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The False Assumption of the Election26-12-2020 01:51
IBdaMannProfile picture★★★★★
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So, the MSM spreads dishonest propaganda ... and Big Tech censors the truth, all to inculcate a false understanding among the public, i.e. that Biden is now the President, that Trump is out and that it is over, done, finit, settled science, not even debatable ... in order to falsely embolden their dishonest base and to pervade hopelessness among those who don't want Biden to be President.

The vehicle being used is the false assumption that the official determination for President, which happens on January 6th, somehow already happened on December 14th, ... that the Constitutionally-granted plenary power of State legislatures to appoint their electors somehow ended on December 14th with the supposed finalization of the decision.

Ergo, it has become impossible to have any rational discussion with any Trump-hater about possible outcomes of January 6th because, in his mind, nothing is going to happen on January 6th, ... the result was already somehow determined December 14th.

Therefore the stage is set. When Trump becomes President as a result of what transpires on January 6th, the MSM and all Trump-haters will shout in unison that despot Trump is simply refusing to cede power despite a "free and fair election" that selected Biden in "historically record fashion."

At this point I know you're wondering "IBDaMann, how is it possible that you are so clairvoyant? How do you read the future like an open book?"

It's a gift. The truth of these matters just comes to me.

I'm here through Thursday.

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A Spaghetti strainer with the faucet running, retains water- tmiddles

Clouds don't trap heat. Clouds block cold. - Spongy Iris

Printing dollars to pay debt doesn't increase the number of dollars. - keepit

If Venus were a black body it would have a much much lower temperature than what we found there.- tmiddles

Ah the "Valid Data" myth of ITN/IBD. - tmiddles

Ceist - I couldn't agree with you more. But when money and religion are involved, and there are people who value them above all else, then the lies begin. - trafn

You are completely misunderstanding their use of the word "accumulation"! - Climate Scientist.

The Stefan-Boltzman equation doesn't come up with the correct temperature if greenhouse gases are not considered - Hank

:*sigh* Not the "raw data" crap. - Leafsdude

IB STILL hasn't explained what Planck's Law means. Just more hand waving that it applies to everything and more asserting that the greenhouse effect 'violates' it.- Ceist
26-12-2020 02:03
duncan61
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All I can say to that is WOW.So the whole world is wrong and you are right.On the fun side of life China banned our coal so Russia bought our super grade coal and sold their brown crap to China for more than they paid for our good stuff.lifes like that.I have read Bill Bryson and I get the impression there is a lot of middle America that live well and wonder where all this stuff comes from
26-12-2020 02:49
IBdaMannProfile picture★★★★★
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duncan61 wrote: So the whole world is wrong and you are right.

All I can say to that is that you have suddenly become a dumbschit. When did you suddenly come to believe that you somehow speak for the whole world? Was it when you gullibly fell for the scam that CO2 somehow has magical superpowers to defy physics? Was it when you dropped out of school? When?

How did someone so completely scientifically illiterate such as yourself come to believe that you are some sort of scientific genius? How is that all physics is wrong but you are right?

On the fun side of life, George Sorros has been banned from six countries. It seems that We the People of the United States of America aren't the only ones who hate the sort of socialist schit Austalians just eat up like starving rats.

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A Spaghetti strainer with the faucet running, retains water- tmiddles

Clouds don't trap heat. Clouds block cold. - Spongy Iris

Printing dollars to pay debt doesn't increase the number of dollars. - keepit

If Venus were a black body it would have a much much lower temperature than what we found there.- tmiddles

Ah the "Valid Data" myth of ITN/IBD. - tmiddles

Ceist - I couldn't agree with you more. But when money and religion are involved, and there are people who value them above all else, then the lies begin. - trafn

You are completely misunderstanding their use of the word "accumulation"! - Climate Scientist.

The Stefan-Boltzman equation doesn't come up with the correct temperature if greenhouse gases are not considered - Hank

:*sigh* Not the "raw data" crap. - Leafsdude

IB STILL hasn't explained what Planck's Law means. Just more hand waving that it applies to everything and more asserting that the greenhouse effect 'violates' it.- Ceist
26-12-2020 03:59
duncan61
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Nasty stuff.The Queen of England has congratulated Joe Biden on his win.I have access to international news.You attack my education when I have spent my whole life seeking the truth.My first CO2 readings you claimed the machine must be faulty.I run the device every few days and show it to any one who is interested and most people are.It is still kicking around from 390-420ppm.After 18 months of research I am now absolutely certain the small amount of extra CO2 generated by humans is doing little to nothing to the climate.The Alarmists are now conveniently leaving the warming bit out as the last 20 years has not shown a warming trend.The new big deal is quote.WE HAVE TO DO SOMETHING.I have yet to see what we are supposed to do.We have the same digestive system as a pig and can eat anything.Every Vegan I meet are tired and sickly looking.Get and eat a hamburger you dumb fukk.Not one prediction has come true and most were supposed to happen by 2000.Its nearly 2021 and man is still alive.Your man Trump is an egotistical manic just like me and I liked the way he put America first and told Nth Korea go for it bitch and we will destroy all of you.Maggie Thatcher sent the troops to the Falklands and was heavily criticised at the time but history has set the record straight.If by some miracle Trump is put back in office I will be a happy camper and I will send you a personal sorry note and a frill neck lizard.I have a spare one right here
26-12-2020 04:20
James___
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duncan61 wrote:
Nasty stuff.The Queen of England has congratulated Joe Biden on his win.I have access to international news.You attack my education when I have spent my whole life seeking the truth.My first CO2 readings you claimed the machine must be faulty.I run the device every few days and show it to any one who is interested and most people are.It is still kicking around from 390-420ppm.After 18 months of research I am now absolutely certain the small amount of extra CO2 generated by humans is doing little to nothing to the climate.The Alarmists are now conveniently leaving the warming bit out as the last 20 years has not shown a warming trend.The new big deal is quote.WE HAVE TO DO SOMETHING.I have yet to see what we are supposed to do.We have the same digestive system as a pig and can eat anything.Every Vegan I meet are tired and sickly looking.Get and eat a hamburger you dumb fukk.Not one prediction has come true and most were supposed to happen by 2000.Its nearly 2021 and man is still alive.Your man Trump is an egotistical manic just like me and I liked the way he put America first and told Nth Korea go for it bitch and we will destroy all of you.Maggie Thatcher sent the troops to the Falklands and was heavily criticised at the time but history has set the record straight.If by some miracle Trump is put back in office I will be a happy camper and I will send you a personal sorry note and a frill neck lizard.I have a spare one right here



With some of the guys in here, have no idea what they're talking about. With American politics, it's like living in a 3rd world country.
26-12-2020 07:43
IBdaMannProfile picture★★★★★
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duncan61 wrote:You attack my education when I have spent my whole life seeking the truth.

I'm not buying it. You don't seek the truth. You seek to validate your own fuuuuked-up religious beliefs that are no better than any other warmizombie's WACKY dogma.

You believe in Greenhouse Effect and you believe that CO2 has magical superpowers to defy physics. You believe this because you are a scientifically illiterate moron who doesn't care about science but only about your fuuuked-up religion. You do not seek any truth so don't give me your crap.

When you can stop saying that "There's not enough CO2 for its magical heat-creating superpowers to make any substantial difference" and instead start saying "CO2 has absolutely no magical superpower to defy physics and to cause matter to spontaneously increase in temperature, including the earth" then you will have taken your first step to abandoning your fuuuuked-up religion and to pursuing truth. Until then, you are just another purveyor of misinformation.

You readily admit that you regurgitate the dogma taught to you by the ministers of your faith ... regardless of what science says. You will say the stupidest things just because you are told to say them. You are no better than any other warmizombie.

duncan61 wrote: The Alarmists are now conveniently leaving the warming bit out as the last 20 years has not shown a warming trend.

Let's just classify all of you under the appropriate label of "misinformationists."

Your posts should really just focus on how much you hate science and how much you need for someone else to do your thinking for you, someone to whom you can point and say "I trust the dogma my minister spews, not some science!"

duncan61 wrote: WE HAVE TO DO SOMETHING.

Great. You are arguing that we don't "have to do anything." Unfortunately, you have decided to champion the absurd argument that the reason we don't have to do anything is that despite CO2's magical superpower to defy physics, there just isn't enough CO2 to require us to do anything. This is the argument of a moron. Why don't you just argue that if we do anything, men from Mars will burn your hair? Stupid.

duncan61 wrote:If by some miracle Trump is put back in office

This statement is offensive to Americans because it implies that Trump's reelection will require a miracle as opposed to provisions established in the Constitution. It implies that the American Founders established some ordinary oligarchy and not the exceptionally well-thought out republic that allows for State legislatures to compensate for some political party's attempt to steal an election.

Ergo, Trump's reelection will simply be due to either State legislatures doing the right thing or the 12th Amendment overriding the election fraud.

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A Spaghetti strainer with the faucet running, retains water- tmiddles

Clouds don't trap heat. Clouds block cold. - Spongy Iris

Printing dollars to pay debt doesn't increase the number of dollars. - keepit

If Venus were a black body it would have a much much lower temperature than what we found there.- tmiddles

Ah the "Valid Data" myth of ITN/IBD. - tmiddles

Ceist - I couldn't agree with you more. But when money and religion are involved, and there are people who value them above all else, then the lies begin. - trafn

You are completely misunderstanding their use of the word "accumulation"! - Climate Scientist.

The Stefan-Boltzman equation doesn't come up with the correct temperature if greenhouse gases are not considered - Hank

:*sigh* Not the "raw data" crap. - Leafsdude

IB STILL hasn't explained what Planck's Law means. Just more hand waving that it applies to everything and more asserting that the greenhouse effect 'violates' it.- Ceist
26-12-2020 08:20
duncan61
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My statement is not offensive to all Americans.Some one must have voted for Joe.Buddy once the personal insults start reality flies out the window.How can you possibly claim I believe in global warming after all my posts.Do you not want a frill neck lizard?there quite cute
26-12-2020 09:28
Into the NightProfile picture★★★★★
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duncan61 wrote:
Nasty stuff.The Queen of England has congratulated Joe Biden on his win.I have access to international news.You attack my education when I have spent my whole life seeking the truth.My first CO2 readings you claimed the machine must be faulty.I run the device every few days and show it to any one who is interested and most people are.It is still kicking around from 390-420ppm.After 18 months of research I am now absolutely certain the small amount of extra CO2 generated by humans is doing little to nothing to the climate.The Alarmists are now conveniently leaving the warming bit out as the last 20 years has not shown a warming trend.The new big deal is quote.WE HAVE TO DO SOMETHING.I have yet to see what we are supposed to do.We have the same digestive system as a pig and can eat anything.Every Vegan I meet are tired and sickly looking.Get and eat a hamburger you dumb fukk.Not one prediction has come true and most were supposed to happen by 2000.Its nearly 2021 and man is still alive.Your man Trump is an egotistical manic just like me and I liked the way he put America first and told Nth Korea go for it bitch and we will destroy all of you.Maggie Thatcher sent the troops to the Falklands and was heavily criticised at the time but history has set the record straight.If by some miracle Trump is put back in office I will be a happy camper and I will send you a personal sorry note and a frill neck lizard.I have a spare one right here

Well, you haven't found the truth.

It is not possible to measure the temperature of the Earth, yet you speak of 'trends'. There is no base for a trend in any timer interval (such as your arbitrarily chosen 20 years). Base rate fallacy. Argument from randU fallacy.

It is not possible to measure the global atmospheric CO2 contents either. You readings with your meter are not global readings, but only the readings at the time and location you took the reading.

No gas or vapor has the capability to warm the Earth. Nada. Zero. Zip. Nan. CO2 has ZERO effect on the temperature of the Earth. You can't create energy out of nothing. Attempting to do so is violating the 1st law of thermodynamics. You can't reduce entropy. Attempting to do so is violating the 2nd law of thermodynamics. You can't heat the surface using a colder gas.

You can't trap heat.
You can't trap light.
You can't trap thermal energy. There is always heat.


The Parrot Killer

Debunked in my sig. - tmiddles

Google keeps track of paranoid talk and i'm not on their list. I've been evaluated and certified. - keepit

nuclear powered ships do not require nuclear fuel. - Swan
26-12-2020 09:32
Into the NightProfile picture★★★★★
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duncan61 wrote:
My statement is not offensive to all Americans.

It is offensive to anyone that upholds the Constitution of the United States.
duncan61 wrote:
Some one must have voted for Joe.

Sure. But how many? We don't know. The elections in several States has faulted due to election fraud by Democrats.
duncan61 wrote:
Buddy once the personal insults start reality flies out the window.How can you possibly claim I believe in global warming after all my posts.Do you not want a frill neck lizard?there quite cute

Because you yourself claimed that CO2 somehow has magick properties to warm the Earth.


The Parrot Killer

Debunked in my sig. - tmiddles

Google keeps track of paranoid talk and i'm not on their list. I've been evaluated and certified. - keepit

nuclear powered ships do not require nuclear fuel. - Swan
26-12-2020 13:46
duncan61
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Don Easterbrook agreed that CO2 has the ability to reflect certain wavelengths of light but the amount is miniscule.Local temperature trends can be monitored but I agree the global average can not be known.You may have noticed DRKTS has stopped posting his warming crap because it has stopped.The trend has moved now the claim is CO2 causes the climate change and the warming planet reason has been left out.I do not believe we have the ability to terraform the planet and as I have said many times why is a degree that bad.My latest discovery is that the IPCC models are still working on coal usage going up 30% every decade however world wide coal consumption is down more than 10% from 2000.The only coal fired plant in W.A. is at collie and only 7 and 8 are running.1-6 are completely out of commision because they are to old and 7-8 will be shut of in 2023.the bulk of Perths power comes from Wagerup aluminium refinery and that has 2 gas turbines that are ridiculously efficient.I have gone up the staircase and looked down the stack and all that is coming out the exhaust is a bit of warm air.The mythbusters tested the CO2 theory by having 2 control boxes and a box with CO2 and a box with methane.They placed heat lamps all the same set up and put a small ice statue in each box.Sure thing the box with pumped in CO2 went to 28.8C and the 2 controls went to 28.0C when this happened they claimed mythbusted but what was observed was the temperature stayed the same ofter the initial start up.Upon more questioning it was found the percentage of CO2 worked out at 75000ppm so stop claiming it does nothing.It does something just not a lot.Appreciate your loyalty to IBDM but I am going with the plus 50 youtubes I have seen and the scientists who agree there is more CO2 its manmade but so what its doing stuff all except making the planet greener.Chad and Niger are getting more rain than before and the rainforest is starting to grow in to the Sahara desert and the penis heads think this is bad as well.The Sahara was a rainforest in the Holocene
26-12-2020 14:38
IBdaMannProfile picture★★★★★
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duncan61 wrote:How can you possibly claim I believe in global warming after all my posts.

You're being dishonest.

I pointed out your stupidly belief that CO2 has magical superpowers to defy physics, specifically to cause matter to spontaneously increase in temperature without additional energy.

Of course you don't deny this. Instead, you coyly fire back a question about Global Warming which you won't formally define so as to not specify your WACKY belief in CO2's magical superpowers.

How have your slavemasters ordered you to define the global climate? Do you not watch the program that you enjoy so much?

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A Spaghetti strainer with the faucet running, retains water- tmiddles

Clouds don't trap heat. Clouds block cold. - Spongy Iris

Printing dollars to pay debt doesn't increase the number of dollars. - keepit

If Venus were a black body it would have a much much lower temperature than what we found there.- tmiddles

Ah the "Valid Data" myth of ITN/IBD. - tmiddles

Ceist - I couldn't agree with you more. But when money and religion are involved, and there are people who value them above all else, then the lies begin. - trafn

You are completely misunderstanding their use of the word "accumulation"! - Climate Scientist.

The Stefan-Boltzman equation doesn't come up with the correct temperature if greenhouse gases are not considered - Hank

:*sigh* Not the "raw data" crap. - Leafsdude

IB STILL hasn't explained what Planck's Law means. Just more hand waving that it applies to everything and more asserting that the greenhouse effect 'violates' it.- Ceist
26-12-2020 14:56
IBdaMannProfile picture★★★★★
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duncan61 wrote:Don Easterbrook agreed that CO2 has the ability to reflect certain wavelengths of light but the amount is miniscule.

Does Don Easterbrook agree that mirrors reflect certain wavelengths of light too?

What are his, and your, specific conclusions about "certain wavelengths of light" being reflected? Do mirrors increase the earth's average global temperature, just not enough that we need to do anything?

duncan61 wrote:Local temperature trends can be monitored

Awesome! You get trends from random events. I don't. Lucky you.

When you flip a coin, what trend do you get?


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A Spaghetti strainer with the faucet running, retains water- tmiddles

Clouds don't trap heat. Clouds block cold. - Spongy Iris

Printing dollars to pay debt doesn't increase the number of dollars. - keepit

If Venus were a black body it would have a much much lower temperature than what we found there.- tmiddles

Ah the "Valid Data" myth of ITN/IBD. - tmiddles

Ceist - I couldn't agree with you more. But when money and religion are involved, and there are people who value them above all else, then the lies begin. - trafn

You are completely misunderstanding their use of the word "accumulation"! - Climate Scientist.

The Stefan-Boltzman equation doesn't come up with the correct temperature if greenhouse gases are not considered - Hank

:*sigh* Not the "raw data" crap. - Leafsdude

IB STILL hasn't explained what Planck's Law means. Just more hand waving that it applies to everything and more asserting that the greenhouse effect 'violates' it.- Ceist
26-12-2020 18:43
duncan61
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Have you seen Don Easterbrooks presentation to the climate council.Where do mirrors come in to play I do not see any in the sky.CDN show the average temperature for a year in a city in Canada in 1919 and 2019 and you can not tell which is which until shown the full chart as they are so similar.You can not tell me what I think as it calls for the operation of my mind.I stole that from judge judy.I enjoy more freedom than most people as I am 59 all my children are adults and I work part time doing Airtasker jobs and a bit of plumbing as I feel like it.I know not of these slavemasters you seem to be so familar with
26-12-2020 18:48
tmiddlesProfile picture★★★★★
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IBdaMann wrote:
So, the MSM...
I just want to know how that popcorn's tasting?
26-12-2020 18:49
duncan61
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Carbon dioxide strongly absorbs energy with a wavelength of 15 μm (micrometers). This makes carbon dioxide a good absorber of wavelengths falling in the infrared radiation region of the spectrum.Dec 2, 2019

I copied and pasted this as I was curious as well.Let me guess.this is not true
26-12-2020 18:52
duncan61
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What happens if you spin a coin on a mirror??Are you using smoke and mirrors??LOL
26-12-2020 19:32
IBdaMannProfile picture★★★★★
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duncan61 wrote:
Carbon dioxide strongly absorbs energy with a wavelength of 15 μm (micrometers). This makes carbon dioxide a good absorber of wavelengths falling in the infrared radiation region of the spectrum.Dec 2, 2019

I copied and pasted this as I was curious as well.Let me guess.this is not true

It is irrelevant.

Temperature cannot increase without additional energy. No body of matter spontaneously increases in temperature without additional energy.

You are simply describing energy changing form but not acquiring any more of it. How do you pretend the earth somehow increases in temperature with only the same amount of energy merely changing form?

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A Spaghetti strainer with the faucet running, retains water- tmiddles

Clouds don't trap heat. Clouds block cold. - Spongy Iris

Printing dollars to pay debt doesn't increase the number of dollars. - keepit

If Venus were a black body it would have a much much lower temperature than what we found there.- tmiddles

Ah the "Valid Data" myth of ITN/IBD. - tmiddles

Ceist - I couldn't agree with you more. But when money and religion are involved, and there are people who value them above all else, then the lies begin. - trafn

You are completely misunderstanding their use of the word "accumulation"! - Climate Scientist.

The Stefan-Boltzman equation doesn't come up with the correct temperature if greenhouse gases are not considered - Hank

:*sigh* Not the "raw data" crap. - Leafsdude

IB STILL hasn't explained what Planck's Law means. Just more hand waving that it applies to everything and more asserting that the greenhouse effect 'violates' it.- Ceist
26-12-2020 20:27
tmiddlesProfile picture★★★★★
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IBdaMann wrote:
Temperature cannot increase without additional energy.

And here IBD again pretends that a "rate" is a "fixed amount". Of course it is not. That would be like claiming no one making only $15 an hour could possibly have $1000.

The sun's energy does not determine a maximum temperature for some portion of an object exposed to it's radiance. Venus is 500 degrees hotter than Earth at ground level yet it's only a bit closer (0.7 to our 1.0). This proves that IBD's concept is false. His only rebuttal to this is to pretend we don't know Venus is extremely hot.

Dealt with long ago. You'll find IBD, ITN and the gang ducked out.
1st law
https://www.climate-debate.com/forum/venus-is-hotter-than-mercury--d6-e2710-s560.php#post_53018
Planck's law
https://www.climate-debate.com/forum/venus-is-hotter-than-mercury--d6-e2710-s680.php#post_53548

Mmmmm! enjoy IBD. You earned it.

"Good tests kill flawed theories; we remain alive to guess again." - Karl Popper
ITN/IBD Fraud exposed:  The 2nd LTD add on claiming radiance from cooler bodies can't be absorbed Max Planck debunks, they can't explain:net-thermal-radiation-you-in-a-room-as-a-reference & Proof: no data is valid for IBD or ITN
Edited on 26-12-2020 20:33
26-12-2020 21:28
IBdaMannProfile picture★★★★★
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tgoebbles wrote:And here IBD again pretends that a "rate" is a "fixed amount".

And here tgoebbles again pretends that his imaginary audience of Black Lives Matter rioters are eagerly eating up every word he writes.

tgoebbles wrote: The sun's energy does not determine a maximum temperature for some portion of an object exposed to it's radiance.

And here tgoebbles again tells us some irrelevant, uninteresting and often unintelligible trivia of what something does NOT mean. Boy, that's informative.

tgoebbles wrote: Venus is 500 degrees hotter than Earth at ground level

And here togebbles once again amazes us with his omniscience and his breakthrough revelation that the bottom of Venus' atmosphere is one, single, solitary uniform temperature across the entire planet.

tgoebbles wrote: This proves that IBD's concept is false.

And here tgoebbles again pretends that I have made some sort of bogus claim and that he is again showing me to be wrong. Normally he informs me of the bogus position that I presumably hold but this time it's going to be an exciting surprise!

tgoebbles wrote: His only rebuttal to this is to pretend we don't know Venus is extremely hot.

Wait, is this it? Is this today's bogus position assignment, i.e. that I pretend Venus isn't hot? Oh, OK, I'll play along ...

Darn, I almost got away with pretending that Venus isn't hot, if only it weren't for those meddling KIDS!

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A Spaghetti strainer with the faucet running, retains water- tmiddles

Clouds don't trap heat. Clouds block cold. - Spongy Iris

Printing dollars to pay debt doesn't increase the number of dollars. - keepit

If Venus were a black body it would have a much much lower temperature than what we found there.- tmiddles

Ah the "Valid Data" myth of ITN/IBD. - tmiddles

Ceist - I couldn't agree with you more. But when money and religion are involved, and there are people who value them above all else, then the lies begin. - trafn

You are completely misunderstanding their use of the word "accumulation"! - Climate Scientist.

The Stefan-Boltzman equation doesn't come up with the correct temperature if greenhouse gases are not considered - Hank

:*sigh* Not the "raw data" crap. - Leafsdude

IB STILL hasn't explained what Planck's Law means. Just more hand waving that it applies to everything and more asserting that the greenhouse effect 'violates' it.- Ceist
26-12-2020 22:54
Into the NightProfile picture★★★★★
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duncan61 wrote:
Don Easterbrook agreed that CO2 has the ability to reflect certain wavelengths of light

Light is not necessarily heat. You cannot heat a warmer surface using a colder gas. All gases reflect certain wavelengths of light, are transparent to certain wavelengths of light, and absorb certain wavelengths of light. Big hairy deal.
duncan61 wrote:
but the amount is miniscule.

CO2 has NO ability to warm the Earth. Zero. Zip. Nada. Nan.
duncan61 wrote:
Local temperature trends can be monitored

Define 'temperature trend'.
duncan61 wrote:
but I agree the global average can not be known.

Yet you claim it does. Which is it, dude? You are now locked in paradox.
duncan61 wrote:
You may have noticed DRKTS has stopped posting his warming crap because it has stopped.

Irrational. You cannot argue both sides of a paradox.

Hint: It is not possible to measure the temperature of the Earth, or of any region of Earth. All you can do is measure the temperature at the weather station.
duncan61 wrote:
The trend has moved now the claim is CO2 causes the climate change

Define 'climate change'.
duncan61 wrote:
and the warming planet reason has been left out.

Define 'global warming'.
duncan61 wrote:
I do not believe we have the ability to terraform the planet and as I have said many times why is a degree that bad.

Yet you claim we do. Paradox. Which is it, dude? Arguing both sides of a paradox is irrational.
duncan61 wrote:
My latest discovery is that the IPCC models are still working on coal usage going up 30% every decade however world wide coal consumption is down more than 10% from 2000.The only coal fired plant in W.A. is at collie and only 7 and 8 are running.1-6 are completely out of commision because they are to old and 7-8 will be shut of in 2023.the bulk of Perths power comes from Wagerup aluminium refinery and that has 2 gas turbines that are ridiculously efficient.

The IPCC denies and ignores physics and mathematics. Their models are based on complete fiction. False authority fallacy.
duncan61 wrote:
I have gone up the staircase and looked down the stack and all that is coming out the exhaust is a bit of warm air.

So?
duncan61 wrote:
The mythbusters tested the CO2 theory by having 2 control boxes and a box with CO2 and a box with methane.They placed heat lamps all the same set up and put a small ice statue in each box.Sure thing the box with pumped in CO2 went to 28.8C and the 2 controls went to 28.0C when this happened they claimed mythbusted but what was observed was the temperature stayed the same ofter the initial start up.Upon more questioning it was found the percentage of CO2 worked out at 75000ppm so stop claiming it does nothing.

Ah. You fell for this popular parlor trick. No, all this shows is that CO2 absorbs certain frequencies of infrared energy. You cannot heat the warmer surface using a colder gas. You cannot trap light. You cannot trap heat. You cannot reduce entropy....ever. See the 2nd law of thermodynamics.
duncan61 wrote:
It does something just not a lot.

NOTHING. ZERO. ZIP. NADA. NAN. I emphasize that you cannot create energy out of nothing. You cannot reduce entropy anywhere. You cannot trap light...any of it. You cannot trap heat...any of it. You cannot trap thermal energy...any of it. There is always heat.
duncan61 wrote:
Appreciate your loyalty to IBDM but I am going with the plus 50 youtubes I have seen

Science is not Youtube. False authority fallacy. Science does not use consensus.
duncan61 wrote:
and the scientists who agree

Science is not scientists. Science does not use consensus. There is no 'elite voting bloc' in science.
duncan61 wrote:
there is more CO2

It is not possible to measure the global atmospheric CO2 content.
duncan61 wrote:
its manmade

It is not possible to determine of source of any CO2 molecule.
duncan61 wrote:
but so what its doing stuff all except making the planet greener.

It is not possible to measure the global amount of vegetation on Earth.
duncan61 wrote:
Chad and Niger are getting more rain than before

It is not possible to measure the precipitation of Earth or of any region of Earth. You can only measure the precipitation reaching the ground at a weather station.
duncan61 wrote:
and the rainforest is starting to grow in to the Sahara desert

There is no rain forest in the Sahara desert. It's well...a desert.
duncan61 wrote:
and the penis heads think this is bad as well.

I have no idea who you are referring to and a I don't care. Insult fallacy.
duncan61 wrote:
The Sahara was a rainforest in the Holocene

You have no idea of the location of Africa or it's condition during the so-called Holocene period. You are guessing.


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26-12-2020 23:00
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duncan61 wrote:
Have you seen Don Easterbrooks presentation to the climate council.

Who cares? Don Easterbrook is not science. Science is a set of falsifiable theories. No one owns science.
duncan61 wrote:
Where do mirrors come in to play I do not see any in the sky.

Mirrors reflect certain frequencies of light, just as CO2 does. They are transparent to other frequencies of light, just as CO2 is. It absorbs certain frequencies of light, just as CO2 does.
duncan61 wrote:
CDN show the average temperature for a year in a city in Canada in 1919 and 2019 and you can not tell which is which until shown the full chart as they are so similar.

It is not possible to know the temperature of a city.
duncan61 wrote:
You can not tell me what I think as it calls for the operation of my mind.

He can. You are making it very clear in your posts. This is a communications system and you are communicating on it. That is revealing your thoughts.
duncan61 wrote:
I stole that from judge judy.

TV shows are not a way to learn about life, pal.
duncan61 wrote:
I enjoy more freedom than most people as I am 59 all my children are adults and I work part time doing Airtasker jobs and a bit of plumbing as I feel like it.I know not of these slavemasters you seem to be so familar with

You do. You watch them on TV. They have enslaved your mind into various religions. The Church of Global Warming is a religion. The Church of Green is a religion. They are both fundamentalist style religions.

Define 'global warming. Define 'climate change'.


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26-12-2020 23:03
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duncan61 wrote:
Carbon dioxide strongly absorbs energy with a wavelength of 15 μm (micrometers). This makes carbon dioxide a good absorber of wavelengths falling in the infrared radiation region of the spectrum.Dec 2, 2019

I copied and pasted this as I was curious as well.Let me guess.this is not true


Carbon dioxide, like any gas or any substance, absorbs certain frequencies of light, including frequencies in the infrared band. So?

You cannot heat the surface using a colder gas.


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26-12-2020 23:03
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duncan61 wrote:
What happens if you spin a coin on a mirror??Are you using smoke and mirrors??LOL


Nah. Just a coin and mirror.


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26-12-2020 23:07
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tmiddles wrote:
IBdaMann wrote:
Temperature cannot increase without additional energy.

And here IBD again pretends that a "rate" is a "fixed amount". Of course it is not. That would be like claiming no one making only $15 an hour could possibly have $1000.

False equivalence. Zero is zero. You cannot reduce entropy.
tmiddles wrote:
The sun's energy does not determine a maximum temperature for some portion of an object exposed to it's radiance. Venus is 500 degrees hotter than Earth at ground level yet it's only a bit closer (0.7 to our 1.0). This proves that IBD's concept is false. His only rebuttal to this is to pretend we don't know Venus is extremely hot.

The temperature of Venus is unknown. The temperature of Earth is unknown. Argument from randU fallacy.
tmiddles wrote:
Dealt with long ago. You'll find IBD, ITN and the gang ducked out.
...deleted spam...

Inversion fallacy. Answer the questions put to you.


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26-12-2020 23:29
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IBdaMann wrote:
tmiddles wrote:
Dealt with long ago. You'll find IBD, ITN and the gang ducked out.
1st law
https://www.climate-debate.com/forum/venus-is-hotter-than-mercury--d6-e2710-s560.php#post_53018
Planck's law
https://www.climate-debate.com/forum/venus-is-hotter-than-mercury--d6-e2710-s680.php#post_53548.
Wait, is this it?...
Yes, been it all along.

"Good tests kill flawed theories; we remain alive to guess again." - Karl Popper
ITN/IBD Fraud exposed:  The 2nd LTD add on claiming radiance from cooler bodies can't be absorbed Max Planck debunks, they can't explain:net-thermal-radiation-you-in-a-room-as-a-reference & Proof: no data is valid for IBD or ITN
27-12-2020 01:18
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The theory is the energy being absorbed by CO2 is not radiating out to space so it must make it warmer.The only problem is it is not that simple and is not happening.I do not have TV all my stuff is from the internet and I watch both sides of the debate and make up my own mind on what is more credible.I came in to this with an open mind and it has been fun.I felt the need to have answers when discussing this subject.I switched out a wall mount aircon for a little old lady Thursday and the GPS put me 100 feet to far down the road.When I turned around she was out the front and said it happens all the time which gave me opportunity to declare that NASA claim to be able to measure sea level to millimetres and we had a good yarn about all the things that were going to happen and never did.This is the world according to Dunc
.Sea levels have not changed
.The polar caps have not melted any more than seasonally usual
.Global temperature is not increasing
.Wildlife is not being affected
.There is no increase in storms or cyclones
27-12-2020 05:01
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duncan61 wrote: The theory is the energy being absorbed by CO2 is not radiating out to space so it must make it warmer.

This is a direct violation of the Stefan-Boltzmann law.

In correct terminology, you are claiming that the CO2 reduces earth's radiance thereby increasing earth's temperature. Stefan-Boltzmann, i.e. physics, tells us that radiance and temperature necessarily move in the same direction. If earth's temperature increases then obviously its radiance increases, not decreases. If you tell me that earth's radiance has decreased then you have told me that earth's temperature has decreased, not increased.

You have to admit that it takes a special type of gullible to believe a WACKY dogma that says earth's temperature increases and its radiance nonetheless decreases. After all, we all learned when we were children that when things are hotter, they radiate MORE, not less.

But you're saying that you bought that whole "radiance and temperature moving in opposite directions" line? Well, do you feel stupid? Are you going to continue believing your WACKY religious dogma or are you going to start accepting science?

I'm just curious.

duncan61 wrote:Sea levels have not changed

No one really knows if the ocean level has changed, but anyone can observe that sea levels have not changed discernibly. We can also note that the complete absence of any rational reason to believe that the ocean level will be changing discernibly.

duncan61 wrote:The polar caps have not melted any more than seasonally usual

There is no rational reason to believe that the earth's quantity of ice is any quantity different from any other time in human history nor is there any rational reason to believe that there will be any discernible change in earth's ice quantity in the foreseeable future.

duncan61 wrote:.Global temperature is not increasing

No one knows if the earth's average global temperature is changing or not, but no one has any rational reason to believe any such change is occurring.

duncan61 wrote:.Wildlife is not being affected

... by what?

You have to specify some phenomenon in that assertion and it has to be clearly and unambiguously defined.


duncan61 wrote:There is no increase in storms or cyclones

Because storms are discrete events, they can be counted. The quantity of what we define as a storm can certainly increase from one year to the next. The strength/wind-speed of storms within a given period of a given year can be measured and that value can certainly increase in a following year.

There is no rational reason to believe that average global storm activity is somehow increasing, or even changing.


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A Spaghetti strainer with the faucet running, retains water- tmiddles

Clouds don't trap heat. Clouds block cold. - Spongy Iris

Printing dollars to pay debt doesn't increase the number of dollars. - keepit

If Venus were a black body it would have a much much lower temperature than what we found there.- tmiddles

Ah the "Valid Data" myth of ITN/IBD. - tmiddles

Ceist - I couldn't agree with you more. But when money and religion are involved, and there are people who value them above all else, then the lies begin. - trafn

You are completely misunderstanding their use of the word "accumulation"! - Climate Scientist.

The Stefan-Boltzman equation doesn't come up with the correct temperature if greenhouse gases are not considered - Hank

:*sigh* Not the "raw data" crap. - Leafsdude

IB STILL hasn't explained what Planck's Law means. Just more hand waving that it applies to everything and more asserting that the greenhouse effect 'violates' it.- Ceist
27-12-2020 06:28
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duncan61 wrote:
The theory is the energy being absorbed by CO2 is not radiating out to space so it must make it warmer.
No one has that theory.

Temperature is the quantity of thermal energy that is present. "Present" does not mean "trapped". If you look at a freeway with heavy traffic it does not mean the cars never leave. Changing the traffic of thermal energy is what CO2 does. It's a speed bump.

duncan61 wrote:The only problem is it is not that simple and is not happening.
This assertion means you are even more confident than NASA, Al Gore and Bill Nye that we can measure the change. Are you?

You can't have it both ways.

Either they can't measure so we don't know or they can and you claim a different conclusion based on reliable measurements.

"Good tests kill flawed theories; we remain alive to guess again." - Karl Popper
ITN/IBD Fraud exposed:  The 2nd LTD add on claiming radiance from cooler bodies can't be absorbed Max Planck debunks, they can't explain:net-thermal-radiation-you-in-a-room-as-a-reference & Proof: no data is valid for IBD or ITN
Edited on 27-12-2020 06:28
27-12-2020 06:54
duncan61
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Yes I am confident that NASA Al gore and Bill Nye have got it wrong as none of the events have transpired and they are still working of RCP 8.5 which was worst case scenario of Global emmisions which 20 years ago depended on developing nations building thousands of coal fired power stations and it just did not happen.20 years of on site data has not even exceeded best case scenario.Worldwide coal useage has dropped and coal is also cleaner and burned more efficiently.
27-12-2020 07:01
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tmiddles wrote:Changing the traffic of thermal energy is what CO2 does. It's a speed bump.

Really? In what way? Were you going to define this "speed bump" beyond mental imagery? Do you have any science that applies to your "speed bump"?

Speed bumps act to make drivers reduce their velocity. Does CO2 act to make Climate reduce the speed of infrared radiation, to something below the speed of light, for safety or for some other reason? Do you think you could say what you mean as opposed to telling us what you are NOT saying?



[ You were actually just babbling again, weren't you? ]


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A Spaghetti strainer with the faucet running, retains water- tmiddles

Clouds don't trap heat. Clouds block cold. - Spongy Iris

Printing dollars to pay debt doesn't increase the number of dollars. - keepit

If Venus were a black body it would have a much much lower temperature than what we found there.- tmiddles

Ah the "Valid Data" myth of ITN/IBD. - tmiddles

Ceist - I couldn't agree with you more. But when money and religion are involved, and there are people who value them above all else, then the lies begin. - trafn

You are completely misunderstanding their use of the word "accumulation"! - Climate Scientist.

The Stefan-Boltzman equation doesn't come up with the correct temperature if greenhouse gases are not considered - Hank

:*sigh* Not the "raw data" crap. - Leafsdude

IB STILL hasn't explained what Planck's Law means. Just more hand waving that it applies to everything and more asserting that the greenhouse effect 'violates' it.- Ceist
27-12-2020 07:41
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duncan61 wrote:
Yes I am confident that NASA Al gore and Bill Nye have got it wrong as none of the events have transpired...
So you don't belive you have measurements you can use or you do?

IBdaMann wrote:
Speed bumps act to make drivers reduce their velocity. Does CO2 act to ...reduce the speed of infrared radiation, to something below the speed of light.

Very good IBD! Yes the radiance is absorbed by CO2, coverted from radiance to thermal energy, before being re-emitted. This slows the process of solar radiance entering and leaving the atmosphere.

"Good tests kill flawed theories; we remain alive to guess again." - Karl Popper
ITN/IBD Fraud exposed:  The 2nd LTD add on claiming radiance from cooler bodies can't be absorbed Max Planck debunks, they can't explain:net-thermal-radiation-you-in-a-room-as-a-reference & Proof: no data is valid for IBD or ITN
Edited on 27-12-2020 07:47
27-12-2020 08:25
duncan61
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The modelling was out by a long way.It did not happen as it was supposed to.I can see the logic to this statement
Very good IBD! Yes the radiance is absorbed by CO2, coverted from radiance to thermal energy, before being re-emitted. This slows the process of solar radiance entering and leaving the atmosphere.Its the amount of difference it makes to the surface temperature and can you imagine how much energy you need to warm the oceans and seas of the planet.Its all being massively over estimated and know one actually knows.The IPCC will say anything to stay in existence so will NASA and NOAA.How nice would it be to live on the planet without these corrupt organisations
27-12-2020 08:37
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duncan61 wrote:
The modelling was out by a long way...
be specific. Nasa's measurements of sea level agree with your observations that not much has changed.

So where are Nasa's measurements off by a log way?

Or which models?
27-12-2020 09:32
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tmiddles wrote: Yes the radiance is absorbed by CO2, coverted from radiance to thermal energy, before being re-emitted.

Nope.

No new energy is created. There is no temperature increase and no, the radiance never falls below the speed of light.

Did you notice that, as usual, you didn't provide any science to support your WACKY claim? Hey, does CO2 cause thermal energy to flow from cooler to warmer?

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A Spaghetti strainer with the faucet running, retains water- tmiddles

Clouds don't trap heat. Clouds block cold. - Spongy Iris

Printing dollars to pay debt doesn't increase the number of dollars. - keepit

If Venus were a black body it would have a much much lower temperature than what we found there.- tmiddles

Ah the "Valid Data" myth of ITN/IBD. - tmiddles

Ceist - I couldn't agree with you more. But when money and religion are involved, and there are people who value them above all else, then the lies begin. - trafn

You are completely misunderstanding their use of the word "accumulation"! - Climate Scientist.

The Stefan-Boltzman equation doesn't come up with the correct temperature if greenhouse gases are not considered - Hank

:*sigh* Not the "raw data" crap. - Leafsdude

IB STILL hasn't explained what Planck's Law means. Just more hand waving that it applies to everything and more asserting that the greenhouse effect 'violates' it.- Ceist
27-12-2020 10:06
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The models do not account that for the last 20 years we have stopped burning coal at the rate programmed.The program kept increasing CO2 levels and did not allow for CO2 staying at 400ppm.How things are right now is how it is going to stay.NASA claim to be able to measure sea levels with Satellites and they cant it is as simple as that.What my slavemasters on CND tell me is for some reason around 2000 the tidal gauge in Hong Kong harbour showed a 2.3 mm rise so it was conveniently applied to the whole world and kept being added every year.The program on the Altimetry satellites are set to record this and they call it data.This was discussed before and I have no issue with Boulder Colorado being the set point and satellites are accurate to plus minus 100 feet not millimetres of moving ocean.My life is a civil case and it is what is most likely that I go with not guess work
27-12-2020 10:09
duncan61
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IBDM I have a question when you Americans dropped the first atomic bomb on the poor little Japanese how was all that energy created.It must of come from somewhere??
27-12-2020 10:43
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duncan61 wrote:
The models ...
what models? What's your reference?

IBdaMann wrote:
tmiddles wrote: Yes the radiance is absorbed by CO2, coverted from radiance to thermal energy, before being re-emitted.
...No new energy is created.
where do you see a claim energy was created on Earth?

The Sun supplies more energy every day at a relatively steady rate.

Hear that? More, as in additional energy arrives from the sun continuously.

Because the EARTH is not an isolated system.

"Good tests kill flawed theories; we remain alive to guess again." - Karl Popper
ITN/IBD Fraud exposed:  The 2nd LTD add on claiming radiance from cooler bodies can't be absorbed Max Planck debunks, they can't explain:net-thermal-radiation-you-in-a-room-as-a-reference & Proof: no data is valid for IBD or ITN
Edited on 27-12-2020 10:44
27-12-2020 10:51
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duncan61 wrote:
The theory is the energy being absorbed by CO2 is not radiating out to space so it must make it warmer.The only problem is it is not that simple and is not happening.I do not have TV all my stuff is from the internet and I watch both sides of the debate and make up my own mind on what is more credible.I came in to this with an open mind and it has been fun.I felt the need to have answers when discussing this subject.I switched out a wall mount aircon for a little old lady Thursday and the GPS put me 100 feet to far down the road.When I turned around she was out the front and said it happens all the time which gave me opportunity to declare that NASA claim to be able to measure sea level to millimetres and we had a good yarn about all the things that were going to happen and never did.This is the world according to Dunc
.Sea levels have not changed

It is not possible to measure a global sea level.
duncan61 wrote:
.The polar caps have not melted any more than seasonally usual

It is not possible to measure the total snow and ice at the poles.
duncan61 wrote:
.Global temperature is not increasing

It is not possible to measure the temperature of the Earth.
duncan61 wrote:
.Wildlife is not being affected

By what? Void argument fallacy.
duncan61 wrote:
.There is no increase in storms or cyclones

It is not possible to measure the total storm activity on Earth.


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27-12-2020 10:57
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tmiddles wrote:
duncan61 wrote:
The theory is the energy being absorbed by CO2 is not radiating out to space so it must make it warmer.
No one has that theory.

You just called duncan61 a no one.
tmiddles wrote:
Temperature is the quantity of thermal energy that is present.

No, it isn't. Denial of the 0th law of thermodynamics.
tmiddles wrote:
"Present" does not mean "trapped". If you look at a freeway with heavy traffic it does not mean the cars never leave. Changing the traffic of thermal energy is what CO2 does. It's a speed bump.

There is no sequence. Denial of the Stefan Boltzmann law.
tmiddles wrote:
duncan61 wrote:The only problem is it is not that simple and is not happening.
This assertion means you are even more confident than NASA, Al Gore and Bill Nye that we can measure the change. Are you?

Yes. All three of these sources deny science and mathematics.
tmiddles wrote:
You can't have it both ways.

Not arguing it both ways.
tmiddles wrote:
Either they can't measure

They can't measure the quantities being described.
tmiddles wrote:
so we don't know or they can

Yes we do. They can't measure the quantities being described.
tmiddles wrote:
and you claim a different conclusion based on reliable measurements.

None of these are reliable measurements. They are not measurements at all. An average is not data. Data is not an average.


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Edited on 27-12-2020 10:58
27-12-2020 11:01
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tmiddles wrote:
duncan61 wrote:
Yes I am confident that NASA Al gore and Bill Nye have got it wrong as none of the events have transpired...
So you don't belive you have measurements you can use or you do?

IBdaMann wrote:
Speed bumps act to make drivers reduce their velocity. Does CO2 act to ...reduce the speed of infrared radiation, to something below the speed of light.

Very good IBD! Yes the radiance is absorbed by CO2, coverted from radiance to thermal energy, before being re-emitted. This slows the process of solar radiance entering and leaving the atmosphere.


There is no sequence. There is no time interval factor in the Stefan-Boltzmann law. Denial of the Stefan-Boltzmann law. Denial of Planck's law. You cannot slow light by absorbing some of it.


The Parrot Killer

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Edited on 27-12-2020 11:03
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