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Quantum Supremacy achieved by Sycamore Googles Quantum Computer02-10-2022 21:37
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Google made a huge revelation on October 23, 2019, when it announced that it had reached something called "quantum supremacy."

Via an article in the journal Nature, Google said their quantum computer, called Sycamore, solved a particularly difficult problem in 200 seconds. For comparison, Google said the world's current fastest classical computer — one called Summit owned by IBM that's as big as two basketball courts — would take 10,000 years to solve that same problem.

This is what "quantum supremacy" means. It's when a quantum computer — one that runs on the laws of quantum physics as opposed to the classical computers we're familiar with (i.e. phones and laptops), which run on classical physics like Newton's laws of motion — does something that no conventional computer could do in a reasonable amount of time.

The trouble here is that IBM responded to Google's news to say that actually, Summit could solve the quantum computers' problem in two and a half days — not 10,000 years as Google had suggested.

In this episode of Recode's Reset podcast, host Arielle Duhaime-Ross and Kevin Hartnett, a senior writer for the math and physics magazine Quanta, break down exactly what quantum computing is and why Google dunking on IBM both was and wasn't a huge deal.

"It's insane because if we build a working quantum computer, it demonstrates that we have achieved a kind of physical mastery over matter in the universe. At the most fundamental level, we are controlling it. We're manipulating it to our own ends and we're performing calculations with it and we're performing calculations with it. That's kind of stunning. And the fact that engineers are now actually pulling this off is kind of amazing," Hartnett pointed out.

Later in the episode, the two also dive into what applications a working quantum computer would have in the real world from pharmaceutical drug discovery and financial modeling to breaking the internet by undoing a common form of encryption called RSA encryption.

"Right now, that's how we keep a lot of information on the internet safe. But with a very powerful quantum computer​ ... the time it takes to break a large number down becomes really short. And that means the key you use to encrypt stuff is easy to figure out ​and the internet is kinda screwed. But that is still mostly theoretical at this point​," Duhaime-Ross explained.

Listen to their entire discussion here. We've also shared a lightly edited transcript of ​Harnett's conversation with Duhaime-Ross below.


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Arielle Duhaime-Ross
The term "quantum supremacy" sounds frankly ridiculous. It always makes me feels like electrons are going to take over the world. But people have been waiting for this to happen for a long time. Because what Google announced means that a special type of computer, called a quantum computer, is finally doing things. Instead of just feeling like ...

Kevin Hartnett
... this almost mythical dream for decades. ​It's felt like for years we've been waiting for an announcement of what people call quantum supremacy. And that's what Google announced this week.

Arielle Duhaime-Ross
So shit's getting real [with] quantum computing and two of the biggest tech companies, Google and IBM, are obsessed with it. But first I gotta make you talk about physics. Don't worry. Cause I got you. I am here for you. And we're all gonna do this together.

So Kevin — what's a quantum computer?

Kevin Hartnett
A quantum computer is a machine that performs calculations using the laws of quantum physics as opposed to, I guess, your classical computer like your phone or your desktop computer, that behaves according to the laws of classical physics. ​So a classical computer computes using bits and bits can be either 1 or 0.

Arielle Duhaime-Ross
So like the foundation of code basically.

Kevin Hartnett
Exactly. That's what code is. Now, a quantum computer doesn't use bits, it uses quantum bits or qubits. And these qubits are made out of quantum material and a cubit can be in a position of 1 or 0. Or it can be described by the probability that it's in one or the probability that's in the position zero.

The advantage of that system is you have these many different possible states. Your quantum computer could be in when you kind of are working through your calculation and each of those states has a probability assigned to it.

ADR: That's the key. A regular computer (or what computing experts would call a "classical computer") like your laptop or your phone — those computers can only try one possible pathway at a time to get to an answer. But a quantum computer can get to the right answer more efficiently.

That's not super intuitive, so here's a thought experiment: imagine a ball and a hill. Your task is to get that ball to land on a specific spot at the bottom of the hill.

Kevin Hartnett
Imagine that you're at the beginning of the comp, your computation. You are at the top of the hill and you're going to roll a ball down the hill. And it could kind of go any number of ways down the hill and end up at any number of different spots at the bottom. But there's only one spot at the bottom that's the correct answer. So if you have a classical computer, the best you can do is kind of roll that ball down the hill and see where it lands and see if it's the correct answer or not.

Arielle Duhaime-Ross
So you're constantly running the ball up the hill and then you get to drop it once and then maybe you get the correct answer if you don't. You got to roll it back up the hill and try all over again.

Kevin Hartnett
It's a lot of effort, and it takes a lot of time. [But with a quantum computer] you have the ability to kind of structure your cubits so that the path the ball takes down the hill is in some ways the most likely path it takes down the hill is the one that corresponds to the correct answer at the bottom of the hill.

Arielle Duhaime-Ross
So you can kind of tip the hill, tip the scales in your favor in order to get to the correct answer a whole lot faster. A quantum computer should theoretically be able to get you an answer a heck of a lot faster than a classical computer. But when it comes to speed, sometimes the newest, flashiest mode of transportation isn't the most reliable.

So, you have to ask yourself: when does performing a calculation with a quantum computer become undeniably more efficient than doing the same thing with a classical computer?

That, in a nutshell, is the quest for quantum supremacy.

Kevin Hartnett
Quantum supremacy is a benchmark that was set about seven years ago in 2012 by a physicist named John Preskill at the California Institute of Technology, Caltech. And what quantum supremacy means is a quantum computer can do something that no ordinary classical computer can match.

There is this idea that quantum computers should be able to perform calculations much faster than regular computers. But a lot of people doubted whether it was possible to actually achieve a calculation like that in practice. So quantum supremacy is the moment a quantum computer actually performs calculations that a classical computer simply can't keep up with.

Because if you give a classical computer enough time, maybe even more time than we have left in the universe, it can do anything a quantum computer can do. Supremacy means a quantum computer can do something in a categorically faster way than a classical computer can do.

Arielle Duhaime-Ross
The world's most powerful classical computer is called Summit. It's owned by IBM, and it's as big as two basketball courts.

Google's quantum computer, on the other hand, probably fits in your bedroom. It's called Sycamore.

So what Google did was give Sycamore a very specific problem to solve, called a random circuit sampling problem.

Kevin Hartnett
What they showed is that their computer can solve this random circuit sampling problem in about two hundred seconds. And the most powerful classical computer in the world, which is called Summit. Well, Google estimated it would take that computer 10,000 years to solve the same problem that their computer solved in 200 seconds.

Arielle Duhaime-Ross
So what Google announced is that it basically dunked really hard on IBM. Most powerful computer, the most powerful computer, classical computer in the world.

Kevin Hartnett
It dunked hard in the sense of this particular problem, and you could say it killed it.

It is a big deal. It's a big deal in a practical sense, right? There are lots of things we can do if they only take a couple minutes to carry out the calculation that we can't do if we need years or tens of thousands of years.

Arielle Duhaime-Ross
Except that if you ask IBM, Google didn't dunk as hard as it says it did.

Kevin Hartnett
IBM is certainly skeptical. They issued a paper saying, Not so fast, they haven't actually done it because Google estimated in their paper that it would take the most powerful, ordinary computer 10,000 years to carry out this calculation. And IBM said, actually, that most powerful computer which we designed can do this in two and a half days and probably even faster than that if we had time to fine-tune how we did it.

I should also say that IBM themselves, they are perhaps Google's biggest competitor in the effort to build a quantum computer.

Arielle Duhaime-Ross
Is IBM just a sore loser or is this a very good point that they're making?

Kevin Hartnett
Well, the point they're making is good, and it does point to something important about supremacy, which is you're trying to prove that a quantum computer can do something faster than any classical computer can. So proving supremacy, truly proving supremacy would involve proving there's no way a classical computer can do this kind of problem as fast as a quantum computer. And we don't have that kind of proof here.

It took the most powerful classical computer in the history of the world, a computer that occupies an area the size of two basketball courts. This computer can solve a problem in 200 seconds that takes the world's second-fastest computer a minimum of two and a half days to do this calculation. If Google's quantum computer gets even a little bigger — if instead of 53 cubits, they have 70 cubits — now, a classical computer that fills two basketball courts won't be able to keep up at all. You need a classical computer the size of a city to simulate that same calculation.

And that's the sense in which the quantum computer is doing things categorically faster than a classical computer. And I think that difference is really what people have in mind when they talk about quantum supremacy. And that's why most people are pretty comfortable saying that what Google did, if it fully checks out, is in fact a demonstration of quantum supremacy.

Arielle Duhaime-Ross
So is IBM also going to demonstrate supremacy anytime soon?

Kevin Hartnett
IBM has been on the record for a while now that they are not chasing the goal of quantum supremacy. They view it as an artificial benchmark where you could cross it and still not be doing anything useful. So they, at least in their public statements, have been much more practically minded.

Arielle Duhaime-Ross
This is a difference between Google being the kind of basketball player that wants to straight up flip in the air before dunking. And IBM that just wants to do a lay-up because they know that it works. And it's the same amount of points.

Kevin Hartnett
I'd say so. And it seems like Google has been more animated by the basic science of it and the sense of possibility and exploration.

Arielle Duhaime-Ross
My man Kevin with the perfect segue! We've established that Google's quantum computer is significantly faster than the most powerful classical computer in the world.

But what exactly are the possibilities with this? Are personal quantum computers in our future?


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Edited on 02-10-2022 21:42
03-10-2022 01:18
IBdaMannProfile picture★★★★★
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Swan wrote:Google made a huge revelation on October 23, 2019, when it announced that it had reached something called "quantum supremacy."

... so we can correctly say that you fell for this, right?

The DoD isn't pursuing this. Can you think of any reason they might have for not rushing to be quantumly supreme over their adversaries?

Any Cloud provider who were to become quantumly supreme would corner the content delivery market, and then the entire Cloud market. Why do you suppose none of the big three are rushing to corner the market?

Any ideas?

Why are RAM manufacturers satisfied with the current limits to the speed of their memory? Seagate or Western Digital or any other could corner the market by making data reads and writes instantaneous (no latency). Any ideas why nobody is bothering to become Diana Ross and the Quantumly Supremes?

.
03-10-2022 01:54
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IBdaMann wrote:
Swan wrote:Google made a huge revelation on October 23, 2019, when it announced that it had reached something called "quantum supremacy."

... so we can correctly say that you fell for this, right?

The DoD isn't pursuing this. Can you think of any reason they might have for not rushing to be quantumly supreme over their adversaries?

Any Cloud provider who were to become quantumly supreme would corner the content delivery market, and then the entire Cloud market. Why do you suppose none of the big three are rushing to corner the market?

Any ideas?

Why are RAM manufacturers satisfied with the current limits to the speed of their memory? Seagate or Western Digital or any other could corner the market by making data reads and writes instantaneous (no latency). Any ideas why nobody is bothering to become Diana Ross and the Quantumly Supremes?

.


Actually the DOD is pursuing quantum cryptography very aggressively, because without this the enemy could easily break every single standard code rendering the entire military and banking systems neutered.

https://www.nationaldefensemagazine.org/articles/2022/9/6/government-seeking-quantum-proof-encryption

Once matured, quantum technology is expected to create a shift in the defense world due to the large volume of data it will be able to quickly process. While that can lead to great advances in science and technology, it can also empower those seeking to break into encrypted communications.

The Department of Commerce recently identified four algorithms that could stymie quantum hackers.

The National Institute of Standards and Technology recently announced it had completed a major step in its effort to create guidelines for encryption that protect against quantum-based attacks. Experts said the algorithms present an opportunity for federal agencies to begin evaluating what security measures work best for them.

The institute has been pitting cryptographers against each other for six years to come up with a new standard for encryption. The selected algorithms — CRYSTALS-Kyber, CRYSTALS-Dilithium, FALCON and SPHINCS+ — are just the first step in a long road to complete safety from quantum computing, said Duncan Jones, head of cybersecurity at Quantinuum, a quantum computing firm based in Colorado.

"It makes it much easier to start planning and testing, which is important because there is so much work to do ahead of us," he said.

Pete Ford, senior vice president for government operations at Silicon Valley-based cybersecurity company QuSecure, described the severity of the quantum threat as the next international arms race for the defense industry.

If quantum computers unlock the information secured by current encryption technology, adversaries could gain access to U.S. operational plans, ally partnership strategies and more, he said.

"We really appreciate the freedom that our information technology allows us. When that's taken away, it's really hard to capture that freedom back," he said.

Of the nearly 70 algorithms that were submitted for consideration to become part of the standard, "simplicity and elegance" seem to be characteristics favored by NIST, Duncan said.

"Where it was a more easily understood algorithm, the more confident I think they felt in selecting it," he said.

Faster and smaller algorithms were also favored, he noted. CRYSTALS-Kyber has "comparatively small encryption keys" and quick speed, according to a press release about the standard. CRYSTALS-Dilithium and FALCON will be used for protecting digital signatures, which are used for identity authentication. They were praised for their "high efficiency" by NIST reviewers.

The way asymmetric cryptography, or public key encryption, works is by creating one public and one private key. The keys are mathematically linked using an algorithm. People can exchange public keys in order to decrypt, or unscramble, the secure communications they are exchanging.

The encryption is safe because it would take hackers too long to guess the key using a traditional computer. But if a hacker leverages the processing power of quantum, it renders the key much easier to understand, bypassing the encryption and gaining access to protected communications.

Ford said QuSecure has already been using some of the algorithms that are part of the new standard. For example, the company demonstrated secure communications for a government client using CRYSTALS-Kyber earlier in the summer.

During the demonstration, the company turned on a post-quantum communications channel over the open internet in a combined Air Force, Space Force and North American Aerospace Defense Command facility and demonstrated the use of quantum-resilient keys.

Ford said it was the first time a quantum-protected line of communication had been opened in a government facility.

Using the algorithm and tunnel to protect communications didn't introduce any new latency or bandwidth issues, he said.

Jones added because so many nations are racing to develop quantum technology, it is possible a researcher may develop new techniques to break encryption. That could mean adversaries could start decrypting communications even faster.

"Agencies need to treat this threat seriously and recognize that the attacks may have begun," he said.

In addition to experimenting with new algorithms, agencies need to become crypto-agile, he said. The ability to adapt will ensure long-term protection.

"We want to be able to change algorithms in the future without a huge headache," he said. "And anytime we find a system that was painful to change this time around, we should make it easier in the future."

That's one reason why the SPHINCS+ algorithm is an "unexpected" but valuable choice, Jones noted. Because it is from a different family of algorithms than FALCON and CRYSTALS-Dilithium — meaning it is based on a different type of math — it can work as a backup to the others, according to a press release.

NIST is also reviewing an additional four algorithms, a statement said. The announcements for the standard were separated into two because of the "need for a robust variety of defense tools," according to the institute.

Jones emphasized that though quantum computing is a serious risk for federal agencies and companies who work with the government, it can still be an "ally" to cybersecurity. Because of its yet unrealized processing power, it could be used to help make algorithms harder to crack, he said.

"We're going to get past the threat phase, and then all that will be left will be the benefits that quantum can bring," he said.


According to CDC/Government info, people who were vaccinated are now DYING at a higher rate than non-vaccinated people, which exposes the covid vaccines as the poison that they are

This place is quieter than the FBI commenting on the chink bank account information on Hunter Xiden's laptop

I LOVE TRUMP BECAUSE HE PISSES OFF ALL THE PEOPLE THAT I CAN'T STAND.

ULTRA MAGA

Now be honest, was I correct or was I correct? LOL
Edited on 03-10-2022 02:01
03-10-2022 05:27
IBdaMannProfile picture★★★★★
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Swan wrote:Actually the DOD is pursuing quantum cryptography very aggressively,

Actually, they're not.

The NSA is DoD's executive agent for encryption and they are happy with their existing eliptic curve encryption. The NSA is well aware that there is no "quantum computing" technology.

Swan wrote: ...because without this the enemy could easily break every single standard code rendering the entire military and banking systems neutered.

Too funny. Because you are not very literate on technology, you are confusing two types of speed. Distance/Velocity speed is not system clock speed. Enemy computers wouldn't have any faster system clocks even if their data latency were reduced to zero ... meaning they would still only accomplish the same number of instructions per second. This is the underlying factor in encryption.
03-10-2022 06:23
Into the NightProfile picture★★★★★
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Swan wrote:
Google made a huge revelation on October 23, 2019, when it announced that it had reached something called "quantum supremacy."


Oooooooh. A new buzzword!


The Parrot Killer

Debunked in my sig. - tmiddles

Google keeps track of paranoid talk and i'm not on their list. I've been evaluated and certified. - keepit

nuclear powered ships do not require nuclear fuel. - Swan

While it is true that fossils do not burn it is also true that fossil fuels burn very well - Swan
03-10-2022 06:43
Into the NightProfile picture★★★★★
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Swan wrote:
IBdaMann wrote:
Swan wrote:Google made a huge revelation on October 23, 2019, when it announced that it had reached something called "quantum supremacy."

... so we can correctly say that you fell for this, right?

The DoD isn't pursuing this. Can you think of any reason they might have for not rushing to be quantumly supreme over their adversaries?

Any Cloud provider who were to become quantumly supreme would corner the content delivery market, and then the entire Cloud market. Why do you suppose none of the big three are rushing to corner the market?

Any ideas?

Why are RAM manufacturers satisfied with the current limits to the speed of their memory? Seagate or Western Digital or any other could corner the market by making data reads and writes instantaneous (no latency). Any ideas why nobody is bothering to become Diana Ross and the Quantumly Supremes?

.


Actually the DOD is pursuing quantum cryptography very aggressively,

No, it isn't.
Swan wrote:
because without this the enemy could easily break every single standard code rendering the entire military and banking systems neutered.

There is no 'standard code'. Buzzword fallacy.
Swan wrote:
https://www.nationaldefensemagazine.org/articles/2022/9/6/government-seeking-quantum-proof-encryption

More buzzwords. Meaningless.
Swan wrote:
Once matured, quantum technology is expected to create a shift in the defense world due to the large volume of data it will be able to quickly process. While that can lead to great advances in science and technology, it can also empower those seeking to break into encrypted communications.

There is no such thing as 'quantum technology'.
Swan wrote:
The Department of Commerce recently identified four algorithms that could stymie quantum hackers.

There is no such thing as 'quantum hackers'.
Swan wrote:
The National Institute of Standards and Technology recently announced it had completed a major step in its effort to create guidelines for encryption that protect against quantum-based attacks.

There is no such thing as 'quantum based attack'.
Swan wrote:
Experts said the algorithms present an opportunity for federal agencies to begin evaluating what security measures work best for them.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Federal agencies???????!? Notoriously HORRIBLE with handling encryption and security????????!?
Swan wrote:
The institute has been pitting cryptographers against each other for six years to come up with a new standard for encryption. The selected algorithms — CRYSTALS-Kyber, CRYSTALS-Dilithium, FALCON and SPHINCS+ — are just the first step in a long road to complete safety from quantum computing, said Duncan Jones, head of cybersecurity at Quantinuum, a quantum computing firm based in Colorado.

"It makes it much easier to start planning and testing, which is important because there is so much work to do ahead of us," he said.

Pete Ford, senior vice president for government operations at Silicon Valley-based cybersecurity company QuSecure, described the severity of the quantum threat as the next international arms race for the defense industry.

If quantum computers unlock the information secured by current encryption technology, adversaries could gain access to U.S. operational plans, ally partnership strategies and more, he said.

"We really appreciate the freedom that our information technology allows us. When that's taken away, it's really hard to capture that freedom back," he said.

Oooooooooh. Someone that uses fear mongering to sell his product. Where have I seen THAT before??
Swan wrote:
Of the nearly 70 algorithms that were submitted for consideration to become part of the standard, "simplicity and elegance" seem to be characteristics favored by NIST, Duncan said.

There is no standard.
Swan wrote:
"Where it was a more easily understood algorithm, the more confident I think they felt in selecting it," he said.

Faster and smaller algorithms were also favored, he noted. CRYSTALS-Kyber has "comparatively small encryption keys" and quick speed, according to a press release about the standard. CRYSTALS-Dilithium and FALCON will be used for protecting digital signatures, which are used for identity authentication. They were praised for their "high efficiency" by NIST reviewers.

Nah. I'll just use what already works.
Swan wrote:
The way asymmetric cryptography, or public key encryption, works is by creating one public and one private key. The keys are mathematically linked using an algorithm. People can exchange public keys in order to decrypt, or unscramble, the secure communications they are exchanging.

Nope. Not how it works. Obviously you are very illiterate about cryptography techniques including currently used methods (which have been in use since the 60's). They work.
Swan wrote:
The encryption is safe because it would take hackers too long to guess the key using a traditional computer. But if a hacker leverages the processing power of quantum, it renders the key much easier to understand, bypassing the encryption and gaining access to protected communications.

Nope. No such thing as 'power of quantum'. You cannot bypass encryption. If it's encrypted, it's already too late.
Swan wrote:
Ford said QuSecure has already been using some of the algorithms that are part of the new standard. For example, the company demonstrated secure communications for a government client using CRYSTALS-Kyber earlier in the summer.

During the demonstration, the company turned on a post-quantum communications channel over the open internet in a combined Air Force, Space Force and North American Aerospace Defense Command facility and demonstrated the use of quantum-resilient keys.

Ford said it was the first time a quantum-protected line of communication had been opened in a government facility.

There is no standard. Using an arranged demonstration of 'weakness' is just contrivance.
Swan wrote:
Using the algorithm and tunnel to protect communications didn't introduce any new latency or bandwidth issues, he said.

Jones added because so many nations are racing to develop quantum technology, it is possible a researcher may develop new techniques to break encryption. That could mean adversaries could start decrypting communications even faster.

There is no standard.
Swan wrote:
"Agencies need to treat this threat seriously and recognize that the attacks may have begun," he said.

Attacks occur all the time. Certain types of encryption are not attackable no matter how much computer power you have. They are mathematically secure. They've been in use since the 60's. They work.
Swan wrote:
In addition to experimenting with new algorithms, agencies need to become crypto-agile, he said. The ability to adapt will ensure long-term protection.

There is no standard. People are already 'crypto-agile', as you put it.
Swan wrote:
"We want to be able to change algorithms in the future without a huge headache," he said. "And anytime we find a system that was painful to change this time around, we should make it easier in the future."

People already change encryption algorithms every few weeks. Apparently you have never heard of how many changes occur in openssl, for example.
Swan wrote:
That's one reason why the SPHINCS+ algorithm is an "unexpected" but valuable choice, Jones noted. Because it is from a different family of algorithms than FALCON and CRYSTALS-Dilithium — meaning it is based on a different type of math — it can work as a backup to the others, according to a press release.

NIST is also reviewing an additional four algorithms, a statement said. The announcements for the standard were separated into two because of the "need for a robust variety of defense tools," according to the institute.

Jones emphasized that though quantum computing is a serious risk for federal agencies and companies who work with the government, it can still be an "ally" to cybersecurity. Because of its yet unrealized processing power, it could be used to help make algorithms harder to crack, he said.

Obviously this guy is pushing his product. Guess what? That won't work. Encryption techniques are open source. They work.
Swan wrote:
"We're going to get past the threat phase, and then all that will be left will be the benefits that quantum can bring," he said.

Back to his fear mongering to sell his product. Yawn.

Open source is the key, dumbass. Some current encryption techniques are literally unbreakable, no matter how much computing power you have, such as the one time pad.

You are obviously clueless about cryptography.


The Parrot Killer

Debunked in my sig. - tmiddles

Google keeps track of paranoid talk and i'm not on their list. I've been evaluated and certified. - keepit

nuclear powered ships do not require nuclear fuel. - Swan

While it is true that fossils do not burn it is also true that fossil fuels burn very well - Swan
03-10-2022 07:04
Into the NightProfile picture★★★★★
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IBdaMann wrote:
Swan wrote:Actually the DOD is pursuing quantum cryptography very aggressively,

Actually, they're not.

The NSA is DoD's executive agent for encryption and they are happy with their existing eliptic curve encryption. The NSA is well aware that there is no "quantum computing" technology.

Swan wrote: ...because without this the enemy could easily break every single standard code rendering the entire military and banking systems neutered.

Too funny. Because you are not very literate on technology, you are confusing two types of speed. Distance/Velocity speed is not system clock speed. Enemy computers wouldn't have any faster system clocks even if their data latency were reduced to zero ... meaning they would still only accomplish the same number of instructions per second. This is the underlying factor in encryption.

The underlying factor in encryption is not computing power. It is the encryption method used and the context in which it is used. Computers do not even need to come into play at all.

Encryption systems used on computers is largely built by open source. The algorithm is publicly available and easily correctable when a deficiency is found. Updates to these algorithms come out every few weeks. Most every IT department is aware when these updates come out and upgrade their own system accordingly.

Places like NSA have developed their own algorithms, which they try to keep very secret (security through obscurity, which hardly ever works). Nevertheless, the NSA has developed reasonably successful algorithms. NSA isn't particularly interested in securing their own stuff, they are more interested in other's stuff. Like most federal agencies, they want to impose their algorithms as 'the standard'.

The open source community has been down this road many times with various federal agencies trying this. There is no standard. People use the encryption developed that they want.

Swan's description of asymmetric encryption is wildly inaccurate. Public/private key technology is not used to transmit plain text. It is used to transmit a multi-time pad. It is used as the courier.

The pad validity is only for seconds. After that, breaking into the keys means nothing.

Already, there are people that hijack weakly secured computers (such as Windows machines), to try to break keys by working in parallel. It is unsuccessful because of the very short nature of of the validity of the pad.

There are a variety of open source approaches to encryption, many based on using public/private keys to share a one time pad or multi-time pad. The pad is a set of random numbers. Breaking into a pad only produces random numbers. Once the pad is shared, encryption turns to a very fast Captain Crunch decoder ring style of encryption. This is why encryption is so fast on, say, an HTTPS website. The pad is completely discarded as soon as the GET or POST transaction is completed. Most of these base their encryption on openssl, an open source project that sends out frequent updates as deficiencies are found.

Spies have been using one time pad encryption since the 60's. There is nothing new about this form of encryption. They still use it today because it works. It is simply not possible to break it no matter how much computing power you have. It's only weakness is intercepting the courier carrying the pad. Most spy agencies have eliminated the courier altogether, and arrange the pad before the agent goes into the field.

Of course, some people are woefully clueless about data security. Remember the Target fiasco where it was discovered that Target cash registers were transmitting credit card information in PLAIN TEXT over radio? Sheesh.


The Parrot Killer

Debunked in my sig. - tmiddles

Google keeps track of paranoid talk and i'm not on their list. I've been evaluated and certified. - keepit

nuclear powered ships do not require nuclear fuel. - Swan

While it is true that fossils do not burn it is also true that fossil fuels burn very well - Swan
Edited on 03-10-2022 07:14
03-10-2022 14:38
SwanProfile picture★★★★★
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IBdaMann wrote:
Swan wrote:Actually the DOD is pursuing quantum cryptography very aggressively,

Actually, they're not.

The NSA is DoD's executive agent for encryption and they are happy with their existing eliptic curve encryption. The NSA is well aware that there is no "quantum computing" technology.

Swan wrote: ...because without this the enemy could easily break every single standard code rendering the entire military and banking systems neutered.

Too funny. Because you are not very literate on technology, you are confusing two types of speed. Distance/Velocity speed is not system clock speed. Enemy computers wouldn't have any faster system clocks even if their data latency were reduced to zero ... meaning they would still only accomplish the same number of instructions per second. This is the underlying factor in encryption.


Wrong because if the chinks achieve quantum supremacy on a wide scale before the USA then they could intercept and decode every nuclear and banking code near instantly. With that the DOD has no logical alternative but to achieve this first and in doing so make all of our code's quantum, furthermore the DOD, white house, FBI, CIA, and QVC all agree with this, not that you believe that you are allowed to utter the truth.

https://www.defense.gov/News/News-Stories/Article/article/2509192/quantum-science-to-deliver-cutting-edge-technology-to-warfighters-official-says/

Quantum Science to Deliver Cutting-Edge Technology to Warfighters, Official Says
Feb. 23, 2021 | By David Vergun, DOD News |
During Engineers Week, the Defense Department is highlighting its efforts to develop a diverse and well-educated future engineering workforce and to increase understanding of and interest in engineering and technology.
Quantum science is important for the Defense Department because of the revolutionary technologies that it will bring to warfighters, the principal director for quantum science in the office of the undersecretary of defense for research and engineering said in an interview recently.

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Among the technologies in development are advances in quantum computing and networks that are many times more effective at encrypting or decrypting today's communications, Paul Lopata said.

DOD scientists and civilian partners are working with the National Institute of Standards and Technology to develop new cryptographic standards that ensure information stays private, he added.

Quantum sensors are another exciting future possibility that could be used for such things as missile and aircraft tracking, as well as more advanced gyros and accelerometers, he said.

A graphic depicts an atom.
"We're just starting to understand the possibilities," he said.

An application where quantum science is used today is in powering the atomic clocks used by GPS satellites, which must be precisely synchronized. Lopata said that's important because military systems such as aircraft and missiles need to have a great deal of precision, navigation and timing.

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Lopata likened quantum science to the military's first use of electricity in the 1800s, which was used to power telegraphs — the first information technology of its kind that greatly improved long distance command, control and communications.

A scientist works with equipment attached to wires.
Of course, the U.S. isn't the only nation pursuing quantum science for military use, he said. So-called great power competitors Russia and China are, as well.

Fortunately, so are our allies and partners, he said, meaning that these nations can and are collaborating on some of these quantum science projects.

A large room filled with equipment is bathed in colorful lights.
In the U.S., the department is leveraging academia and the private sector to advance quantum science, Lopata said. DOD's efforts are concentrated in each of the service's research laboratories and engineering departments, as well as organizations that include the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency.

A graphic depicts a ball of light and a series of zeros and ones.
There's a wide range of basic scientists, applied scientists and engineers looking to understand how the department can take advantage of quantum science and apply it to current and new systems, he said.

"DOD is a top tier place to be a quantum scientist because of the broad possibilities for research, the opportunity to pioneer new technologies, and the ability to serve our country," he said.


According to CDC/Government info, people who were vaccinated are now DYING at a higher rate than non-vaccinated people, which exposes the covid vaccines as the poison that they are

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03-10-2022 14:51
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Into the Night wrote:
Swan wrote:
IBdaMann wrote:
Swan wrote:Google made a huge revelation on October 23, 2019, when it announced that it had reached something called "quantum supremacy."

... so we can correctly say that you fell for this, right?

The DoD isn't pursuing this. Can you think of any reason they might have for not rushing to be quantumly supreme over their adversaries?

Any Cloud provider who were to become quantumly supreme would corner the content delivery market, and then the entire Cloud market. Why do you suppose none of the big three are rushing to corner the market?

Any ideas?

Why are RAM manufacturers satisfied with the current limits to the speed of their memory? Seagate or Western Digital or any other could corner the market by making data reads and writes instantaneous (no latency). Any ideas why nobody is bothering to become Diana Ross and the Quantumly Supremes?

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Actually the DOD is pursuing quantum cryptography very aggressively,

No, it isn't.
Swan wrote:
because without this the enemy could easily break every single standard code rendering the entire military and banking systems neutered.

There is no 'standard code'. Buzzword fallacy.
Swan wrote:
https://www.nationaldefensemagazine.org/articles/2022/9/6/government-seeking-quantum-proof-encryption

More buzzwords. Meaningless.
Swan wrote:
Once matured, quantum technology is expected to create a shift in the defense world due to the large volume of data it will be able to quickly process. While that can lead to great advances in science and technology, it can also empower those seeking to break into encrypted communications.

There is no such thing as 'quantum technology'.
Swan wrote:
The Department of Commerce recently identified four algorithms that could stymie quantum hackers.

There is no such thing as 'quantum hackers'.
Swan wrote:
The National Institute of Standards and Technology recently announced it had completed a major step in its effort to create guidelines for encryption that protect against quantum-based attacks.

There is no such thing as 'quantum based attack'.
Swan wrote:
Experts said the algorithms present an opportunity for federal agencies to begin evaluating what security measures work best for them.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Federal agencies???????!? Notoriously HORRIBLE with handling encryption and security????????!?
Swan wrote:
The institute has been pitting cryptographers against each other for six years to come up with a new standard for encryption. The selected algorithms — CRYSTALS-Kyber, CRYSTALS-Dilithium, FALCON and SPHINCS+ — are just the first step in a long road to complete safety from quantum computing, said Duncan Jones, head of cybersecurity at Quantinuum, a quantum computing firm based in Colorado.

"It makes it much easier to start planning and testing, which is important because there is so much work to do ahead of us," he said.

Pete Ford, senior vice president for government operations at Silicon Valley-based cybersecurity company QuSecure, described the severity of the quantum threat as the next international arms race for the defense industry.

If quantum computers unlock the information secured by current encryption technology, adversaries could gain access to U.S. operational plans, ally partnership strategies and more, he said.

"We really appreciate the freedom that our information technology allows us. When that's taken away, it's really hard to capture that freedom back," he said.

Oooooooooh. Someone that uses fear mongering to sell his product. Where have I seen THAT before??
Swan wrote:
Of the nearly 70 algorithms that were submitted for consideration to become part of the standard, "simplicity and elegance" seem to be characteristics favored by NIST, Duncan said.

There is no standard.
Swan wrote:
"Where it was a more easily understood algorithm, the more confident I think they felt in selecting it," he said.

Faster and smaller algorithms were also favored, he noted. CRYSTALS-Kyber has "comparatively small encryption keys" and quick speed, according to a press release about the standard. CRYSTALS-Dilithium and FALCON will be used for protecting digital signatures, which are used for identity authentication. They were praised for their "high efficiency" by NIST reviewers.

Nah. I'll just use what already works.
Swan wrote:
The way asymmetric cryptography, or public key encryption, works is by creating one public and one private key. The keys are mathematically linked using an algorithm. People can exchange public keys in order to decrypt, or unscramble, the secure communications they are exchanging.

Nope. Not how it works. Obviously you are very illiterate about cryptography techniques including currently used methods (which have been in use since the 60's). They work.
Swan wrote:
The encryption is safe because it would take hackers too long to guess the key using a traditional computer. But if a hacker leverages the processing power of quantum, it renders the key much easier to understand, bypassing the encryption and gaining access to protected communications.

Nope. No such thing as 'power of quantum'. You cannot bypass encryption. If it's encrypted, it's already too late.
Swan wrote:
Ford said QuSecure has already been using some of the algorithms that are part of the new standard. For example, the company demonstrated secure communications for a government client using CRYSTALS-Kyber earlier in the summer.

During the demonstration, the company turned on a post-quantum communications channel over the open internet in a combined Air Force, Space Force and North American Aerospace Defense Command facility and demonstrated the use of quantum-resilient keys.

Ford said it was the first time a quantum-protected line of communication had been opened in a government facility.

There is no standard. Using an arranged demonstration of 'weakness' is just contrivance.
Swan wrote:
Using the algorithm and tunnel to protect communications didn't introduce any new latency or bandwidth issues, he said.

Jones added because so many nations are racing to develop quantum technology, it is possible a researcher may develop new techniques to break encryption. That could mean adversaries could start decrypting communications even faster.

There is no standard.
Swan wrote:
"Agencies need to treat this threat seriously and recognize that the attacks may have begun," he said.

Attacks occur all the time. Certain types of encryption are not attackable no matter how much computer power you have. They are mathematically secure. They've been in use since the 60's. They work.
Swan wrote:
In addition to experimenting with new algorithms, agencies need to become crypto-agile, he said. The ability to adapt will ensure long-term protection.

There is no standard. People are already 'crypto-agile', as you put it.
Swan wrote:
"We want to be able to change algorithms in the future without a huge headache," he said. "And anytime we find a system that was painful to change this time around, we should make it easier in the future."

People already change encryption algorithms every few weeks. Apparently you have never heard of how many changes occur in openssl, for example.
Swan wrote:
That's one reason why the SPHINCS+ algorithm is an "unexpected" but valuable choice, Jones noted. Because it is from a different family of algorithms than FALCON and CRYSTALS-Dilithium — meaning it is based on a different type of math — it can work as a backup to the others, according to a press release.

NIST is also reviewing an additional four algorithms, a statement said. The announcements for the standard were separated into two because of the "need for a robust variety of defense tools," according to the institute.

Jones emphasized that though quantum computing is a serious risk for federal agencies and companies who work with the government, it can still be an "ally" to cybersecurity. Because of its yet unrealized processing power, it could be used to help make algorithms harder to crack, he said.

Obviously this guy is pushing his product. Guess what? That won't work. Encryption techniques are open source. They work.
Swan wrote:
"We're going to get past the threat phase, and then all that will be left will be the benefits that quantum can bring," he said.

Back to his fear mongering to sell his product. Yawn.

Open source is the key, dumbass. Some current encryption techniques are literally unbreakable, no matter how much computing power you have, such as the one time pad.

You are obviously clueless about cryptography.


Says the idiot who just quoted an article line by line that I neither wrote nor read. That said you behave like a pet sea lion clapping your fins for a sardine




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Edited on 03-10-2022 14:54
03-10-2022 18:16
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Swan wrote:
...deleted denial of self argument...

No argument presented. Paradox. Trolling.


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03-10-2022 18:28
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Into the Night wrote:The underlying factor in encryption is not computing power.

I'm going to have to disagree with you on this point. Of course, everything else you wrote is accurate, but the purpose of encryption is to prevent unauthorized decryption. Today, computers are used to break encryption; raw computing power is dedicated to brute force attempts to decrypt. The NSA has entire floors of specialized, state-of-the-art mainframe computers dedicated to cracking codes and they know that our adversaries do as well. Well funded NGOs do also.

In choosing an encryption method, the starting assumption is that adversaries are capable of so many billions of high-level operations per second. Then each encryption method is evaluated first for the amount of time one could reasonably expect it to take such an adversary to crack the cyphertext, and then is evaluated on other factors. The time required to break a relatively simple and straightforward RSA encryption for a given key size is massively increased by implementing eliptic curve encryption, from a few hours to a few millenia.

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03-10-2022 18:43
SwanProfile picture★★★★★
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IBdaMann wrote:
Swan wrote:Actually the DOD is pursuing quantum cryptography very aggressively,

Actually, they're not.

The NSA is DoD's executive agent for encryption and they are happy with their existing eliptic curve encryption. The NSA is well aware that there is no "quantum computing" technology.

Swan wrote: ...because without this the enemy could easily break every single standard code rendering the entire military and banking systems neutered.

Too funny. Because you are not very literate on technology, you are confusing two types of speed. Distance/Velocity speed is not system clock speed. Enemy computers wouldn't have any faster system clocks even if their data latency were reduced to zero ... meaning they would still only accomplish the same number of instructions per second. This is the underlying factor in encryption.


Actually the DOD is working on quantum computing and quantum cryptology 24 hours a day 7 days a week because losing this field to the enemy would be devastating.

This is all searched directly from the DOD page itself

https://search.usa.gov/search?query=quantum%20computing&affiliate=defensegov&utf8=%26%23x2713%3B

DOD Officials Discuss Quantum Science, 5G and Directed Energy > U.S. Department of Defense > Defense Department News
https://www.defense.gov/News/News-Stories/Article/Article/2530494/dod-officials-discuss-quantum-science-5g-and-directed-energy/
Research and Engineering, discussed quantum science, 5G and directed energy....News Reform DOD Officials Discuss Quantum Science, 5G and Directed ...
DOD Should Focus on Short-Term Goals in Quantum Science > U.S. Department of Defense > Defense Department News
https://www.defense.gov/News/News-Stories/Article/Article/2110617/dod-should-focus-on-short-term-goals-in-quantum-science/
Quantum computing and quantum communication are not beyond the boundaries of...Should Focus on Short-Term Goals in Quantum Science March 12, 2020 | BY ...
DOD Looks at U.S.-South Korea Technology Collaboration > U.S. Department of Defense > Defense Department News
https://www.defense.gov/News/News-Stories/Article/Article/3058558/dod-looks-at-us-south-korea-technology-collaboration/
...including artificial intelligence, 5G, quantum technology, biotechnology and renewable...batteries, artificial intelligence, quantum technology ...
DOD in Search of Disruptive Technologies That Will Enable the Warfighter > U.S. Department of Defense > Defense Department News
https://www.defense.gov/News/News-Stories/Article/Article/2959378/dod-in-search-of-disruptive-technologies-that-will-enable-the-warfighter/
...pandemics. Quantum science can provide unprecedented computational speed and...VIRIN: 200808-F-DB956-0290C Advanced computing and software must focus ...
Official Says DOD, With Help From Partners, on Cusp of Cutting-Edge Innovations > U.S. Department of Defense > Defense Department News
https://www.defense.gov/News/News-Stories/Article/Article/2837650/official-says-dod-with-help-from-partners-on-cusp-of-cutting-edge-innovations/
Artificial intelligence, quantum computing, bioengineering and other leap-ahead...News Artificial intelligence, quantum computing, bioengineering and ...
Department of Defense Announces University Research Funding Awards > U.S. Department of Defense > Release
https://www.defense.gov/News/Releases/Release/Article/2953234/department-of-defense-announces-university-research-funding-awards/
Irvine TXMANYCA Seth Banks 7 Synthetic Quantum Matter Reimagining Atoms and Photons...SYnthetic, DYnamical, and INteracting Quantum matter (RAPSYDY IN ...
Joint Statement of the U.S.-Japan Security Consultative Committee ("2+2") > U.S. Department of Defense > Release
https://www.defense.gov/News/Releases/Release/Article/2891314/joint-statement-of-the-us-japan-security-consultative-committee-22/
...learning, directed energy, and quantum computing. The Ministers concurred to conduct
Dr. Johnn Burke > U.S. Department of Defense > Biography
https://www.defense.gov/About/Biographies/Biography/Article/3027560/dr-johnn-burke/
...(S&T) as the Principal Director for Quantum Science in March...John Burke Principal Director for Quantum Science for the Office of the ...
> U.S. Department of Defense > Contract
https://www.defense.gov/News/Contracts/Contract/Article/606819/
Architects,* Portsmouth, Virginia; Computing Technologies Inc., Fairfax, Virginia;...* Goleta, California; Full Circle Computing Inc.,* Exton ...
> U.S. Department of Defense > Contract
https://www.defense.gov/News/Contracts/Contract/Article/822083/
Group LLC*, Altona, Illinois; Applied Computer Training and Technology Inc. doing...Fayetteville, North Carolina; Comptech Computer Technologies Inc ...
Quantum Science to Deliver Cutting-Edge Technology to Warfighters, Official Says > U.S. Department of Defense > Defense Department News
https://www.defense.gov/News/News-Stories/Article/Article/2509192/quantum-science-to-deliver-cutting-edge-technology-to-warfighters-official-says/
Quantum science is important for the Defense Department, because of the revolutionary...News Reform Quantum Science to Deliver Cutting-Edge Technology ...
Joint Statement on Australia-U.S. Ministerial Consultations (AUSMIN) 2021 > U.S. Department of Defense > Release
https://www.defense.gov/News/Releases/Release/Article/2780670/joint-statement-on-australia-us-ministerial-consultations-ausmin-2021/
...intelligence, biotechnology, and quantum computing as examples that would benefit
Dr. Paul Lopata > U.S. Department of Defense > Biography
https://www.defense.gov/About/Biographies/Biography/Article/1890149/dr-paul-lopata/
...the former Principal Director for Quantum Science in the Office of the Under...Lopata Former Assistant Director, Quantum Science Office of the Under ...
Department of Defense Announces $197.2 Million for Microelectronics > U.S. Department of Defense > Release
https://www.defense.gov/News/Releases/Release/Article/2384039/department-of-defense-announces-1972-million-for-microelectronics/
...intelligence, 5G communications, quantum computing, and autonomous vehicles. "The
Deputy Secretary of Defense Dr. Kathleen Hicks and Deputy Secretary of Energy David Turk On-Record Press Engagement En Route to Oak Ridge, Tennessee > U.S. Department of Defense > Transcript
https://www.defense.gov/News/Transcripts/Transcript/Article/3134391/deputy-secretary-of-defense-dr-kathleen-hicks-and-deputy-secretary-of-energy-da/
...which is the first computer to achieve exascale computational threshold, which...how do we ensure we can get the quantum computing capability that we ...
Ronald S. Moultrie > U.S. Department of Defense > Biography
https://www.defense.gov/About/Biographies/Biography/Article/2764848/ronald-s-moultrie/
AI/Machine Learning, 5 and 6G, and Quantum computing. Mr. Moultrie is the recipient
CHIPS Act Advances DOD's Emphasis on Microelectronics > U.S. Department of Defense > Defense Department News
https://www.defense.gov/News/News-Stories/Article/Article/3123699/chips-act-advances-dods-emphasis-on-microelectronics/
...a virtual keynote during Federal Computer Week's Emerging Technology Workshop...virtual discussion today at Federal Computer Week's Emerging ...
> U.S. Department of Defense > Contract
https://www.defense.gov/News/Contracts/Contract/Article/836904/
...digital and quantum memory technologies, exploiting superconducting quantum interference...digital and quantum memory technologies, exploiting ...
> U.S. Department of Defense > Contract
https://www.defense.gov/News/Contracts/Contract/Article/3175072/
...the ADRP equipment with the Mission Computer and Display system to provide for...critical first step in establishing quantum computing for the ...
Department of Defense Announces 2022 Class of Laboratory-University Collaboration Initiative Fellows > U.S. Department of Defense > Release
https://www.defense.gov/News/Releases/Release/Article/3151504/department-of-defense-announces-2022-class-of-laboratory-university-collaborati/
...(NRL) High Speed Analog Photonic Computing with Spatio-Temporal Metamaterials...Color Centers to Control Microwaves: Quantum-Enhanced Sensing and ...

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Modernization of Armed Forces a Collaborative Effort, Official Says > U.S. Department of Defense > Defense Department News
https://www.defense.gov/News/News-Stories/Article/Article/3155206/modernization-of-armed-forces-a-collaborative-effort-official-says/
...technology areas include biotechnology; quantum sciences; advanced materials; future...network; systems of systems; advanced computing and software ...
DOD Adopts 'Zero Trust' Approach to Buying Microelectronics > U.S. Department of Defense > Defense Department News
https://www.defense.gov/News/News-Stories/Article/Article/2192120/dod-adopts-zero-trust-approach-to-buying-microelectronics/
Force Base, Ariz., Dec. 14, 2015. Computers aboard aircraft such as the F-35...read-only memory in an early 1980s computer. SHARE IMAGE: Download ...
Hicks Provides Overview of DOD Priorities > U.S. Department of Defense > Defense Department News
https://www.defense.gov/News/News-Stories/Article/Article/2650466/hicks-provides-overview-of-dod-priorities/
...systems, artificial intelligence and quantum science, Hicks said. Spotlight: Artificial
DoD Announces National Security Science and Engineering Faculty Fellows > U.S. Department of Defense > Defense Department News
https://www.defense.gov/News/News-Stories/Article/Article/704082/dod-announces-national-security-science-and-engineering-faculty-fellows/
...conduct basic research in the areas of quantum information science, neuroscience...Massachusetts Institute of Technology, Quantum Algorithms; -- Oscar ...
Remarks by Secretary of Defense Lloyd J. Austin III at the Reagan National Defense Forum (As Delivered) > U.S. Department of Defense > Speech
https://www.defense.gov/News/Speeches/Speech/Article/2861931/remarks-by-secretary-of-defense-lloyd-j-austin-iii-at-the-reagan-national-defen/
...funds into key sectors, including quantum research. And Beijing is pursuing...Now, huge advances in AI, and edge computing, and nanotechnology are ...
Michael J.K. Kratsios > U.S. Department of Defense > Biography
https://www.defense.gov/About/Biographies/Biography/Article/2279091/michael-jk-kratsios/
...for artificial intelligence, quantum computing, 5G and broadband communications...Initiative, standing up the National Quantum Coordination Office ...
Investments in Technology Crucial to Staying Ahead, Innovation Unit Director Says > U.S. Department of Defense > Defense Department News
https://www.defense.gov/News/News-Stories/Article/Article/2818899/investments-in-technology-crucial-to-staying-ahead-innovation-unit-director-says/
...the Defense Innovation Unit said. Computer Program Air Force Lt. Col. Josh Linden...programs the flight computer before takeoff. Flight computers such ...
Department of Defense Announces 2022 Class of Vannevar Bush Faculty Fellowship > U.S. Department of Defense > Release
https://www.defense.gov/News/Releases/Release/Article/3092053/department-of-defense-announces-2022-class-of-vannevar-bush-faculty-fellowship/
...materials science, cognitive neuroscience, quantum information sciences, and applied...Data-Driven Acceleration and Discovery of Computational Models ...
Deputy Secretary of Defense Dr. Kathleen Hicks Visits U.S. Transportation Command and Purdue University > U.S. Department of Defense > Release
https://www.defense.gov/News/Releases/Release/Article/3133092/deputy-secretary-of-defense-dr-kathleen-hicks-visits-us-transportation-command/
...workforce development program; quantum computing; cybersecurity; and Purdue's
DOD Aims to Close Gap in Bringing U.S. Tech Innovation to Market > U.S. Department of Defense > Defense Department News
https://www.defense.gov/News/News-Stories/Article/Article/3004711/dod-aims-to-close-gap-in-bringing-us-tech-innovation-to-market/
...said, one researcher in neuromorphic computing at Stanford had the ability locally...microelectronics he'd devised. Neuromorphic computing emulates ...
DOD Names Acting Under Secretary of Defense for Research and Engineering > U.S. Department of Defense > Release
https://www.defense.gov/News/Releases/Release/Article/2271633/dod-names-acting-under-secretary-of-defense-for-research-and-engineering/
...for artificial intelligence, quantum computing, autonomous vehicles, commercial...Initiative, standing up the National Quantum Coordination Office ...
DOD Kicks Off 17th Annual Engineers Week > U.S. Department of Defense > Defense Department News
https://www.defense.gov/News/News-Stories/Article/Article/2944571/dod-kicks-off-17th-annual-engineers-week/
Those areas include biotechnology; quantum science; future-generation wireless...generation and storage; advanced computing and software ...
DOD to Modernize Intelligence Information Apparatus With 'Back to Basics' Approach > U.S. Department of Defense > Defense Department News
https://www.defense.gov/News/News-Stories/Article/Article/2704040/dod-to-modernize-intelligence-information-apparatus-with-back-to-basics-approach/
...learning, 5G wireless technology and quantum computing." Spotlight: Science and Technology
Joint Press Statement for the 21st Korea-U.S. Integrated Defense Dialogue > U.S. Department of Defense > Release
https://www.defense.gov/News/Releases/Release/Article/3130442/joint-press-statement-for-the-21st-korea-us-integrated-defense-dialogue/
...various high-tech domains such as space, quantum, cyber defense, artificial intelligence
Defense Secretary Says 'Integrated Deterrence' Is Cornerstone of U.S. Defense > U.S. Department of Defense > Defense Department News
https://www.defense.gov/News/News-Stories/Article/Article/2592149/defense-secretary-says-integrated-deterrence-is-cornerstone-of-us-defense/
...of artificial intelligence and quantum computing, for example. Integrated deterrence
Vice President Tells Graduating Midshipmen They Are the Future > U.S. Department of Defense > Defense Department News
https://www.defense.gov/News/News-Stories/Article/Article/2638890/vice-president-tells-graduating-midshipmen-they-are-the-future/
...that you've been learning, like quantum computing and artificial intelligence,
Admiral Offers Vision for Indo-Pacific > U.S. Department of Defense > Defense Department News
https://www.defense.gov/News/News-Stories/Article/Article/2521101/admiral-offers-vision-for-indo-pacific/
...are artificial intelligence, quantum computing, remote sensing, machine learning
President's FY 2022 Discretionary Funding Request for the Department of Defense > U.S. Department of Defense > Release
https://www.defense.gov/News/Releases/Release/Article/2567205/presidents-fy-2022-discretionary-funding-request-for-the-department-of-defense/
...cybersecurity, microelectronics, and quantum science. In order to prioritize these
Deputy Secretary of Defense Nominee Emphasizes Reform, Modernization > U.S. Department of Defense > Defense Department News
https://www.defense.gov/News/News-Stories/Article/Article/2490642/deputy-secretary-of-defense-nominee-emphasizes-reform-modernization/
...areas that include hypersonics, quantum computing and other cutting-edge technologies
> U.S. Department of Defense > Contract
https://www.defense.gov/News/Contracts/Contract/Article/1831787/
...access to the IBM Q System, a quantum computer with approximately 20 to 50 qubits

There are 5 more quantum pages of links, and this is merely the declassified stuff that losers like you are allowed access to.

Feel free to respond after your mommy gives you instructions on how to proceed.

Yawn


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Edited on 03-10-2022 19:23
03-10-2022 20:15
IBdaMannProfile picture★★★★★
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Swan wrote:Actually the DOD is working on quantum computing and quantum cryptology 24 hours a day 7 days a week

Nope. The NSA is not working on it. The NSA knows that your "quantum computing" is not actually real, and they realized this without interviewing you as they were obligated to. Also, if "quantum computing" were hypothetically an actual thing, the NSA would still know the difference between velocity and clock speed.

I see you are having great difficulty grasping this. Is there some way I can bring the concept of "frequency" more down to your level?


Hey, just take it one step at a time. Baby steps. We'll get you there but you have to go at your own pace, so it's not going to happen overnight. We'll work through it.

Don't be afraid to come to me with the hard stuff ... or the easy stuff. No student left behind.

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03-10-2022 20:42
Into the NightProfile picture★★★★★
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IBdaMann wrote:
Into the Night wrote:The underlying factor in encryption is not computing power.

I'm going to have to disagree with you on this point. Of course, everything else you wrote is accurate, but the purpose of encryption is to prevent unauthorized decryption.

Somewhat poorly worded, but essentially correct. The purpose of encryption is to secure communications or data.
IBdaMann wrote:
Today, computers are used to break encryption; raw computing power is dedicated to brute force attempts to decrypt.

Some encryption methods cannot be decrypted by unauthorized agents, no matter how much computing power they have. All they get for plaintext is random numbers. How do they even know they even succeeded?
IBdaMann wrote:
The NSA has entire floors of specialized, state-of-the-art mainframe computers dedicated to cracking codes and they know that our adversaries do as well. Well funded NGOs do also.

The only codes they can crack are those with some inherent compromise or weakness in them. Many encryption methods are compromises, and are vulnerable to attack because of it.
IBdaMann wrote:
In choosing an encryption method, the starting assumption is that adversaries are capable of so many billions of high-level operations per second.

Not really. In choosing an encryption method, the purpose of the encryption (the type of communication or data to be encrypted) is the primary factor.
IBdaMann wrote:
Then each encryption method is evaluated first for the amount of time one could reasonably expect it to take such an adversary to crack the cyphertext, and then is evaluated on other factors. The time required to break a relatively simple and straightforward RSA encryption for a given key size is massively increased by implementing eliptic curve encryption, from a few hours to a few millenia.

So? An eliptic curve encryption method is just one of many to choose from. It's a good one, though.

Remember, breaking an RSA key in a few hours may mean nothing. The plaintext validity is long gone. Getting the pad for a GET or POST transaction from a few hours ago means nothing.

It all really depends on what you use the encryption for.


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03-10-2022 20:45
Into the NightProfile picture★★★★★
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Swan wrote:Actually the DOD is pursuing quantum cryptography very aggressively,
...deleted repetition...Mantras 1i...

No argument presented. Spamming. Trolling.


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03-10-2022 22:00
IBdaMannProfile picture★★★★★
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Into the Night wrote:Some encryption methods cannot be decrypted by unauthorized agents, no matter how much computing power they have.

You have to qualify that with "if they are properly used." They can be broken when users get lazy, or sloppy, and make errors. Remember, the NSA broke the Russians' one-time pads during WWII when, due to their grave financial woes, they were forced to use them twice. Other crypto machines were broken because improper maintenance caused patterns and biases ... and one machine created an audible thud for eavesdroppers whenever the letter "a" was typed.

Otherwise, yes, there are methods for guaranteeing confidentiality.

Into the Night wrote:The only codes they can crack are those with some inherent compromise or weakness in them.

How do you define that? It's still encryption and the NSA doesn't care how little challenge there is ... they're going to decrypt it and read it.


Into the Night wrote:Not really. In choosing an encryption method, the purpose of the encryption (the type of communication or data to be encrypted) is the primary factor.

I can't think of a single example. The enterprise selects its asynchronus encryption for individuals and then its synchronus encryption for bulk encryption.



Into the Night wrote:So? An eliptic curve encryption method is just one of many to choose from. It's a good one, though.

Exactly. It's the strongest of them all. You can achieve amazing security with much shorter keys.

It is also the slowest of them all.

Into the Night wrote: Getting the pad for a GET or POST transaction from a few hours ago means nothing.

Incorrect. This is the only way to break a pad ... you get the pad. This is why they must be destroyed after use.

The way intelligence operatives snare unwitting targets is to coax them into providing "old, used encryption materials so we can get an idea of what kind of paper/card stock might be more suitable for our processes." With old materials they can decrypt whatever was encrypted with it ... unless it is asymetric encryption, of course.
03-10-2022 23:15
SwanProfile picture★★★★★
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IBdaMann wrote:
Swan wrote:Actually the DOD is working on quantum computing and quantum cryptology 24 hours a day 7 days a week

Nope. The NSA is not working on it. The NSA knows that your "quantum computing" is not actually real, and they realized this without interviewing you as they were obligated to. Also, if "quantum computing" were hypothetically an actual thing, the NSA would still know the difference between velocity and clock speed.

I see you are having great difficulty grasping this. Is there some way I can bring the concept of "frequency" more down to your level?


Hey, just take it one step at a time. Baby steps. We'll get you there but you have to go at your own pace, so it's not going to happen overnight. We'll work through it.

Don't be afraid to come to me with the hard stuff ... or the easy stuff. No student left behind.

.


Wrong again little girl, as the NSA is working just as feverously on quantum computing and cryptology as are the chinks

https://search.usa.gov/search?query=quantum%20computing&affiliate=nsa_css&utf8=%26%23x2713%3B

President Biden Signs Memo to Combat Quantum Computing Threat > National Security Agency/Central Security Service > Article
https://www.nsa.gov/Press-Room/News-Highlights/Article/Article/3020175/president-biden-signs-memo-to-combat-quantum-computing-threat/
...at maintaining U.S. leadership in quantum information sciences and to...President Biden Signs Memo to Combat Quantum Computing Threat FORT MEADE, Md ...
Post-Quantum Cybersecurity Resources
https://www.nsa.gov/Cybersecurity/Post-Quantum-Cybersecurity-Resources/
...remaining algorithms in the NIST post-quantum standardization effort, which can...Post-Quantum Cybersecurity Resources HomeCybersecurityPost-Quantum ...
National Security Agency/Central Security Service > Cybersecurity > Quantum Key Distribution (QKD) and Quantum Cryptography QC
https://www.nsa.gov/Cybersecurity/Quantum-Key-Distribution-QKD-and-Quantum-Cryptography-QC/
Quantum Key Distribution (QKD) and Quantum Cryptography (QC) HomeCybersecurityQuantum...HomeCybersecurityQuantum Key Distribution (QKD) and Quantum ...
Resources for News Media
https://www.nsa.gov/Press-Room/News-Highlights/Tag/55841/cybersecurity/
Sept. 7, 2022 NSA Releases Future Quantum-Resistant (QR) Algorithm Requirements...operators and vendors of the future quantum-resistant (QR) ...
National Security Agency/Central Security Service > site_map
https://www.nsa.gov/site_map/
Program Proposal Submission Guidelines Computer and Analytic Sciences Research Overview...Strategy & Management Office NSCAP Post-Quantum ...
TTP%20Patent%20Portfolio%20v6.pdf
https://www.nsa.gov/Portals/75/documents/what-we-do/research/technology-transfer/TTP%20Patent%20Portfolio%20v6.pdf
...for Licensing 4 CYBER 7 Reversible Computation Gate in Superconducting Circuits... . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 8 Computer Intrusion Anticipation ...
Center for Cybersecurity Standards
https://www.nsa.gov/Cybersecurity/Partnership/Standards/
Engineering Task Force (IETF), the Trusted Computing Group (TCG), the International Organization...against emerging threats such as quantum computing ...
CS%20SERVICE%20REQUEST%20QUESTIONNAIRE%20%2020191113.XLSX
https://www.nsa.gov/Portals/75/documents/resources/cybersecurity-professionals/CS%20SERVICE%20REQUEST%20QUESTIONNAIRE%20%2020191113.XLSX
...138 Publishing Management 139 Quantum Computing 140 Red Team 141 Reference implementations
NSA Releases 2021 Cybersecurity Year in Review > National Security Agency/Central Security Service > Press Release View
https://www.nsa.gov/Press-Room/Press-Releases-Statements/Press-Release-View/Article/2921744/nsa-releases-2021-cybersecurity-year-in-review/
Systems from potential adversary quantum computing attacks Combining with the National
Frequently Asked Questions
https://www.nsa.gov/Resources/Commercial-Solutions-for-Classified-Program/faq/
...tablets, smartphones, and laptop computers -- to access secure enterprise services...National Security Algorithm) suite to quantum resistance ...
Cybersecurity
https://www.nsa.gov/Cybersecurity/
...downloadable resources. Browse Post-Quantum Resources NSA shares our view on the...Institute of Standards & Technology post-quantum standardization ...
NSA Cybersecurity Perspectives on Quantum Key Distribution and Quantum Cryptography > National Security Agency/Central Security Service > Article
https://www.nsa.gov/Press-Room/News-Highlights/Article/Article/2394053/nsa-cybersecurity-perspectives-on-quantum-key-distribution-and-quantum-cryptogr/
...sharing guidance on quantum key distribution (QKD) and quantum cryptography (QC)...Cybersecurity Perspectives on Quantum Key Distribution and Quantum ...
Cybersecurity Advisories & Guidance
https://www.nsa.gov/Press-Room/Cybersecurity-Advisories-Guidance/
...version) Protecting VSAT Communications Quantum Security of Symmetric Cryptography
Capability Packages
https://www.nsa.gov/Resources/Commercial-Solutions-for-Classified-Program/Capability-Packages/
...(tablets, smartphones, and laptop computers) to access secure enterprise services...Symmetric Pre-Shared Keys to provide quantum resistant ...
NSA Releases Future Quantum-Resistant (QR) Algorithm Requirements for National Security Systems > National Security Agency/Central Security Service > Press Release View
https://www.nsa.gov/Press-Room/Press-Releases-Statements/Press-Release-View/Article/3148990/nsa-releases-future-quantum-resistant-qr-algorithm-requirements-for-national-se/
Sept. 7, 2022 NSA Releases Future Quantum-Resistant (QR) Algorithm Requirements...operators and vendors of the future quantum-resistant (QR) ...
NSA Launches LPS Qubit Collaboratory > National Security Agency/Central Security Service > Press Release View
https://www.nsa.gov/Press-Room/Press-Releases-Statements/Press-Release-View/Article/2570949/nsa-launches-lps-qubit-collaboratory/
...the LPS Qubit Collaboratory (LQC), a Quantum Information Science research center...the LPS Qubit Collaboratory (LQC), a Quantum Information Science ...
(U)%20DAR%20CP%20v5_0%20Final.pdf
https://www.nsa.gov/Portals/75/documents/resources/everyone/csfc/capability-packages/(U)%20DAR%20CP%20v5_0%20Final.pdf
NSA will initiate a transition to quantum resistant algorithms in the not too...should begin implementing a layer of quantum resistant protection ...
NSA's Laboratory for Physical Sciences Announces First-Ever Qubit Collaboratory > National Security Agency/Central Security Service > Article
https://www.nsa.gov/Press-Room/News-Highlights/Article/Article/2397829/nsas-laboratory-for-physical-sciences-announces-first-ever-qubit-collaboratory/
Office (ARO). First described by computer...Collaboratory NSA FT. MEADE, Md. – The quantum world hosts a rich variety of physics...particle scale, the ...
National Security Agency/Central Security Service > Research > NSA Mission-Oriented Research
https://www.nsa.gov/Research/NSA-Mission-Oriented-Research/
...include future computing systems (quantum/high-performance computing) and advanced...organizations to conduct advanced networking, computing, and ...
National Security Agency/Central Security Service > Research > Overview
https://www.nsa.gov/Research/Overview/
...experts in fields such as mathematics, computer science, engineering, cybersecurity...creates breakthroughs in mathematics, computer science ...


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03-10-2022 23:17
SwanProfile picture★★★★★
(2785)
IBdaMann wrote:
Swan wrote:Actually the DOD is working on quantum computing and quantum cryptology 24 hours a day 7 days a week

Nope. The NSA is not working on it. The NSA knows that your "quantum computing" is not actually real, and they realized this without interviewing you as they were obligated to. Also, if "quantum computing" were hypothetically an actual thing, the NSA would still know the difference between velocity and clock speed.

I see you are having great difficulty grasping this. Is there some way I can bring the concept of "frequency" more down to your level?


Hey, just take it one step at a time. Baby steps. We'll get you there but you have to go at your own pace, so it's not going to happen overnight. We'll work through it.

Don't be afraid to come to me with the hard stuff ... or the easy stuff. No student left behind.

.


NSA Building Quantum Computer to Crack Encryption Types


The National Security Agency (NSA) is starting a project, under the research program, to build a computer system that will be able to break almost each and every kind of encryption and securities to protect medical, business, banking and government records around the world.
The United States NSA is reportedly racing forward to create a machine considerably faster than classic computers, The Washington Post reported on Thursday. According to the document report provided by NSA whistle blower Mr. Edward Snowden, a research program named 'Penetrating Hard Targets' also includes a project in which manufacturing of a cryptologically useful quantum computer is included.



The expectations and implications of the machine manufacturing are very difficult to guess. Strong encryption tools which are used today may be included to crack any type of machine with that quantum computer. Probably, highly secured RSA standards are expected to be included in this machine which can decrypt any system at any time when required. RSA Algorithm is commonly used in web browsers security for emails and financial transactions.
Many scientific communities have been trying to develop such a machine which has revolutionary implications for fields like medicine as well as government records. The National Security Agency of US reportedly sees itself as in a race with Swiss and European Union sponsored quantum computing labs.


According to CDC/Government info, people who were vaccinated are now DYING at a higher rate than non-vaccinated people, which exposes the covid vaccines as the poison that they are

This place is quieter than the FBI commenting on the chink bank account information on Hunter Xiden's laptop

I LOVE TRUMP BECAUSE HE PISSES OFF ALL THE PEOPLE THAT I CAN'T STAND.

ULTRA MAGA

Now be honest, was I correct or was I correct? LOL
03-10-2022 23:55
Into the NightProfile picture★★★★★
(19854)
Swan wrote:
IBdaMann wrote:
Swan wrote:Actually the DOD is working on quantum computing and quantum cryptology 24 hours a day 7 days a week

Nope. The NSA is not working on it. The NSA knows that your "quantum computing" is not actually real, and they realized this without interviewing you as they were obligated to. Also, if "quantum computing" were hypothetically an actual thing, the NSA would still know the difference between velocity and clock speed.

I see you are having great difficulty grasping this. Is there some way I can bring the concept of "frequency" more down to your level?


Hey, just take it one step at a time. Baby steps. We'll get you there but you have to go at your own pace, so it's not going to happen overnight. We'll work through it.

Don't be afraid to come to me with the hard stuff ... or the easy stuff. No student left behind.

.


NSA Building Quantum Computer to Crack Encryption Types


The National Security Agency (NSA) is starting a project, under the research program, to build a computer system that will be able to break almost each and every kind of encryption and securities to protect medical, business, banking and government records around the world.

No, they are not. medical, business, banking, and government records are generally not encrypted. They don't need to be.
Swan wrote:
The United States NSA is reportedly racing forward to create a machine considerably faster than classic computers, The Washington Post reported on Thursday.

So? I see you believe everything the Washington Compost says.
Swan wrote:
According to the document report provided by NSA whistle blower Mr. Edward Snowden, a research program named 'Penetrating Hard Targets' also includes a project in which manufacturing of a cryptologically useful quantum computer is included.

There is no such thing as a 'quantum computer'. You are STILL denying quantum mechanics.
Swan wrote:
The expectations and implications of the machine manufacturing are very difficult to guess.

What machine?
Swan wrote:
Strong encryption tools which are used today may be included to crack any type of machine with that quantum computer.

Machines are not encrypted. There is nothing to crack. There is no such thing as a 'quantum computer'.
Swan wrote:
Probably, highly secured RSA standards

RSA is not a standard. It isn't a particularly strong encryption system either. It's useful enough for the web though.
Swan wrote:
are expected to be included in this machine which can decrypt any system at any time when required.

An operating system is not encrypted.
Swan wrote:
RSA Algorithm is commonly used in web browsers security for emails and financial transactions.

Not to transmit data. Email generally has no encryption. Not much point, really.
Swan wrote:
Many scientific communities

Science isn't a community.
Swan wrote:
have been trying to develop such a machine which has revolutionary implications for fields like medicine as well as government records.

Science isn't accounting either.
Swan wrote:
The National Security Agency of US reportedly sees itself as in a race with Swiss and European Union sponsored quantum computing labs.

There is no such thing as a 'quantum computer'. Buzzword fallacy. Discard of quantum mechanics.

You have only demonstrated yet again that you have no clue about cryptography


The Parrot Killer

Debunked in my sig. - tmiddles

Google keeps track of paranoid talk and i'm not on their list. I've been evaluated and certified. - keepit

nuclear powered ships do not require nuclear fuel. - Swan

While it is true that fossils do not burn it is also true that fossil fuels burn very well - Swan
Edited on 04-10-2022 00:16
04-10-2022 00:32
SwanProfile picture★★★★★
(2785)
Into the Night wrote:
Swan wrote:
IBdaMann wrote:
Swan wrote:Actually the DOD is working on quantum computing and quantum cryptology 24 hours a day 7 days a week

Nope. The NSA is not working on it. The NSA knows that your "quantum computing" is not actually real, and they realized this without interviewing you as they were obligated to. Also, if "quantum computing" were hypothetically an actual thing, the NSA would still know the difference between velocity and clock speed.

I see you are having great difficulty grasping this. Is there some way I can bring the concept of "frequency" more down to your level?


Hey, just take it one step at a time. Baby steps. We'll get you there but you have to go at your own pace, so it's not going to happen overnight. We'll work through it.

Don't be afraid to come to me with the hard stuff ... or the easy stuff. No student left behind.

.


NSA Building Quantum Computer to Crack Encryption Types


The National Security Agency (NSA) is starting a project, under the research program, to build a computer system that will be able to break almost each and every kind of encryption and securities to protect medical, business, banking and government records around the world.

No, they are not. medical, business, banking, and government records are generally not encrypted. They don't need to be.
Swan wrote:
The United States NSA is reportedly racing forward to create a machine considerably faster than classic computers, The Washington Post reported on Thursday.

So? I see you believe everything the Washington Compost says.
Swan wrote:
According to the document report provided by NSA whistle blower Mr. Edward Snowden, a research program named 'Penetrating Hard Targets' also includes a project in which manufacturing of a cryptologically useful quantum computer is included.

There is no such thing as a 'quantum computer'. You are STILL denying quantum mechanics.
Swan wrote:
The expectations and implications of the machine manufacturing are very difficult to guess.

What machine?
Swan wrote:
Strong encryption tools which are used today may be included to crack any type of machine with that quantum computer.

Machines are not encrypted. There is nothing to crack. There is no such thing as a 'quantum computer'.
Swan wrote:
Probably, highly secured RSA standards

RSA is not a standard. It isn't a particularly strong encryption system either. It's useful enough for the web though.
Swan wrote:
are expected to be included in this machine which can decrypt any system at any time when required.

An operating system is not encrypted.
Swan wrote:
RSA Algorithm is commonly used in web browsers security for emails and financial transactions.

Not to transmit data. Email generally has no encryption. Not much point, really.
Swan wrote:
Many scientific communities

Science isn't a community.
Swan wrote:
have been trying to develop such a machine which has revolutionary implications for fields like medicine as well as government records.

Science isn't accounting either.
Swan wrote:
The National Security Agency of US reportedly sees itself as in a race with Swiss and European Union sponsored quantum computing labs.

There is no such thing as a 'quantum computer'. Buzzword fallacy. Discard of quantum mechanics.

You have only demonstrated yet again that you have no clue about cryptography


I didn't read your drivel, but thanks for drooling anyway. Are you proud to be totally wasting your education here with me?

LOL, did they tell that you matter?


According to CDC/Government info, people who were vaccinated are now DYING at a higher rate than non-vaccinated people, which exposes the covid vaccines as the poison that they are

This place is quieter than the FBI commenting on the chink bank account information on Hunter Xiden's laptop

I LOVE TRUMP BECAUSE HE PISSES OFF ALL THE PEOPLE THAT I CAN'T STAND.

ULTRA MAGA

Now be honest, was I correct or was I correct? LOL
Edited on 04-10-2022 00:37
04-10-2022 21:24
Into the NightProfile picture★★★★★
(19854)
Swan wrote:
Into the Night wrote:
Swan wrote:
IBdaMann wrote:
Swan wrote:Actually the DOD is working on quantum computing and quantum cryptology 24 hours a day 7 days a week

Nope. The NSA is not working on it. The NSA knows that your "quantum computing" is not actually real, and they realized this without interviewing you as they were obligated to. Also, if "quantum computing" were hypothetically an actual thing, the NSA would still know the difference between velocity and clock speed.

I see you are having great difficulty grasping this. Is there some way I can bring the concept of "frequency" more down to your level?


Hey, just take it one step at a time. Baby steps. We'll get you there but you have to go at your own pace, so it's not going to happen overnight. We'll work through it.

Don't be afraid to come to me with the hard stuff ... or the easy stuff. No student left behind.

.


NSA Building Quantum Computer to Crack Encryption Types


The National Security Agency (NSA) is starting a project, under the research program, to build a computer system that will be able to break almost each and every kind of encryption and securities to protect medical, business, banking and government records around the world.

No, they are not. medical, business, banking, and government records are generally not encrypted. They don't need to be.
Swan wrote:
The United States NSA is reportedly racing forward to create a machine considerably faster than classic computers, The Washington Post reported on Thursday.

So? I see you believe everything the Washington Compost says.
Swan wrote:
According to the document report provided by NSA whistle blower Mr. Edward Snowden, a research program named 'Penetrating Hard Targets' also includes a project in which manufacturing of a cryptologically useful quantum computer is included.

There is no such thing as a 'quantum computer'. You are STILL denying quantum mechanics.
Swan wrote:
The expectations and implications of the machine manufacturing are very difficult to guess.

What machine?
Swan wrote:
Strong encryption tools which are used today may be included to crack any type of machine with that quantum computer.

Machines are not encrypted. There is nothing to crack. There is no such thing as a 'quantum computer'.
Swan wrote:
Probably, highly secured RSA standards

RSA is not a standard. It isn't a particularly strong encryption system either. It's useful enough for the web though.
Swan wrote:
are expected to be included in this machine which can decrypt any system at any time when required.

An operating system is not encrypted.
Swan wrote:
RSA Algorithm is commonly used in web browsers security for emails and financial transactions.

Not to transmit data. Email generally has no encryption. Not much point, really.
Swan wrote:
Many scientific communities

Science isn't a community.
Swan wrote:
have been trying to develop such a machine which has revolutionary implications for fields like medicine as well as government records.

Science isn't accounting either.
Swan wrote:
The National Security Agency of US reportedly sees itself as in a race with Swiss and European Union sponsored quantum computing labs.

There is no such thing as a 'quantum computer'. Buzzword fallacy. Discard of quantum mechanics.

You have only demonstrated yet again that you have no clue about cryptography

...deleted Mantras 5...1a...

No argument presented. Trolling.


The Parrot Killer

Debunked in my sig. - tmiddles

Google keeps track of paranoid talk and i'm not on their list. I've been evaluated and certified. - keepit

nuclear powered ships do not require nuclear fuel. - Swan

While it is true that fossils do not burn it is also true that fossil fuels burn very well - Swan
08-10-2022 06:31
HarveyH55Profile picture★★★★★
(4463)
'Quantum computer' reminds me a lot of 'fusion reactors'. Only a few years away... And fifty years later, still just right around the corner. We are likely to see all these amazing, laboratory 'breakthroughs', but nothing on a practical, or commercial scale. Feel sorry for those who shift their investment dollars in that direction, expecting to get filthy rich in a few years. We have just a 'proof-of-concept', but no clear sign that it's going beyond that anytime soon, or in our lifetime. A computer, isn't just a microprocessor. You have to be able to provide inputs, memory, instructions, and them means to display the results. The microprocessor might be incredibly fast, but not so important, if it spends a lot of idle time wait for data and instructions, or a storage device to read or write. The quantum microprocessor might be incredibly fast, but how long does it actually take to load and configure it, so you can run a program, read the results? My first computer didn't come with external/permanent storage. Had to enter programs line by line, every time I turned it on to play with it. When I when I eventually got a floppy drive, it was convenient, quicker, but still a lot of wait time. The floppy drive was quicker than my typing, but no where near as fast as the 6502 microprocessor. A 6502 was also in the floppy drive, dedicated to controlling the read/write and file system...

One of the problems, is error detection, correction, and integrity of data. If there is an error, the operation needs to be repeated, or corrected. You have to check, or you have a useless mess, when something goes wrong. Costly too, if you don't catch an error early. Suppose you own a store, and plan to send out a promotional coupon, 10% off everything in the store. There is an error, and the coupon sent out, is for 100% off, oops... Most people would realize it's a mistake, and not waste time. But, there are going to be some hoping to take advantage of it, even expect the store honor the mistake.

While calculating global warming, nobody is really going to notice an error of a few percent. Mostly, since there is nothing to compare to, and it's pseudo-predictive. The 'rubes'/marks will accept anything, as if scripture, and panic, jump from roof tops, hoard toilet paper, or whatever they do when faced with catastrophe.
08-10-2022 18:10
Into the NightProfile picture★★★★★
(19854)
HarveyH55 wrote:
'Quantum computer' reminds me a lot of 'fusion reactors'. Only a few years away... And fifty years later, still just right around the corner. We are likely to see all these amazing, laboratory 'breakthroughs', but nothing on a practical, or commercial scale. Feel sorry for those who shift their investment dollars in that direction, expecting to get filthy rich in a few years. We have just a 'proof-of-concept', but no clear sign that it's going beyond that anytime soon, or in our lifetime. A computer, isn't just a microprocessor. You have to be able to provide inputs, memory, instructions, and them means to display the results. The microprocessor might be incredibly fast, but not so important, if it spends a lot of idle time wait for data and instructions, or a storage device to read or write. The quantum microprocessor might be incredibly fast, but how long does it actually take to load and configure it, so you can run a program, read the results? My first computer didn't come with external/permanent storage. Had to enter programs line by line, every time I turned it on to play with it. When I when I eventually got a floppy drive, it was convenient, quicker, but still a lot of wait time. The floppy drive was quicker than my typing, but no where near as fast as the 6502 microprocessor. A 6502 was also in the floppy drive, dedicated to controlling the read/write and file system...


Here you touch on something rather important for Swan to realize.

The first purpose of a computer isn't to compute data. It's to communicate it. ANY computer is worthless without I/O devices. It is the I/O devices that really determine what that computer can really do. Any computer without I/O devices is just a brain in a jar.

One can think of a computer as essentially a telegraph device coupled with a sequencer like a simple washing machine timer, and a pocket calculator.

For the CPU itself, the circuit that separates the men from the boys is the north bridge, in other words, the interface to the memory. No computer can go faster than that interface no matter what it's clock speed is and no matter how big or how complex it's caching system is.

For the machine as a whole, no computer can get data in or out any faster than it's south bridge, or interface to I/O devices.


The Parrot Killer

Debunked in my sig. - tmiddles

Google keeps track of paranoid talk and i'm not on their list. I've been evaluated and certified. - keepit

nuclear powered ships do not require nuclear fuel. - Swan

While it is true that fossils do not burn it is also true that fossil fuels burn very well - Swan
Edited on 08-10-2022 18:11
08-10-2022 18:13
Into the NightProfile picture★★★★★
(19854)
HarveyH55 wrote:
One of the problems, is error detection, correction, and integrity of data. If there is an error, the operation needs to be repeated, or corrected. You have to check, or you have a useless mess, when something goes wrong. Costly too, if you don't catch an error early. Suppose you own a store, and plan to send out a promotional coupon, 10% off everything in the store. There is an error, and the coupon sent out, is for 100% off, oops... Most people would realize it's a mistake, and not waste time. But, there are going to be some hoping to take advantage of it, even expect the store honor the mistake.

While calculating global warming, nobody is really going to notice an error of a few percent. Mostly, since there is nothing to compare to, and it's pseudo-predictive. The 'rubes'/marks will accept anything, as if scripture, and panic, jump from roof tops, hoard toilet paper, or whatever they do when faced with catastrophe.


There is no data. There is nothing to correct to. It is not possible to measure the temperature of the Earth or the global atmospheric CO2 concentration.

In addition to this problem, you must also realize the no gas or vapor has the capability to warm the Earth. You cannot create energy out of nothing.


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HarveyH55 wrote:'Quantum computer' reminds me a lot of 'fusion reactors'.

There are similarities, but one huge difference. Quantum anything deals entirely with things you cannot see and can never verify, i.e. you have to take scheisters who are itching for your cash on their word. In this respect, quantum anything is like a cryptocurrency. You have to trust that these invisible things you are supposedly "receiving" are as valuable as they are claimed by the scheisters hawking them. This why Swan should be "investing" in invisible cryptocurrency "coins" that will only exist on his account summary printout. Swan should be speaking excitedly about how quantum computing will make his cryptocurrency moon 10,000,000X.

Meanwhile, fusion energy is not nvisible. You either produce energy or you don't. Governments are going through their own political shenanigans to get others to pay for the uber-expensive prototype reactor, and THAT is what is always what is just around the corner. In fact, you can tour the ITER reactor in France. They will gladly show you what has forever been just around the corner pending international agreement on funding ... and the moment all the powers reach agreement, fusion will be just around the corner!
08-10-2022 21:58
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IBdaMann wrote:
HarveyH55 wrote:'Quantum computer' reminds me a lot of 'fusion reactors'.

There are similarities, but one huge difference. Quantum anything deals entirely with things you cannot see and can never verify, i.e. you have to take scheisters who are itching for your cash on their word. In this respect, quantum anything is like a cryptocurrency. You have to trust that these invisible things you are supposedly "receiving" are as valuable as they are claimed by the scheisters hawking them. This why Swan should be "investing" in invisible cryptocurrency "coins" that will only exist on his account summary printout. Swan should be speaking excitedly about how quantum computing will make his cryptocurrency moon 10,000,000X.

Meanwhile, fusion energy is not nvisible. You either produce energy or you don't. Governments are going through their own political shenanigans to get others to pay for the uber-expensive prototype reactor, and THAT is what is always what is just around the corner. In fact, you can tour the ITER reactor in France. They will gladly show you what has forever been just around the corner pending international agreement on funding ... and the moment all the powers reach agreement, fusion will be just around the corner!


Crypto mining would be a great application for a quantum computer. Wouldn't doubt it will be a marketing scheme when Google rolls out a commercial version of their toy.

I've never read anything about a fusion reactor, that actually attempts to generate electricity from the reaction. They dump a lot of energy into the reactor to start the reaction, and control it with electromagnets. Of course, 90 or so seconds, probably isn't worth the effort or expense, to even make an attempt. Must admit that I don't have a lot of interest in fusion, but occasionally an article comes up in my usual reading. Not even sure how they plan on generating electricity from a plasma reaction. Boil water, like nuclear plants? Think I'd have to laugh, since we have simpler, cheap, an a hell of a lot safe means to create steam. Still plenty of coal in the ground...
09-10-2022 00:40
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Into the Night wrote:
HarveyH55 wrote:
'Quantum computer' reminds me a lot of 'fusion reactors'. Only a few years away... And fifty years later, still just right around the corner. We are likely to see all these amazing, laboratory 'breakthroughs', but nothing on a practical, or commercial scale. Feel sorry for those who shift their investment dollars in that direction, expecting to get filthy rich in a few years. We have just a 'proof-of-concept', but no clear sign that it's going beyond that anytime soon, or in our lifetime. A computer, isn't just a microprocessor. You have to be able to provide inputs, memory, instructions, and them means to display the results. The microprocessor might be incredibly fast, but not so important, if it spends a lot of idle time wait for data and instructions, or a storage device to read or write. The quantum microprocessor might be incredibly fast, but how long does it actually take to load and configure it, so you can run a program, read the results? My first computer didn't come with external/permanent storage. Had to enter programs line by line, every time I turned it on to play with it. When I when I eventually got a floppy drive, it was convenient, quicker, but still a lot of wait time. The floppy drive was quicker than my typing, but no where near as fast as the 6502 microprocessor. A 6502 was also in the floppy drive, dedicated to controlling the read/write and file system...


Here you touch on something rather important for Swan to realize.

The first purpose of a computer isn't to compute data. It's to communicate it. ANY computer is worthless without I/O devices. It is the I/O devices that really determine what that computer can really do. Any computer without I/O devices is just a brain in a jar.

One can think of a computer as essentially a telegraph device coupled with a sequencer like a simple washing machine timer, and a pocket calculator.

For the CPU itself, the circuit that separates the men from the boys is the north bridge, in other words, the interface to the memory. No computer can go faster than that interface no matter what it's clock speed is and no matter how big or how complex it's caching system is.

For the machine as a whole, no computer can get data in or out any faster than it's south bridge, or interface to I/O devices.


Totally wrong because a computer can be very effective without an internet connection. You are a little boy who actually believes that the purpose of a computer is to be part of the internet.

Can one edit photos without a connection? Yes
Can one write a book on a computer without an internet connection? Yes, however to do this the writer needs independent intelligence which you lack as you need help with literally everything.

Shit even games can be played without an internet connection, not that you will ever know


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HarveyH55 wrote:I've never read anything about a fusion reactor, that actually attempts to generate electricity from the reaction.

You can read about ITER at this URL, just don't forget that they aren't making progress because the many countries involved cannot agree on the funding to move forward. Nonetheless, they have already started the contruction. They have designs for a prototype (which is what ITER is) and those designs convinced many countries the science is sound and that the prototype would work, but we won't know until it is built whether the designs really work or whether this is just a king Ferdiand's gambit.



HarveyH55 wrote:They dump a lot of energy into the reactor to start the reaction, and control it with electromagnets.

No. The (alleged) benefit of a fusion reactor is that the fuel to run it is cheap and plentiful in the earth's crust. The amount of energy produced, however, is huge. So yes, all the energy generated is from fuel; it's just that the fuel is dirt cheap (did you see what I did there?) and creates a lot of energy. There's no magical attempt to "create more energy than is being used." A small amount of the energy produced is used to keep the reactor fusing.





The magnets are not for control, but to repel the plasma so that it doesn't touch anything. The plasma will get as hot as the sun, or hotter, and ANYTHING that it might touch is instant vapor. Fusion reactors are much safer than fission nuclear reactors in the sense that fusion cannot sustain a nuclear explosion. If there is any sort of issue with a fusion reactor, there will be no mushroom cloud, just a "pop" explosion from the pressure that was created by the magnets. The whole process simply ceases dead in its tracks because the moment the reactor stops producing energy, the reactor ceases to be able to continue fusing. The problem, however, is that there is a ball of matter that is so hot that it will "fall" into the earth, vaporizing dirt and rock until it is no longer hot enough to do so. I don't know how far it will melt into the earth and I hope that it would not reach the mantle or there would be an instant volcano.

09-10-2022 14:01
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IBdaMann wrote:
HarveyH55 wrote:I've never read anything about a fusion reactor, that actually attempts to generate electricity from the reaction.

You can read about ITER at this URL, just don't forget that they aren't making progress because the many countries involved cannot agree on the funding to move forward. Nonetheless, they have already started the contruction. They have designs for a prototype (which is what ITER is) and those designs convinced many countries the science is sound and that the prototype would work, but we won't know until it is built whether the designs really work or whether this is just a king Ferdiand's gambit.



HarveyH55 wrote:They dump a lot of energy into the reactor to start the reaction, and control it with electromagnets.

No. The (alleged) benefit of a fusion reactor is that the fuel to run it is cheap and plentiful in the earth's crust. The amount of energy produced, however, is huge. So yes, all the energy generated is from fuel; it's just that the fuel is dirt cheap (did you see what I did there?) and creates a lot of energy. There's no magical attempt to "create more energy than is being used." A small amount of the energy produced is used to keep the reactor fusing.





The magnets are not for control, but to repel the plasma so that it doesn't touch anything.
The plasma will get as hot as the sun, or hotter, and ANYTHING that it might touch is instant vapor. Fusion reactors are much safer than fission nuclear reactors in the sense that fusion cannot sustain a nuclear explosion. If there is any sort of issue with a fusion reactor, there will be no mushroom cloud, just a "pop" explosion from the pressure that was created by the magnets. The whole process simply ceases dead in its tracks because the moment the reactor stops producing energy, the reactor ceases to be able to continue fusing. The problem, however, is that there is a ball of matter that is so hot that it will "fall" into the earth, vaporizing dirt and rock until it is no longer hot enough to do so. I don't know how far it will melt into the earth and I hope that it would not reach the mantle or there would be an instant volcano.



The magnets are there to control the plasma so that it does not touch anything. So how can the magnets not be for control? Your brain is wired backwards, get treated

Schizzo


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09-10-2022 15:13
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Swan wrote:The magnets are there to control the plasma so that it does not touch anything. So how can the magnets not be for control? Your brain is wired backwards, get treated

Thank you for your special question.. It is special like you are.

The magnets don't control the plasma. The magnets don't control anything.

Think of an acrobatic team at the circus. Think of the swings. The swings don't control anything.although they are used for a purpose.

You get a smiley for participating in class.
09-10-2022 15:34
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IBdaMann wrote:
Swan wrote:The magnets are there to control the plasma so that it does not touch anything. So how can the magnets not be for control? Your brain is wired backwards, get treated

Thank you for your special question.. It is special like you are.

The magnets don't control the plasma. The magnets don't control anything.

Think of an acrobatic team at the circus. Think of the swings. The swings don't control anything.although they are used for a purpose.

You get a smiley for participating in class.


Actually, tokamaks use a magnetic field to confine and control a plasma in the shape of a torus. The charged particles follow a helicoidal trajectory according to the field created by controlled magnets, which thus set the position and shape of the plasma.

How do you control plasma energy?
Because plasmas are so hot, the only way to control them is using magnets. Electricity and magnetism are very closely related (see electromagnets). This means that moving charges, such as the electrons in a plasma, can behave as a magnet and be affected by a magnetic field.

So why do you keep attempting to frustrate yourself?

Take the meds now


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09-10-2022 15:43
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Swan wrote:Actually, tokamaks use a magnetic field to confine and control a plasma

Nope. Delete the word "control.". The magnets don't control anything or anyone any more than the walls of your house do.

.
09-10-2022 18:51
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IBdaMann wrote:
Swan wrote:Actually, tokamaks use a magnetic field to confine and control a plasma

Nope. Delete the word "control.". The magnets don't control anything or anyone any more than the walls of your house do.

.


LOL then tell us what controls the plasma in a tokomak?

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09-10-2022 19:21
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Swan wrote:
Into the Night wrote:
HarveyH55 wrote:
'Quantum computer' reminds me a lot of 'fusion reactors'. Only a few years away... And fifty years later, still just right around the corner. We are likely to see all these amazing, laboratory 'breakthroughs', but nothing on a practical, or commercial scale. Feel sorry for those who shift their investment dollars in that direction, expecting to get filthy rich in a few years. We have just a 'proof-of-concept', but no clear sign that it's going beyond that anytime soon, or in our lifetime. A computer, isn't just a microprocessor. You have to be able to provide inputs, memory, instructions, and them means to display the results. The microprocessor might be incredibly fast, but not so important, if it spends a lot of idle time wait for data and instructions, or a storage device to read or write. The quantum microprocessor might be incredibly fast, but how long does it actually take to load and configure it, so you can run a program, read the results? My first computer didn't come with external/permanent storage. Had to enter programs line by line, every time I turned it on to play with it. When I when I eventually got a floppy drive, it was convenient, quicker, but still a lot of wait time. The floppy drive was quicker than my typing, but no where near as fast as the 6502 microprocessor. A 6502 was also in the floppy drive, dedicated to controlling the read/write and file system...


Here you touch on something rather important for Swan to realize.

The first purpose of a computer isn't to compute data. It's to communicate it. ANY computer is worthless without I/O devices. It is the I/O devices that really determine what that computer can really do. Any computer without I/O devices is just a brain in a jar.

One can think of a computer as essentially a telegraph device coupled with a sequencer like a simple washing machine timer, and a pocket calculator.

For the CPU itself, the circuit that separates the men from the boys is the north bridge, in other words, the interface to the memory. No computer can go faster than that interface no matter what it's clock speed is and no matter how big or how complex it's caching system is.

For the machine as a whole, no computer can get data in or out any faster than it's south bridge, or interface to I/O devices.


Totally wrong because a computer can be very effective without an internet connection.

You are a little boy who actually believes that the purpose of a computer is to be part of the internet.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! You think the internet is the only form of I/O????????!? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!


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09-10-2022 19:23
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IBdaMann wrote:
HarveyH55 wrote:I've never read anything about a fusion reactor, that actually attempts to generate electricity from the reaction.

You can read about ITER at this URL, just don't forget that they aren't making progress because the many countries involved cannot agree on the funding to move forward. Nonetheless, they have already started the contruction. They have designs for a prototype (which is what ITER is) and those designs convinced many countries the science is sound and that the prototype would work, but we won't know until it is built whether the designs really work or whether this is just a king Ferdiand's gambit.



HarveyH55 wrote:They dump a lot of energy into the reactor to start the reaction, and control it with electromagnets.

No. The (alleged) benefit of a fusion reactor is that the fuel to run it is cheap and plentiful in the earth's crust. The amount of energy produced, however, is huge. So yes, all the energy generated is from fuel; it's just that the fuel is dirt cheap (did you see what I did there?) and creates a lot of energy. There's no magical attempt to "create more energy than is being used." A small amount of the energy produced is used to keep the reactor fusing.





The magnets are not for control, but to repel the plasma so that it doesn't touch anything. The plasma will get as hot as the sun, or hotter, and ANYTHING that it might touch is instant vapor. Fusion reactors are much safer than fission nuclear reactors in the sense that fusion cannot sustain a nuclear explosion. If there is any sort of issue with a fusion reactor, there will be no mushroom cloud, just a "pop" explosion from the pressure that was created by the magnets. The whole process simply ceases dead in its tracks because the moment the reactor stops producing energy, the reactor ceases to be able to continue fusing. The problem, however, is that there is a ball of matter that is so hot that it will "fall" into the earth, vaporizing dirt and rock until it is no longer hot enough to do so. I don't know how far it will melt into the earth and I hope that it would not reach the mantle or there would be an instant volcano.


Likely as soon as it his the water table there will be a steam explosion and that will pretty much be it.


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09-10-2022 19:26
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Swan wrote:
IBdaMann wrote:
Swan wrote:Actually, tokamaks use a magnetic field to confine and control a plasma

Nope. Delete the word "control.". The magnets don't control anything or anyone any more than the walls of your house do.

.


LOL then tell us what controls the plasma in a tokomak?

You may call your mommy for help

The fuel. RQAA


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09-10-2022 19:49
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Into the Night wrote:Likely as soon as it his the water table there will be a steam explosion and that will pretty much be it.

Yeah, I can't see any solution for the extreme temperature. Let's presume that the coolant is under solid enough containment that it cannot explode. Let's presume that the magnets work as advertised and prevent any contact with the plasma. The plasma will nonetheless radiate per Stefan-Boltzmann, at the absolute temperature to the fourth power. Correct me if I'm mistaken but it really doesn't matter what materials are within a half-mile of such radiation, temperatures higher than the center of the sun will vaporize it. I'm pretty certain that any nearby magnets will be the first to go, and then it's "adios muchachos."

[Note: This movie gets the "thermonuclear explosion" part wrong, which is strange because you know how concerned Hollywood is about technical accuracy]
09-10-2022 20:34
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Into the Night wrote:
Swan wrote:
Into the Night wrote:
HarveyH55 wrote:
'Quantum computer' reminds me a lot of 'fusion reactors'. Only a few years away... And fifty years later, still just right around the corner. We are likely to see all these amazing, laboratory 'breakthroughs', but nothing on a practical, or commercial scale. Feel sorry for those who shift their investment dollars in that direction, expecting to get filthy rich in a few years. We have just a 'proof-of-concept', but no clear sign that it's going beyond that anytime soon, or in our lifetime. A computer, isn't just a microprocessor. You have to be able to provide inputs, memory, instructions, and them means to display the results. The microprocessor might be incredibly fast, but not so important, if it spends a lot of idle time wait for data and instructions, or a storage device to read or write. The quantum microprocessor might be incredibly fast, but how long does it actually take to load and configure it, so you can run a program, read the results? My first computer didn't come with external/permanent storage. Had to enter programs line by line, every time I turned it on to play with it. When I when I eventually got a floppy drive, it was convenient, quicker, but still a lot of wait time. The floppy drive was quicker than my typing, but no where near as fast as the 6502 microprocessor. A 6502 was also in the floppy drive, dedicated to controlling the read/write and file system...


Here you touch on something rather important for Swan to realize.

The first purpose of a computer isn't to compute data. It's to communicate it. ANY computer is worthless without I/O devices. It is the I/O devices that really determine what that computer can really do. Any computer without I/O devices is just a brain in a jar.

One can think of a computer as essentially a telegraph device coupled with a sequencer like a simple washing machine timer, and a pocket calculator.

For the CPU itself, the circuit that separates the men from the boys is the north bridge, in other words, the interface to the memory. No computer can go faster than that interface no matter what it's clock speed is and no matter how big or how complex it's caching system is.

For the machine as a whole, no computer can get data in or out any faster than it's south bridge, or interface to I/O devices.


Totally wrong because a computer can be very effective without an internet connection.

You are a little boy who actually believes that the purpose of a computer is to be part of the internet.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! You think the internet is the only form of I/O????????!? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!


LOL I think all the time, you should try it sometime. The purpose of a computer is to compute data faster than a clown like you can do on her fingers. You do know that billions to trillions are computed before any type of communication can be useful, so the purpose of computers is to compile data and solve problems.


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09-10-2022 20:39
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IBdaMann wrote:
Into the Night wrote:Likely as soon as it his the water table there will be a steam explosion and that will pretty much be it.

Yeah, I can't see any solution for the extreme temperature. Let's presume that the coolant is under solid enough containment that it cannot explode. Let's presume that the magnets work as advertised and prevent any contact with the plasma. The plasma will nonetheless radiate per Stefan-Boltzmann, at the absolute temperature to the fourth power. Correct me if I'm mistaken but it really doesn't matter what materials are within a half-mile of such radiation, temperatures higher than the center of the sun will vaporize it. I'm pretty certain that any nearby magnets will be the first to go, and then it's "adios muchachos."

[Note: This movie gets the "thermonuclear explosion" part wrong, which is strange because you know how concerned Hollywood is about technical accuracy]


LOL then tell us what controls the plasma in a tokomak if not magnetic containment?

You give up little girl

You may call your mommy for help

PS Do you always start a distracting conversation with yourself when you get humiliated, which is always?


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09-10-2022 22:21
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IBdaMann wrote:
Into the Night wrote:Likely as soon as it his the water table there will be a steam explosion and that will pretty much be it.

Yeah, I can't see any solution for the extreme temperature. Let's presume that the coolant is under solid enough containment that it cannot explode. Let's presume that the magnets work as advertised and prevent any contact with the plasma. The plasma will nonetheless radiate per Stefan-Boltzmann, at the absolute temperature to the fourth power. Correct me if I'm mistaken but it really doesn't matter what materials are within a half-mile of such radiation, temperatures higher than the center of the sun will vaporize it. I'm pretty certain that any nearby magnets will be the first to go, and then it's "adios muchachos."

[Note: This movie gets the "thermonuclear explosion" part wrong, which is strange because you know how concerned Hollywood is about technical accuracy]

The idea is to use a pulse width modulation for the fusion so temperatures don't get so extreme. Each pulse will be hot, of course, but the duty cycle is limited to prevent surrounding structures from heating like they would under continuous fusion.

These prototype reactors are essentially designed to harness the power of just one pulse.

Imagine, if you will, a very tiny thermonuclear bomb going off inside the chamber, and harnessing the heat from it.

Now...failure modes.

Failure to fuse the fuel will simply result in fusion stopping.

Failure to deliver the fuel will simply result in fusion stopping.

Failure of the magnets will result in a reactor vessel breach and fusion stops. Anything that melts from this will be hot enough to reach the water table and a steam explosion results. It's the same reason that the China syndrome can't happen with fission. A real life event like this occurred with both Chernobyl and again with Fukushima reactor No. 2. Both stopped at the water table with steam explosions.

Failure of the fuel regulation (similar to a runaway diesel engine) would result in the fuel delivery system being destroyed (by melting, along with the reactor), and fusion would stop. Again, probably ending in a steam explosion.

Loss of electrical power or any fault in controlling circuitry would simply result in fusion stopping. No fuel. The magnets would fail too, of course, and reactor vessel damage would result, again ending with a steam explosion.

So while it sucks to be a worker in the plant that is involved with such failures (they would likely die as a result of such an industrial accident), the surrounding countryside remains quite safe.

Of course, Hollywood would present it as a thermonuclear detonation, similar to one of our nuclear missiles, but on a grander scale. Well, that's Hollywood for you, a land of the least realistic gun fights, knife fights, sword fights, space travel, disasters, airplane crashes, car crashes, or battle scene.


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