Restoring Alkalinity to the Ocean

Im a BM wrote:

IBdaMann wrote:

sealover wrote:Correct. I only use the term "ocean acidification" because that is what is popularly understood.

You are a liar.

You came to this site to preach non-science gibber-babble. You attempted to post a document full of meaningless technical jargon, not one that attempts to explain anything clearly to laymen.

sealover wrote:It is the depletion of alkalinity, not acidification.

Chemistry is not your strength. You should give up pretending it is. You aren't going to find many on this site who will fall for your crap.

sealover wrote:I did study chemistry and other basic science, including a master's degree from UC Berkeley and a PhD from UC Davis.

You do not have a degree in Chemistry. That much is painfully obvious.

However, having an affiliation with UC Davis speaks volumes about how much science you were obligated to ignore.

sealover wrote:Two of my publications, in the journals Nature and Biogeochemistry, got a whole lot of attention from climate change investigators.

Translation: "I wrote crap that appealed to scientifically illiterate leftist political hacktivists at local ANTIFA, BLM and Communist Party chapters!"

sealover wrote:I don't expect any particular level of respect based solely on my credentials.

You were expecting respect based solely on the sheer incomprehensibility of your gibber-babble.

Ocean Acidification Debunked

Into the Night's comments

Coral Bleaching Debunked

Forget about posting gibberish papers.

Just explain your point in your own words.

Within a short time of my very first post, IBdaMann informed me that I am "a liar", I do NOT have a degree in chemistry ("painfully obvious"), I "came here to preach non science gibber babble", and he knew all about my connections to "scientifically illiterate political hacktivists at local ANTIFA, BLM, and Communist Party chapters!"

Perhaps most revealing of all, he complained about the "sheer incomprehensibility of (my) gibber babble". Translation: He didn't have a clue what those big words mean. Because he never actually studied science.

Most new members quit at that point in the process, as IBdaMann was proud to tell me. "You aren't going to find many on this site who will fall for your crap."

By then there were already only a handful left. Today, you just aren't going to find many on this site. Period.

sealover wrote:
Imagine a coastline where the rising sea level is creeping up into the saltwater wetlands. Little by little, the estuary is being submerged. In a few decades it will be completely underwater.

sealover wrote:
When the sea level was lower,

sealover wrote:
the low tide was at an elevation well below the estuary soil surface. There was a steep hydraulic gradient to drain water out for a little while.

sealover wrote:
This enabled sulfate rich sea water to move through the organic carbon rich, low oxygen wetland sediment. In so doing, sulfate reducing bacteria were supplied with the substrate they needed to use as a terminal electron acceptor to oxidize organic carbon to acquire metabolic energy. As the estuary water drained out at low tide, it carried with it the alkalinity (carbonate and bicarbonate ions) generated during sulfate reduction.

sealover wrote:
Now that the sea level is higher,

sealover wrote:
the low tide isn't as low anymore.

sealover wrote:
There is less elevation difference between low tide and land surface.

sealover wrote:
Less of a hydraulic gradient to drive sea water through the sediments. Less sulfate reduction and less alkalinity provided to the ocean.

sealover wrote:
Now picture a simple wind turbine or sea wave powered pump off the edge of the estuary. It is pumping sea water a meter or two uphill into the estuary at low tide. There is now more hydraulic pressure to push sea water through the sediments and bring about sulfate reduction and alkalinity generation. The reservoir of organic carbon is already there, lacking only a sufficient hydraulic gradient to get sea water to pass through it.

sealover wrote:
It might be enough to have a pipe transport the sea water from the pump up on to the estuary a hundred meters back from the edge. More sulfate reduction and alkalinity generation could be facilitated if a berm is constructed of sediment along the edge of the estuary to delay the lateral flow of water off the surface back to sea at low tide.

sealover wrote:
Even without actively pumping any sea water, a berm alone could accomplish much of the same objective. If the top of the berm is lower than the high tide, it can fill up with sea water. When the tide goes back down, the berm will hold back the water to keep it on the estuary a while longer. Infiltrating sea water into the sediments rather than flowing off the surface back out to sea.
The sea is not rising. The Moon has not changed in mass.
[quote]sealover wrote:
We could assist the estuary to do again what it used to do so well before the sea level got so high. Supplying alkalinity to marine ecosystems.

Into the Night wrote:

sealover wrote:
Imagine a coastline where the rising sea level is creeping up into the saltwater wetlands. Little by little, the estuary is being submerged. In a few decades it will be completely underwater.

The sea is not rising.

sealover wrote:
When the sea level was lower,

The sea is not rising.

sealover wrote:
the low tide was at an elevation well below the estuary soil surface. There was a steep hydraulic gradient to drain water out for a little while.

What 'estuary'? Most rivers flow to the sea.

sealover wrote:
This enabled sulfate rich sea water to move through the organic carbon rich, low oxygen wetland sediment. In so doing, sulfate reducing bacteria were supplied with the substrate they needed to use as a terminal electron acceptor to oxidize organic carbon to acquire metabolic energy. As the estuary water drained out at low tide, it carried with it the alkalinity (carbonate and bicarbonate ions) generated during sulfate reduction.

Sulfare is not a chemical. Carbon is not organic. There is no such thing as a terminal electron acceptor. Alkalinity is not a chemical. Carbonate is not a chemical. Bicarbonate is not a chemical.

sealover wrote:
Now that the sea level is higher,

The sea isn't rising.

sealover wrote:
the low tide isn't as low anymore.

The sea isn't rising.

sealover wrote:
There is less elevation difference between low tide and land surface.

The elevation is always zero.

sealover wrote:
Less of a hydraulic gradient to drive sea water through the sediments. Less sulfate reduction and less alkalinity provided to the ocean.

Sulfate is not a chemical. Alkalinity is not a chemical.

sealover wrote:
Now picture a simple wind turbine or sea wave powered pump off the edge of the estuary. It is pumping sea water a meter or two uphill into the estuary at low tide. There is now more hydraulic pressure to push sea water through the sediments and bring about sulfate reduction and alkalinity generation. The reservoir of organic carbon is already there, lacking only a sufficient hydraulic gradient to get sea water to pass through it.

Sulfate is not a chemical. Alkalinity is not a chemical. Carbon is not organic.

sealover wrote:
It might be enough to have a pipe transport the sea water from the pump up on to the estuary a hundred meters back from the edge. More sulfate reduction and alkalinity generation could be facilitated if a berm is constructed of sediment along the edge of the estuary to delay the lateral flow of water off the surface back to sea at low tide.

Sulfate is not a chemical. Alkalinity is not a chemical. The elevation of the land to the sea is always zero.

sealover wrote:
Even without actively pumping any sea water, a berm alone could accomplish much of the same objective. If the top of the berm is lower than the high tide, it can fill up with sea water. When the tide goes back down, the berm will hold back the water to keep it on the estuary a while longer. Infiltrating sea water into the sediments rather than flowing off the surface back out to sea.
The sea is not rising. The Moon has not changed in mass.
[quote]sealover wrote:
We could assist the estuary to do again what it used to do so well before the sea level got so high. Supplying alkalinity to marine ecosystems.

The sea level is not rising. Alkalinity is not a chemical.


Buzzword fallacies.

Swan wrote:

Sea level has been rising for 22,000 years, and still is

Into the Night wrote:

Swan wrote:

Sea level has been rising for 22,000 years, and still is

The sea level is not rising.

What evidence do you have that the sea level is rising?

Swan wrote:

Into the Night wrote:

Swan wrote:

Sea level has been rising for 22,000 years, and still is

The sea level is not rising.

What evidence do you have that the sea level is rising?

Easy one, when glaciers on land melt, their water ends up in an ocean, causing rise. But that's ok for you not to know or believe, as long as you have donuts

Swan wrote: Easy one,

Swan wrote:when glaciers on land melt, their water ends up in an ocean, causing rise.

Swan wrote:Sea level has been rising for 22,000 years, and still is

Into the Night wrote:

Swan wrote:

Into the Night wrote:

Swan wrote:

Sea level has been rising for 22,000 years, and still is

The sea level is not rising.

What evidence do you have that the sea level is rising?

Easy one, when glaciers on land melt, their water ends up in an ocean, causing rise. But that's ok for you not to know or believe, as long as you have donuts

So glaciers and rivers magickally create water out of nothing. That's your argument.

Gawd.

IBdaMann wrote:

Swan wrote:Sea level has been rising for 22,000 years, and still is

False. Photographic evidence, especially satellite photographs show no change.

Photographs of the Victoria Quay in Perth verify that there has been no discernible rise in sea level since at least 1890.

The iconic Santa Monica life guard stations show that there has been no discernible sea level rise since the 1960s, and satellite photography of the same beaches corroborates the conclusion of zero discernible change.

RAF Base Gan, built in 1940 by the British on a Maldives atoll with a highest elevation of 2M ASL, is Gan international airport today, on that same atoll, with its highest point remaining at 2M ASL.

No rational adult has any reason to believe that the ocean is somehow rising.

Irrational adults, however, who are desperately overdue for their next dose of Swanify will nonetheless babble about how the ocean has been rising for "thousands of years."

Swan wrote:

Into the Night wrote:

Swan wrote:

Into the Night wrote:

Swan wrote:

Sea level has been rising for 22,000 years, and still is

The sea level is not rising.

What evidence do you have that the sea level is rising?

Easy one, when glaciers on land melt, their water ends up in an ocean, causing rise. But that's ok for you not to know or believe, as long as you have donuts

So glaciers and rivers magickally create water out of nothing. That's your argument.

Gawd.

Actually glaciers on land are already made of water, when they melt and flow into the ocean the ocean level must rise. This is not an argument it is a physical fact knowable to a third grader. Come back when you learn how to jerk off properly without your mom helping

IBdaMann wrote:

Swan wrote:Sea level has been rising for 22,000 years, and still is

False. Photographic evidence, especially satellite photographs show no change.

Photographs of the Victoria Quay in Perth verify that there has been no discernible rise in sea level since at least 1890.

The iconic Santa Monica life guard stations show that there has been no discernible sea level rise since the 1960s, and satellite photography of the same beaches corroborates the conclusion of zero discernible change.

RAF Base Gan, built in 1940 by the British on a Maldives atoll with a highest elevation of 2M ASL, is Gan international airport today, on that same atoll, with its highest point remaining at 2M ASL.

No rational adult has any reason to believe that the ocean is somehow rising.

Irrational adults, however, who are desperately overdue for their next dose of Swanify will nonetheless babble about how the ocean has been rising for "thousands of years."

Into the Night wrote:

Swan wrote:

Into the Night wrote:

Swan wrote:

Into the Night wrote:

Swan wrote:

Sea level has been rising for 22,000 years, and still is

The sea level is not rising.

What evidence do you have that the sea level is rising?

Easy one, when glaciers on land melt, their water ends up in an ocean, causing rise. But that's ok for you not to know or believe, as long as you have donuts

So glaciers and rivers magickally create water out of nothing. That's your argument.

Gawd.

Actually glaciers on land are already made of water, when they melt and flow into the ocean the ocean level must rise. This is not an argument it is a physical fact knowable to a third grader. Come back when you learn how to jerk off properly without your mom helping

So insist that glaciers and rivers magickally create water out of nothing. That's your argument.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Swan wrote:

Into the Night wrote:

Swan wrote:

Into the Night wrote:

Swan wrote:

Into the Night wrote:

Swan wrote:

Sea level has been rising for 22,000 years, and still is

The sea level is not rising.

What evidence do you have that the sea level is rising?

Easy one, when glaciers on land melt, their water ends up in an ocean, causing rise. But that's ok for you not to know or believe, as long as you have donuts

So glaciers and rivers magickally create water out of nothing. That's your argument.

Gawd.

Actually glaciers on land are already made of water, when they melt and flow into the ocean the ocean level must rise. This is not an argument it is a physical fact knowable to a third grader. Come back when you learn how to jerk off properly without your mom helping

So insist that glaciers and rivers magickally create water out of nothing. That's your argument.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Again glaciers do not create water as they are water, and when they melt the glacial water is added to the oceans causing rise. You already know and understand this and are clearly refusing to deny the delusion that is your life. So again sea level has been rising fir 22,000 years