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Storm Predictions05-01-2021 23:07
James___
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In the link, red is a good amount of ozone while blue represents a smaller amount. If you click through the pictures https://ozonewatch.gsfc.nasa.gov/NH.html, the low ozone area moving into the Arctic is supposed to cause storms in the Midwest and southeast as the polar vortex shifts as a result.

Just prior to the end of December and ongoing now through Jan. 5, 2021, there has been a surge in temperatures in the stratosphere above the Arctic Circle," AccuWeather's Lead Long-Range Meteorologist Paul Pastelok said.

The temperature surge in the layer of the atmosphere, which is located between 6 and 31 miles above the ground, could lead to a weakening of the polar vortex around 10-14 days later, he warned. When this storm near the North Pole that tends to keep Arctic air locked up weakens, it allows frigid air to escape and push southward toward the mid-latitudes such as the U.S.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/arctic-outbreaks-major-winter-storms-173400498.html

p.s., notice how they correlate temperature surge with less ozone?
Edited on 05-01-2021 23:12
06-01-2021 01:14
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So?
06-01-2021 01:24
HarveyH55
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Correlation, doesn't equate causation... Back in the 1970, we had an Ozone crisis, and a new ice age was coming soon, if we didn't act quickly. There were a couple of years of particularly bad winters, so it was an easy sell. People panic, governments banned all kinds of crazy stuff. Global Warming became trendy, and the ozone hole declared 'fixed'. The ozone hole remained over the antarctic, and continued to grow and shrink, every year. Almost as predictable, as polar ice melting, and reforming. The amount of change varies from year to year. Not every natural process needs to be reduced to a single element. It's a combination of many factors. Calculus doesn't allow for this. There must be only on correct solution to the problem. Experts tend to have a very narrow focus, and become blinded to the rest of the world. It's a very large, dynamic planet.
06-01-2021 02:28
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HarveyH55 wrote:
Correlation, doesn't equate causation... Back in the 1970, we had an Ozone crisis, and a new ice age was coming soon, if we didn't act quickly. There were a couple of years of particularly bad winters, so it was an easy sell. People panic, governments banned all kinds of crazy stuff. Global Warming became trendy, and the ozone hole declared 'fixed'. The ozone hole remained over the antarctic, and continued to grow and shrink, every year. Almost as predictable, as polar ice melting, and reforming. The amount of change varies from year to year. Not every natural process needs to be reduced to a single element. It's a combination of many factors. Calculus doesn't allow for this. There must be only on correct solution to the problem. Experts tend to have a very narrow focus, and become blinded to the rest of the world. It's a very large, dynamic planet.



No ozone crisis in 1970. We didn't have satellites then. Never heard of anyone flying a weather balloon over Antarctica or the Arctic. Not the easiest things to do.
As you say;
It's a very large, dynamic planet

I've been to 13 countries and counting. You've been to Oregon and Florida.
Why do you think I consider places other than Kentucky? When you've been to a lot of other places, it matters. And since I like science, it shows in my posts about how climate change affects different places.
At the same time, you readily discount history. That does matter. What helped the US win its independence from Britain was some very cold weather and a certain river that had frozen solid. How do you not know this?
George Washington was afraid of the Delaware River freezing over again. Then his crossing of that river would've been risky. What if his men fell through and froze? Or what if their boats couldn't cross the river? That's the battle that changed the revolution to his favor. And you're not aware of it.
That's kind of why we know it's getting warmer. Today, no such attack would be unexpected. The American Revolution would've been killed.

@ITN, I know this is the part that you hate. But I'm not responsible for how history turned out. And to you, it won't matter if we should do better by people.


And Harvey, you as a true patriotic American say it was just as warm on Dec. 25, 1776 as it is today. You love America. As someone who loves America, find out when was the last time the Delaware River froze over. If you fail to do this, God you're stupid. Such an easy way to say no warming occurs.
And yet you are right because? You say so just as Trump said he likes walking back stage at his pageants because it's his properties. 15 year old girls seemed to disagree. His best friend was Jefferey Epstein who was in his opinion a great man.
And as Trump said, my pageant, I can go anywhere and check the the girls out. Just wasn't shy about what an owner can do. And yet he's your hero.
And Harvey, you should say, can anyone prove he was looking at naked 15 year old girls because he owned the pageant? Can we prove he asked Georgia to find him more votes? We can't. But you love America, right?

As for Trump, he's always said that he and Jeff like young pretty girls. I mean seriously Harvey, 28 young girls for them to ogle. Just the 2 of them. What a guy.
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2019/07/trump-and-epstein-and-28-girls-new-york-times

Yep Harvey, what Trumpsters support. We should put it on our flag and say America is Great Again. Love those pretty young girls. That's REAL American values.
Edited on 06-01-2021 03:24
06-01-2021 02:54
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@All, a part of the climate debate is that a cooling stratosphere leads to a warming troposphere.
Does a warmer stratosphere which is predicted result in a warmer troposphere? This is causation.
They might be suggesting that the Arctic will warm because of the warmer stratosphere. The troposphere is supposed to cool when the stratosphere warms. Basically the warmer air of the stratosphere warms the troposphere in the arctic. This would be because heat quits rising via warm air thermals along polar jet stream.
In this instance, what allows the jet stream to shift? It's possible that the jet stream is pursuing a cooler stratosphere, one with more ozone in it. Just don't have access to the data I'd like to see.
This gets highly technical. This changes how warmer air from the tropopause into the stratosphere changes jet streams. Thing is, considering how a warmer stratosphere can influence the jet stream is probably more advanced than what you guys are ready for. It's not personal but it will bother you guys.
I'll try to give you guys an idea. The jet stream is like a tornado. A tornado is caused by cold northern air and warm southern air colliding. With the jet streams, it's probably the Van Allen Radiation belts and the Earth's different layers of its atmosphere interacting. Kind of why it's horizontal and not vertical. Like I said, it can get complicated. And internet searches are free. Check out the radiation belts and jet streams.
Edited on 06-01-2021 03:28
06-01-2021 03:29
James___
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Repeated post, deleted it. And Harvey, if your leisure time doesn't allow you to understand basic earth sciences, why are you here? Are you even aware of when the cathedrals in Europe were built?
I would ask about the Revolutionary War but you seem to be completely ignorant of how America came into being. Just no knowledge of it. It's rather difficult when Americans have no understanding of what settlers went through and how different tribes helped them.
Because England is warmed by the Gulf Stream, settlers were ill prepared for the cold weather of the North American continent. How any American does not know this, just no explanation for such ignorance. You have no clue how America became a country. That explains the perception of the climate debate. Americans really do not understand their own history.
Edited on 06-01-2021 03:37
06-01-2021 04:28
James___
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Not sure on this but if the Medieval Warm Period only lasted 300 years, we're 150 years into this warm period. At the same time, in 2016 the Earth's rotation increased in velocity. Will it's core radiate less heat as a result? The Little Ice Age lasted about 570 years. Maybe the inter-glacial period is coming to an end?
It does take about 80,000 years for a full on ice age to hit. And since according to scientists, the Earth's rotational velocity is increasing, this suggests that it's moment of inertia relative to the Sun's gravity is now allowing for the Earth to be more efficient in translating the Sun's gravitational effect into it's own momentum.
As far as inter-glacial periods go according to scientists, we're near the end of ours. They are short lived but do allow for the best life on the planet unless you're a polar bear. Kind of why we don't get along. You guys say the Earth only has one climate and yet the Great Cool Down might be underway.
That kind of goes back to Churchill and knowing the past. If anything, all we can do is to usher in cold weather. That's what warm weather brings. And if you live in the Philippines, a 1,000 years from now if not sooner, like 300 hundred years from now, it won't be so tropical.
06-01-2021 04:35
James___
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If you guys want, I can explain to you how the Earth's velocity through space and the length of it's day translates to the Sun's gravitational effect. This is like why does Venus have 93 earth atmosphere's of pressure yet it's atmosphere doesn't expand.
We actually discussed this a couple of years ago and it involved Einstein's General Theory of Relativity and how light from a distant star bends around the Sun. It didn't agree with Newton's Theory of Gravity. The bend was twice what his gravity allowed for.
Venus is closer to the Sun than the Earth is. And yes, this gets into climate debate. How does the Sun's gravitational field translate into energy in our atmosphere?

And please remember, an atmosphere has pressure because it is contained by the planets magnetic field. With Venus at 93 earth atmospheres; in this link, look at magnetic field in thousands of times Earth's, This suggests their plasma field is suspended between 2 magnetic lines which traps it's heat/energy. This is like the aurora's in the magnetosphere.
https://www.iter.org/newsline/-/2556
Edited on 06-01-2021 04:46
06-01-2021 04:48
James___
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C'mon guys. If the Sun's gravitational field is relative to the inverse square law, at what distance is it's gravity squared?
06-01-2021 04:58
Into the NightProfile picture★★★★★
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James___ wrote:
HarveyH55 wrote:
Correlation, doesn't equate causation... Back in the 1970, we had an Ozone crisis, and a new ice age was coming soon, if we didn't act quickly. There were a couple of years of particularly bad winters, so it was an easy sell. People panic, governments banned all kinds of crazy stuff. Global Warming became trendy, and the ozone hole declared 'fixed'. The ozone hole remained over the antarctic, and continued to grow and shrink, every year. Almost as predictable, as polar ice melting, and reforming. The amount of change varies from year to year. Not every natural process needs to be reduced to a single element. It's a combination of many factors. Calculus doesn't allow for this. There must be only on correct solution to the problem. Experts tend to have a very narrow focus, and become blinded to the rest of the world. It's a very large, dynamic planet.



No ozone crisis in 1970.

70s' idiot. He meant 70's. The ozone 'hole' was first discovered by sounding rockets in the late 60's and early 70's. A 'crisis' was manufactured by DuPont to maintain it's monopoly on refrigerants in 1975 since it's patents were running out on R12. CFC's (the component used in making R12) were blamed for destroying the ozone layer despite the fact that these chemicals are chemically inert with ozone, and they are heavier than air. Idiots like you believed them.
James___ wrote:
We didn't have satellites then.

The first satellite was launched in 1957. It was a simple radio beacon. It was launched by the USSR.
James___ wrote:
Never heard of anyone flying a weather balloon over Antarctica or the Arctic. Not the easiest things to do.

It's easier to fly a weather or a hot air balloon at the poles than anywhere else on Earth, due to the low temperatures at sea level.
James___ wrote:
As you say;
It's a very large, dynamic planet

I've been to 13 countries and counting. You've been to Oregon and Florida.

...so?
James___ wrote:
Why do you think I consider places other than Kentucky? When you've been to a lot of other places, it matters. And since I like science,

You deny science.
James___ wrote:
it shows in my posts about how climate change affects different places.

Define 'climate change'.
James___ wrote:
At the same time, you readily discount history. That does matter.

Inversion fallacy. You deny history.
James___ wrote:
What helped the US win its independence from Britain was some very cold weather and a certain river that had frozen solid. How do you not know this?

Nope. What helped the US win its independence was the revolutionary war, which was successful.
James___ wrote:
George Washington was afraid of the Delaware River freezing over again. Then his crossing of that river would've been risky. What if his men fell through and froze? Or what if their boats couldn't cross the river? That's the battle that changed the revolution to his favor. And you're not aware of it.

Crossing this river, whether it's frozen or not, is possible. This river partially froze in 2018 and DID freeze over entirely in 2014.
James___ wrote:
That's kind of why we know it's getting warmer. Today, no such attack would be unexpected. The American Revolution would've been killed.

The frozen river certainly helped the Patriot army, but that did not win the war.
James___ wrote:
@ITN, I know this is the part that you hate. But I'm not responsible for how history turned out. And to you, it won't matter if we should do better by people.

Random word salad. Ignored.
James___ wrote:
And Harvey, you as a true patriotic American say it was just as warm on Dec. 25, 1776 as it is today. You love America. As someone who loves America, find out when was the last time the Delaware River froze over. If you fail to do this, God you're stupid. Such an easy way to say no warming occurs.

The last time the Delaware river froze over was in 2014.


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06-01-2021 05:20
James___
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Into the Night wrote:

James wrote:

What helped the US win its independence from Britain was some very cold weather and a certain river that had frozen solid. How do you not know this?

Nope. What helped the US win its independence was the revolutionary war, which was successful.




If the war was successful then why is a political group trying to overthrow the election? Some people are still fighting to void the Republic which is the United States. They do not accept it's constitution.

p.s., winning that war is considered a conclusion. Sadly ITN, you remind me of my mother. She was part Native American yet had no understanding of reality. I guess that's how people like her are. And in knowing you, I understand now why she didn't want me to have a life.
Edited on 06-01-2021 05:26
06-01-2021 05:29
HarveyH55
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What a load of crap to sort through, mostly irrelevant to pretty much anything... I've only lived in two states, doesn't mean I have been to others briefly. I'm just not flighty, or trying to escape. Studying the past, and history, is occasionally interesting, entertaining, maybe informative. I just have other interests and hobbies, which fun facts seldom have any impact. You can change, what has already happened, and there is little likelihood many of those historical things you worship, will ever happen again. Very little use, or value to my interests, basically a waste of time, trivial stuff, that matters little, other than to maybe impress the poorly educated. I'm just not that impressed easily.
06-01-2021 05:48
James___
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HarveyH55 wrote:
What a load of crap to sort through, mostly irrelevant to pretty much anything... I've only lived in two states, doesn't mean I have been to others briefly. I'm just not flighty, or trying to escape. Studying the past, and history, is occasionally interesting, entertaining, maybe informative. I just have other interests and hobbies, which fun facts seldom have any impact. You can change, what has already happened, and there is little likelihood many of those historical things you worship, will ever happen again. Very little use, or value to my interests, basically a waste of time, trivial stuff, that matters little, other than to maybe impress the poorly educated. I'm just not that impressed easily.



I hope you don't mind my correcting your Engleske?

I'm just not that impressed easily.


Easily is a descriptive adjective. Such as, I'm not that easily impressed.

A descriptive adjective goes in front of the verb. It describes it. In your context,
I'm not that impressed, (comma) then an adverb such usually. It creates a condition on what impresses you. Just love you Americans.
As for the rest of your post, your poor Engleske makes it difficult what you're trying to say.
What a load of crap to sort through

Do you usually go through poop? It seems that you like sorting it.
mostly irrelevant to pretty much anything
poop usually isn't relevant. Why do you think it is?
I've only lived in two states, doesn't mean I have been to others briefly.

2 states is not the same as 2 countries. Myself, have lived in Florida, Washington, California, Arizona, Kentucky and Ohio. There's also Tennessee. That's excluding Norway.
If you don't get it, because of my hearing loss, no joking allowed. Either beg for you to like me or just be better than you. Everything in between is socialism.
06-01-2021 06:09
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James___ wrote:
Into the Night wrote:

James wrote:

What helped the US win its independence from Britain was some very cold weather and a certain river that had frozen solid. How do you not know this?

Nope. What helped the US win its independence was the revolutionary war, which was successful.




If the war was successful then why is a political group trying to overthrow the election?

Different war, different group.
James___ wrote:
Some people are still fighting to void the Republic which is the United States.

And there will also be those that do.
James___ wrote:
They do not accept it's constitution.

Correct.
James___ wrote:
p.s., winning that war is considered a conclusion.

You are now no longer talking about the revolutionary war. If you want to talk about those those who want to overthrow the United States, that is a different topic entirely.
James___ wrote:
Sadly ITN, you remind me of my mother. She was part Native American yet had no understanding of reality.

Buzzword fallacy. You can't even define what 'reality' is. No one is part Native American. She was either born here or she wasn't. Which is it, dude?
James___ wrote:
I guess that's how people like her are. And in knowing you, I understand now why she didn't want me to have a life.

She gave it to you didn't she? Or were you born in a test tube? Are you the result of a life creation experiment that went horribly wrong?


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06-01-2021 06:13
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James___ wrote:
HarveyH55 wrote:
What a load of crap to sort through, mostly irrelevant to pretty much anything... I've only lived in two states, doesn't mean I have been to others briefly. I'm just not flighty, or trying to escape. Studying the past, and history, is occasionally interesting, entertaining, maybe informative. I just have other interests and hobbies, which fun facts seldom have any impact. You can change, what has already happened, and there is little likelihood many of those historical things you worship, will ever happen again. Very little use, or value to my interests, basically a waste of time, trivial stuff, that matters little, other than to maybe impress the poorly educated. I'm just not that impressed easily.



I hope you don't mind my correcting your Engleske?

I'm just not that impressed easily.


Easily is a descriptive adjective. Such as, I'm not that easily impressed.

Either use is correct, O incorrect grammar cop.
James___ wrote:
A descriptive adjective goes in front of the verb. It describes it. In your context,

Nope. It can go anywhere, O incorrect grammar cop.
James___ wrote:
Do you usually go through poop?

You do seem to make a lot of it.
James___ wrote:
It seems that you like sorting it.

And he was up to the task, nasty as it was.
James___ wrote:
mostly irrelevant to pretty much anything
poop usually isn't relevant. Why do you think it is?
I've only lived in two states, doesn't mean I have been to others briefly.

2 states is not the same as 2 countries. Myself, have lived in Florida, Washington, California, Arizona, Kentucky and Ohio. There's also Tennessee. That's excluding Norway.
If you don't get it, because of my hearing loss, no joking allowed. Either beg for you to like me or just be better than you. Everything in between is socialism.

Random word salad. Try English. It works better.


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Debunked in my sig. - tmiddles

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06-01-2021 06:25
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Into the Night wrote:


James___ wrote:
Do you usually go through poop?

You do seem to make a lot of it.
.


I do use laxatives. Want to know more? As Harvey states, I have a "crap bag".
I can post pictures of it if you and Harvey like. He seems to like it more than I do because of how much he mentions it.
A stoma for an ileostomy is smaller and is what I would prefer. It's also cleaner, no poop involved. It's actually called feces or stool when it's excreted from the colon. They don't seem to have a name for what comes from the small intestines.
And if you have an ileostomy, you might not have to urinate, it all is discharged through your small intestines. How cool is that?
Edited on 06-01-2021 06:32
06-01-2021 06:27
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HarveyH55 wrote:
What a load of crap to sort through, mostly irrelevant to pretty much anything... I've only lived in two states, doesn't mean I have been to others briefly. I'm just not flighty, or trying to escape. Studying the past, and history, is occasionally interesting, entertaining, maybe informative. I just have other interests and hobbies, which fun facts seldom have any impact. You can change, what has already happened, and there is little likelihood many of those historical things you worship, will ever happen again. Very little use, or value to my interests, basically a waste of time, trivial stuff, that matters little, other than to maybe impress the poorly educated. I'm just not that impressed easily.



You know Harvey, people who are fortunate enough to live in one place like you usually have a good life. Your posts say otherwise.
If you don't get it. you had one thing to worry about. How to have a good life. You are so lucky that way. I am jealous. If I say anything I would be bragging. But you're the lucky one.
Edited on 06-01-2021 06:53




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