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satellite images24-03-2020 18:46
keepit
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Satellite images of china, and presumably the us and europe, show greatly reduced pollutants in the air as a result of reduced economic output. It can be reasonably inferred that CO2 production has also been reduced.
So...why can't we all just spend less money and produce less CO2? We don't need all those new cars (many of them are just vanity investments), and all those mcmansions (sales of mcmansions reached a 10 year high in february), and all those new airplane if we just quit flying (it's such a hassle nowadays) so much, and all those cruise ships if we quit going on all those cruises (i've never been on one). I understand it is mostly overeating and gambling. We should just spend half as much and work half as much. I know, i know, you're going to call me a hater of humanity, a marxist or a socialist, and a denier of science but i'm none of those. I don't understand the intricacies of co2 and climate any more than i understand all the intricacies of the human immune system but can i see the results.
Edited on 24-03-2020 18:51
24-03-2020 19:32
James___
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keepit wrote:
Satellite images of china, and presumably the us and europe, show greatly reduced pollutants in the air as a result of reduced economic output. It can be reasonably inferred that CO2 production has also been reduced.
So...why can't we all just spend less money and produce less CO2? We don't need all those new cars (many of them are just vanity investments), and all those mcmansions (sales of mcmansions reached a 10 year high in february), and all those new airplane if we just quit flying (it's such a hassle nowadays) so much, and all those cruise ships if we quit going on all those cruises (i've never been on one). I understand it is mostly overeating and gambling. We should just spend half as much and work half as much. I know, i know, you're going to call me a hater of humanity, a marxist or a socialist, and a denier of science but i'm none of those. I don't understand the intricacies of co2 and climate any more than i understand all the intricacies of the human immune system but can i see the results.



As social distancing and the closing of places where people gather are used to prevent the spread of coronavirus, why is this hurting economies around the world?
24-03-2020 19:42
Into the NightProfile picture★★★★★
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keepit wrote:
Satellite images of china, and presumably the us and europe, show greatly reduced pollutants in the air as a result of reduced economic output. It can be reasonably inferred that CO2 production has also been reduced.

What a solution. Stop economies to 'save the world'.
keepit wrote:
So...why can't we all just spend less money and produce less CO2?

Because people want to eat, live, and generally make their lives better.
keepit wrote:
We don't need all those new cars (many of them are just vanity investments),

YOU don't get to dictate what car I drive or when I decide to buy a car. You are not the king.
keepit wrote:
and all those mcmansions (sales of mcmansions reached a 10 year high in february),

YOU don't get to dictate what house I live in or how bit a property I can buy. You are not the king.
keepit wrote:
and all those new airplane

YOU don't get to decide what airplanes I buy, build, or fly. You are not the king.
keepit wrote:
if we just quit flying (it's such a hassle nowadays) so much,

YOU don't get to decide what mode of transportation people want to use. You are not the king.
keepit wrote:
and all those cruise ships

YOU don't get to decide what entertainment people have. You are not the king.
keepit wrote:
if we quit going on all those cruises (i've never been on one).

YOU don't get to decide what business people have. You are not the king.
keepit wrote:
I understand it is mostly overeating and gambling.

YOU don't get to arbitrarily decide how much people want to eat or whether they want to gamble or whether they want to travel. You are not the king.
keepit wrote:
We should just spend half as much and work half as much. I know, i know, you're going to call me a hater of humanity, a marxist or a socialist, and a denier of science but i'm none of those.

You are ALL of those, liar.
keepit wrote:
I don't understand the intricacies of co2 and climate any more than i understand all the intricacies of the human immune system but can i see the results.

You cannot see anything. You are MANUFACTURING the 'results'.

CO2 has no capability to warm the Earth.


The Parrot Killer
24-03-2020 20:14
HarveyH55
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Gas is $1.87/gal, so I'm driving my SUV as much as possible, while it lasts...

I think most people want to enjoy living, and not just be a continued burden on society. Life is work, shouldn't we get some enjoyment, from the result of that work?

You do realize, that buying less, means less work fewer jobs, less tax money, to pass out for your entitlement checks. People with less, are also less generous and charitable. You would obviously have much less to spend, since you don't work for what you get.
24-03-2020 20:33
keepit
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Geez Harvey,
I'm 77 and have 3 life threatening health problems plus orthopedic problems. I hope you don't want me to work.

ITN,
Those changes in spending habits were just suggestions but for you they were orders!

Consuming less and producing less pollution and less co2 would yield a more livable world for future generations.

I never thought i'd say this but we don't need NASA either. Exploring outer space is futile. We're not going any where until we get a totally different propulsion system. Ion drive and fusion engine aren't sufficient for stellar distances. I don't think humans can live on a spaceship very easily for thousands of years.
Edited on 24-03-2020 20:41
24-03-2020 20:57
IBdaMannProfile picture★★★★★
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keepit wrote: Satellite images of china, and presumably the us and europe, show greatly reduced pollutants in the air as a result of reduced economic output.

Of course. The sky's clarity comes with little HTML tags denoting the cause. I remember a particularly heavy fog in 2012 that made me curious as to how it could get so thick so I checked its tags and discovered that the cause was the strike by the Chicago Teachers Union. My thoughts were to get that same union to strike Global Warming away. Why aren't we pursuing that avenue?



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Sea level varies from place to place in the world - keepit

Clouds don't trap heat. Clouds block cold. - Spongy Iris

Printing dollars to pay debt doesn't increase the number of dollars. - keepit

If Venus were a black body it would have a much much lower temperature than what we found there.- tmiddles

Ah the "Valid Data" myth of ITN/IBD. - tmiddles

Ceist - I couldn't agree with you more. But when money and religion are involved, and there are people who value them above all else, then the lies begin. - trafn

You are completely misunderstanding their use of the word "accumulation"! - Climate Scientist.

The Stefan-Boltzman equation doesn't come up with the correct temperature if greenhouse gases are not considered - Hank

:*sigh* Not the "raw data" crap. - Leafsdude

IB STILL hasn't explained what Planck's Law means. Just more hand waving that it applies to everything and more asserting that the greenhouse effect 'violates' it.- Ceist
24-03-2020 21:17
HarveyH55
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keepit wrote:
Geez Harvey,
I'm 77 and have 3 life threatening health problems plus orthopedic problems. I hope you don't want me to work.

ITN,
Those changes in spending habits were just suggestions but for you they were orders!

Consuming less and producing less pollution and less co2 would yield a more livable world for future generations.

I never thought i'd say this but we don't need NASA either. Exploring outer space is futile. We're not going any where until we get a totally different propulsion system. Ion drive and fusion engine aren't sufficient for stellar distances. I don't think humans can live on a spaceship very easily for thousands of years.


NASA is a whole lot more than space travel. We all benefit from the technology they develop, reaching for those goals. The benefit isn't really reaching the goal/destination, but all the work that goes into getting there. It gives young people a goal, a dream, to work toward, get and education, do the best they can. Even if they don't get to be astronauts, or even get involved in the space program, they have the tools to do well, in whatever career they chose instead. Have to admit, than when Obama killed the space program, and put them in charge of studying climate, I thought he might as well just get rid of NASA all together.
24-03-2020 21:48
keepit
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Harvey,
Have you ever seen little kids in third world countries? I've seen a lot of them and i've never seen anyone who enjoys life more than they do. And they have less than anyone but they do have joy.
24-03-2020 22:28
Into the NightProfile picture★★★★★
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keepit wrote:
Geez Harvey,
I'm 77 and have 3 life threatening health problems plus orthopedic problems. I hope you don't want me to work.

I hope you don't care that your supplies are cut.
keepit wrote:
ITN,
Those changes in spending habits were just suggestions but for you they were orders!

You are not the king. You cannot give orders.
keepit wrote:
Consuming less and producing less pollution and less co2 would yield a more livable world for future generations.

CO2 does not make the world 'unlivable'.
Define 'pollution'.
keepit wrote:
I never thought i'd say this but we don't need NASA either. Exploring outer space is futile.

NASA hasn't been exploring outer space. These days, they can't even launch a manned mission to anywhere.
keepit wrote:
We're not going any where until we get a totally different propulsion system. Ion drive and fusion engine aren't sufficient for stellar distances. I don't think humans can live on a spaceship very easily for thousands of years.

Apparently what you mean by 'anywhere' is anywhere much beyond our own solar system.


The Parrot Killer
24-03-2020 22:31
Into the NightProfile picture★★★★★
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keepit wrote:
Harvey,
Have you ever seen little kids in third world countries? I've seen a lot of them and i've never seen anyone who enjoys life more than they do. And they have less than anyone but they do have joy.


Define 'third world country'.

Have you ever seen little kids in the United States? I have a street full of them. They enjoy life just as much as anyone.

Frankly, I doubt you've ever been to a 'third world country'.


The Parrot Killer
24-03-2020 23:41
keepit
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ITN,
You've called me a liar so many times on this particular website. Why is that?
25-03-2020 01:44
James___
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Into the Night wrote:
keepit wrote:
Harvey,
Have you ever seen little kids in third world countries? I've seen a lot of them and i've never seen anyone who enjoys life more than they do. And they have less than anyone but they do have joy.


Define 'third world country'.

Have you ever seen little kids in the United States? I have a street full of them. They enjoy life just as much as anyone.

Frankly, I doubt you've ever been to a 'third world country'.



I think Harvey told a fib. There's a lot of poverty in the Philippines. Of course, Harvey says they have "Joy" because they're poor yet he seems unhappy. He must therefore be rich. There's a billionaire who is a teacher at Stanford, he drives I think it's a 1987 Volkswagen van. From a story Forbes did on him.

Cheriton, 61, maintains a low profile. Google searches of his name turn up primitive Web pages in Times New Roman, not the LinkedIn and Facebook profiles that have become Silicon Valley standards. (He doesn't even tweet.) When I asked random Stanford students about him, several paused to think, then asked if his last name is spelled the same way as the Sheraton hotel chain.

That's the way Cheriton prefers it. He still drives the same 1986 Volkswagen Vanagon he had before he made his money, lives in the same Palo Alto home he's owned for the last 30 years and employs the same barber—himself. "It's not that I can't fathom a haircut," says Cheriton. "It's just easy to do myself, and it takes less time."
https://www.forbes.com/sites/ryanmac/2012/08/01/professor-billionaire-david-cheriton/#525b1c9915de

Sounds like another Harvey if you ask me.
Edited on 25-03-2020 01:46
25-03-2020 09:58
HarveyH55
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James___ wrote:
Into the Night wrote:
keepit wrote:
Harvey,
Have you ever seen little kids in third world countries? I've seen a lot of them and i've never seen anyone who enjoys life more than they do. And they have less than anyone but they do have joy.


Define 'third world country'.

Have you ever seen little kids in the United States? I have a street full of them. They enjoy life just as much as anyone.

Frankly, I doubt you've ever been to a 'third world country'.



I think Harvey told a fib. There's a lot of poverty in the Philippines. Of course, Harvey says they have "Joy" because they're poor yet he seems unhappy. He must therefore be rich. There's a billionaire who is a teacher at Stanford, he drives I think it's a 1987 Volkswagen van. From a story Forbes did on him.

Cheriton, 61, maintains a low profile. Google searches of his name turn up primitive Web pages in Times New Roman, not the LinkedIn and Facebook profiles that have become Silicon Valley standards. (He doesn't even tweet.) When I asked random Stanford students about him, several paused to think, then asked if his last name is spelled the same way as the Sheraton hotel chain.

That's the way Cheriton prefers it. He still drives the same 1986 Volkswagen Vanagon he had before he made his money, lives in the same Palo Alto home he's owned for the last 30 years and employs the same barber—himself. "It's not that I can't fathom a haircut," says Cheriton. "It's just easy to do myself, and it takes less time."
https://www.forbes.com/sites/ryanmac/2012/08/01/professor-billionaire-david-cheriton/#525b1c9915de

Sounds like another Harvey if you ask me.


What do you think I lied about?

I'm not even close to being a millionaire. Most of my wealth, was in my 401k, which I have looked to see how bad that went.

Poverty kids on TV are happy, because democrats gave them free stuff, and got a day off from the sweatshop. There is poverty all across the world, even here in America.
25-03-2020 15:59
James___
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HarveyH55 wrote:
James___ wrote:
Into the Night wrote:
keepit wrote:
Harvey,
Have you ever seen little kids in third world countries? I've seen a lot of them and i've never seen anyone who enjoys life more than they do. And they have less than anyone but they do have joy.


Define 'third world country'.

Have you ever seen little kids in the United States? I have a street full of them. They enjoy life just as much as anyone.

Frankly, I doubt you've ever been to a 'third world country'.



I think Harvey told a fib. There's a lot of poverty in the Philippines. Of course, Harvey says they have "Joy" because they're poor yet he seems unhappy. He must therefore be rich. There's a billionaire who is a teacher at Stanford, he drives I think it's a 1987 Volkswagen van. From a story Forbes did on him.

Cheriton, 61, maintains a low profile. Google searches of his name turn up primitive Web pages in Times New Roman, not the LinkedIn and Facebook profiles that have become Silicon Valley standards. (He doesn't even tweet.) When I asked random Stanford students about him, several paused to think, then asked if his last name is spelled the same way as the Sheraton hotel chain.

That's the way Cheriton prefers it. He still drives the same 1986 Volkswagen Vanagon he had before he made his money, lives in the same Palo Alto home he's owned for the last 30 years and employs the same barber—himself. "It's not that I can't fathom a haircut," says Cheriton. "It's just easy to do myself, and it takes less time."
https://www.forbes.com/sites/ryanmac/2012/08/01/professor-billionaire-david-cheriton/#525b1c9915de

Sounds like another Harvey if you ask me.


What do you think I lied about?

I'm not even close to being a millionaire. Most of my wealth, was in my 401k, which I have looked to see how bad that went.

Poverty kids on TV are happy, because democrats gave them free stuff, and got a day off from the sweatshop. There is poverty all across the world, even here in America.



You do understand Harvey. You make me want to be a better person. I still say that I've been screwed over because of my service connected hearing loss, but I can have some fun with it. People probably won't like that either but there is one thing people need to understand, I have to do more because of my hearing loss.
I'll be reminding people like you that you have a good life but you're not enjoying it. Notice how backwards that sounds? As you say, you don't have any problems but you have a good life.

The guy in bed, Drake went on to become our 40th president. Yep, it's Ronnie Reagan. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C2kmj8RL6-Y
Edited on 25-03-2020 16:41
25-03-2020 17:42
gfm7175Profile picture★★★☆☆
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keepit wrote:
ITN,
You've called me a liar so many times on this particular website. Why is that?

Because you have lied so many times on this particular website.
25-03-2020 19:19
IBdaMannProfile picture★★★★★
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gfm7175 wrote:
keepit wrote: ITN, You've called me a liar so many times on this particular website. Why is that?

Because you have lied so many times on this particular website.


Ladies and gentlemen, I present to you the gfm7175 Theorem!


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Sea level varies from place to place in the world - keepit

Clouds don't trap heat. Clouds block cold. - Spongy Iris

Printing dollars to pay debt doesn't increase the number of dollars. - keepit

If Venus were a black body it would have a much much lower temperature than what we found there.- tmiddles

Ah the "Valid Data" myth of ITN/IBD. - tmiddles

Ceist - I couldn't agree with you more. But when money and religion are involved, and there are people who value them above all else, then the lies begin. - trafn

You are completely misunderstanding their use of the word "accumulation"! - Climate Scientist.

The Stefan-Boltzman equation doesn't come up with the correct temperature if greenhouse gases are not considered - Hank

:*sigh* Not the "raw data" crap. - Leafsdude

IB STILL hasn't explained what Planck's Law means. Just more hand waving that it applies to everything and more asserting that the greenhouse effect 'violates' it.- Ceist
25-03-2020 20:18
gfm7175Profile picture★★★☆☆
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IBdaMann wrote:
gfm7175 wrote:
keepit wrote: ITN, You've called me a liar so many times on this particular website. Why is that?

Because you have lied so many times on this particular website.


Ladies and gentlemen, I present to you the gfm7175 Theorem!


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Pretty solid Theorem, eh?
25-03-2020 20:20
keepit
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gfm,
How about giving me several examples of these lies.
25-03-2020 20:25
gfm7175Profile picture★★★☆☆
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keepit wrote:
gfm,
How about giving me several examples of these lies.

So that you can lie about your lies? Meh, your lies are already in plain sight for any reader to peruse through.
25-03-2020 20:43
keepit
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Hopefully no one is Polish here.
There's an old Polish saying. If you want to sink a polish battleship, put it in the water! I hope hope you get mt drift.
25-03-2020 21:56
gfm7175Profile picture★★★☆☆
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keepit wrote:
Hopefully no one is Polish here.
There's an old Polish saying. If you want to sink a polish battleship, put it in the water! I hope hope you get mt drift.


There's another old Polish saying. If you want to build a pitcher's confidence, have him pitch against keepit! I hope hope you get mt drift.
Edited on 25-03-2020 21:57
25-03-2020 22:00
keepit
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Have at it gfm.
25-03-2020 22:34
gfm7175Profile picture★★★☆☆
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keepit wrote:
Have at it gfm.

Already did.

Still batting 0.000 I see...
25-03-2020 22:37
keepit
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(1381)
gfm,
Your bluff is called.
25-03-2020 23:04
Into the NightProfile picture★★★★★
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keepit wrote:
gfm,
Your bluff is called.


Mantra 7. No liar, it's not a bluff.


The Parrot Killer
25-03-2020 23:41
keepit
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(1381)
ITN,
It's a bluff and he got called on it.

Come to think of you called me a liar several times. Prove it, name several instances of me lying.
Edited on 25-03-2020 23:44
26-03-2020 01:11
IBdaMannProfile picture★★★★★
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keepit wrote: Come to think of you called me a liar several times. Prove it, name several instances of me lying.


This one comes to mind. I never got around to mentioning it previously:

Night time instrument landings are easier than daytime because the lights go through the fog in the night but don't help much during the day.


This one can be attributed to you simply being ignorant, ergo unintentional:

IBDM, I can't think of anything that is completely unambiguous. Not relativity, not plate tectonics, not quantum theory, not climate science, etc. Well, maybe some basic math is but math is just a description, it doesn't explain mechanisms usually.


x + 2x = 3x ... has no ambiguity. There are even more examples.


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Sea level varies from place to place in the world - keepit

Clouds don't trap heat. Clouds block cold. - Spongy Iris

Printing dollars to pay debt doesn't increase the number of dollars. - keepit

If Venus were a black body it would have a much much lower temperature than what we found there.- tmiddles

Ah the "Valid Data" myth of ITN/IBD. - tmiddles

Ceist - I couldn't agree with you more. But when money and religion are involved, and there are people who value them above all else, then the lies begin. - trafn

You are completely misunderstanding their use of the word "accumulation"! - Climate Scientist.

The Stefan-Boltzman equation doesn't come up with the correct temperature if greenhouse gases are not considered - Hank

:*sigh* Not the "raw data" crap. - Leafsdude

IB STILL hasn't explained what Planck's Law means. Just more hand waving that it applies to everything and more asserting that the greenhouse effect 'violates' it.- Ceist
26-03-2020 01:37
Into the NightProfile picture★★★★★
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keepit wrote:...deleted Mantra 7...2...29...


No argument presented. RQAA.


The Parrot Killer
26-03-2020 02:50
keepit
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IBD,
You misinterpreted my post. It said that basic math isn't ambiguous but some higher math is. Not that i'm an expert at higher math or anything else (with the exception of flying). I do think the speed of light is ambiguous.
There, that ought to get you going.
26-03-2020 03:37
IBdaMannProfile picture★★★★★
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keepit wrote: IBD, You misinterpreted my post. It said that basic math isn't ambiguous but some higher math is. Not that i'm an expert at higher math or anything else (with the exception of flying).

Math does not come in levels. Math is an unambiguous formal specification language, as opposed to natural languages, meaning anything specified in math is unambiguous.

keepit wrote: I do think the speed of light is ambiguous.

Try writing that ambiguously in math.


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Sea level varies from place to place in the world - keepit

Clouds don't trap heat. Clouds block cold. - Spongy Iris

Printing dollars to pay debt doesn't increase the number of dollars. - keepit

If Venus were a black body it would have a much much lower temperature than what we found there.- tmiddles

Ah the "Valid Data" myth of ITN/IBD. - tmiddles

Ceist - I couldn't agree with you more. But when money and religion are involved, and there are people who value them above all else, then the lies begin. - trafn

You are completely misunderstanding their use of the word "accumulation"! - Climate Scientist.

The Stefan-Boltzman equation doesn't come up with the correct temperature if greenhouse gases are not considered - Hank

:*sigh* Not the "raw data" crap. - Leafsdude

IB STILL hasn't explained what Planck's Law means. Just more hand waving that it applies to everything and more asserting that the greenhouse effect 'violates' it.- Ceist
26-03-2020 05:22
Into the NightProfile picture★★★★★
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keepit wrote:...deleted 25...22d...2...20e1...


Math is math. Mathematics is a closed functional system. Nothing in mathematics is ambiguous. Everything in mathematics is based on axioms, or proofs based on those axioms.

The same is true of logic.


The Parrot Killer
Edited on 26-03-2020 05:23
30-03-2020 14:57
Tim the plumber
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keepit wrote:
Satellite images of china, and presumably the us and europe, show greatly reduced pollutants in the air as a result of reduced economic output. It can be reasonably inferred that CO2 production has also been reduced.
So...why can't we all just spend less money and produce less CO2? We don't need all those new cars (many of them are just vanity investments), and all those mcmansions (sales of mcmansions reached a 10 year high in february), and all those new airplane if we just quit flying (it's such a hassle nowadays) so much, and all those cruise ships if we quit going on all those cruises (i've never been on one). I understand it is mostly overeating and gambling. We should just spend half as much and work half as much. I know, i know, you're going to call me a hater of humanity, a marxist or a socialist, and a denier of science but i'm none of those. I don't understand the intricacies of co2 and climate any more than i understand all the intricacies of the human immune system but can i see the results.


Whilst the various particulates and sulfides etc are real toxic things that cause massive damage to humanity, 35,000 deaths per year in the UK due to bad air mostly as a result of the use of diesel in cars, well done the green movement, the impact of CO2 is only good!

Can you tell me what bad aspect of a warmer world will do the most bad to any specific place?

That is chose a single local authority anywhere in the world and a single bad aspect of a warmer world as per the IPCC's numbers. Then tell me how much that is likely to cost to sort out. That is the extra.

Is it more than that place will spend on the traffic lights?

2, exceptions Venice and permafrost.
30-03-2020 15:06
Tim the plumber
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keepit wrote:
Geez Harvey,
I'm 77 and have 3 life threatening health problems plus orthopedic problems. I hope you don't want me to work.

ITN,
Those changes in spending habits were just suggestions but for you they were orders!

Consuming less and producing less pollution and less co2 would yield a more livable world for future generations.

I never thought i'd say this but we don't need NASA either. Exploring outer space is futile. We're not going any where until we get a totally different propulsion system. Ion drive and fusion engine aren't sufficient for stellar distances. I don't think humans can live on a spaceship very easily for thousands of years.


Within the next 30 years we will be capturing asteroids and mining them. This will be the greatest single jump in wealth levels for all of humanity ever.

As this happens those asteroid mining stations will become more and more habitable as we transform them into heavens.

Within this century there will be billions of people living in space. The best places to live will be in these artificial habitats.

The pace of advancement of humanity has never been this fast.

The advancement of humanity has never been under such a threat as today. The assault of anti-science anti-enlightenment from the "progressive" pseudo-science brigade is likely to, or has a decent chance of, turning the culture of humanity against science.
30-03-2020 15:06
IBdaMannProfile picture★★★★★
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Tim the plumber wrote: Can you tell me what bad aspect of a warmer world will do the most bad to any specific place?

Some places just don't have the needed infrastructure to support all the additional tourism that they would face. And then there are the many places that would have to dispose of their snow-removal equipment to make room for recreational equipment. Farmers would have to deal with bigger crops, incur greater costs to hire additional laborers.

What a total mess it would become.


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Sea level varies from place to place in the world - keepit

Clouds don't trap heat. Clouds block cold. - Spongy Iris

Printing dollars to pay debt doesn't increase the number of dollars. - keepit

If Venus were a black body it would have a much much lower temperature than what we found there.- tmiddles

Ah the "Valid Data" myth of ITN/IBD. - tmiddles

Ceist - I couldn't agree with you more. But when money and religion are involved, and there are people who value them above all else, then the lies begin. - trafn

You are completely misunderstanding their use of the word "accumulation"! - Climate Scientist.

The Stefan-Boltzman equation doesn't come up with the correct temperature if greenhouse gases are not considered - Hank

:*sigh* Not the "raw data" crap. - Leafsdude

IB STILL hasn't explained what Planck's Law means. Just more hand waving that it applies to everything and more asserting that the greenhouse effect 'violates' it.- Ceist
30-03-2020 20:56
HarveyH55
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I've never really been able to fully grasp, what they actually mean, by warming, and average global temperature. The temperature is wildly different all over the planet. Even between night and day, at the same exact location. There are places that are in the 70-80s most of the summer, during the day. Then in the winter, the feel fortunate, when it's only freezing (32 F). Average could mean a lot of things, and still show warmer, without negatively effecting anyone. I doesn't have to mean the whole planet, everywhere, all the time, will de two degrees warmer, than it was 400 years ago. 2 degrees doesn't sound all that scary, and I live in Florida. Think most people would enjoy it most, if the warming was only during the winter months. My part of the state, didn't get below 35 F this past winter. Some place north of here dropped a little below freezing, but not a real hard freeze. Kind of like not having to dig out a jacket every year...
30-03-2020 21:33
Amanbir GrewalProfile picture★☆☆☆☆
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just what was the temperature rise like when the steam engines were working full-time???

people with industrial age experiences have authority over similar issues.

lmao it's way too hot in indonesia for him< (protected fisherman) to even notice 'CHANGES'.


AUGUST COMTE AN EMPLOYED SOCIALIST BEFORE A PANEL OTHERWISE A SIMPLE PLANNER OF GUISES AND POTIONS
30-03-2020 22:37
Into the NightProfile picture★★★★★
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HarveyH55 wrote:
I've never really been able to fully grasp, what they actually mean, by warming, and average global temperature. The temperature is wildly different all over the planet. Even between night and day, at the same exact location. There are places that are in the 70-80s most of the summer, during the day. Then in the winter, the feel fortunate, when it's only freezing (32 F). Average could mean a lot of things, and still show warmer, without negatively effecting anyone. I doesn't have to mean the whole planet, everywhere, all the time, will de two degrees warmer, than it was 400 years ago. 2 degrees doesn't sound all that scary, and I live in Florida. Think most people would enjoy it most, if the warming was only during the winter months. My part of the state, didn't get below 35 F this past winter. Some place north of here dropped a little below freezing, but not a real hard freeze. Kind of like not having to dig out a jacket every year...


Quite right. It is not possible to measure a global temperature. We simply don't have enough thermometers.


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31-03-2020 00:59
James___
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Into the Night wrote:
HarveyH55 wrote:
I've never really been able to fully grasp, what they actually mean, by warming, and average global temperature. The temperature is wildly different all over the planet. Even between night and day, at the same exact location. There are places that are in the 70-80s most of the summer, during the day. Then in the winter, the feel fortunate, when it's only freezing (32 F). Average could mean a lot of things, and still show warmer, without negatively effecting anyone. I doesn't have to mean the whole planet, everywhere, all the time, will de two degrees warmer, than it was 400 years ago. 2 degrees doesn't sound all that scary, and I live in Florida. Think most people would enjoy it most, if the warming was only during the winter months. My part of the state, didn't get below 35 F this past winter. Some place north of here dropped a little below freezing, but not a real hard freeze. Kind of like not having to dig out a jacket every year...


Quite right. It is not possible to measure a global temperature. We simply don't have enough thermometers.



At the same time you don't know who your kids are. My family had this issue. My niece looked like Pocahontas but had her father's bones. It didn't matter that daddy was a direct descendant. Families don't look alike. Color of hair, skin, etc, means nothing.
Anyone descended from skrealing can look like skraeling. I am glad that ITN understands this. After all, one Native American looks like any other Native American, they are all skrealing. We must choose sides, right?
And to be scientific, how to tell the difference in skin pigmentation if we don't have enough receptors? Does it really take a trillion receptors to now that Native Americans aren't European or African? Try a jpeg, the same as taking the temperature.

I got it wrong; https://findwords.info/term/skraeling

p.s., my niece doesn't look the same. She got older. Pocahontas probably never made it past 20. If it matters to you guys, she got ugly, right? People get older, she looks more like a Norwegian.

I did have a cousin from Norway visit. We were nice to her because she was just as ugly. They are stupid people as GasGuzzler says. I mean ever have to drive a BMW because you are poor? Luckily GasGuzzler is an American.
And as a favor to my brother, I would babysit her when she looked like an American. People do change as they get older. And I guess a mixed heritage can vary over time.
There is an irony to this. My father accused my brother's wife of cheating on him (my brother) because of how dark she was. She wasn't white. What helped lead mommy and daddy to getting a divorce. And the picture is the only one of her on her father's facebook page. Divorces can be problematic.
Myself, I said Lapps (Sami). It's like saying Inuit or Eskimo in the Americas.
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31-03-2020 02:09
James___
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It's sad in a way. My brother the drug addict deserved to have a family. His wife was unhappy that he didn't want to sober up after they had kids. Reason #2 for divorce. Maybe kids deserve to know the truth?
And my being a disabled Veteran, just in the wrong place like this forum, the US, etc. Bet Harvey has a family. Just not enough for people who have an easy life.
Edited on 31-03-2020 02:11
31-03-2020 03:23
James___
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And Harvey, if I move out of the US, I will show the police report where I was arrested for him assaulting me (I called 911 twice) with a weapon. I pleaded guilty to avoid a felony assault charge. He had kids and I didn't. I was arrested and he wasn't. He had kids and I didn't.
Notice the pattern? Even the arresting officer said I was injured and took me to the hospital while my brother had no injuries. But I was arrested for felony assault.
Psalm 127:5 Blessed is the man whose quiver is full of them. They will not be put to shame when they contend with their opponents in court.

ie, a man will not be found wrong when he has kids. The Bible supports this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q91gmcckLwI&fbclid=IwAR3YpkMo4qr59OhjHDv2k7CBf4CsjwUUspOoUdbVUgplCFNODXDkwIikRZc
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