Precipitation
| Precipitation06-10-2015 22:38 | |
IBdaMann ★★★★★(14389) |
Does Global Warming cause precipitation to increase or decrease? I don't think i can [define it]. I just kind of get a feel for the phrase. - keepit A Spaghetti strainer with the faucet running, retains water- tmiddles Clouds don't trap heat. Clouds block cold. - Spongy Iris Printing dollars to pay debt doesn't increase the number of dollars. - keepit If Venus were a black body it would have a much much lower temperature than what we found there.- tmiddles Ah the "Valid Data" myth of ITN/IBD. - tmiddles Ceist - I couldn't agree with you more. But when money and religion are involved, and there are people who value them above all else, then the lies begin. - trafn You are completely misunderstanding their use of the word "accumulation"! - Climate Scientist. The Stefan-Boltzman equation doesn't come up with the correct temperature if greenhouse gases are not considered - Hank :*sigh* Not the "raw data" crap. - Leafsdude IB STILL hasn't explained what Planck's Law means. Just more hand waving that it applies to everything and more asserting that the greenhouse effect 'violates' it.- Ceist |
| 08-10-2015 06:43 | |
Earthling ★☆☆☆☆(107) |
IBdaMann wrote:Yes, but what is "Global Warming" and why do you treat it as a proper noun? |
| 08-10-2015 07:02 | |
trafn ★★★☆☆(779) |
Fantastic question IBdaMann. Actually, global warming, AGW, man-made climate change, or any other names you prefer to call it, causes an overall increase in the overall amount of water vapor that's in the atmosphere. Given how this vapor is distributed around the globe, and the variation in both daily and seasonal upper atmosphere steering patterns, the given amount of water vapor present at any particular location can vary dramatically from day to day, and season to season. Thus we will see some areas with increased precipitation and others with less precipitation, with these patterns sometimes being within the normal ranges for a particular region, and sometimes outside of the normal ranges of that region. The overall net effect, however, is not measured by precipitation, but by the fact that there is a continued ongoing increase in the net water vapor present in the atmosphere. Does that answer your question? |
| 08-10-2015 22:04 | |
| IBdaMann★★★★★ (14389) |
trafn wrote: Fantastic question IBdaMann. Why, thank you. You gave me an excellent answer. trafn wrote: Thus we will see some areas with increased precipitation and others with less precipitation, with these patterns sometimes being within the normal ranges for a particular region, and sometimes outside of the normal ranges of that region. tafn, I won't ask you for any science on this and I won't ask you for any supporting links. I will take you on your word that this is what happens as a result of Global Warming. So it would stand to reason that Global Cooling would have the exact opposite effect, i.e. thus we will see some areas with decreased precipitation and others with more precipitation, with these patterns sometimes being outside the normal ranges for a particular region, and sometimes within normal ranges of that region. ...and wouldn't you know it, that's what we're experiencing today! Flooding in the US' southeast. Drought in California. Everything that you explain we should expect from Global Cooling is happening before us. You seem to be onto something. Again, excellent answer! I don't think i can [define it]. I just kind of get a feel for the phrase. - keepit A Spaghetti strainer with the faucet running, retains water- tmiddles Clouds don't trap heat. Clouds block cold. - Spongy Iris Printing dollars to pay debt doesn't increase the number of dollars. - keepit If Venus were a black body it would have a much much lower temperature than what we found there.- tmiddles Ah the "Valid Data" myth of ITN/IBD. - tmiddles Ceist - I couldn't agree with you more. But when money and religion are involved, and there are people who value them above all else, then the lies begin. - trafn You are completely misunderstanding their use of the word "accumulation"! - Climate Scientist. The Stefan-Boltzman equation doesn't come up with the correct temperature if greenhouse gases are not considered - Hank :*sigh* Not the "raw data" crap. - Leafsdude IB STILL hasn't explained what Planck's Law means. Just more hand waving that it applies to everything and more asserting that the greenhouse effect 'violates' it.- Ceist |
| 08-10-2015 22:24 | |
| trafn★★★☆☆ (779) |
Hi IBdaMann, Yes, you can see paradoxical events in many natural phenomena. Take for example fire where combustion of a carbohydrate (wood, paper, etc.) is involved. Few people realize it, but the two main by-products of that kind of reaction are Carbon and Water. Seems a bit paradoxical as we use water to put these kind of fires out. Yet, the existence of a particular paradoxical event does not prove or disprove the actual direction in which you are going. To do that, you must look at the long-term trend. Data to establish that the current trend is one of global warming has been collected, analyzed and confirmed already by (and this is your characterization, not mine) the elitist, Marxist, warmongering, social-communist, big-brother powers that be. Personally, I like to just call them scientists, and to tell the truth, I agree with them. It's warming, not cooling. The 2015 M2C2 (Global 9/11) Denialist Troll Awards 1st Place - Jep Branner - Our Stupid Administrator! 2nd Place - IBdaMann - Science IS cherry picking! 3rd Place - Into the Night - Mr. Nonsense numbers! 4th Place - Tim the plumber - The Drivel Queen! |
| 09-10-2015 02:32 | |
| IBdaMann★★★★★ (14389) |
trafn wrote: Yet, the existence of a particular paradoxical event does not prove or disprove the actual direction in which you are going. So, you acknowledge that there is no reason to assert Global Warming, yes? trafn wrote: To do that, you must look at the long-term trend. Not at all. I'm going to give you a little science lesson. If I set a beaker of cold water over a small flame such that it very slowly approaches a boiling temperature, and then I turn off the source of heat, the water starts to cool instantaneously, regardless of whatever else might have been happening previously. I don't know how your religion looks at it but science determines that if the temperature is decreasing then it is cooling, and nothing about any past temperature changes matter. In my example of the beaker of water, I take it that your congregation would say that the water is not cooling because you must take into account the previous duration of temperature increase, but science doesn't work that way. Trends have no bearing on, and do not change, what is happening right now. So, going back to what you were saying about precipitation, you say that we can observing weather events, some of which are wetter than normal, some of which are dryer than normal, some of which are within normal occurrences, and we can determine that Global Cooling is occurring, yes? I don't think i can [define it]. I just kind of get a feel for the phrase. - keepit A Spaghetti strainer with the faucet running, retains water- tmiddles Clouds don't trap heat. Clouds block cold. - Spongy Iris Printing dollars to pay debt doesn't increase the number of dollars. - keepit If Venus were a black body it would have a much much lower temperature than what we found there.- tmiddles Ah the "Valid Data" myth of ITN/IBD. - tmiddles Ceist - I couldn't agree with you more. But when money and religion are involved, and there are people who value them above all else, then the lies begin. - trafn You are completely misunderstanding their use of the word "accumulation"! - Climate Scientist. The Stefan-Boltzman equation doesn't come up with the correct temperature if greenhouse gases are not considered - Hank :*sigh* Not the "raw data" crap. - Leafsdude IB STILL hasn't explained what Planck's Law means. Just more hand waving that it applies to everything and more asserting that the greenhouse effect 'violates' it.- Ceist |
| 09-10-2015 20:20 | |
| trafn★★★☆☆ (779) |
(wow... talk about twisting science around!) NON-RESPONSE: please feel free to go sit in the corner! The 2015 M2C2 (Global 9/11) Denialist Troll Awards 1st Place - Jep Branner - Our Stupid Administrator! 2nd Place - IBdaMann - Science IS cherry picking! 3rd Place - Into the Night - Mr. Nonsense numbers! 4th Place - Tim the plumber - The Drivel Queen! |
| 09-10-2015 20:22 | |
| trafn★★★☆☆ (779) |
IBdaMann, might I suggest that if you want to ever fight for your country that you volunteer to become a science teacher in the land of your enemy. They'll never recover after you've filled their brains with your version of science. |
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