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The Mental Decay of Millennials26-09-2017 17:17
Wake
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NYT's Climate Alarmist Reporter: We're in 'Big Trouble,' Eat Less Meat

THIS is what these people are. So sick that they should be committed. Cow farts are warming the globe.

When you hear the term "environmentalism" remember this.

https://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/clay-waters/2017/09/25/nyts-climate-alarmist-reporter-gillis-were-big-trouble-so-eat-less
26-09-2017 23:20
litesong
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"old sick silly sleepy sleezy slimy steenkin' filthy vile reprobate rooting (& rotting) racist pukey proud pig AGW denier liar whiner wake-me-up" woofed:Cow farts ....
"old sick silly sleepy sleezy slimy steenkin' filthy vile reprobate rooting (& rotting) racist pukey proud pig AGW denier liar whiner wake-me-up" knows cow farts.
27-09-2017 19:10
L8112
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even if you disregarding the effect AA has on greenhouse gases, there is also the issue of the resources that are consumed to feed all the animals.
The current population is a little more than 7 billion people. The supportive livestock population is 70 billion.

- Animal agriculture produces 130 times the amount of excrement as the US population, and this excrement is untreated, amounting to 5 tons of untreated animal waste per person, per year. (Animal agriculture: waste management practices. United States General Accounting Office.)

This number is important because this number poisons soil, leading to dead land zones, and our fresh water supply, which is nearly exhausted, as well as eventually leading into the seas to contribute to our ocean dead zones, which is primarily the result of either over harvesting of fish or Animal Agriculture.

The human population consumes 5.2 billion gallons of water and 21 billion pounds of food. Cattle consume 45 billion gallons of water and 135 billion pounds of food. (United Nations FAO report, "Towards a more sustainable livestock sector," 18 Feb 2010.)

Needless to say, there would be no starvation, anywhere, if we abandoned Animal Agriculture as a food source. The problem is that these are very large mammals that require much greater resources per pound of flesh than humans require and thusly produce many times the waste as well. On top of that, these large mammals are killed typically just before 24 months, but the amount of carnivorous feed they produce by the pound is insufficient to sustain a single human for two years, and a human lives roughly 70 years, meaning each person will go through a few dozen cattle in a lifetime. If it were at all possible for industry to cut any corner and shave those numbers, they would have done so by now to reduce costs and overhead. A factor of roughly seven times the food required to support a mammal that provides 1X the carnivorous feed factor is as good as it gets.


The only number that matters is that on a global basis, we are clearly producing 7 times the amount of food to feed livestock, pound by pound, as we are to feed humans, meaning that we are producing enough food to feed almost 50 Billion people. That is third grade arithmetic. No other numbers matter, there is no simpler way to present it.


These are numbers you cannot refute. When billions of people are starving each year, is it right to continue to slaughter animals for the taste when that food could be going to people who are starving?
27-09-2017 19:35
GasGuzler
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I do enjoy the taste of meat. I also enjoy my vegies. However, I eat a lot of meat because I get a lot out of it. I'll eat about a pound in an average sitting, and the next day I'll work circles around guys 1/2 my age. Because I work hard, I earn this thing called money, and I turn that money into a comfortable life for my family....and more beef.

I do not , however, expect you to understand this concept. You are a socialist, wishing for the almighty, all knowing, all feeling, all paying government to tell us what is best for us and to legislate it into existence. I honestly don't know, and don't care, if you really are interested in global temps or if you are trying to use "global warming" as a vehicle to push your vegetarian agenda. I think you've been around a bit too much methane lately. Time to move away from the cloud.
Edited on 27-09-2017 19:36
27-09-2017 20:10
Wake
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L8112 wrote:
even if you disregarding the effect AA has on greenhouse gases, there is also the issue of the resources that are consumed to feed all the animals.
The current population is a little more than 7 billion people. The supportive livestock population is 70 billion.

- Animal agriculture produces 130 times the amount of excrement as the US population, and this excrement is untreated, amounting to 5 tons of untreated animal waste per person, per year. (Animal agriculture: waste management practices. United States General Accounting Office.)

This number is important because this number poisons soil, leading to dead land zones, and our fresh water supply, which is nearly exhausted, as well as eventually leading into the seas to contribute to our ocean dead zones, which is primarily the result of either over harvesting of fish or Animal Agriculture.

The human population consumes 5.2 billion gallons of water and 21 billion pounds of food. Cattle consume 45 billion gallons of water and 135 billion pounds of food. (United Nations FAO report, "Towards a more sustainable livestock sector," 18 Feb 2010.)

Needless to say, there would be no starvation, anywhere, if we abandoned Animal Agriculture as a food source. The problem is that these are very large mammals that require much greater resources per pound of flesh than humans require and thusly produce many times the waste as well. On top of that, these large mammals are killed typically just before 24 months, but the amount of carnivorous feed they produce by the pound is insufficient to sustain a single human for two years, and a human lives roughly 70 years, meaning each person will go through a few dozen cattle in a lifetime. If it were at all possible for industry to cut any corner and shave those numbers, they would have done so by now to reduce costs and overhead. A factor of roughly seven times the food required to support a mammal that provides 1X the carnivorous feed factor is as good as it gets.


The only number that matters is that on a global basis, we are clearly producing 7 times the amount of food to feed livestock, pound by pound, as we are to feed humans, meaning that we are producing enough food to feed almost 50 Billion people. That is third grade arithmetic. No other numbers matter, there is no simpler way to present it.


These are numbers you cannot refute. When billions of people are starving each year, is it right to continue to slaughter animals for the taste when that food could be going to people who are starving?


Animal just like human waste can be treated into normal soil. It isn't particularly expensive. They simply treat it in tanks with bacterial degeneration and then the resulting waste is soil with extremely high percentages of nitrogen in it. It cannot be used in farming so they use it as land fill. After sitting for a couple of years it decomposes into a rich loam that farmers use.

I don't have any idea where you get the belief that fresh water is "nearly exhausted". Tell that to Naval ships which do not carry a fresh water supply.

It would be quite easy to use the waste heat from many energy sources to desalinate water.

But the process of waste treatment creates what is known in the trade as "brown water". This is nearly pure water but people do not like to use it because of its source. But it is much easier to use evaporation processing to make pure water out of it.

The world is not dying around you no matter HOW much the environmentalists are trying to convince you that it is so.
27-09-2017 20:42
L8112
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GasGuzler wrote:
I do enjoy the taste of meat. I also enjoy my vegies. However, I eat a lot of meat because I get a lot out of it. I'll eat about a pound in an average sitting, and the next day I'll work circles around guys 1/2 my age. Because I work hard, I earn this thing called money, and I turn that money into a comfortable life for my family....and more beef.

I do not , however, expect you to understand this concept. You are a socialist, wishing for the almighty, all knowing, all feeling, all paying government to tell us what is best for us and to legislate it into existence. I honestly don't know, and don't care, if you really are interested in global temps or if you are trying to use "global warming" as a vehicle to push your vegetarian agenda. I think you've been around a bit too much methane lately. Time to move away from the cloud.



so many assumptions here, but your reaction is actually comedy gold. To sum up your statement: "I am OK with continuing a lifestyle where I eat meat because I like it, I am OK with the billion starving people, as long as I never have to hear about it. Out of sight, and out of mind."

There is no vegetarian agenda I am pushing, not everything is a conspiracy.

You are a socialist, wishing for the almighty, all knowing, all feeling, all paying government to tell us what is best for us and to legislate it into existence.


Lets just roll with your paranoia and say that I am socialist who hates 'Merica and 'Merican burgers. The fact still remains that we could feed 50 billion people if we allocated all the food that goes to livestock and gave it to people in need. We would have a massive surplus of food and world hunger would be eliminated.
This is a fact, and you are getting pissed...because?

I'll eat about a pound in an average sitting, and the next day I'll work circles around guys 1/2 my age. Because I work hard, I earn this thing called money, and I turn that money into a comfortable life for my family....and more beef.


All this amounts to is 'out of sight out of mind'. The fact is you don't care about the people who are starving as a result of commerce and capitalism. That is unpleasant to think about, and you get enraged when people point it out. You will ride the sinking ship that is capitalism until the planet has been raped and a global ecological collapse occurs. But until the effects are outside your front door and visible in broad daylight, you won't give a damn.
'Murica.
27-09-2017 20:59
L8112
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"The world is not dying around you no matter HOW much the environmentalists are trying to convince you that it is so."

Regardless of if the planet is collapsing. The fact still remains that 1 out of every 8 people are starving on this planet. 10 million people starve to death each year. We grow enough crops to feed everyone 5x over. This would require a concerted effort by the people of the world and governments to end AA, and world hunger would be eliminated. It is within our means to do so.


I know there is nothing anyone can say to convince you that the planet is dying. So lets say youre right, its not.
what you cant deny is that the following has already happened as the result of human activities and commerce:
-deforestation
-the bleaching of the great barrier reef
-the pollution of the air and water supply
-ODZs (ocean dead zones) as the result of runnoff from agriculture
-massive oil spills that destroy entire ecosystems
-the starvation of 1 billion people
-war as a from of commerce (9/11, vietnam, ww1, ww2) all generated massive profits for the companies that make all the tools for war
-the richest 1% of the American population own 40% of the country's total wealth

This has already been done.
27-09-2017 21:09
GasGuzler
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L911BS wrote:
The fact is you don't care about the people who are starving as a result of commerce and capitalism.

You are quite correct....I don't care about the people starving in a capitalist society. I lack even a high school education and manage to find myself in the top 10% of income earners. Why do I need to feed those who are unwilling to get off their fat ass and do something?

Who I do care about is those who are starving due to a lack of capitalism. Plenty of good hard working people in this world that go hungry due to their socialist and communist governments....and you want to go down that road? One world socialist government. That is what you want. So instead of telling me and my family what to have for dinner tonight, why don't you do something meaningful? How bout trying to get corn out of fuel tanks and into the mouths of hungry people? No, you want to destroy all cows. Excellent.

Oh, and you can stop the exaggerating. There are less than 1 billion critically hungry people in the world. Far too many, but far less than the billions figure you pulled out of your methane cave.
Edited on 27-09-2017 21:41
27-09-2017 21:14
Wake
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L8112 wrote: so many assumptions here, but your reaction is actually comedy gold. To sum up your statement: "I am OK with continuing a lifestyle where I eat meat because I like it, I am OK with the billion starving people, as long as I never have to hear about it. Out of sight, and out of mind."


At what point did it become my responsibility to feed the world? When should I have become the support of those who cannot support themselves from uncontrolled multiplication?

When did it become your right to tell me that I should be responsible for these others?
27-09-2017 21:24
GasGuzler
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L911BS wrote:
- Animal agriculture produces 130 times the amount of excrement as the US population, and this excrement is untreated, amounting to 5 tons of untreated animal waste per person, per year.


BTW dumbass, I'm sure you know that cow shit makes excellent fertilizer, which grows MORE food. Oh, and I own an acreage with a huge beautiful yard. I use pelletized chicken shit and it grows like crazy! Deep beautiful green. Amazing stuff....but it is illegal to use in many municipals. Go figure.
Edited on 27-09-2017 21:40
27-09-2017 21:48
GasGuzler
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Rethinking my response on this cow extermination thing....

What makes you so sure that hungry people will actually get the excess grain?

I live in the Midwest farm country, and I can tell you for the last 2 years, farmers have been growing at loss prices. In other words, they are storing crops in hopes of higher prices later that they can sell at a profit. There are BILLIONS of surplus bushels right now, with a livestock feed market. We have a grain surplus, but it's not getting to starving people. Why?

Oh, and another fun fact....almost 600,000 people employed in the meat industry in the United States alone!
Edited on 27-09-2017 21:56
27-09-2017 22:33
Into the NightProfile picture★★★★★
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L8112 wrote:
even if you disregarding the effect AA has on greenhouse gases, there is also the issue of the resources that are consumed to feed all the animals.

Okay. A typical cow will consume about a pound and half of grass (which we can't eat) in a day. They are slaughtered typically at 36 months of age (3 years). At the time of slaughter, you will obtain some 550 lbs of beef. Before slaughter, a cow will produce milk for cheese, ice cream, butter, etc. Even cows from beef cattle breeds produce some milk. Bulls produce only a means to keep the herd going.
L8112 wrote:
The current population is a little more than 7 billion people. The supportive livestock population is 70 billion.

'supportive' livestock??? Argument from randU.
L8112 wrote:
- Animal agriculture produces 130 times the amount of excrement as the US population, and this excrement is untreated, amounting to 5 tons of untreated animal waste per person, per year....deleted Holy Reference...

OMG! Untreated cattle shit! Run!

Do you know ANYTHING about biological waste products? My first guess is no.

L8112 wrote:
This number is important because this number poisons soil,

Animal waste IS soil. That is what MAKES the soil possible!
L8112 wrote:
leading to dead land zones,

Animal waste is fertilizer!
L8112 wrote:
and our fresh water supply,

So what are the cattle drinking??? Do you see cow shit coming out of your tap?
L8112 wrote:
which is nearly exhausted,

My tap still works. I can still go swim in the nearby lake. I can still fish in the rivers.
L8112 wrote:
as well as eventually leading into the seas

Did you know cow shit HELPS the seas?
L8112 wrote:
to contribute to our ocean dead zones,

Nope. Fish LOVE it! They EAT the stuff!
L8112 wrote:
which is primarily the result of either over harvesting of fish or Animal Agriculture.

Non sequitur. What has over harvesting of fish got to do with cow shit?
L8112 wrote:
The human population consumes 5.2 billion gallons of water and 21 billion pounds of food.

More random numbers. I'll bet you watched every bite, too.
L8112 wrote:
Cattle consume 45 billion gallons of water and 135 billion pounds of food. ...deleted Holy Reference...
More random numbers. No one is measuring any of these numbers.
[quote]L8112 wrote:
Needless to say, there would be no starvation, anywhere, if we abandoned Animal Agriculture as a food source.

Starvation is not the result of people eating a good steak.
L8112 wrote:
The problem is that these are very large mammals that require much greater resources per pound of flesh than humans require and thusly produce many times the waste as well.

Large animals mean large shit.
L8112 wrote:
On top of that, these large mammals are killed typically just before 24 months,

Wrong. More like 36 months.
L8112 wrote:
but the amount of carnivorous feed they produce by the pound is insufficient to sustain a single human for two years,

Lessee. A slaughtered cow produces typically 550lbs of beef. That's basically eating a pound of beef every day for two years. Want to reconfigure for three years? That basically eating a half pound of beef every day. Sure beats eating grass (remember, that's what the cow ate)!
L8112 wrote:
and a human lives roughly 70 years, meaning each person will go through a few dozen cattle in a lifetime.

More random numbers. This one results in consuming 3/4 lbs of beef every day since birth (look ma...no TEETH!) to death at 70 years (look dear...no TEETH!).
L8112 wrote:
If it were at all possible for industry to cut any corner and shave those numbers, they would have done so by now to reduce costs and overhead. A factor of roughly seven times the food required to support a mammal that provides 1X the carnivorous feed factor is as good as it gets.

You don't know a whole lot about cattle ranching, do you? Or chicken ranching? Or ranching of any kind. The idiots you quote your Holy References from don't either.
L8112 wrote:
The only number that matters is that on a global basis, we are clearly producing 7 times the amount of food to feed livestock, pound by pound, as we are to feed humans, meaning that we are producing enough food to feed almost 50 Billion people. That is third grade arithmetic. No other numbers matter, there is no simpler way to present it.

You expect these people to eat grass???
L8112 wrote:
These are numbers you cannot refute.

Your numbers are arguments of randU.
L8112 wrote:
When billions of people are starving each year, is it right to continue to slaughter animals for the taste when that food could be going to people who are starving?

And now the moralistic argument. I guess you figure it's moral to make everyone eat the grass instead.


The Parrot Killer
27-09-2017 22:34
Into the NightProfile picture★★★★★
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GasGuzler wrote:
I do enjoy the taste of meat. I also enjoy my vegies. However, I eat a lot of meat because I get a lot out of it. I'll eat about a pound in an average sitting, and the next day I'll work circles around guys 1/2 my age. Because I work hard, I earn this thing called money, and I turn that money into a comfortable life for my family....and more beef.

I do not , however, expect you to understand this concept. You are a socialist, wishing for the almighty, all knowing, all feeling, all paying government to tell us what is best for us and to legislate it into existence. I honestly don't know, and don't care, if you really are interested in global temps or if you are trying to use "global warming" as a vehicle to push your vegetarian agenda. I think you've been around a bit too much methane lately. Time to move away from the cloud.

Bingo.


The Parrot Killer
27-09-2017 23:46
Into the NightProfile picture★★★★★
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Wake wrote:
Animal just like human waste can be treated into normal soil.

No need to treat it. It will become normal soil.
Wake wrote:
It isn't particularly expensive.

It's free. Can't get cheaper than that!
Wake wrote:
They simply treat it in tanks with bacterial degeneration and then the resulting waste is soil with extremely high percentages of nitrogen in it.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA! No one gather up cow patties to ship it to a wastewater plant!
Wake wrote:
It cannot be used in farming

It is fertilizer. It IS used in farming!
Wake wrote:
so they use it as land fill.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA! No! Farmers use shit for fertilizer! It has NOT been treated! The only reason farmers buy MORE fertilizer is because there isn't enough shit!
Wake wrote:
After sitting for a couple of years it decomposes into a rich loam that farmers use.

Takes only days, dude.
Wake wrote:
I don't have any idea where you get the belief that fresh water is "nearly exhausted". Tell that to Naval ships which do not carry a fresh water supply.

I guess he doesn't believe in rain.
Wake wrote:
It would be quite easy to use the waste heat from many energy sources to desalinate water.

True, or you could just wait for rain, or you could be reasonably intelligent like most people and build near a water source, such as a river. Then it can rain somewhere else!
Wake wrote:
But the process of waste treatment creates what is known in the trade as "brown water". This is nearly pure water but people do not like to use it because of its source. But it is much easier to use evaporation processing to make pure water out of it.

You don't know a whole lot about wastewater treatment, do you?
Wake wrote:
The world is not dying around you no matter HOW much the environmentalists are trying to convince you that it is so.

True. Shit is life. It is food for something else...often a plant. It might even be a fish. It still rains. We are growing more food than ever before.


The Parrot Killer
27-09-2017 23:57
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L8112 wrote:
GasGuzler wrote:
I do enjoy the taste of meat. I also enjoy my vegies. However, I eat a lot of meat because I get a lot out of it. I'll eat about a pound in an average sitting, and the next day I'll work circles around guys 1/2 my age. Because I work hard, I earn this thing called money, and I turn that money into a comfortable life for my family....and more beef.

I do not , however, expect you to understand this concept. You are a socialist, wishing for the almighty, all knowing, all feeling, all paying government to tell us what is best for us and to legislate it into existence. I honestly don't know, and don't care, if you really are interested in global temps or if you are trying to use "global warming" as a vehicle to push your vegetarian agenda. I think you've been around a bit too much methane lately. Time to move away from the cloud.



so many assumptions here,
but your reaction is actually comedy gold.

I think his reaction and description of you is right on.
L8112 wrote:
To sum up your statement: "I am OK with continuing a lifestyle where I eat meat because I like it, I am OK with the billion starving people, as long as I never have to hear about it. Out of sight, and out of mind."

Not what he said. It is what YOU said. He did not make the moralistic fallacy you are attempting.
L8112 wrote:
There is no vegetarian agenda I am pushing, not everything is a conspiracy.

Then WTF ARE you pushing???
L8112 wrote:
You are a socialist, wishing for the almighty, all knowing, all feeling, all paying government to tell us what is best for us and to legislate it into existence.


Lets just roll with your paranoia and say that I am socialist who hates 'Merica and 'Merican burgers. The fact still remains that we could feed 50 billion people if we allocated all the food that goes to livestock and gave it to people in need.

Who are YOU to decide how things should be allocated? You are not God. You are not a dictator. Remember, you said you 'like' America. How is that so if you despise the form of government we have here? We are a federated republic. YOU don't get to decide anything beyond a single vote for putting some clown in office.
L8112 wrote:
We would have a massive surplus of food

Nope. We can't eat grass.
L8112 wrote:
and world hunger would be eliminated.

Nope. World hunger is caused by factors unrelated to total food availability. It's caused by wars, insects, poor farming practices, theft (by people like you), mismanagement of local resources such as water, etc.
L8112 wrote:
This is a fact,

Not a fact. An argument. Learn what a 'fact' is.
L8112 wrote:
and you are getting pissed...because?

Because he resents you telling everybody they are killing the planet.?


The Parrot Killer
28-09-2017 00:09
GasGuzler
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Into the Night wrote:
L8112 wrote:
GasGuzler wrote:
I do enjoy the taste of meat. I also enjoy my vegies. However, I eat a lot of meat because I get a lot out of it. I'll eat about a pound in an average sitting, and the next day I'll work circles around guys 1/2 my age. Because I work hard, I earn this thing called money, and I turn that money into a comfortable life for my family....and more beef.

I do not , however, expect you to understand this concept. You are a socialist, wishing for the almighty, all knowing, all feeling, all paying government to tell us what is best for us and to legislate it into existence. I honestly don't know, and don't care, if you really are interested in global temps or if you are trying to use "global warming" as a vehicle to push your vegetarian agenda. I think you've been around a bit too much methane lately. Time to move away from the cloud.



so many assumptions here,
but your reaction is actually comedy gold.

I think his reaction and description of you is right on.
L8112 wrote:
To sum up your statement: "I am OK with continuing a lifestyle where I eat meat because I like it, I am OK with the billion starving people, as long as I never have to hear about it. Out of sight, and out of mind."

Not what he said. It is what YOU said. He did not make the moralistic fallacy you are attempting.
L8112 wrote:
There is no vegetarian agenda I am pushing, not everything is a conspiracy.

Then WTF ARE you pushing???
L8112 wrote:
You are a socialist, wishing for the almighty, all knowing, all feeling, all paying government to tell us what is best for us and to legislate it into existence.


Lets just roll with your paranoia and say that I am socialist who hates 'Merica and 'Merican burgers. The fact still remains that we could feed 50 billion people if we allocated all the food that goes to livestock and gave it to people in need.

Who are YOU to decide how things should be allocated? You are not God. You are not a dictator. Remember, you said you 'like' America. How is that so if you despise the form of government we have here? We are a federated republic. YOU don't get to decide anything beyond a single vote for putting some clown in office.
L8112 wrote:
We would have a massive surplus of food

Nope. We can't eat grass.
L8112 wrote:
and world hunger would be eliminated.

Nope. World hunger is caused by factors unrelated to total food availability. It's caused by wars, insects, poor farming practices, theft (by people like you), mismanagement of local resources such as water, etc.
L8112 wrote:
This is a fact,

Not a fact. An argument. Learn what a 'fact' is.
L8112 wrote:
and you are getting pissed...because?

Because he resents you telling everybody they are killing the planet.?

Great exchange! Nail on the head ITN. Only thing I would add is that we ALREADY HAVE a massive surplus of food. Does L911BS not find it odd that the US is a capitalist country with a weight problem? Want to spread the wealth? (food) Spread capitalism.
Edited on 28-09-2017 00:10
28-09-2017 00:12
Into the NightProfile picture★★★★★
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L8112 wrote:
"The world is not dying around you no matter HOW much the environmentalists are trying to convince you that it is so."

Regardless of if the planet is collapsing.

Okay. Now you want to backtrack and say the collapsing of civilization is not collapsing after describing all the ways it is. Riighhhht.
L8112 wrote:
The fact still remains that 1 out of every 8 people are starving on this planet.

Argument from randU. Not a fact. Learn what a 'fact' is.
L8112 wrote:
10 million people starve to death each year.

Argument from randU.
L8112 wrote:
We grow enough crops to feed everyone 5x over.

Argument from randU.
L8112 wrote:
This would require a concerted effort by the people of the world and governments to end AA, and world hunger would be eliminated.

In other words, a world dictatorship. No thanks.
L8112 wrote:
It is within our means to do so.

Why would anyone WANT to do so??? Oh...that's right...you're a socialist.
L8112 wrote:
I know there is nothing anyone can say to convince you that the planet is dying. So lets say youre right, its not.
what you cant deny is that the following has already happened as the result of human activities and commerce:

Okay...let's look at them.
L8112 wrote:
-deforestation

We have more forests than ever. We farm trees now.
L8112 wrote:
-the bleaching of the great barrier reef

The Barrier Reef is already recovering. Didn't take long. Man does not cause El Nino or La Nina cycles. We can't control where the currents in the ocean go.
L8112 wrote:
-the pollution of the air and water supply

Oooooo. Can you get more vague than that???
L8112 wrote:
-ODZs (ocean dead zones) as the result of runnoff from agriculture

Shit is food for fish.
L8112 wrote:
-massive oil spills that destroy entire ecosystems

Of what???
L8112 wrote:
-the starvation of 1 billion people

Not bad. It used to be a LOT worse! We're improving!
L8112 wrote:
-war as a from of commerce (9/11, vietnam, ww1, ww2)

Trading destruction is not commerce. War is waste.
L8112 wrote:
all generated massive profits for the companies that make all the tools for war

War is waste. That is money that is better spent on things people want, rather than buying tanks, fighters, ships, and other gear of war. War is waste.
L8112 wrote:
-the richest 1% of the American population own 40% of the country's total wealth

Argument from randU. You don't even know what wealth there IS in the country.
L8112 wrote:
This has already been done.

What has? Your canned chanting from the Church of Ecological Radicals?


The Parrot Killer
28-09-2017 00:17
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GasGuzler wrote:
L911BS wrote:
The fact is you don't care about the people who are starving as a result of commerce and capitalism.

You are quite correct....I don't care about the people starving in a capitalist society. I lack even a high school education and manage to find myself in the top 10% of income earners. Why do I need to feed those who are unwilling to get off their fat ass and do something?

Who I do care about is those who are starving due to a lack of capitalism. Plenty of good hard working people in this world that go hungry due to their socialist and communist governments....and you want to go down that road? One world socialist government. That is what you want. So instead of telling me and my family what to have for dinner tonight, why don't you do something meaningful? How bout trying to get corn out of fuel tanks and into the mouths of hungry people? No, you want to destroy all cows. Excellent.

Oh, and you can stop the exaggerating. There are less than 1 billion critically hungry people in the world. Far too many, but far less than the billions figure you pulled out of your methane cave.


This tells me that you actually DO care for someone having a bad patch in our society. You WOULD help out one truly in need and not just being lazy. And you would do it voluntarily.

I do see that you have charity after all, unlike the way L9 is portraying you.


The Parrot Killer
28-09-2017 00:17
L8112
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Into the Night I think you forgot to take your meds today. you are this forum's equivalent of the village idiot.
28-09-2017 00:23
Into the NightProfile picture★★★★★
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GasGuzler wrote:
L911BS wrote:
- Animal agriculture produces 130 times the amount of excrement as the US population, and this excrement is untreated, amounting to 5 tons of untreated animal waste per person, per year.


BTW dumbass, I'm sure you know that cow shit makes excellent fertilizer, which grows MORE food. Oh, and I own an acreage with a huge beautiful yard. I use pelletized chicken shit and it grows like crazy! Deep beautiful green. Amazing stuff....but it is illegal to use in many municipals. Go figure.


It's the old city/country war again. City folk do not understand anything about country life. They live in isolated artificial worlds. They don't realize the city can neither house nor feed nor water not warm its members without continuing supplies from outside.

Cut off their supply line at any point, and they cannot fend for themselves. They don't know how to farm, ranch, make fuel, or in any other way become independent of that supply line.

The violence is in the cities, not the country.

The Marxist ideals thought up in some ivory tower on some college campus is in the cities, not the country.

People in the cities don't understand even where the city came from.


The Parrot Killer
28-09-2017 00:26
Into the NightProfile picture★★★★★
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GasGuzler wrote:
Into the Night wrote:
L8112 wrote:
GasGuzler wrote:
I do enjoy the taste of meat. I also enjoy my vegies. However, I eat a lot of meat because I get a lot out of it. I'll eat about a pound in an average sitting, and the next day I'll work circles around guys 1/2 my age. Because I work hard, I earn this thing called money, and I turn that money into a comfortable life for my family....and more beef.

I do not , however, expect you to understand this concept. You are a socialist, wishing for the almighty, all knowing, all feeling, all paying government to tell us what is best for us and to legislate it into existence. I honestly don't know, and don't care, if you really are interested in global temps or if you are trying to use "global warming" as a vehicle to push your vegetarian agenda. I think you've been around a bit too much methane lately. Time to move away from the cloud.



so many assumptions here,
but your reaction is actually comedy gold.

I think his reaction and description of you is right on.
L8112 wrote:
To sum up your statement: "I am OK with continuing a lifestyle where I eat meat because I like it, I am OK with the billion starving people, as long as I never have to hear about it. Out of sight, and out of mind."

Not what he said. It is what YOU said. He did not make the moralistic fallacy you are attempting.
L8112 wrote:
There is no vegetarian agenda I am pushing, not everything is a conspiracy.

Then WTF ARE you pushing???
L8112 wrote:
You are a socialist, wishing for the almighty, all knowing, all feeling, all paying government to tell us what is best for us and to legislate it into existence.


Lets just roll with your paranoia and say that I am socialist who hates 'Merica and 'Merican burgers. The fact still remains that we could feed 50 billion people if we allocated all the food that goes to livestock and gave it to people in need.

Who are YOU to decide how things should be allocated? You are not God. You are not a dictator. Remember, you said you 'like' America. How is that so if you despise the form of government we have here? We are a federated republic. YOU don't get to decide anything beyond a single vote for putting some clown in office.
L8112 wrote:
We would have a massive surplus of food

Nope. We can't eat grass.
L8112 wrote:
and world hunger would be eliminated.

Nope. World hunger is caused by factors unrelated to total food availability. It's caused by wars, insects, poor farming practices, theft (by people like you), mismanagement of local resources such as water, etc.
L8112 wrote:
This is a fact,

Not a fact. An argument. Learn what a 'fact' is.
L8112 wrote:
and you are getting pissed...because?

Because he resents you telling everybody they are killing the planet.?

Great exchange! Nail on the head ITN. Only thing I would add is that we ALREADY HAVE a massive surplus of food. Does L911BS not find it odd that the US is a capitalist country with a weight problem? Want to spread the wealth? (food) Spread capitalism.


Exactly. Free people to conduct commerce for their own benefit, establishing the products they want and the prices for them by themselves, stop the theft by governments, and watch the prosperous times begin!

The way to achieve World Peace is profit.


The Parrot Killer
28-09-2017 00:29
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It's the old city/country war again. City folk do not understand anything about country life. They live in isolated artificial worlds. They don't realize the city can neither house nor feed nor water not warm its members without continuing supplies from outside.

Cut off their supply line at any point, and they cannot fend for themselves. They don't know how to farm, ranch, make fuel, or in any other way become independent of that supply line.

The violence is in the cities, not the country.

The Marxist ideals thought up in some ivory tower on some college campus is in the cities, not the country.

People in the cities don't understand even where the city came from.


you keep talking, and yet there is nothing coming out of your mouth. You LOVE hearing yourself talk about nothing, as evidenced by your thousands of comments on here.

you are stuck within a never-ending loop of lunacy that goes something like this:

False information⇋Reverse logic⇋Reverse psychology
28-09-2017 00:31
Into the NightProfile picture★★★★★
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L8112 wrote:
It's the old city/country war again. City folk do not understand anything about country life. They live in isolated artificial worlds. They don't realize the city can neither house nor feed nor water not warm its members without continuing supplies from outside.

Cut off their supply line at any point, and they cannot fend for themselves. They don't know how to farm, ranch, make fuel, or in any other way become independent of that supply line.

The violence is in the cities, not the country.

The Marxist ideals thought up in some ivory tower on some college campus is in the cities, not the country.

People in the cities don't understand even where the city came from.


you keep talking, and yet there is nothing coming out of your mouth. You LOVE hearing yourself talk about nothing, as evidenced by your thousands of comments on here.

you are stuck within a never-ending loop of lunacy that goes something like this:

False information⇋Reverse logic⇋Reverse psychology


Wow. I killed THAT parrot effectively! He seems to be reduced to nothing but insults now.


The Parrot Killer
28-09-2017 00:31
L8112
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The way to achieve World Peace is profit.


Another big fat 'nothing' burger from village idiot "into the night"
Edited on 28-09-2017 00:32
28-09-2017 00:33
L8112
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Wow. I killed THAT parrot effectively! He seems to be reduced to nothing but insults now.


Still no substance from you, continue your tap dance lil man
28-09-2017 00:34
GasGuzler
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Into the Night wrote:
GasGuzler wrote:
L911BS wrote:
The fact is you don't care about the people who are starving as a result of commerce and capitalism.

You are quite correct....I don't care about the people starving in a capitalist society. I lack even a high school education and manage to find myself in the top 10% of income earners. Why do I need to feed those who are unwilling to get off their fat ass and do something?

Who I do care about is those who are starving due to a lack of capitalism. Plenty of good hard working people in this world that go hungry due to their socialist and communist governments....and you want to go down that road? One world socialist government. That is what you want. So instead of telling me and my family what to have for dinner tonight, why don't you do something meaningful? How bout trying to get corn out of fuel tanks and into the mouths of hungry people? No, you want to destroy all cows. Excellent.

Oh, and you can stop the exaggerating. There are less than 1 billion critically hungry people in the world. Far too many, but far less than the billions figure you pulled out of your methane cave.


This tells me that you actually DO care for someone having a bad patch in our society. You WOULD help out one truly in need and not just being lazy. And you would do it voluntarily.

I do see that you have charity after all, unlike the way L9 is portraying you.


What do you mean after all?


Seriously though, I can sound like a hard ass. It comes from going through what I did to get where I am. I surely didn't choose the easy way. I am always looking for a way to give a hand up, not a hand out. Samaritan's Purse is one of my favorite charities and my family has supported several children in Africa over the years.
Also my work is often times simply needing bodies and hands. On several occasions I have been alone on my way to a job, wishing I had another strong back. The guys with the signs that say 'will work for food' are mostly a joke. I've offered them $50 cash and whatever restaurant they want after a days work. In 8 years, only one has accepted.

Yes, I get it. We do have more opportunity here in the US than anywhere in the world. There's a solid reason for that, and it has nothing to do with sitting on one's ass.
28-09-2017 00:44
GasGuzler
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Into the Night wrote:
GasGuzler wrote:
L911BS wrote:
- Animal agriculture produces 130 times the amount of excrement as the US population, and this excrement is untreated, amounting to 5 tons of untreated animal waste per person, per year.


BTW dumbass, I'm sure you know that cow shit makes excellent fertilizer, which grows MORE food. Oh, and I own an acreage with a huge beautiful yard. I use pelletized chicken shit and it grows like crazy! Deep beautiful green. Amazing stuff....but it is illegal to use in many municipals. Go figure.


It's the old city/country war again. City folk do not understand anything about country life. They live in isolated artificial worlds. They don't realize the city can neither house nor feed nor water not warm its members without continuing supplies from outside.

Cut off their supply line at any point, and they cannot fend for themselves. They don't know how to farm, ranch, make fuel, or in any other way become independent of that supply line.

The violence is in the cities, not the country.

The Marxist ideals thought up in some ivory tower on some college campus is in the cities, not the country.

People in the cities don't understand even where the city came from.


Bingo. The crime is in the city, not in the pasture.
28-09-2017 00:49
L8112
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Yes, I get it. We do have more opportunity here in the US than anywhere in the world. There's a solid reason for that, and it has nothing to do with sitting on one's ass.


opportunity to do what? climb the ranks of the socio economic latter and build your own little 'kingdom'? unfortunately for you, the entire system is completely unsustainable.

the Total Global Debt began taking off in the late 70's and has a gradual slope upward. This is a slope that definitively does what a collapsing chaotic system does, it bends a bit before it breaks, bending a bit from 1990 to 9/11, then as of 9/11, which I refer to as the 'Wildcard Event' is like a waterfall from which there is no turning back. the global debt now sits at 230 trillion dollars. the ghost money in the null domain (where 97% of Commerce exists as digital debt – ghost money) answers to May's Fractal of a Chaotic system.

There is no 'real' money on Earth, it is all now a truly random system not at all related to nature that is Chaotic and unresolvable. There is nothing you can do in a truly mathematically random system that will produce anything other than a truly random result. That is why Presidents fail, entire nations fail, and planets fail. That is why the eco system of Earth is failing, commerce driven, a truly random system in amongst a system of highly ordered nature. That is why a billion humans are starving, tens of thousands of species have already gone extinct, the soil and oceans are becoming inert, dead.


what does this mean? it means no 'kingdom' for you, treasures, status, wealth etc.. its all going to be flushed down the toilet as the chaotic fractal that is commerce flies apart.
Edited on 28-09-2017 00:54
28-09-2017 00:50
GasGuzler
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Into the Night wrote:
L8112 wrote:
It's the old city/country war again. City folk do not understand anything about country life. They live in isolated artificial worlds. They don't realize the city can neither house nor feed nor water not warm its members without continuing supplies from outside.

Cut off their supply line at any point, and they cannot fend for themselves. They don't know how to farm, ranch, make fuel, or in any other way become independent of that supply line.

The violence is in the cities, not the country.

The Marxist ideals thought up in some ivory tower on some college campus is in the cities, not the country.

People in the cities don't understand even where the city came from.


you keep talking, and yet there is nothing coming out of your mouth. You LOVE hearing yourself talk about nothing, as evidenced by your thousands of comments on here.

you are stuck within a never-ending loop of lunacy that goes something like this:

False information⇋Reverse logic⇋Reverse psychology


Wow. I killed THAT parrot effectively! He seems to be reduced to nothing but insults now.


Great! Where's his house at? Fannie Mae pays $75 for dead animal removal!
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28-09-2017 01:48
Wake
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L8112 wrote:
"The world is not dying around you no matter HOW much the environmentalists are trying to convince you that it is so."

Regardless of if the planet is collapsing. The fact still remains that 1 out of every 8 people are starving on this planet. 10 million people starve to death each year. We grow enough crops to feed everyone 5x over. This would require a concerted effort by the people of the world and governments to end AA, and world hunger would be eliminated. It is within our means to do so.


I know there is nothing anyone can say to convince you that the planet is dying. So lets say youre right, its not.
what you cant deny is that the following has already happened as the result of human activities and commerce:
-deforestation
-the bleaching of the great barrier reef
-the pollution of the air and water supply
-ODZs (ocean dead zones) as the result of runnoff from agriculture
-massive oil spills that destroy entire ecosystems
-the starvation of 1 billion people
-war as a from of commerce (9/11, vietnam, ww1, ww2) all generated massive profits for the companies that make all the tools for war
-the richest 1% of the American population own 40% of the country's total wealth

This has already been done.


Exactly WHAT do you know about starvation? Where does it occur and WHY?

Deforestation is no problem. More forest grows each year that man cuts down.

The "bleaching" of the great barrier reef had nothing whatsoever to do with man. It appears to be a naturally occurring event that is caused by infections.

If the air and water is polluted how are you breathing or drinking water? The most offensive water pollution in the last decade was CAUSED by the EPA.

Again what in the hell do you know about ocean dead zones? We have been warned that the Bay of Bengal is one of the world's largest dead zones. Complete fabrication with over 700 species of fish ranging from small to very large commercially harvested there.

There's that "starvation" again, and again you know nothing about it.

War as a form of commerce? Tell me about these companies that became rich off of war. Explain how the Germans started WW I and WW II because they wanted commercial companies to grow rich. Tell us what you know about Vietnam - absolutely nothing I'll warrant. You sure as hell probably have never even MET a Vietnamese if you can saw anything like that. 9/11 was a form of commercial profit? That is as far whacked out as it is possible to be.

Exactly what does it matter who owns how much? Are you jealous? Trump started with almost nothing and became a billionaire just buying and selling properties. A friend of mine lost his job selling plastic packing material and had to live in his garage and rent out his apartment in order to make his rent. He took a couple classes in day trading and has been making $6,000/wk for the last year.

I am a high school dropout that am a self-taught electronics engineer and programmer and I built boards for the International Space Station and built the first automatic PCR machine to find HIV in the world's blood banking system. I am now worth $1,000,000 net.

You talk about those filthy rich as a moron that doesn't know that they are the largest contributors to ending starvation in the world and researching diseases so that people can live fuller and healthier lives.

What you sound like is a stupid kid who is scared of the world around you and are unwilling to try. Someone who will live in their mother's basement until you kill yourself from drugs.
28-09-2017 02:26
Into the NightProfile picture★★★★★
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GasGuzler wrote:
Into the Night wrote:
GasGuzler wrote:
L911BS wrote:
The fact is you don't care about the people who are starving as a result of commerce and capitalism.

You are quite correct....I don't care about the people starving in a capitalist society. I lack even a high school education and manage to find myself in the top 10% of income earners. Why do I need to feed those who are unwilling to get off their fat ass and do something?

Who I do care about is those who are starving due to a lack of capitalism. Plenty of good hard working people in this world that go hungry due to their socialist and communist governments....and you want to go down that road? One world socialist government. That is what you want. So instead of telling me and my family what to have for dinner tonight, why don't you do something meaningful? How bout trying to get corn out of fuel tanks and into the mouths of hungry people? No, you want to destroy all cows. Excellent.

Oh, and you can stop the exaggerating. There are less than 1 billion critically hungry people in the world. Far too many, but far less than the billions figure you pulled out of your methane cave.


This tells me that you actually DO care for someone having a bad patch in our society. You WOULD help out one truly in need and not just being lazy. And you would do it voluntarily.

I do see that you have charity after all, unlike the way L9 is portraying you.


What do you mean after all?

Well...after the way L9 and Greenman describes you. I guess we're both haters out to destroy humanity, eh?
GasGuzler wrote:
Seriously though, I can sound like a hard ass.

As can I. Join the club. That's what takes to run a business.
GasGuzler wrote:
It comes from going through what I did to get where I am.

But you took the effort to do it! That's the key!
GasGuzler wrote:
I surely didn't choose the easy way. I am always looking for a way to give a hand up, not a hand out. Samaritan's Purse is one of my favorite charities and my family has supported several children in Africa over the years.

Not familiar with them. I support my church. They do the same thing for Africa (and more besides!). They teach them how to dig wells for water better, how to make better use of the land they have for crops, etc.
GasGuzler wrote:
Also my work is often times simply needing bodies and hands. On several occasions I have been alone on my way to a job, wishing I had another strong back.

I hear ya. You are not alone with that!
GasGuzler wrote:
The guys with the signs that say 'will work for food' are mostly a joke.

Especially when they stand on street corners right next to a fast food store with a 'hiring' sign hanging on it.
GasGuzler wrote:
I've offered them $50 cash and whatever restaurant they want after a days work. In 8 years, only one has accepted.

You found the needle in the haystack! Congratulations!
GasGuzler wrote:
Yes, I get it. We do have more opportunity here in the US than anywhere in the world.

That we do.
GasGuzler wrote:
There's a solid reason for that, and it has nothing to do with sitting on one's ass.

Yup. What we have in this country is an initiative problem. Not a starvation problem. There is the welfare queen that weighs 400 lbs. There are starving people in Las Vegas, a town that serves all-you-can-eat buffets for $10 and breakfast for $2. They won't work because they won't get off their drugs.


The Parrot Killer
28-09-2017 03:02
GasGuzler
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GasGuzler wrote:
I surely didn't choose the easy way. I am always looking for a way to give a hand up, not a hand out. Samaritan's Purse is one of my favorite charities and my family has supported several children in Africa over the years.


ITN wrote:
Not familiar with them. I support my church. They do the same thing for Africa (and more besides!). They teach them how to dig wells for water better, how to make better use of the land they have for crops, etc.


Ha! My bad there fellow hater. It's Compassion International that go through to sponsor the children. You give them enough to eat, go to school, and get clothing...and it's not much, I think $30-35 a month takes pretty good care of a child's needs over there. They write letters and we write back. You start a sponsorship when they are young and you get to watch them grow up(pictures) and mature. It's pretty cool.

Samaritan's purse is the one where we take the our kids shopping at Christmas and they shop for kid's in Africa. Everything they can stuff in a shoe box. We do a bunch of them....good fun!
28-09-2017 03:08
Into the NightProfile picture★★★★★
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L8112 wrote:
Yes, I get it. We do have more opportunity here in the US than anywhere in the world. There's a solid reason for that, and it has nothing to do with sitting on one's ass.


opportunity to do what?

Anything you want that is productive.
L8112 wrote:
climb the ranks of the socio economic latter and build your own little 'kingdom'?

Not particularly productive, but if that's what you want to do, you can do it.
L8112 wrote:
unfortunately for you, the entire system is completely unsustainable.

Oooo. Now we hear from the survivalists.
L8112 wrote:
the Total Global Debt began taking off in the late 70's and has a gradual slope upward.

The debt is a creation of governments. They are the ones that owe the money. They put themselves where they are.
L8112 wrote:
This is a slope that definitively does what a collapsing chaotic system does, it bends a bit before it breaks, bending a bit from 1990 to 9/11, then as of 9/11, which I refer to as the 'Wildcard Event' is like a waterfall from which there is no turning back. the global debt now sits at 230 trillion dollars. the ghost money in the null domain (where 97% of Commerce exists as digital debt – ghost money) answers to May's Fractal of a Chaotic system.

Federal reserve notes ARE real money. They satisfy all the requirements of the definition of 'money'. They represent a value, and they are unit of account.
L8112 wrote:
There is no 'real' money on Earth,

Yes there is. Anything can satisfy the definition of 'money'. Even gold. Even food. Even shelter. Even Federal Reserve Notes. 'Real' money is quite literally what people are willing to accept to transact business between each other as an accounting medium.
L8112 wrote:
it is all now a truly random system not at all related to nature that is Chaotic and unresolvable.

This statement is a paradox. It stems from your illiteracy in random number mathematics.
L8112 wrote:
There is nothing you can do in a truly mathematically random system that will produce anything other than a truly random result.

By definition. You still don't seem to understand random number mathematics.
L8112 wrote:
That is why Presidents fail,

Nothing to do with math.
L8112 wrote:
entire nations fail,

Nothing to do with math.
L8112 wrote:
and planets fail.

Planets fail??? You mean the gravity stops working or something???
L8112 wrote:
That is why the eco system of Earth is failing,

Define 'failing eco system' without using prophecy or circular definitions.
L8112 wrote:
commerce driven, a truly random system in amongst a system of highly ordered nature.

Have you seen nature??? It's a disorganized mess. Weeds growing anywhere just they always have, tangles in jungles just they always have been, critters moving any which way just they always have.

Commerce is predictable. It follows economic models that work. We know that people have need to buy and sell things. We know that the things in the market increase and change according to the will of the buyers and sellers of that market. We know what happens when thieves like governments enter the picture to try to seize the accumulated wealth, or micromanage it.

L8112 wrote:
That is why a billion humans are starving,

Already discussed. Argument of the Stone.
L8112 wrote:
tens of thousands of species have already gone extinct,

Argument from randU. You don't know how many species went extinct or why. You are also ignoring species newly discovered (quite a lot of them, you know).
L8112 wrote:
the soil and oceans are becoming inert, dead.

Is that why plants still grow and fish still swim?
L8112 wrote:
what does this mean?

It means you're full of shit.
L8112 wrote:
it means no 'kingdom' for you, treasures, status, wealth etc.. its all going to be flushed down the toilet as the chaotic fractal that is commerce flies apart.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Do you know how cities are built???

Let's take a modest example, l like Seattle, WA.

Before Seattle, there was nothing here but forest, rain, and a few indians.

Explorers discovered Puget Sound, and within it, a bay. (Today we call that Elliott Bay). The find level ground and an island in the bay. They decide to settle there. They have nothing but the seeds they brought with them.

The indians are generally friendly to the newcomers. They spend their time hunting, farming, and fishing in Puget Sound.

From nothing but seeds and willingness to build a community, they hack out a clearing and build themselves some homes near a point next to the bay (Alki point). They have no government. No laws. No commerce other than amongst each other, each providing for the needs of the others through what they decide to grow or through their skills.

The first major winter storm wipes out the community. The houses are destroyed.

They try again, this time in the bay itself. They learn to hunt, farm, and fish more effectively from the friendly indians. They have no government, no laws. Nothing but determination.

One man decides to start a sawmill. He builds his own equipment, using coal found locally, and begins cutting nearby timber to feed the mill. It's products produce lumber for more houses. This man is arrogant, drunk most of the time, and rich. His name was Henry Yesler.

The town grows, putting up houses. One main 'street' is a slideway for the logs, being slid down the hill to the mill. They call this street 'skid row'. Later, it's renamed to Yesler Way.

A banker comes to town. He brings with him only the knowledge on how to run a bank. He builds his own bank and opens a facility where people can store the gold that they've mined in the area. He begins to make loans for newcomers to get started. He's a straight arrow. His name was Arthur Denny.

The only laws are they they themselves created. The only money and wealth is what they themselves created.

Eventually, they decide to lay out future streets in the new town, which they name after a local indian chief. Denny is rich, and wants the streets to run north-south. Yesler is a drunk loudmouth that wants the streets to follow the line of the water.

They finally decide to lay out their half of the town.

Where they meet is Pioneer Square, which is why the streets coming in there today always seem to be at bizarre angles to each other.

More people come to Seattle. By now, the locals have formed a town council and begins providing the services of a government. The newcomers bring with them something to contribute to the community. A few lazy asses arrive, but they are ignored.

Communities growing up around Seattle started the same way.

Each of them start with NOTHING but maybe a few seeds. Each of them form their own government, their own economy, their own community from NOTHING.

Capitalism is the ONLY form of economy capable of doing this.
A republican form of government is the ONLY form that provides for the limits in government that make this possible. That limit is the constitution of that government.

Eventually, of course, Washington petitions the United States to become a State of the Union. They voluntarily do this, accepting the contract the States have written to create the federal layer, and accept the rights and responsibilities of all States of the Union. Named after the first President of the United States, and an inspired man.

All from NOTHING.


The Parrot Killer
28-09-2017 03:11
L8112
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In to the Night...you can't help yourself can you? Its like an uncontrollable itch you have to reply to me. For the record, i didn't read a single sentence of your post, so again, you wasted your time.
Edited on 28-09-2017 03:15
28-09-2017 03:18
Into the NightProfile picture★★★★★
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Wake wrote:
The "bleaching" of the great barrier reef had nothing whatsoever to do with man. It appears to be a naturally occurring event that is caused by infections.

This study is actually kind of an interesting one.

We know that coral can die off if water temperature changes too rapidly. We also know that these die-offs (no one uses bleach on corals) tend to coincide with a strong El Nino cycle, which sends colder than normal water to the reef.

We also know that when coral is stressed like this, it becomes passive. It doesn't grow at the usual rate, if at all. Sea turtles multiply in colder water at the same time, which is the coral's primary predator.

We also know that die-off's like this are short lived. The coral usually completely recovers within a couple of years or so, making the Barrier Reef one of the most beautiful places to dive.

We also know that such a die-off event is ample fodder for the eco-radicals to take pictures of it, declare it permanent (never discussing the life cycle of coral), and claim we are destroying the planer somehow....as if we could personally cause El Nino to form.


The Parrot Killer
28-09-2017 07:54
GreenMan
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L8112 wrote:
Into the Night I think you forgot to take your meds today. you are this forum's equivalent of the village idiot.

I think he is trying hard for that title, but Wake seems to be keeping his nose int he lead in that tight race.


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28-09-2017 10:42
GreenMan
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Into the Night wrote:

Commerce is predictable. It follows economic models that work. We know that people have need to buy and sell things. We know that the things in the market increase and change according to the will of the buyers and sellers of that market. We know what happens when thieves like governments enter the picture to try to seize the accumulated wealth, or micromanage it.

<snipped a bunch of comments and typical irrelevant responses from Parrot Killer>

L8112 wrote:
what does this mean?

It means you're full of shit.
L8112 wrote:
it means no 'kingdom' for you, treasures, status, wealth etc.. its all going to be flushed down the toilet as the chaotic fractal that is commerce flies apart.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Do you know how cities are built???

Let's take a modest example, l like Seattle, WA.

Before Seattle, there was nothing here but forest, rain, and a few indians.

Explorers discovered Puget Sound, <history of Seattle snipped, for brevity>

All from NOTHING.


That's quite an interesting story, Parrot Killer. But it has not much to do with what L8112 [Late One Twelve? One of the Twelve? Leaders of Humanity, who can sit with the Master?] is talking about. This is what he appears to be talking about, and I think he is absolutely correct. It's from the Bible. You just said you support your church, so you have to at least know about the Bible. It gets hard to read sometimes, though, especially when it starts talking about things in the future, that we don't want to worry about today. But you know what? It's not really about being in the good graces of the Church, or paying your tithes do stay there. Nope, not about money at all.

This is your future.

Revelation 18 says:
11 "And the merchants of the earth will weep and mourn over her, for no one buys their merchandise anymore: 12 merchandise of gold and silver, precious stones and pearls, fine linen and purple, silk and scarlet, every kind of citron wood, every kind of object of ivory, every kind of object of most precious wood, bronze, iron, and marble; 13 and cinnamon and incense, fragrant oil and frankincense, wine and oil, fine flour and wheat, cattle and sheep, horses and chariots, and bodies and souls of men. 14 The fruit that your soul longed for has gone from you, and all the things which are rich and splendid have gone from you,[e] and you shall find them no more at all. 15 The merchants of these things, who became rich by her, will stand at a distance for fear of her torment, weeping and wailing, 16 and saying, 'Alas, alas, that great city that was clothed in fine linen, purple, and scarlet, and adorned with gold and precious stones and pearls! 17 For in one hour such great riches came to nothing.' Every shipmaster, all who travel by ship, sailors, and as many as trade on the sea, stood at a distance 18 and cried out when they saw the smoke of her burning, saying, 'What is like this great city?'

19 "They threw dust on their heads and cried out, weeping and wailing, and saying, 'Alas, alas, that great city, in which all who had ships on the sea became rich by her wealth! For in one hour she is made desolate.'


That's talking about the Fall of Babylon the Great. It is the greatest empire on the earth. And so full of its self that the people have no fear. Yet they fall. It turns out that success does not necessarily mean continuity. In other words, just because you are strong and powerful in your business, and everything is going right for you, it can all change before the end of the day. And, one day, it will all change, just as L8112 is predicting.

And, logically speaking, he is right as well. We are currently living in a false economy. We are propping our current economy up by borrowing against our children and grandchildren's future wages. And at the same time, we are destroying their ability to live. How long do you think we can hold a candle that is burning at both ends, before getting burned?


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28-09-2017 19:16
GasGuzler
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GreenStuff wrote:
And, logically speaking, he is right as well. We are currently living in a false economy. We are propping our current economy up by borrowing against our children and grandchildren's future wages. And at the same time, we are destroying their ability to live. How long do you think we can hold a candle that is burning at both ends, before getting burned?


I won't address all the prophecy stuff, but I do have to ask you about this.

If you really feel this is a growing problem, why do you stand with the Democrat party, specifically the likes of Obama, who racked up more debt than all other presidents combined?
Edited on 28-09-2017 19:18
28-09-2017 21:16
litesong
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"old sick silly sleepy sleezy slimy steenkin' filthy vile reprobate rooting (& rotting) racist pukey proud pig AGW denier liar whiner gazzzed & guzzzling" gushed: .... find myself in the top 10% of income earners. Why do I need to feed those who are.....

"old sick silly sleepy sleezy slimy steenkin' filthy vile reprobate rooting (& rotting) racist pukey proud pig AGW denier liar whiner gazzzed & guzzzling" believes rich people work 3000 times harder than poor people.
28-09-2017 21:28
GasGuzler
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litesong wrote:
"old sick silly sleepy sleezy slimy steenkin' filthy vile reprobate rooting (& rotting) racist pukey proud pig AGW denier liar whiner gazzzed & guzzzling" gushed: .... find myself in the top 10% of income earners. Why do I need to feed those who are.....

"old sick silly sleepy sleezy slimy steenkin' filthy vile reprobate rooting (& rotting) racist pukey proud pig AGW denier liar whiner gazzzed & guzzzling" believes rich people work 3000 times harder than poor people.


Nope, but they often work smarter. BIG difference. It's all about the value of the product, service or labor you PRODUCE that determines YOUR value.
Edited on 28-09-2017 21:31
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