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03-12-2024 10:26
Into the Night★★★★★ (22820)	Im a BM wrote: -log1.5 = -0.41 - TRUE OR FALSE? CORRECTING THE MATH ERROR TO CALCULATE pH of 1.5 N Nitric Acid You don't take the logarithm of the concentration, moron. The Parrot Killer Debunked in my sig. - tmiddles Google keeps track of paranoid talk and i'm not on their list. I've been evaluated and certified. - keepit nuclear powered ships do not require nuclear fuel. - Swan While it is true that fossils do not burn it is also true that fossil fuels burn very well - Swan
03-12-2024 18:04
Im a BM ★★★★☆ (1622)	Into the Night wrote: Im a BM wrote: -log1.5 = -0.41 - TRUE OR FALSE? CORRECTING THE MATH ERROR TO CALCULATE pH of 1.5 N Nitric Acid You don't take the logarithm of the concentration, moron. Quite surprisingly, you happen to be CORRECT this time. You DON'T take the logarithm of the concentration (moron). Actually, you take the NEGATIVE logarithm of the hydrogen ion ACTIVITY. If the activity coefficient is 1, as it would be in the case of 1.5 N acid, then this is the same value as the NEGATIVE logarithm of the hydrogen ion CONCENTRATION. However, you failed to even answer the MATH question. Hint: The answer is TRUE -log1.5 = -0.41 But by failing to answer, you raised the obvious question. What, exactly, DO you take, if "you don't take the logarithm of the concentration, moron"? And when you take all that, what is the pH of 1.5 N HNO3? The actual CHEMISTS, as well as IBdaMann's java code thing, say pH = -0.41 Into the Night will just say "RQAA" or "Mantra 30" or "You are no chemist". Because the REAL pH of a 1.5 N HNO3 solution is a secret that only ITN knows.
04-12-2024 01:52
Into the Night★★★★★ (22820)	Im a BM wrote: Into the Night wrote: Im a BM wrote: -log1.5 = -0.41 - TRUE OR FALSE? CORRECTING THE MATH ERROR TO CALCULATE pH of 1.5 N Nitric Acid You don't take the logarithm of the concentration, moron. Quite surprisingly, you happen to be CORRECT this time. You DON'T take the logarithm of the concentration (moron). Yet you tried to. Im a BM wrote: Actually, you take the NEGATIVE logarithm of the hydrogen ion ACTIVITY. It's not that either. Im a BM wrote: If the activity coefficient is 1, as it would be in the case of 1.5 N acid, then this is the same value as the NEGATIVE logarithm of the hydrogen ion CONCENTRATION. You don't use the concentration, moron. You are locked in another paradox. You cannot argue both sides of a paradox. Im a BM wrote: However, you failed to even answer the MATH question. What 'math question'? Im a BM wrote: Hint: The answer is TRUE -log1.5 = -0.41 Not possible. Im a BM wrote: But by failing to answer, you raised the obvious question. I raised no question. You are hallucinating. Im a BM wrote: What, exactly, DO you take, if "you don't take the logarithm of the concentration, moron"? And right there, you show you do not understand even what pH is. Im a BM wrote: And when you take all that, what is the pH of 1.5 N HNO3? RQAA Im a BM wrote: The actual CHEMISTS, as well as IBdaMann's java code thing, say pH = -0.41 Not possible. Im a BM wrote: Into the Night will just say "RQAA" or "Mantra 30" or "You are no chemist". As long as you continue to ask questions repetitively that have already been answered, or as long as you try to put words in people's mouths,or as long as you pretend to be a chemist; that is true. Im a BM wrote: Because the REAL pH of a 1.5 N HNO3 solution is a secret that only ITN knows. It's no secret (other than to YOU obviously!). You just don't know what pH is. The Parrot Killer Debunked in my sig. - tmiddles Google keeps track of paranoid talk and i'm not on their list. I've been evaluated and certified. - keepit nuclear powered ships do not require nuclear fuel. - Swan While it is true that fossils do not burn it is also true that fossil fuels burn very well - Swan
04-12-2024 04:02
Im a BM ★★★★☆ (1622)	GOOGLE IS GOD! Someone finally had to go ahead and just say it, okay? Google search terms: "concentrated hydrochloric acid pH" Goo-goo-google says to that "The pH of concentrated hydrochloric acid is approximately between -1 and -1.1" You have to dilute that stuff TEN FOLD to bring the pH UP to ZERO. You have to dilute concentrated hydrochloric acid tenfold with water to make a solution of 1 N HCl with pH = 0 (pH zero) Into the Night is a pest pretending to know something about how pH cannot possibly be below zero and he is a boring nuisance. Into the Night wrote: Im a BM wrote: -log1.5 = -0.41 - TRUE OR FALSE? CORRECTING THE MATH ERROR TO CALCULATE pH of 1.5 N Nitric Acid You don't take the logarithm of the concentration, moron. Quite surprisingly, you happen to be CORRECT this time. You DON'T take the logarithm of the concentration (moron). Actually, you take the NEGATIVE logarithm of the hydrogen ion ACTIVITY. If the activity coefficient is 1, as it would be in the case of 1.5 N acid, then this is the same value as the NEGATIVE logarithm of the hydrogen ion CONCENTRATION. However, you failed to even answer the MATH question. Hint: The answer is TRUE -log1.5 = -0.41 But by failing to answer, you raised the obvious question. What, exactly, DO you take, if "you don't take the logarithm of the concentration, moron"? And when you take all that, what is the pH of 1.5 N HNO3? The actual CHEMISTS, as well as IBdaMann's java code thing, say pH = -0.41 Into the Night will just say "RQAA" or "Mantra 30" or "You are no chemist". Because the REAL pH of a 1.5 N HNO3 solution is a secret that only ITN knows. Or maybe he'll drop the bomb and finally tell us, "There is no such thing as pH"
04-12-2024 04:56
Into the Night★★★★★ (22820)	Im a BM wrote: GOOGLE IS GOD! Someone finally had to go ahead and just say it, okay? Google search terms: "concentrated hydrochloric acid pH" Goo-goo-google says to that "The pH of concentrated hydrochloric acid is approximately between -1 and -1.1" You have to dilute that stuff TEN FOLD to bring the pH UP to ZERO. You have to dilute concentrated hydrochloric acid tenfold with water to make a solution of 1 N HCl with pH = 0 (pH zero) Well...most everyone has a religion. Yours is a sad one. Im a BM wrote: Into the Night is a pest pretending to know something about how pH cannot possibly be below zero and he is a boring nuisance. Bulverism fallacy. The Parrot Killer Debunked in my sig. - tmiddles Google keeps track of paranoid talk and i'm not on their list. I've been evaluated and certified. - keepit nuclear powered ships do not require nuclear fuel. - Swan While it is true that fossils do not burn it is also true that fossil fuels burn very well - Swan

04-12-2024 05:51
Im a BM ★★★★☆ (1622)	5 N Nitric acid with pH = -0.7! DAMN! The pH of a 5 N nitric acid solution is -0.7 The pH equals MINUS ZERO, POINT SEVEN! Technically, that pH is actually BELOW ZERO. Perhaps sometimes we have to abandon the LETTER of the law to uphold the SPIRIT of the law. So far, the Chemistry Police haven't arrested 5 N nitric acid for its illegal pH, but they haven't even started the mass redefinitions yet. So, Into the Night, at what point in your chemistry education did you learn that "pH cannot be less than or equal to zero"? Has anyone who you regard as a real chemist ever written any of this down and published it where anyone else can find it? Is there some kind of BOOK or paper or magazine where ANY "CHEMIST" BESIDES INTO THE NIGHT makes the assertion that "pH cannot be less than or equal to zero" Science is not a publication. But real scientists publish their shit so that other scientists can read it. Did a real scientist ever publish this rule of chemistry that "pH cannot be less than or equal to zero"? No, it can't be found in any such publication. Those rags that pretend to be scientific journals are not SCIENCE, so the data tables showing pH less than zero for something aren't real and it's obviously just a MATH ERROR Rewrite the MATH BOOKS now, because -log1.5 does NOT equal -0.41 It CANNOT equal less than zero, because that would mean that the negative logarithm of hydrogen ion (H+) moles per liter in a 1.5 N solution of nitric acid would have to equal -0.41. And that would make the pH = -0.41 NO! NO! NO! Oh, my religion is a sad one. Into the Night wrote: Im a BM wrote: GOOGLE IS GOD! Someone finally had to go ahead and just say it, okay? Google search terms: "concentrated hydrochloric acid pH" Goo-goo-google says to that "The pH of concentrated hydrochloric acid is approximately between -1 and -1.1" You have to dilute that stuff TEN FOLD to bring the pH UP to ZERO. You have to dilute concentrated hydrochloric acid tenfold with water to make a solution of 1 N HCl with pH = 0 (pH zero) Well...most everyone has a religion. Yours is a sad one. Im a BM wrote: Into the Night is a pest pretending to know something about how pH cannot possibly be below zero and he is a boring nuisance. Bulverism fallacy. Edited on 04-12-2024 05:59
04-12-2024 07:52
Im a BM ★★★★☆ (1622)	5 N Nitric acid with pH = -0.7! DAMN! The pH of a 5 N nitric acid solution is -0.7 The pH equals MINUS ZERO, POINT SEVEN! Technically, that pH is actually BELOW ZERO. Perhaps sometimes we have to abandon the LETTER of the law to uphold the SPIRIT of the law. So far, the Chemistry Police haven't arrested 5 N nitric acid for its illegal pH, but they haven't even started the mass redefinitions yet. So, Into the Night, at what point in your chemistry education did you learn that "pH cannot be less than or equal to zero"? Has anyone who you regard as a real chemist ever written any of this down and published it where anyone else can find it? Is there some kind of BOOK or paper or magazine where ANY "CHEMIST" BESIDES INTO THE NIGHT makes the assertion that "pH cannot be less than or equal to zero" Science is not a publication. But real scientists publish their shit so that other scientists can read it. Did a real scientist ever publish this rule of chemistry that "pH cannot be less than or equal to zero"? No, it can't be found in any such publication. Those rags that pretend to be scientific journals are not SCIENCE, so the data tables showing pH less than zero for something aren't real and it's obviously just a MATH ERROR Rewrite the MATH BOOKS now, because -log1.5 does NOT equal -0.41 It CANNOT equal less than zero, because that would mean that the negative logarithm of hydrogen ion (H+) moles per liter in a 1.5 N solution of nitric acid would have to equal -0.41. And that would make the pH = -0.41 NO! NO! NO! Oh, my religion is a sad one. Into the Night wrote: Im a BM wrote: GOOGLE IS GOD! Someone finally had to go ahead and just say it, okay? Google search terms: "concentrated hydrochloric acid pH" Goo-goo-google says to that "The pH of concentrated hydrochloric acid is approximately between -1 and -1.1" You have to dilute that stuff TEN FOLD to bring the pH UP to ZERO. You have to dilute concentrated hydrochloric acid tenfold with water to make a solution of 1 N HCl with pH = 0 (pH zero) Well...most everyone has a religion. Yours is a sad one. Im a BM wrote: Into the Night is a pest pretending to know something about how pH cannot possibly be below zero and he is a boring nuisance. Bulverism fallacy. What the pHuck is "Bulverism pHallacy"? Well, pHuck you, you pHucking pHake chemist. You pHoul the pHorum with pHalse "pHacts". You are a pHraud and a pHaker. A pHucking pHeeble minded pHascist who pHails to pHind any pHriends who would want pHellowship with such a pHool. You are no pHun to play with, so nobody wants to play with you.
04-12-2024 08:15
Into the Night★★★★★ (22820)	Im a BM wrote: 5 N Nitric acid with pH = -0.7! DAMN! The pH of a 5 N nitric acid solution is -0.7 The pH equals MINUS ZERO, POINT SEVEN! Argument from randU fallacy. pH cannot be negative. Im a BM wrote: Technically, that pH is actually BELOW ZERO. pH cannot be negative. Im a BM wrote: Perhaps sometimes we have to abandon the LETTER of the law to uphold the SPIRIT of the law. Ignoring the law is ignoring the law, dumbass. Im a BM wrote: So far, the Chemistry Police haven't arrested 5 N nitric acid for its illegal pH, but they haven't even started the mass redefinitions yet. So, Into the Night, at what point in your chemistry education did you learn that "pH cannot be less than or equal to zero"? Has anyone who you regard as a real chemist ever written any of this down and published it where anyone else can find it? You are only showing your own illiteracy again, Robert. Im a BM wrote: Is there some kind of BOOK or paper or magazine where ANY "CHEMIST" BESIDES INTO THE NIGHT makes the assertion that "pH cannot be less than or equal to zero" RQAA. Im a BM wrote: Science is not a publication. But real scientists publish their shit so that other scientists can read it. Did a real scientist ever publish this rule of chemistry that "pH cannot be less than or equal to zero"? RQAA Im a BM wrote: No, it can't be found in any such publication. Those rags that pretend to be scientific journals are not SCIENCE, so the data tables showing pH less than zero for something aren't real and it's obviously just a MATH ERROR Argument from randU fallacy. Im a BM wrote: Rewrite the MATH BOOKS now, because -log1.5 does NOT equal -0.41 Math error. The Parrot Killer Debunked in my sig. - tmiddles Google keeps track of paranoid talk and i'm not on their list. I've been evaluated and certified. - keepit nuclear powered ships do not require nuclear fuel. - Swan While it is true that fossils do not burn it is also true that fossil fuels burn very well - Swan
04-12-2024 09:14
Im a BM ★★★★☆ (1622)	I AM EMBARASSED HOW WRONG I GOT IT I did not bother to do the math myself. I said that -log1.5 = -0.41. WRONG WRONG WRONG The (self corrected) correct answer -log1.5 = -0.176 My mistake originated from copying a number calculated by IBdaMann. IBdaMann had calculated -ln[H+] for a 1.5 N nitric acid solution, incorrectly calling this pH and giving the answer as pH = -0.4056.... I didn't bother to double check his math. It showed pH less than zero, and that was all I needed to make my point. But after posting this (below) it dawned on me. If 5 N nitric acid has pH = -0.7, there was NO WAY that 1.5 N nitric acid could have pH = -0.41. So I FINALLY double checked the math. Lo and behold, there really WAS a MATH ERROR. Correcting that error dramatically revised the pH calculated for a 1.5 N nitric acid solution, raising it from pH = -0.41 instead to pH = -0.176 I thought that IBdaMann was using the correct formula, with base-10 logarithms (log) rather than base-"e" natural logs (ln) He was NOT using the correct math equation to calculate pH. However, the corrected pH value is still LESS THAN ZERO. Into the Night wrote: Im a BM wrote: 5 N Nitric acid with pH = -0.7! DAMN! The pH of a 5 N nitric acid solution is -0.7 The pH equals MINUS ZERO, POINT SEVEN! Argument from randU fallacy. pH cannot be negative. Im a BM wrote: Technically, that pH is actually BELOW ZERO. pH cannot be negative. Im a BM wrote: Perhaps sometimes we have to abandon the LETTER of the law to uphold the SPIRIT of the law. Ignoring the law is ignoring the law, dumbass. Im a BM wrote: So far, the Chemistry Police haven't arrested 5 N nitric acid for its illegal pH, but they haven't even started the mass redefinitions yet. So, Into the Night, at what point in your chemistry education did you learn that "pH cannot be less than or equal to zero"? Has anyone who you regard as a real chemist ever written any of this down and published it where anyone else can find it? You are only showing your own illiteracy again, Robert. Im a BM wrote: Is there some kind of BOOK or paper or magazine where ANY "CHEMIST" BESIDES INTO THE NIGHT makes the assertion that "pH cannot be less than or equal to zero" RQAA. Im a BM wrote: Science is not a publication. But real scientists publish their shit so that other scientists can read it. Did a real scientist ever publish this rule of chemistry that "pH cannot be less than or equal to zero"? RQAA Im a BM wrote: No, it can't be found in any such publication. Those rags that pretend to be scientific journals are not SCIENCE, so the data tables showing pH less than zero for something aren't real and it's obviously just a MATH ERROR Argument from randU fallacy. Im a BM wrote: Rewrite the MATH BOOKS now, because -log1.5 does NOT equal -0.41 Math error.
04-12-2024 20:01
Into the Night★★★★★ (22820)	Im a BM wrote: I AM EMBARASSED HOW WRONG I GOT IT ...deleted whining... Stop whining. Stop spamming. I already know you can't figure out what pH is. The Parrot Killer Debunked in my sig. - tmiddles Google keeps track of paranoid talk and i'm not on their list. I've been evaluated and certified. - keepit nuclear powered ships do not require nuclear fuel. - Swan While it is true that fossils do not burn it is also true that fossil fuels burn very well - Swan Edited on 04-12-2024 20:02
04-12-2024 21:16
Im a BM ★★★★☆ (1622)	I AM EMBARASSED HOW WRONG I GOT IT I did not bother to do the math myself. I said that -log1.5 = -0.41. WRONG WRONG WRONG The (self corrected) correct answer -log1.5 = -0.176 My mistake originated from copying a number calculated by IBdaMann. IBdaMann had calculated -ln[H+] for a 1.5 N nitric acid solution, incorrectly calling this pH and giving the answer as pH = -0.4056.... I didn't bother to double check his math. It showed pH less than zero, and that was all I needed to make my point. But after posting this (below) it dawned on me. If 5 N nitric acid has pH = -0.7, there was NO WAY that 1.5 N nitric acid could have pH = -0.41. So I FINALLY double checked the math. Lo and behold, there really WAS a MATH ERROR. Correcting that error dramatically revised the pH calculated for a 1.5 N nitric acid solution, raising it from pH = -0.41 instead to pH = -0.176 I thought that IBdaMann was using the correct formula, with base-10 logarithms (log) rather than base-"e" natural logs (ln) He was NOT using the correct math equation to calculate pH. However, the corrected pH value is still LESS THAN ZERO. Into the Night wrote: Im a BM wrote: 5 N Nitric acid with pH = -0.7! DAMN! The pH of a 5 N nitric acid solution is -0.7 The pH equals MINUS ZERO, POINT SEVEN! Argument from randU fallacy. pH cannot be negative. Im a BM wrote: Technically, that pH is actually BELOW ZERO. pH cannot be negative. Im a BM wrote: Perhaps sometimes we have to abandon the LETTER of the law to uphold the SPIRIT of the law. Ignoring the law is ignoring the law, dumbass. Im a BM wrote: So far, the Chemistry Police haven't arrested 5 N nitric acid for its illegal pH, but they haven't even started the mass redefinitions yet. So, Into the Night, at what point in your chemistry education did you learn that "pH cannot be less than or equal to zero"? Has anyone who you regard as a real chemist ever written any of this down and published it where anyone else can find it? You are only showing your own illiteracy again, Robert. Im a BM wrote: Is there some kind of BOOK or paper or magazine where ANY "CHEMIST" BESIDES INTO THE NIGHT makes the assertion that "pH cannot be less than or equal to zero" RQAA. Im a BM wrote: Science is not a publication. But real scientists publish their shit so that other scientists can read it. Did a real scientist ever publish this rule of chemistry that "pH cannot be less than or equal to zero"? RQAA Im a BM wrote: No, it can't be found in any such publication. Those rags that pretend to be scientific journals are not SCIENCE, so the data tables showing pH less than zero for something aren't real and it's obviously just a MATH ERROR Argument from randU fallacy. Im a BM wrote: Rewrite the MATH BOOKS now, because -log1.5 does NOT equal -0.41 Math error. My bad. My embarrassing bad... I didn't bother to check what the value -log1.5 actually was. "Rewrite the MATH BOOKS now, because -log1.5 does NOT equal -0.41" To which Into the Night CORRECTLY responds "Math error." My sarcasm boomerangs back on me... No, -log1.5 does NOT equal -0.41 -log1.5 = -0.176 and pH = -0.176 as well, for a 1.5 N nitric acid solution. Edited on 04-12-2024 21:18
05-12-2024 23:57
Into the Night★★★★★ (22820)	Im a BM wrote: I AM EMBARASSED HOW WRONG I GOT IT Stop spamming. The Parrot Killer Debunked in my sig. - tmiddles Google keeps track of paranoid talk and i'm not on their list. I've been evaluated and certified. - keepit nuclear powered ships do not require nuclear fuel. - Swan While it is true that fossils do not burn it is also true that fossil fuels burn very well - Swan
06-12-2024 01:51
Im a BM ★★★★☆ (1622)	Into the Night wrote: Im a BM wrote: I AM EMBARASSED HOW WRONG I GOT IT Stop spamming. Stop EVADING you cowardly "chemist" faker. You keep insisting that "pH cannot be at or below zero" You NEVER ONCE EXPLAINED WHY. WHY can pH NOT be at or below zero? Abundant evidence has been presented that pH CAN be and IS below zero in ANY STRONG ACID SOLUTION with greater than 1 N [H+] You have never even shown that you know how pH is calculated. Do you at least agree that pH = -log[H+]? Your Chemistry Clown act consists of repeating the same four or five word sentence over and over and over and over... it doesn't really advance any argument based on any knowledge whatsoever of actual chemistry. There are hundreds of different chemistry textbooks that all acknowledge that a solution can have pH greater than 14 and less than 0. What textbook did you learn YOUR "chemistry" from, where a 1.5 N nitric acid solution is not ALLOWED to have pH = -0.176? Is this coming from your infallible omniscience? Is it possible that you are the ONLY "chemist" in the world who knows the scientific truth that "pH cannot be less than or equal to zero"? IBdaMann doesn't have to intellectual honesty to admit the obvious and self evident truth of this impasse. You are literally incapable of understanding the chemistry facts about pH.
06-12-2024 10:25
Into the Night★★★★★ (22820)	Im a BM wrote: Into the Night wrote: Im a BM wrote: I AM EMBARASSED HOW WRONG I GOT IT Stop spamming. Stop EVADING you cowardly "chemist" faker. Inversion fallacy. Stop spamming. Stop whining. The Parrot Killer Debunked in my sig. - tmiddles Google keeps track of paranoid talk and i'm not on their list. I've been evaluated and certified. - keepit nuclear powered ships do not require nuclear fuel. - Swan While it is true that fossils do not burn it is also true that fossil fuels burn very well - Swan
07-12-2024 00:55
Im a BM ★★★★☆ (1622)	Into the Night wrote: Im a BM wrote: Into the Night wrote: Im a BM wrote: I AM EMBARASSED HOW WRONG I GOT IT Stop spamming. Stop EVADING you cowardly "chemist" faker. Inversion fallacy. Stop spamming. Stop whining. Come on everybody! Join me in a SONG One, two, three... Oh, this crazy thing pretends that it's a "chemist" It doesn't even know that it's a TROLL Psychotically, it LIES and LIES, relentless I'd pity it, but it doesn't have a soul

07-12-2024 10:29
Into the Night★★★★★ (22820)	Im a BM wrote: Into the Night wrote: Im a BM wrote: Into the Night wrote: Im a BM wrote: I AM EMBARASSED HOW WRONG I GOT IT Stop spamming. Stop EVADING you cowardly "chemist" faker. Inversion fallacy. Stop spamming. Stop whining. Come on everybody! Join me in a SONG One, two, three... Oh, this crazy thing pretends that it's a "chemist" It doesn't even know that it's a TROLL Psychotically, it LIES and LIES, relentless I'd pity it, but it doesn't have a soul Singing about yourself won't accomplish anything, Robert. The Parrot Killer Debunked in my sig. - tmiddles Google keeps track of paranoid talk and i'm not on their list. I've been evaluated and certified. - keepit nuclear powered ships do not require nuclear fuel. - Swan While it is true that fossils do not burn it is also true that fossil fuels burn very well - Swan
07-12-2024 10:30
Into the Night★★★★★ (22820)	Im a BM wrote: Into the Night wrote: Im a BM wrote: I AM EMBARASSED HOW WRONG I GOT IT Stop spamming. WHY can pH NOT be at or below zero? RQAA The Parrot Killer Debunked in my sig. - tmiddles Google keeps track of paranoid talk and i'm not on their list. I've been evaluated and certified. - keepit nuclear powered ships do not require nuclear fuel. - Swan While it is true that fossils do not burn it is also true that fossil fuels burn very well - Swan
07-12-2024 17:56
Im a BM ★★★★☆ (1622)	Into the Night wrote: Im a BM wrote: Into the Night wrote: Im a BM wrote: I AM EMBARASSED HOW WRONG I GOT IT Stop spamming. WHY can pH NOT be at or below zero? RQAA Actually, you did NOT "RQAA" this. You NEVER offered any explanation, other than your claim that it CANNOT. For anyone who might be new to the discussion, why don't you go ahead and write it just ONE MORE TIME for those of us who can't seem to find the place where you ever "RQAA" before. Why can pH NOT be at or below zero? I have shown you both the math and chemistry that says pH CAN be at or below zero. What OTHER pH do you calculate for a 1 N HCl solution, if NOT pH = zero?

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