/m^2 needed to warm our atmosphere to the same temperature as the day before.
..We could also do the same with the temperature of the ground about 6 inches / 15 cm's and 12 inches / 30 cm's deep. This could help to show how much influence the ground has on the w/m^2 in our atmosphere.

James___ wrote:
..This is because the ground will absorb some solar radiation and then emit some as well. Of course trying to do something like that in here would only provide temptation for itn to keep trolling.

James___ wrote:
..I think he calls himself a "parrot killer" because he will go after anyone who supports climate change in any form.

Into the Night wrote:

James___ wrote:
..I think he calls himself a "parrot killer" because he will go after anyone who supports climate change in any form.

That's right. I am utterly against the Church of Global Warming. It denies science and mathematics and is trying to establish itself as the state religion.

James___ wrote:

Into the Night wrote:

James___ wrote:
..I think he calls himself a "parrot killer" because he will go after anyone who supports climate change in any form.

That's right. I am utterly against the Church of Global Warming. It denies science and mathematics and is trying to establish itself as the state religion.

...итн,
..You are a living FALLACY INVERSION. You spam and troll more than litesong ever did. You debate nothing but just push your logic. In all of reality you are a LEGEND IN YOUR OWN MIND. That's all you have. Like your name states, into the abyss of nothingness. For all I know you're sniffing paint fumes.

...What I don't understand is why you're not out promoting how Native Americans lived before Europeans arrived. You could ask for reservations to be stocked with game and have a source of fresh water. That is very much possible but no Native Americans ask for it. You can be the First. That would show us losers just how good a life with no technology is. You know, even more limited than the Amish.
..The Amish live their beliefs the best they can. Yet Native Americans want "their" land back so they can live as their ancestors did before 1492. They haven't shown a willingness to live it if game is provided for them.
..And yet all you have is trolling this forum because ? That's because that is the type of person that you are, Vindictive.

James___ wrote:
...итн,
..You do need to allow for some debate.

James___ wrote:
You also need to consider that nature doesn't need you, it will do what nature wants.

James___ wrote:
You need to quit rejecting science.

James___ wrote:
People like you used to believe the Earth was flat.
It isn't. People like you also believed that the Earth was the center of the universe. It isn't.

James___ wrote:
With climate change, I think we're only beginning to understand it.

James___ wrote:
It could be important to get it right. But you have no interest in understanding it.

James___ wrote:
That's where your problem begins.

Into the Night wrote:

James___ wrote:

Into the Night wrote:

James___ wrote:
..I think he calls himself a "parrot killer" because he will go after anyone who supports climate change in any form.

That's right. I am utterly against the Church of Global Warming. It denies science and mathematics and is trying to establish itself as the state religion.

...итн,
..You are a living FALLACY INVERSION. You spam and troll more than litesong ever did. You debate nothing but just push your logic. In all of reality you are a LEGEND IN YOUR OWN MIND. That's all you have. Like your name states, into the abyss of nothingness. For all I know you're sniffing paint fumes.

...What I don't understand is why you're not out promoting how Native Americans lived before Europeans arrived. You could ask for reservations to be stocked with game and have a source of fresh water. That is very much possible but no Native Americans ask for it. You can be the First. That would show us losers just how good a life with no technology is. You know, even more limited than the Amish.
..The Amish live their beliefs the best they can. Yet Native Americans want "their" land back so they can live as their ancestors did before 1492. They haven't shown a willingness to live it if game is provided for them.
..And yet all you have is trolling this forum because ? That's because that is the type of person that you are, Vindictive.

Insult fallacy. Lies. Redirection fallacy. Racism. Bulverism fallacy.

James___ wrote:

Into the Night wrote:

James___ wrote:

Into the Night wrote:

James___ wrote:
..I think he calls himself a "parrot killer" because he will go after anyone who supports climate change in any form.

That's right. I am utterly against the Church of Global Warming. It denies science and mathematics and is trying to establish itself as the state religion.

...итн,
..You are a living FALLACY INVERSION. You spam and troll more than litesong ever did. You debate nothing but just push your logic. In all of reality you are a LEGEND IN YOUR OWN MIND. That's all you have. Like your name states, into the abyss of nothingness. For all I know you're sniffing paint fumes.

...What I don't understand is why you're not out promoting how Native Americans lived before Europeans arrived. You could ask for reservations to be stocked with game and have a source of fresh water. That is very much possible but no Native Americans ask for it. You can be the First. That would show us losers just how good a life with no technology is. You know, even more limited than the Amish.
..The Amish live their beliefs the best they can. Yet Native Americans want "their" land back so they can live as their ancestors did before 1492. They haven't shown a willingness to live it if game is provided for them.
..And yet all you have is trolling this forum because ? That's because that is the type of person that you are, Vindictive.

Insult fallacy. Lies. Redirection fallacy. Racism. Bulverism fallacy.

......итн,
..It's not racism.

James___ wrote:
The U.S. Supreme Court has rulings that make it known that if a person or people do not try then they cannot be aggrieved. And with the Amish, maybe some Native Americans could learn from them. As I mentioned, if a source of fresh water were made available then who knows, some Native Americans might like having the opportunity to live as their ancestors did.
..If so then they might be more open to modern living. It might help them to feel better about the situation that they're in.

James___ wrote:
..At no time what I said was racist.

James___ wrote:
You might be. It's possible that you're hiding behind climate change. You try to disrupt any discussion on the subject.

Into the Night wrote:

James___ wrote:

Into the Night wrote:

James___ wrote:

Into the Night wrote:

James___ wrote:
..I think he calls himself a "parrot killer" because he will go after anyone who supports climate change in any form.

That's right. I am utterly against the Church of Global Warming. It denies science and mathematics and is trying to establish itself as the state religion.

...итн,
..You are a living FALLACY INVERSION. You spam and troll more than litesong ever did. You debate nothing but just push your logic. In all of reality you are a LEGEND IN YOUR OWN MIND. That's all you have. Like your name states, into the abyss of nothingness. For all I know you're sniffing paint fumes.

...What I don't understand is why you're not out promoting how Native Americans lived before Europeans arrived. You could ask for reservations to be stocked with game and have a source of fresh water. That is very much possible but no Native Americans ask for it. You can be the First. That would show us losers just how good a life with no technology is. You know, even more limited than the Amish.
..The Amish live their beliefs the best they can. Yet Native Americans want "their" land back so they can live as their ancestors did before 1492. They haven't shown a willingness to live it if game is provided for them.
..And yet all you have is trolling this forum because ? That's because that is the type of person that you are, Vindictive.

Insult fallacy. Lies. Redirection fallacy. Racism. Bulverism fallacy.

......итн,
..It's not racism.

Yes it is.

James___ wrote:
The U.S. Supreme Court has rulings that make it known that if a person or people do not try then they cannot be aggrieved. And with the Amish, maybe some Native Americans could learn from them. As I mentioned, if a source of fresh water were made available then who knows, some Native Americans might like having the opportunity to live as their ancestors did.
..If so then they might be more open to modern living. It might help them to feel better about the situation that they're in.

Racism again.

James___ wrote:
..At no time what I said was racist.

Yes it is.

James___ wrote:
You might be. It's possible that you're hiding behind climate change. You try to disrupt any discussion on the subject.

You are no discussing climate change. You are completely off topic from anything this forum is designed for. Discussion on this topic ends here.

James___ wrote:
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Into the Night wrote:

James___ wrote:
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Please stay on the topics this forum is designated for.

James___ wrote:
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Into the Night wrote:

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Please stay on the topics this forum is designated for.

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Into the Night wrote:

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Please stick to the topics this forum was designed for.

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James___ wrote:

Into the Night wrote:

James___ wrote:
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Please stick to the topics this forum was designed for.

...Please explain why you called me a racist.

Into the Night wrote:

James___ wrote:

Into the Night wrote:

James___ wrote:
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Please stick to the topics this forum was designed for.

...Please explain why you called me a racist.

You made a compositional error fallacy involving people as the class and genetic trait as the property.That form of this fallacy is called 'racism'.

James___ wrote:

Into the Night wrote:

James___ wrote:

Into the Night wrote:

James___ wrote:
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Please stick to the topics this forum was designed for.

...Please explain why you called me a racist.

You made a compositional error fallacy involving people as the class and genetic trait as the property.That form of this fallacy is called 'racism'.

...You mean suggesting people live the way their ancestors did is racism ?
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Into the Night wrote:

James___ wrote:

Into the Night wrote:

James___ wrote:

Into the Night wrote:

James___ wrote:
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Please stick to the topics this forum was designed for.

...Please explain why you called me a racist.

You made a compositional error fallacy involving people as the class and genetic trait as the property.That form of this fallacy is called 'racism'.

...You mean suggesting people live the way their ancestors did is racism ?
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No. Please stick to the topics this forum was designed for.