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Sturgis09-09-2020 03:17
keepit
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Researchers say that sturgis is linked to 267,000 new cases of covid. The cost of treating these patients plus the cost of lost work time is so high that if each attendee was paid $26,000 to not attend sturgis, it would have been profitable.
09-09-2020 03:42
GasGuzzlerProfile picture★★★★☆
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I honestly didn't think anyone was so gullible.

Can we get your source for this "story" ?
Edited on 09-09-2020 04:12
09-09-2020 04:16
keepit
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It was a report on cnn from a researcher that was from san diego state.
How gullible is it of you to not believe the report before you knew anything about it. Basically it was done with cell phone data and expected death numbers. It was fairly sophisticated. Don't let that throw you though.
09-09-2020 05:01
IBdaMannProfile picture★★★★★
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keepit wrote: How gullible is it of you to not believe the report before you knew anything about it.

keepit, I know that you are normally very good at being a moron but you have outdone yourself on this one.

Gullibility involves believing when you shouldn't. You cannot accuse someone who does not believe of being gullible. Do you understand how that works? You can accuse someone who does not believe as being stubborn and willful, but absolutely not of being gullible.

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09-09-2020 10:53
HarveyH55
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keepit wrote:
It was a report on cnn from a researcher that was from san diego state.
How gullible is it of you to not believe the report before you knew anything about it. Basically it was done with cell phone data and expected death numbers. It was fairly sophisticated. Don't let that throw you though.


So, some college kids, ran a computer model on their phones, rather than surfing porn...

All attendees weren't required to be tested before entering the event, then retested before leaving. Where's the science? Another computer simulation? So, all it takes is colored charts and graphs, to make anything accurate and factual?

Do you even know what a bike rally is? Many of the attendees traveled for a week or more, on motorcycles, to get there, and get back home. They had the same chance of infection, dozens of other places, before or after. Their infection, would be recorded, only if tested, in their home states.
09-09-2020 16:32
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keepit wrote:
Researchers say that sturgis is linked to 267,000 new cases of covid. The cost of treating these patients plus the cost of lost work time is so high that if each attendee was paid $26,000 to not attend sturgis, it would have been profitable.

Bullshit. Made up numbers. Fake news.
09-09-2020 16:34
gfm7175Profile picture★★★★☆
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keepit wrote:
It was a report on cnn

IF this is true, then this likely tells me all that I need to know.

keepit wrote:
from a researcher that was from san diego state.
How gullible is it of you to not believe the report before you knew anything about it. Basically it was done with cell phone data and expected death numbers. It was fairly sophisticated. Don't let that throw you though.

Nope. It is bullshit. It is made up numbers. It is fake news. I'm WELL over all of the covid fear mongering bullshit at this point.
Edited on 09-09-2020 16:41
09-09-2020 16:39
gfm7175Profile picture★★★★☆
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IBdaMann wrote:
keepit wrote: How gullible is it of you to not believe the report before you knew anything about it.

keepit, I know that you are normally very good at being a moron but you have outdone yourself on this one.

Gullibility involves believing when you shouldn't. You cannot accuse someone who does not believe of being gullible. Do you understand how that works? You can accuse someone who does not believe as being stubborn and willful, but absolutely not of being gullible.

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Indeed he has.

Liberal really is an odd language, isn't it? It seemingly has a very close resemblance to English, yet it is entirely different from English...
11-09-2020 17:40
keepit
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gfm,
What you refer to as "liberal" language is really just the result of too much education. In my case i went to community college and then a public 4 year college and followed that up with flight training at the local airport. After flying for a few years i went back to community college and took a year of basic premed courses and the the full paramedic courses. Later i bought about $2000 dollars of Great Courses DVD's (about $4 per hour) and listened to them time and again. I'd say that the Great Course DVD's gave me more bang for the buck than anything.
Critical thinking and language skills are what i learned. You call this "liberal" thinking but it is just education.
11-09-2020 17:48
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keepit wrote:
gfm,
What you refer to as "liberal" language is really just the result of too much education. In my case i went to community college and then a public 4 year college and followed that up with flight training at the local airport. After flying for a few years i went back to community college and took a year of basic premed courses and the the full paramedic courses. Later i bought about $2000 dollars of Great Courses DVD's (about $4 per hour) and listened to them time and again. I'd say that the Great Course DVD's gave me more bang for the buck than anything.
Critical thinking and language skills are what i learned. You call this "liberal" thinking but it is just education.

You have no idea how actually right you are!!!!
Who absolutely owns the education system in this country? Dude, you speak liberal and you speak it well.


All the time the base and surface are at equal temperature as the equilibrium graduates to establish the temperature development--Pete Rogers
11-09-2020 18:07
HarveyH55
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keepit wrote:
gfm,
What you refer to as "liberal" language is really just the result of too much education. In my case i went to community college and then a public 4 year college and followed that up with flight training at the local airport. After flying for a few years i went back to community college and took a year of basic premed courses and the the full paramedic courses. Later i bought about $2000 dollars of Great Courses DVD's (about $4 per hour) and listened to them time and again. I'd say that the Great Course DVD's gave me more bang for the buck than anything.
Critical thinking and language skills are what i learned. You call this "liberal" thinking but it is just education.


How'd you get through a year of premed, and be so clueless about how the human body works. I took one year of Human Anatomy and Physiology, and learn a lot of useful things. The next course, would I would have started carving on a human cadaver. I wasn't that curious, and the lab fee was well beyond my means. I can see why you are so gullible, spent so much time in classrooms, you missed out on real-world experiences. Book learning is pretty useless, if you can't apply what you were taught. At some point, you sort of stop learning, because you know how to take tests, write papers. You no longer need to understand the subject, just what you need to repeat, to pass the class.
11-09-2020 18:34
keepit
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What are you talking about Harvey? I learned how to fly planes and did it well.
I learned how to work as a paramedic and did it well.
In mentioning Great Courses i was just passing on a cheap and efficient way of getting an education. You'll learn critical thinking and communication skills but it isn't necessarily translatable into an occupation. I translated my earlier education into flying and paramedic work.
11-09-2020 19:05
GasGuzzlerProfile picture★★★★☆
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Printing our way out of debt?
Forgiving loans?
Everyone working 20 hr weeks?
Everyone only having half of what have?

This is critical thinking?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!
11-09-2020 19:08
keepit
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Gas,
Maybe you just don't understand how those things work. Did you ever think of that?
11-09-2020 19:12
GasGuzzlerProfile picture★★★★☆
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keepit wrote:
Gas,
Maybe you just don't understand how those things work. Did you ever think of that?


I did not think of that. I don't have critical thinking education.



All the time the base and surface are at equal temperature as the equilibrium graduates to establish the temperature development--Pete Rogers
11-09-2020 19:23
keepit
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Well then, listen to this.

"Forgiving loans" - Bottom line, it would be as if the taxpayer paid for community college and college education just like they pay for grade school and high school now.

"Printing our way out of debt" - we got in debt in a number of ways. For example, spending money on national defense. Would you rather we would be defenseless?
We could have taxed ourselves to pay for it but then we wouldn't be able to buy as much stuff.

"Working 20 hour weeks" - well, if you don't like that idea, i don't know what to say.

Analyze these things, don't respond to them emotionally in the way you've been taught.

"Having half of what we have" - Well, so much of what we have is the result of the marketeers convincing us that we need so much of the stuff we buy. Personally i'm not convinced.
Edited on 11-09-2020 19:28
11-09-2020 19:25
IBdaMannProfile picture★★★★★
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GasGuzzler wrote:
keepit wrote:Gas, Maybe you just don't understand how those things work. Did you ever think of that?
I did not think of that. I don't have critical thinking education.


"If you disagree with me, you must not understand the topic." - anonymous millenial

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A Spaghetti strainer with the faucet running, retains water- tmiddles

Clouds don't trap heat. Clouds block cold. - Spongy Iris

Printing dollars to pay debt doesn't increase the number of dollars. - keepit

If Venus were a black body it would have a much much lower temperature than what we found there.- tmiddles

Ah the "Valid Data" myth of ITN/IBD. - tmiddles

Ceist - I couldn't agree with you more. But when money and religion are involved, and there are people who value them above all else, then the lies begin. - trafn

You are completely misunderstanding their use of the word "accumulation"! - Climate Scientist.

The Stefan-Boltzman equation doesn't come up with the correct temperature if greenhouse gases are not considered - Hank

:*sigh* Not the "raw data" crap. - Leafsdude

IB STILL hasn't explained what Planck's Law means. Just more hand waving that it applies to everything and more asserting that the greenhouse effect 'violates' it.- Ceist
11-09-2020 19:53
Into the NightProfile picture★★★★★
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keepit wrote:
It was a report on cnn from a researcher that was from san diego state.

CNN is fake news. They write fiction, or copy the fiction produced by others. You really need to stop reading them. It isn't news.
keepit wrote:
How gullible is it of you to not believe the report before you knew anything about it.

How gullible it is that you accept numbers from anywhere as 'data'. I have a higher standard than that. See the Data Mine thread.
keepit wrote:
Basically it was done with cell phone data and expected death numbers. It was fairly sophisticated. Don't let that throw you though.

So...random numbers of type randU, followed by an appeal to complexity fallacy.

I do not accept any data that as data. The only data I accept is that which is published in raw form, that is known who collected and when it was collected, the instrumentation used to collect it, the method of collecting it, and that the method is free from bias. I must know who collected it and why.

If a statistical summary is presented, then in addition, the variance must be declared and justified, the margin of error properly calculated and accompanying the summary, and the date used must be selected by randN and normalized by paired randR.

Details of what I even begin to consider possibly valid data can be found in the Data Mine thread.

You just accept anything from anyone. You are completely indiscriminate, and an open mark for anyone that shoves numbers in front of your face, even if they are completely made up.


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11-09-2020 19:57
Into the NightProfile picture★★★★★
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keepit wrote:
What are you talking about Harvey? I learned how to fly planes and did it well.
I don't believe you. You have already shown you know next to nothing about aviation. You couldn't pass the test with what you've shown me here.
keepit wrote:
I learned how to work as a paramedic and did it well.
I don't believe you.
keepit wrote:
In mentioning Great Courses i was just passing on a cheap and efficient way of getting an education.

You obviously never took them. If you did, you wouldn't be so illiterate. BTW, 'I' is capitalized in English.
keepit wrote:
You'll learn critical thinking
You obviously have never done so.
keepit wrote:
and communication skills
You such at this too.
keepit wrote:
but it isn't necessarily translatable into an occupation.
Yes it is.
keepit wrote:
I translated my earlier education into flying and paramedic work.

I don't believe you. You have demonstrated you know nothing about aviation. You don't seem to understand anything as a paramedic either.


The Parrot Killer

Debunked in my sig. - tmiddles

Google keeps track of paranoid talk and i'm not on their list. I've been evaluated and certified. - keepit
11-09-2020 19:58
Into the NightProfile picture★★★★★
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keepit wrote:
Gas,
Maybe you just don't understand how those things work. Did you ever think of that?


No. It is YOU that doesn't understand how these things work. Inversion fallacy. Failure of critical thinking.


The Parrot Killer

Debunked in my sig. - tmiddles

Google keeps track of paranoid talk and i'm not on their list. I've been evaluated and certified. - keepit
11-09-2020 20:05
Into the NightProfile picture★★★★★
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keepit wrote:
Well then, listen to this.

"Forgiving loans" - Bottom line, it would be as if the taxpayer paid for community college and college education just like they pay for grade school and high school now.
So...theft.
keepit wrote:
"Printing our way out of debt" - we got in debt in a number of ways.
Using theft by devaluing the money is a sure way to get people to reject the currency, and the resulting chaos that occurs while that happens. A cash crash is terrible. Obviously, you are illiterate. History has many examples of this happening to nations.
keepit wrote:
For example, spending money on national defense. Would you rather we would be defenseless?

Compositional error fallacy (lack of critical thinking). Money is spent on a LOT more than national defense. A lot of it is spent on unconstitutional programs, government bureaucracy, and of course Senator Boondoggle's Monument to Government Stupidity and Waste.
keepit wrote:
We could have taxed ourselves to pay for it but then we wouldn't be able to buy as much stuff.
We ARE taxed for it, moron.
keepit wrote:
"Working 20 hour weeks" - well, if you don't like that idea, i don't know what to say.
Then you obviously can't justify it. People want to work. They want to produce. They want to make money. Business owners trying to get a business started work longer than 40 hours a week. Much longer. Then, of course, there are the lazy asses like yourself.
keepit wrote:
Analyze these things, don't respond to them emotionally in the way you've been taught.
[quote]keepit wrote:
"Having half of what we have" - Well, so much of what we have is the result of the marketeers convincing us that we need so much of the stuff we buy.
You don't get to decide what is 'proper' for someone to buy. You are not the king.
keepit wrote:
Personally i'm not convinced.

We already know. You are locked into your religion. You are demonstrating illiteracy after illiteracy. You don't know enough to even see that you are a fundamentalist religious nut in the Church of Karl Marx.


The Parrot Killer

Debunked in my sig. - tmiddles

Google keeps track of paranoid talk and i'm not on their list. I've been evaluated and certified. - keepit
12-09-2020 04:52
IBdaMannProfile picture★★★★★
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Into the Night wrote:I do not accept any data that as data. The only data I accept is that which is published in raw form, that is known who collected and when it was collected, the instrumentation used to collect it, the method of collecting it, and that the method is free from bias. I must know who collected it and why.

If a statistical summary is presented, then in addition, the variance must be declared and justified, the margin of error properly calculated and accompanying the summary, and the date used must be selected by randN and normalized by paired randR.

This sounds like a standard package of common sense. Anyone not conforming to this is pretty clearly trying to pull one over on you or is pushing a conclusion that simply isn't supported.


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A Spaghetti strainer with the faucet running, retains water- tmiddles

Clouds don't trap heat. Clouds block cold. - Spongy Iris

Printing dollars to pay debt doesn't increase the number of dollars. - keepit

If Venus were a black body it would have a much much lower temperature than what we found there.- tmiddles

Ah the "Valid Data" myth of ITN/IBD. - tmiddles

Ceist - I couldn't agree with you more. But when money and religion are involved, and there are people who value them above all else, then the lies begin. - trafn

You are completely misunderstanding their use of the word "accumulation"! - Climate Scientist.

The Stefan-Boltzman equation doesn't come up with the correct temperature if greenhouse gases are not considered - Hank

:*sigh* Not the "raw data" crap. - Leafsdude

IB STILL hasn't explained what Planck's Law means. Just more hand waving that it applies to everything and more asserting that the greenhouse effect 'violates' it.- Ceist
13-09-2020 03:03
duncan61
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keepit wrote:
Researchers say that sturgis is linked to 267,000 new cases of covid. The cost of treating these patients plus the cost of lost work time is so high that if each attendee was paid $26,000 to not attend sturgis, it would have been profitable.


Serious Keepit.I am trying to love you but it is not easy sister when you are so scared of everything.So the bikies at the Sturgis rally were bothered about getting the flu.STD and OD is O.K. just dont sneeze.


duncan61
13-09-2020 08:42
keepit
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Duncan,
Scared? Scared of what?
I'm just sending out precautionary advice. After all, if one doesn't know what one is doing, one tends to bump into things. Just looking out for you.
13-09-2020 10:37
Into the NightProfile picture★★★★★
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keepit wrote:
Duncan,
Scared? Scared of what?
I'm just sending out precautionary advice. After all, if one doesn't know what one is doing, one tends to bump into things. Just looking out for you.


You are not looking out for anyone. You are just preaching.

Masks do not stop a virus.
6 feet does not stop a virus.
Plastic shields at cash registers do not stop a virus.
If you can stand in a grocery store or hardware store, you can vote at a poll.

Go stuff your hypochondria.


The Parrot Killer

Debunked in my sig. - tmiddles

Google keeps track of paranoid talk and i'm not on their list. I've been evaluated and certified. - keepit
13-09-2020 17:12
HarveyH55
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What's really amusing to me, is that we really have no clue, just how deadly covid-19 really is, until we go through and compare 2020 statistics, to past years. We know about 2.5 million Americans die every year, mostly from 'natural' causes. The additional 180,000, or what ever the scoreboard says at the end of the year, won't really bump the 2.5 million normally expected. We need to go through the cause of deaths, specifically respiratory infections. So far, we've stamped Covid-19 on every death even suspected of being infected/exposed. We also know that many of those dead, were near their expiration date, and had 2 or more chronic conditions. Are the age related deaths, really covid, or just what is normally expect each year.

The confirmed case numbers seem impressive, the hotspots, the outbreaks, spikes in new cases... After 7-8 months of intense testing, less than 2% of the American population has tested positive. We will probably never actually get a total on how many test were actually given, or how many individual get tested regularly.

What should be a real indicator, and missing from the scoreboard, is a running two week total of deaths, and new cases. The quarantine time is two weeks, so the virus should have ran it's course in that 14 days, or less. The running total since the beginning doesn't really have much value, other than fear mongering. Anything past 14 days, is no longer relevant to the current status of the pandemic. Florida has had at least two, data dumps, of month old (and longer) test results, and death reports. Of course, there can be some expected problems, labs, the health departments, are operating at maximum capacity, and get a surplus on some days, backlogged. That stale data shouldn't be included with current data, specially if it's more than two weeks old. The two dumps that got noticed, were 10's of thousands of positives, reported on the same days.

What's really scary, is that for us to achieve a 'herd immunity', we need 60-70% of the population to have been exposed, either infected, or vaccinated. Less than 2% of the population has tested positive so far... I find it really odd that antibody testing isn't more popular. Would we want to know that? The current PCR test, only checks for an active infection, which is pretty useless, considering it requires a long Q-Tip, shoved 4" up the nose. If you were exposed, but not actively infected, when sampled, you are likely to get a negative result, but likely sick as hell, before you get that result. Least with an antibody test, they would know who had it, and whether or not the antibodies are going to last. When a vaccine becomes available, we would like to be able to give the first few precious doses, to those who actually need it. Why vaccinate someone, who already has the antibodies, the vaccine is suppose to produce? Herd immunity is the goal, since there is no chance of isolation, and eradication. We need to know how many people have been infected, not just the numbers of those currently infected. 97% of people infected, don't require medical assistance. The symptoms are no different than a mild cold, most people wouldn't have bother getting the PCR test to confirm.
13-09-2020 18:51
Into the NightProfile picture★★★★★
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HarveyH55 wrote:
What's really amusing to me, is that we really have no clue, just how deadly covid-19 really is, until we go through and compare 2020 statistics, to past years. We know about 2.5 million Americans die every year, mostly from 'natural' causes. The additional 180,000, or what ever the scoreboard says at the end of the year, won't really bump the 2.5 million normally expected. We need to go through the cause of deaths, specifically respiratory infections. So far, we've stamped Covid-19 on every death even suspected of being infected/exposed. We also know that many of those dead, were near their expiration date, and had 2 or more chronic conditions. Are the age related deaths, really covid, or just what is normally expect each year.

The confirmed case numbers seem impressive, the hotspots, the outbreaks, spikes in new cases... After 7-8 months of intense testing, less than 2% of the American population has tested positive. We will probably never actually get a total on how many test were actually given, or how many individual get tested regularly.

What should be a real indicator, and missing from the scoreboard, is a running two week total of deaths, and new cases. The quarantine time is two weeks, so the virus should have ran it's course in that 14 days, or less. The running total since the beginning doesn't really have much value, other than fear mongering. Anything past 14 days, is no longer relevant to the current status of the pandemic. Florida has had at least two, data dumps, of month old (and longer) test results, and death reports. Of course, there can be some expected problems, labs, the health departments, are operating at maximum capacity, and get a surplus on some days, backlogged. That stale data shouldn't be included with current data, specially if it's more than two weeks old. The two dumps that got noticed, were 10's of thousands of positives, reported on the same days.

What's really scary, is that for us to achieve a 'herd immunity', we need 60-70% of the population to have been exposed, either infected, or vaccinated. Less than 2% of the population has tested positive so far... I find it really odd that antibody testing isn't more popular. Would we want to know that? The current PCR test, only checks for an active infection, which is pretty useless, considering it requires a long Q-Tip, shoved 4" up the nose. If you were exposed, but not actively infected, when sampled, you are likely to get a negative result, but likely sick as hell, before you get that result. Least with an antibody test, they would know who had it, and whether or not the antibodies are going to last. When a vaccine becomes available, we would like to be able to give the first few precious doses, to those who actually need it. Why vaccinate someone, who already has the antibodies, the vaccine is suppose to produce? Herd immunity is the goal, since there is no chance of isolation, and eradication. We need to know how many people have been infected, not just the numbers of those currently infected. 97% of people infected, don't require medical assistance. The symptoms are no different than a mild cold, most people wouldn't have bother getting the PCR test to confirm.


The problem is, the statistics on Covid19 are mostly fake numbers. When you have people that died of accident, cancer, drug overdose, heart disease, or just plain old age listed as dying from Covid19, you have fake statistics, coroners committing felonies for money, and a lot of lawsuits forming.

Which is what is happening.


The Parrot Killer

Debunked in my sig. - tmiddles

Google keeps track of paranoid talk and i'm not on their list. I've been evaluated and certified. - keepit
Edited on 13-09-2020 18:52
13-09-2020 23:22
HarveyH55
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Into the Night wrote:
HarveyH55 wrote:
What's really amusing to me, is that we really have no clue, just how deadly covid-19 really is, until we go through and compare 2020 statistics, to past years. We know about 2.5 million Americans die every year, mostly from 'natural' causes. The additional 180,000, or what ever the scoreboard says at the end of the year, won't really bump the 2.5 million normally expected. We need to go through the cause of deaths, specifically respiratory infections. So far, we've stamped Covid-19 on every death even suspected of being infected/exposed. We also know that many of those dead, were near their expiration date, and had 2 or more chronic conditions. Are the age related deaths, really covid, or just what is normally expect each year.

The confirmed case numbers seem impressive, the hotspots, the outbreaks, spikes in new cases... After 7-8 months of intense testing, less than 2% of the American population has tested positive. We will probably never actually get a total on how many test were actually given, or how many individual get tested regularly.

What should be a real indicator, and missing from the scoreboard, is a running two week total of deaths, and new cases. The quarantine time is two weeks, so the virus should have ran it's course in that 14 days, or less. The running total since the beginning doesn't really have much value, other than fear mongering. Anything past 14 days, is no longer relevant to the current status of the pandemic. Florida has had at least two, data dumps, of month old (and longer) test results, and death reports. Of course, there can be some expected problems, labs, the health departments, are operating at maximum capacity, and get a surplus on some days, backlogged. That stale data shouldn't be included with current data, specially if it's more than two weeks old. The two dumps that got noticed, were 10's of thousands of positives, reported on the same days.

What's really scary, is that for us to achieve a 'herd immunity', we need 60-70% of the population to have been exposed, either infected, or vaccinated. Less than 2% of the population has tested positive so far... I find it really odd that antibody testing isn't more popular. Would we want to know that? The current PCR test, only checks for an active infection, which is pretty useless, considering it requires a long Q-Tip, shoved 4" up the nose. If you were exposed, but not actively infected, when sampled, you are likely to get a negative result, but likely sick as hell, before you get that result. Least with an antibody test, they would know who had it, and whether or not the antibodies are going to last. When a vaccine becomes available, we would like to be able to give the first few precious doses, to those who actually need it. Why vaccinate someone, who already has the antibodies, the vaccine is suppose to produce? Herd immunity is the goal, since there is no chance of isolation, and eradication. We need to know how many people have been infected, not just the numbers of those currently infected. 97% of people infected, don't require medical assistance. The symptoms are no different than a mild cold, most people wouldn't have bother getting the PCR test to confirm.


The problem is, the statistics on Covid19 are mostly fake numbers. When you have people that died of accident, cancer, drug overdose, heart disease, or just plain old age listed as dying from Covid19, you have fake statistics, coroners committing felonies for money, and a lot of lawsuits forming.

Which is what is happening.


Don't think it's widespread fraud, but rather misinterpretation. The health department just wanted death certificates tag, as covid-19 a possible contributing factor. Some states took it to the extreme, and an suspicion, or death, that tested positive was tagged. Clearly, a gunshot victim would have died, with or without infection. In Florida, we had several. One was a family of 4, car accident, died at the scene. The father tested positive, though not sure why they would test a corpse (practice?). All 4 listed as covid-19 related deaths. Had a couple motorcycle accidents, same deal. The health department just need a quick way to identify cases to review later, as a possible contributing factor. Of course some states know that lots of people dying, means they get lots of money and supplies, at the taxpayer expense, which nobody bothers to look into where it all went, or how it was used. A surplus, could be sold off, the money could be used for other things, or even 'vanish'.

Testing numbers are totally bogus, less than 2% of the population being tested, about a week to get results. Likely a whole lot of people don't bother with getting tested, it's a mild infect, a cold, for the vast majority of people.
14-09-2020 01:26
Into the NightProfile picture★★★★★
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HarveyH55 wrote:
Into the Night wrote:
HarveyH55 wrote:
What's really amusing to me, is that we really have no clue, just how deadly covid-19 really is, until we go through and compare 2020 statistics, to past years. We know about 2.5 million Americans die every year, mostly from 'natural' causes. The additional 180,000, or what ever the scoreboard says at the end of the year, won't really bump the 2.5 million normally expected. We need to go through the cause of deaths, specifically respiratory infections. So far, we've stamped Covid-19 on every death even suspected of being infected/exposed. We also know that many of those dead, were near their expiration date, and had 2 or more chronic conditions. Are the age related deaths, really covid, or just what is normally expect each year.

The confirmed case numbers seem impressive, the hotspots, the outbreaks, spikes in new cases... After 7-8 months of intense testing, less than 2% of the American population has tested positive. We will probably never actually get a total on how many test were actually given, or how many individual get tested regularly.

What should be a real indicator, and missing from the scoreboard, is a running two week total of deaths, and new cases. The quarantine time is two weeks, so the virus should have ran it's course in that 14 days, or less. The running total since the beginning doesn't really have much value, other than fear mongering. Anything past 14 days, is no longer relevant to the current status of the pandemic. Florida has had at least two, data dumps, of month old (and longer) test results, and death reports. Of course, there can be some expected problems, labs, the health departments, are operating at maximum capacity, and get a surplus on some days, backlogged. That stale data shouldn't be included with current data, specially if it's more than two weeks old. The two dumps that got noticed, were 10's of thousands of positives, reported on the same days.

What's really scary, is that for us to achieve a 'herd immunity', we need 60-70% of the population to have been exposed, either infected, or vaccinated. Less than 2% of the population has tested positive so far... I find it really odd that antibody testing isn't more popular. Would we want to know that? The current PCR test, only checks for an active infection, which is pretty useless, considering it requires a long Q-Tip, shoved 4" up the nose. If you were exposed, but not actively infected, when sampled, you are likely to get a negative result, but likely sick as hell, before you get that result. Least with an antibody test, they would know who had it, and whether or not the antibodies are going to last. When a vaccine becomes available, we would like to be able to give the first few precious doses, to those who actually need it. Why vaccinate someone, who already has the antibodies, the vaccine is suppose to produce? Herd immunity is the goal, since there is no chance of isolation, and eradication. We need to know how many people have been infected, not just the numbers of those currently infected. 97% of people infected, don't require medical assistance. The symptoms are no different than a mild cold, most people wouldn't have bother getting the PCR test to confirm.


The problem is, the statistics on Covid19 are mostly fake numbers. When you have people that died of accident, cancer, drug overdose, heart disease, or just plain old age listed as dying from Covid19, you have fake statistics, coroners committing felonies for money, and a lot of lawsuits forming.

Which is what is happening.


Don't think it's widespread fraud, but rather misinterpretation.

No, it's widespread fraud. They are doing it for the money.
HarveyH55 wrote:
The health department just wanted death certificates tag, as covid-19 a possible contributing factor. Some states took it to the extreme, and an suspicion, or death, that tested positive was tagged.

Yup. They are doing it for the money. That's fraud.
HarveyH55 wrote:
Clearly, a gunshot victim would have died, with or without infection. In Florida, we had several. One was a family of 4, car accident, died at the scene. The father tested positive, though not sure why they would test a corpse (practice?).

Same thing. It's for the money. They are scamming for federal money.
HarveyH55 wrote:
All 4 listed as covid-19 related deaths. Had a couple motorcycle accidents, same deal. The health department just need a quick way to identify cases to review later, as a possible contributing factor. Of course some states know that lots of people dying, means they get lots of money and supplies, at the taxpayer expense, which nobody bothers to look into where it all went, or how it was used. A surplus, could be sold off, the money could be used for other things, or even 'vanish'.

The way to fix it is to cut off the federal money tied to the number of cases reported and deaths reported due to Covid19.
HarveyH55 wrote:
Testing numbers are totally bogus, less than 2% of the population being tested, about a week to get results. Likely a whole lot of people don't bother with getting tested, it's a mild infect, a cold, for the vast majority of people.

Yes. It's no worse than a cold for most people, if they show symptoms at all.


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