The ACTUAL Percentage of Atmospheric CO2

From Wikipedia - "Carbon dioxide in Earth's atmosphere"

Following the start of the Industrial Revolution, atmospheric CO2 concentration increased to over 400 parts per million and continues to increase, causing the phenomenon of Global Warming. As of April 2019, the average monthly level of CO2 in Earth's atmosphere exceeded 413 parts per million. The daily average concentration of atmospheric CO2 at Mauna Loa Observatory first exceeded 400 ppm on 10 May 2013

duncan61 wrote:
Thanks superstar.When I buy on Ebay I normally get a released from ware house notification and a tracking code.At this point I have not had anything.

HarveyH55 wrote:

duncan61 wrote:
Thanks superstar.When I buy on Ebay I normally get a released from ware house notification and a tracking code.At this point I have not had anything.

I haven't used Ebay since the early days when they first started pushing PayPal. When are order some electronics off Amazon, and wasn't too careful about checking the seller, no shipping email in a week, almost always means it's on the slow boat from China, 4-6 weeks...

duncan61 wrote:
I have zero interest in Covid and BLM so its good to be on track again.

James___ wrote:

duncan61 wrote:
I have zero interest in Covid and BLM so its good to be on track again.

There is no back on track. What you posted has nothing to do with the topic.
The actual level of CO2 depends on what statistical analysis that you accept.

James___ wrote:

duncan61 wrote:
I have zero interest in Covid and BLM so its good to be on track again.

There is no back on track. What you posted has nothing to do with the topic.
The actual level of CO2 depends on what statistical analysis that you accept.

HarveyH55 wrote:

James___ wrote:

duncan61 wrote:
I have zero interest in Covid and BLM so its good to be on track again.

There is no back on track. What you posted has nothing to do with the topic.
The actual level of CO2 depends on what statistical analysis that you accept.

Statistical analysis is a tool, which be used to help, or misused to confuse. Computer models can be a useful tool, but they aren't God's All Seeing Eye, and give anyone the power to see past, present, and future.

Getting back om track...

How do we know the volume of the atmosphere? It's really sort of arbitrary concept, since it's size and shape is exactly set, and likely flexible in the upper limit, since there is no physical barrier. I don't think the 0.04% CO2 is accurate, since pretty much all the gasses and vapors, never remain the same levels. It's a very dynamic world we live in. Right now, Florida is experiencing high humidity, near 100%. Not likely it's the same, for the entire planet. CO2 is always going to measure higher, near sources, lower near places that consume a lot (vegetation, like forests or farms). It's really misleading to reduce most of this to a single numeric value, and claiming it settled, and unchanging. The values actually are changing all the time.

James___ wrote: Kind of why I mentioned creating a grid over the entire planet.

James___ wrote:Then everything could be measured at the same locations day after day, month after month and year after year.

James___ wrote: Then we'd find out if a trend exists.

James___ wrote: And if this current warming is anything like the Roman Warm Period

James___ wrote: then around 2400 in the common era (A.D.) things might start getting cool again.

HarveyH55 wrote:
Why does it even matter if it's warming, or cooling? We have absolutely no control or influence. We'll dress appropriately, install whatever environmental control we need in our homes. Maybe do a little indoor gardening (not the smokeable kind). We can't alter the course, nor do we understand all that crap near well enough, to be messing it up. We can adapt the way we live, and survive comfortably. Besides, I get the impression that if the vaccines fail, we are all going to die of Covid-19 next year anyway... Regardless of who wins the November election, civil war is assured. About half the country is tired of the democrat crap politics, and going to be pissed if Trump loses, because of it. Democrats are all fueled up to take over the country, one way or another. Good thing the 2nd Amendment is still as popular as ever.

HarveyH55 wrote:Why does it even matter if it's warming, or cooling?

HarveyH55 wrote: We have absolutely no control or influence.

HarveyH55 wrote: About half the country is tired of the democrat crap politics, and going to be pissed if Trump loses, because of it.

IBdaMann wrote:
I think we're going to have to wait until Trump's November landslide victory for it to be revealed that the vast bulk of the country is pissed and that all the polls were a complete sham.


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HarveyH55 wrote:

James___ wrote:

duncan61 wrote:
I have zero interest in Covid and BLM so its good to be on track again.

There is no back on track. What you posted has nothing to do with the topic.
The actual level of CO2 depends on what statistical analysis that you accept.

Statistical analysis is a tool, which be used to help, or misused to confuse.

HarveyH55 wrote:
Computer models can be a useful tool, but they aren't God's All Seeing Eye, and give anyone the power to see past, present, and future.

HarveyH55 wrote:
Getting back om track...

How do we know the volume of the atmosphere?

HarveyH55 wrote:
It's really sort of arbitrary concept, since it's size and shape is exactly set, and likely flexible in the upper limit, since there is no physical barrier.

HarveyH55 wrote:
I don't think the 0.04% CO2 is accurate, since pretty much all the gasses and vapors, never remain the same levels.

HarveyH55 wrote:
It's a very dynamic world we live in. Right now, Florida is experiencing high humidity, near 100%. Not likely it's the same, for the entire planet. CO2 is always going to measure higher, near sources, lower near places that consume a lot (vegetation, like forests or farms). It's really misleading to reduce most of this to a single numeric value, and claiming it settled, and unchanging. The values actually are changing all the time.

gfm7175 wrote:

IBdaMann wrote:
I think we're going to have to wait until Trump's November landslide victory for it to be revealed that the vast bulk of the country is pissed and that all the polls were a complete sham.


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Exactly. Having my "boots on the ground" in much of South and Central Wisconsin, I can tell you as a matter of fact that Biden is most certainly NOT "leading" Trump by ~8 points or so in Wisconsin. Outside of Dane and Milwaukee Counties (and Columbia County, which was basically half and half, as they typically are), it is a SEA of Trump signs, and not always just the mass manufactured kind like you see for Biden in Dane and Milwaukee Counties. Plenty of people have even put in the effort to make up their own custom signs, some of them quite large and extensively detailed. I can even still remember this Winter when people carved a large "Trump 2020" text into the ice of Lake Winnebago, and this spring when some fields had "Trump 2020" mowed into them.

Trump won't win WI in a landslide by any means, but I do think that he will once again squeak out a victory in the Badger State and surprise the pollsters and pundits alike.

Into the Night wrote:

gfm7175 wrote:

IBdaMann wrote:
I think we're going to have to wait until Trump's November landslide victory for it to be revealed that the vast bulk of the country is pissed and that all the polls were a complete sham.


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Exactly. Having my "boots on the ground" in much of South and Central Wisconsin, I can tell you as a matter of fact that Biden is most certainly NOT "leading" Trump by ~8 points or so in Wisconsin. Outside of Dane and Milwaukee Counties (and Columbia County, which was basically half and half, as they typically are), it is a SEA of Trump signs, and not always just the mass manufactured kind like you see for Biden in Dane and Milwaukee Counties. Plenty of people have even put in the effort to make up their own custom signs, some of them quite large and extensively detailed. I can even still remember this Winter when people carved a large "Trump 2020" text into the ice of Lake Winnebago, and this spring when some fields had "Trump 2020" mowed into them.

Trump won't win WI in a landslide by any means, but I do think that he will once again squeak out a victory in the Badger State and surprise the pollsters and pundits alike.

So long as he wins.

In the end, it's the vote of the Electoral College that will decide the President.

duncan61 wrote: Yeah for me.If I prove the CO2 Is not over 400ppm does that prove global warming is over and we can all go home in time for tea and medals

duncan61 wrote:
I went back through my deleted E-mail and found the confirmation it was paid for and processed on the 16/7 and will be shipped on the 30/7.Yeah for me.If I prove the CO2 Is not over 400ppm does that prove global warming is over and we can all go home in time for tea and medals

HarveyH55 wrote:
Just got an Amazon delivery of 50 face bras (material seems oddly similar). Probably a lifetime supply, but I could breath well with what was available locally, or given out free at work. I chose these, well because they were the cheapest, and as suspected, the least restrictive. They cover the mouth an nose, but make no seal around the edges. They actually look to be pretty well made, which was something I wasn't hoping for. I was thinking to remove the inner layer(s), to better improve them, if I do end up wear a mask more. Don't think I need to bother, little more work than expected. Spent $33 for the 50, about 66 cents each. Something similar, but contoured to make a good seal, are about $5 each. I went for the free shipping, no big hurry. Amazon had them at my door in two days...

HarveyH55 wrote:
I didn't like the paper ones at work, even harder to breath, not to mention they don't shove in the pocket well, after the temperature check. I only had one cloth mask, it was going to last the pandemic, and it was good for breathing either. Walmart and Home Depot are the only stores I shop, that enforce masks. Everywhere else, nobody says anything. It's a small town, so it's a little lax on mandates of any kind.

I have no doubts that we have at least another year of mask crap, likely closer to two. Dr. Fauci gave a dire warning about rushing the vaccine. Which was odd, since he was the one pushing it, and assuring us having one this fall was reasonable, and possible, if the trials went well. Guessing the trials aren't going quite as well as expected. I never expected a rush-job vaccine to be very effective from the start. The dosage will be kept very light, to avoid a aggressive responses, and potentially killing any one. Guessing the trials are showing a 30-40% effectiveness, which means about half that, when they go public. Basically down to 'why even bother' range. Since they were mass producing doses, starting with the first trials, they have a whole lot of basically useless vaccine. Willing to bet, that when it rolls out to the public, they are going to give two doses, maybe a week or two, a part. Even then, they still won't get 30-40% effective. We won't ever know the truth. I think they deliberately avoid pushing the antibodies testing. It's much cheaper than the PCR test, only takes a few minutes to get results too. Think they will use people that have the antibodies, from being infected in the past, as people successfully vaccinated, to boost effectiveness numbers. We should see spikes and outbreaks, like nothing before the vaccine, since a lot of people are going to have a false sense of security, after getting vaccinated.

Into the Night wrote:
Fauci was pushing it because he was hoping to be the one selling it. He didn't get the contract, so not he's throwing doubt out there.

HarveyH55 wrote:
I didn't like the paper ones at work, even harder to breath, not to mention they don't shove in the pocket well, after the temperature check. I only had one cloth mask, it was going to last the pandemic, and it was good for breathing either. Walmart and Home Depot are the only stores I shop, that enforce masks. Everywhere else, nobody says anything. It's a small town, so it's a little lax on mandates of any kind.

HarveyH55 wrote:
I have no doubts that we have at least another year of mask crap, likely closer to two. Dr. Fauci gave a dire warning about rushing the vaccine. Which was odd, since he was the one pushing it, and assuring us having one this fall was reasonable, and possible, if the trials went well. Guessing the trials aren't going quite as well as expected. I never expected a rush-job vaccine to be very effective from the start. The dosage will be kept very light, to avoid a aggressive responses, and potentially killing any one. Guessing the trials are showing a 30-40% effectiveness, which means about half that, when they go public. Basically down to 'why even bother' range. Since they were mass producing doses, starting with the first trials, they have a whole lot of basically useless vaccine. Willing to bet, that when it rolls out to the public, they are going to give two doses, maybe a week or two, a part. Even then, they still won't get 30-40% effective. We won't ever know the truth. I think they deliberately avoid pushing the antibodies testing. It's much cheaper than the PCR test, only takes a few minutes to get results too. Think they will use people that have the antibodies, from being infected in the past, as people successfully vaccinated, to boost effectiveness numbers. We should see spikes and outbreaks, like nothing before the vaccine, since a lot of people are going to have a false sense of security, after getting vaccinated.

duncan61 wrote: Hijacked thread again.Is there not forums for Facemasks somewhere else

duncan61 wrote:
I think I may be getting frustrated with not being able to measure CO2 levels.I cruised Skeptical Science again and of course the heat wave and fires in California are all man made not a pressure band and electrical storms.I will rejoin when I have some evidence and see how I go

duncan61 wrote:
I ordered it through Banggood and it stayed in China for 27 days before it was released.I might check the tracking now

IBdaMann wrote:

duncan61 wrote: Hijacked thread again.Is there not forums for Facemasks somewhere else

duncan, I some bad news. I hope you are sitting down.

One phenomenon that is causing breakdowns in science itself is the Tangent Uncertainty Principle (TUP). The theory states that the more you know about the current thread topic the less you know about the direction in which the next tangent will go, and the more you know about the direction of the current tangent the less you know about the preceding topic.

Einstein is rumored to have said "The road to Hell is paved with good posting intentions ... or wherever IBDaMann hangs out."

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One thing I forgot to mention ... this is going to sound totally retentive but I really want you to be armed like a true researcher and not summarily dismissed like DRATS.

When you take a reading, please record the time and date, please record the geographic location as accurately as you can and, I know this is going to sound like a pain in the articulate but always include the device's tolerance, i.e. "330 ppm +/- 40 ppm"

The above is required for your data to be "valid" otherwise sticklers like myself will be tempted accuse you of pulling those values out of your articulate.

When the device arrives, jot down the make and model number as it appears on the materials that are shipped ... before you throw them away. Other makes and models will be manufactured in China that look identical but are nonetheless different makes and models. For your data to be valid you must be ready to divulge the exact make and model of your device. So just jot it down and stick it in a drawer or something so you can always render it.

... and lastly, don't fudge your numbers. Only report what the device reads and don't pretend to "adjust" your data for any "known conditions." That kind of crap will get your results bounced.

Good luck.

Please include your time zone.

Also, if possible, you add value to your data by noting the elevation. I say "if possible" because you might not inherently know.

However, if you get a chance to take periodic measurements at sea level (i.e. go to the ocean/coast and hold the device just above the water), and then compare that to some other known elevation, e.g. 1 km elevation, you (or others) can construct a notional CO2 elevation gradient! CO2 is heavier than O2 or N2 so it tends to "settle" downward, i.e. you SHOULD expect a somewhat higher reading at sea level than you get at higher altitudes, but winds can very easily throw a wrench into that intake.

In short, measuring in the front garden every day is certainly good. You add value if you can afix two open-air locations, one at sea level and one at a higher elevation, and take a few periodic measurements at each of those locations, as close together chronologically as possible.

Just a few recommendations. I'm not looking to make anything overly complicated, just to afford some insight into maximizing the value of your data.

Again, good luck.

duncan61 wrote:
I have the CO2 meter it was 1186ppm in my car when I plugged it in to charge but I have it on my bonnet charging and it is going down.I will go see in a moment

HarveyH55 wrote:

duncan61 wrote:
I have the CO2 meter it was 1186ppm in my car when I plugged it in to charge but I have it on my bonnet charging and it is going down.I will go see in a moment

Cool, arrived early. While it's charging, you can read through the users manual. Does the meter have a model number or anything I could use, to look up some specs. for it? Or possibly find a download for the users manual. I am curious about how much CO2 is around, but the raw sensors, that looked good, were kind of expensive. Most of those were for an outdoor unit though. The single unit, and bulk price can be huge, some times a complete unit is cheaper, than just buying the sensor. Still kind want to build my own, and have the functions I want most. Have to re-think the project some for a portable.