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suggestion17-03-2020 17:11
keepit
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If everyone, and mean almost everyone, stayed home for 2 weeks it would take a bite out of covid and i would hopefully buy us time for warm season to come in. Hopefully this is seasonal even though it's much more vicious.
Two weeks would give the infected time to get well and hopefully not be spreading it. Also, it would give the uninfected time to avoid the infected. There would be problems withing families but this solution would take a big bite out of the whole problem.

This is a suggestion for everybody except ITN and IBD. For them it is an order.

I bought a spare can opener in case my can opener breaks.

A lot of fancy financing being done by the Fed and the Treasury. Hopefully they know what they're doing, i'm sure they do.
It does sound like a lot of socialism but this is an emergency. I hope it goes away later.
Edited on 17-03-2020 17:24
17-03-2020 17:36
IBdaMannProfile picture★★★★★
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keepit wrote:
If everyone, and mean almost everyone, stayed home for 2 weeks it would take a bite out of covid and i would hopefully buy us time for warm season to come in.

My suggestion is that we take full advantage of the weakness of this year's rather lame flu season and get out more and enjoy the one life we have ... and/or be more productive.

There's something inherently wrong with a government playing the general gullibility to foment panic as justification for giving all government workers a two-week paid vacation.


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Sea level varies from place to place in the world - keepit

Clouds don't trap heat. Clouds block cold. - Spongy Iris

Printing dollars to pay debt doesn't increase the number of dollars. - keepit

If Venus were a black body it would have a much much lower temperature than what we found there.- tmiddles

Ah the "Valid Data" myth of ITN/IBD. - tmiddles

Ceist - I couldn't agree with you more. But when money and religion are involved, and there are people who value them above all else, then the lies begin. - trafn

You are completely misunderstanding their use of the word "accumulation"! - Climate Scientist.

The Stefan-Boltzman equation doesn't come up with the correct temperature if greenhouse gases are not considered - Hank

:*sigh* Not the "raw data" crap. - Leafsdude

IB STILL hasn't explained what Planck's Law means. Just more hand waving that it applies to everything and more asserting that the greenhouse effect 'violates' it.- Ceist
17-03-2020 17:46
keepit
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IBD,
You're contrarian indicator.
17-03-2020 18:25
IBdaMannProfile picture★★★★★
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keepit wrote: IBD, You're contrarian indicator.

... because you believe we all have multiple lives and that we should be gullible, like yourself, and panic as ordered.

Yep, I'm contrarian in that regard.


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Sea level varies from place to place in the world - keepit

Clouds don't trap heat. Clouds block cold. - Spongy Iris

Printing dollars to pay debt doesn't increase the number of dollars. - keepit

If Venus were a black body it would have a much much lower temperature than what we found there.- tmiddles

Ah the "Valid Data" myth of ITN/IBD. - tmiddles

Ceist - I couldn't agree with you more. But when money and religion are involved, and there are people who value them above all else, then the lies begin. - trafn

You are completely misunderstanding their use of the word "accumulation"! - Climate Scientist.

The Stefan-Boltzman equation doesn't come up with the correct temperature if greenhouse gases are not considered - Hank

:*sigh* Not the "raw data" crap. - Leafsdude

IB STILL hasn't explained what Planck's Law means. Just more hand waving that it applies to everything and more asserting that the greenhouse effect 'violates' it.- Ceist
17-03-2020 18:35
keepit
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If the US had panicked earlier we would have taken drastic measures earlier and we would have gotten on top of the virus earlier. Less lives would be lost in the long run.
17-03-2020 18:39
IBdaMannProfile picture★★★★★
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keepit wrote: If the US had panicked earlier we would have taken drastic measures earlier and we would have gotten on top of the virus earlier. Less lives would be lost in the long run.

If we would have panicked earlier, we would have far more greatly damaged the economy and had our children out of school for longer ... and it would have still been a lame flu season, i.e. much weaker than usual.

Why would we want to damage our economy just to join you in the gullibility rankings? Can we just write you down as an America-hater and be done with it?


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Sea level varies from place to place in the world - keepit

Clouds don't trap heat. Clouds block cold. - Spongy Iris

Printing dollars to pay debt doesn't increase the number of dollars. - keepit

If Venus were a black body it would have a much much lower temperature than what we found there.- tmiddles

Ah the "Valid Data" myth of ITN/IBD. - tmiddles

Ceist - I couldn't agree with you more. But when money and religion are involved, and there are people who value them above all else, then the lies begin. - trafn

You are completely misunderstanding their use of the word "accumulation"! - Climate Scientist.

The Stefan-Boltzman equation doesn't come up with the correct temperature if greenhouse gases are not considered - Hank

:*sigh* Not the "raw data" crap. - Leafsdude

IB STILL hasn't explained what Planck's Law means. Just more hand waving that it applies to everything and more asserting that the greenhouse effect 'violates' it.- Ceist
17-03-2020 18:40
keepit
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Write yourself down as FOS.
17-03-2020 18:57
IBdaMannProfile picture★★★★★
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keepit wrote: Write yourself down as FOS.

Well, this is the first time I've been called one of these:



Thanks, I guess.


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Sea level varies from place to place in the world - keepit

Clouds don't trap heat. Clouds block cold. - Spongy Iris

Printing dollars to pay debt doesn't increase the number of dollars. - keepit

If Venus were a black body it would have a much much lower temperature than what we found there.- tmiddles

Ah the "Valid Data" myth of ITN/IBD. - tmiddles

Ceist - I couldn't agree with you more. But when money and religion are involved, and there are people who value them above all else, then the lies begin. - trafn

You are completely misunderstanding their use of the word "accumulation"! - Climate Scientist.

The Stefan-Boltzman equation doesn't come up with the correct temperature if greenhouse gases are not considered - Hank

:*sigh* Not the "raw data" crap. - Leafsdude

IB STILL hasn't explained what Planck's Law means. Just more hand waving that it applies to everything and more asserting that the greenhouse effect 'violates' it.- Ceist
17-03-2020 19:10
keepit
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Just another misinterpretation IBD.
You forgot to try semantic argument, name calling, and blaming the predecessor.
17-03-2020 19:15
Into the NightProfile picture★★★★★
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keepit wrote:
If everyone, and mean almost everyone, stayed home for 2 weeks it would take a bite out of covid and i would hopefully buy us time for warm season to come in. Hopefully this is seasonal even though it's much more vicious.

It is actually quite a bit less vicious than other flus that the United States has experienced. Less people are dying from it.
keepit wrote:
Two weeks would give the infected time to get well and hopefully not be spreading it. Also, it would give the uninfected time to avoid the infected. There would be problems withing families but this solution would take a big bite out of the whole problem.

It isn't the problem you think it is.
keepit wrote:
This is a suggestion for everybody except ITN and IBD. For them it is an order.

You don't get to order people around. You are not the king.
keepit wrote:
I bought a spare can opener in case my can opener breaks.

I must have three or four I've picked up over the years kicking around the house by now. Are you going to hoard can openers?
keepit wrote:
A lot of fancy financing being done by the Fed and the Treasury. Hopefully they know what they're doing, i'm sure they do.

They have no clue. Price controls never work.
keepit wrote:
It does sound like a lot of socialism but this is an emergency. I hope it goes away later.

It IS socialism (in the form of fascism). It is not an emergency. It is the winter flu.


The Parrot Killer
17-03-2020 19:17
Into the NightProfile picture★★★★★
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keepit wrote:
If the US had panicked earlier we would have taken drastic measures earlier and we would have gotten on top of the virus earlier. Less lives would be lost in the long run.


This flu has taken far fewer lives than flu seasons in the recent past.


The Parrot Killer
17-03-2020 19:20
Into the NightProfile picture★★★★★
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keepit wrote:
Just another misinterpretation IBD.
You forgot to try semantic argument, name calling, and blaming the predecessor.


It is YOU that makes semantic arguments and call people names.

Obama deserves all the blame that he gets.


The Parrot Killer
17-03-2020 21:07
gfm7175Profile picture★★★☆☆
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keepit wrote:
If everyone, and mean almost everyone, stayed home for 2 weeks it would take a bite out of covid and i would hopefully buy us time for warm season to come in. Hopefully this is seasonal even though it's much more vicious.
Two weeks would give the infected time to get well and hopefully not be spreading it. Also, it would give the uninfected time to avoid the infected. There would be problems withing families but this solution would take a big bite out of the whole problem.

There is no "problem". We will get through this flu season and be just fine, just like any other flu season.

keepit wrote:
This is a suggestion for everybody except ITN and IBD. For them it is an order.

You are not a dictator.

keepit wrote:
I bought a spare can opener in case my can opener breaks.

Good for you.

keepit wrote:
A lot of fancy financing being done by the Fed and the Treasury. Hopefully they know what they're doing, i'm sure they do.
It does sound like a lot of socialism but this is an emergency. I hope it goes away later.

COVID-19 is not an emergency.
17-03-2020 21:08
gfm7175Profile picture★★★☆☆
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keepit wrote:
If the US had panicked earlier we would have taken drastic measures earlier and we would have gotten on top of the virus earlier. Less lives would be lost in the long run.

What "drastic measures" should we have taken? Why?

I'd say that we've already taken drastic measures... You know, like crashing the whole economy and stock market over a simple flu virus...
Edited on 17-03-2020 21:13
17-03-2020 21:18
keepit
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Isolation would have been a good idea, especially much earlier.
17-03-2020 22:09
Into the NightProfile picture★★★★★
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keepit wrote:
Isolation would have been a good idea, especially much earlier.


Isolation?? For a flu that normally is no worse than a common cold? That is milder than usual? You are fear mongering again.


The Parrot Killer
17-03-2020 22:47
keepit
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More false accusation ITN. Are you going to start with semantic arguments, name calling, blaming the predecessor, etc. now?
17-03-2020 23:08
Into the NightProfile picture★★★★★
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keepit wrote:
More false accusation ITN.

What accusation?!??
keepit wrote:
Are you going to start with semantic arguments, name calling, blaming the predecessor, etc. now?

No. You do that fine by yourself.


The Parrot Killer
17-03-2020 23:27
gfm7175Profile picture★★★☆☆
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keepit... still batting 0.000
17-03-2020 23:34
keepit
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If you guys think i'm batting .000, i must be batting close to 1000.
18-03-2020 04:10
Into the NightProfile picture★★★★★
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keepit wrote:
If you guys think i'm batting .000, i must be batting close to 1000.


Looks like your math sucks too. Still batting 0.00.


The Parrot Killer
18-03-2020 05:06
tmiddlesProfile picture★★★★★
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keepit wrote:
If you guys think i'm batting .000, i must be batting close to 1000.
You actually do have a really good average keepit I'm continually impressed. No joke. You're also right that you know you're making headway in exposing fraud when the those perpetrating it are so bothered by simple statements and questions not even directed at them. IBD even took time to photoshop something for you (I'm a bit jealous.

So this whole situation is horrible but as for this board it is the parallel scenario to climate change I've been wanting. As stated earlier I brought up vaccines a while back.

Now we have the double argument again, but with a different subject:
1 - You cannot know these things simply because experts are saying them (as part of a conspiracy)
2 - An anonymous denier on a board DOES know these things with nothing at all to back it up.

Now I would agree you shouldn't accept that any expert is infallible like the Pope. But you should tackle debunking a well qaulified argument with a well constructed rebuttal. Not just a 5 year olds "Nu uh, no it's not, cuz I said so"

We have two sides here:
Marc Lipsitch, head of the Center for Communicable Disease Dynamics at the Harvard, wrote:
"We have about 2.8 intensive-care beds per 10,000 adults in the U.S., and that was the number of critical cases in Wuhan on the highest day," link

gfm7175 wrote:
There is no "problem". We will get through this flu season and be just fine, just like any other flu season.

It's a very familiar refrain: There's nothing to see here, it's all a hoax, so called experts can be dismissed without a foundation for the argument.

Now someone may say hey, that Harvard guy is an idiot because I say so. But if you're in a car accident you'd go to the emergency room right? I mean doctors do know doctor stuff don't they? You wouldn't just drag your bleeding body back home.

It just seems that one the one hand ITN, IBD, and their followers insist that we shouldn't jump the gun and claim we know things when we don't. We need raw data and what not. Yet they comfortably make things up:

Into the Night wrote:
Isolation?? For a flu that normally is no worse than a common cold? That is milder than usual? You are fear mongering again.
Vs:
Marc Lipsitch wrote:There's a real danger of accelerating the epidemic if you have a large number of people together," link

Marc Lipsitch wrote:about 40% to 70% of the world's population could become infected with the virus, and of those, 1% will die.link

So ITN claims, without any data, reason or justification for the statement that Covid-19 is "milder than usual". "291,000 to 646,000 people die of the flu each year"
Marc claim of 1% of the low end of 40% of 7,000,000,000 people is 28 million people.
28,000,000 > 646,000

Marc Lipsitch and others are very candid about their lack of "omniscience".
"In a later tweet, Lipsitch revised his estimates downward, to 20% to 60% of adults" link
They are applying their expertise to the best of their ability.

Now someone might say hey hold on that lipstich guys numbers are moving around he's an idiot. An idiot might say that.

Our triumph over disease is one of the greatest accomplishments made with science. I don't think it's equivalent to the efforts with climate change, I don't know, time will tell. But it's an excellent parallel to compare and contrast with.
Edited on 18-03-2020 05:15
18-03-2020 05:38
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3 DIVISIONS. ALL FAIL!

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