Pointless forums

Overit wrote:
I Googled climate change forums and this one was at the top of the heap. Now I know why, it's in constant use by two posters - Into the Night and Wake - using the platform as their very own intellectual sandpit, flinging words at each other like particles of sand, hoping some of it will stick. Unfortunately, every other forum I've looked at has similar characters. All trying to prove how incredibly brilliant they are.

I was looking for a forum to discuss the following:

I live in Australia. The land of drought, flood and fire. We are currently experiencing record breaking extreme weather events with frightening regularity. It's summer here now in sunny Queensland and we've been living through 36 consecutive days of temperatures over 30 degrees (Celsius), yesterday it was 48 in the sun. A couple of weeks ago Tasmania burned from top to bottom. Most of the fires were started by dry lightning. In 2018 we were fundraising across the nation to help our farmers through one of the worst droughts in history. Some of these farmers are now dealing with a 1 in 500 year flooding event. Winter 2018 we had snow in areas that have never recorded snow before. The list goes on and on.

Whether Climate Change is real or not, our fault or not, to my mind, doesn't really matter. The individual that is actively downsizing their ecological footprint is making the world a better place for future generations, regardless of what their belief system may be. Those that continue to live their lives consuming resources indefinitely are NOT making the world a better place for future generations. Personally, as I have no family to follow after me, I don't care about the continuation of the human race. However I'm sure you breeders would prefer your descendants live in an environment that is, at the very least, as beautiful as the one we live in today. What's the down side of acting as though Climate Change is a real and dangerous threat to our way of life? Nothing. What happens if the naysayers are wrong and we're not smart enough to fix the error of our ways in time? I hate to imagine. Seems fairly straight forward to me.

There we go you two (Into the Night and Wake), have at it. I won't be back.

Overit wrote:
I Googled climate change forums and this one was at the top of the heap. Now I know why, it's in constant use by two posters - Into the Night and Wake - using the platform as their very own intellectual sandpit, flinging words at each other like particles of sand, hoping some of it will stick. Unfortunately, every other forum I've looked at has similar characters. All trying to prove how incredibly brilliant they are.

Overit wrote:
I was looking for a forum to discuss the following:

I live in Australia. The land of drought, flood and fire. We are currently experiencing record breaking extreme weather events with frightening regularity.

Overit wrote:
It's summer here now in sunny Queensland and we've been living through 36 consecutive days of temperatures over 30 degrees (Celsius), yesterday it was 48 in the sun.

Overit wrote:
A couple of weeks ago Tasmania burned from top to bottom.

Overit wrote:
Most of the fires were started by dry lightning.

Overit wrote:
In 2018 we were fundraising across the nation to help our farmers through one of the worst droughts in history.

Overit wrote:
Some of these farmers are now dealing with a 1 in 500 year flooding event.

Overit wrote:
Winter 2018 we had snow in areas that have never recorded snow before.

Overit wrote:
The list goes on and on.

Overit wrote:
Whether Climate Change is real or not, our fault or not, to my mind, doesn't really matter. The individual that is actively downsizing their ecological footprint is making the world a better place for future generations, regardless of what their belief system may be.

Overit wrote:
Those that continue to live their lives consuming resources indefinitely are NOT making the world a better place for future generations.

Overit wrote:
Personally, as I have no family to follow after me, I don't care about the continuation of the human race. However I'm sure you breeders would prefer your descendants live in an environment that is, at the very least, as beautiful as the one we live in today.

Overit wrote:
What's the down side of acting as though Climate Change is a real and dangerous threat to our way of life? Nothing. What happens if the naysayers are wrong and we're not smart enough to fix the error of our ways in time? I hate to imagine. Seems fairly straight forward to me.

Overit wrote:
There we go you two (Into the Night and Wake), have at it. I won't be back.

Wake wrote:

Overit wrote:
I Googled climate change forums and this one was at the top of the heap. Now I know why, it's in constant use by two posters - Into the Night and Wake - using the platform as their very own intellectual sandpit, flinging words at each other like particles of sand, hoping some of it will stick. Unfortunately, every other forum I've looked at has similar characters. All trying to prove how incredibly brilliant they are.

I was looking for a forum to discuss the following:

I live in Australia. The land of drought, flood and fire. We are currently experiencing record breaking extreme weather events with frightening regularity. It's summer here now in sunny Queensland and we've been living through 36 consecutive days of temperatures over 30 degrees (Celsius), yesterday it was 48 in the sun. A couple of weeks ago Tasmania burned from top to bottom. Most of the fires were started by dry lightning. In 2018 we were fundraising across the nation to help our farmers through one of the worst droughts in history. Some of these farmers are now dealing with a 1 in 500 year flooding event. Winter 2018 we had snow in areas that have never recorded snow before. The list goes on and on.

Whether Climate Change is real or not, our fault or not, to my mind, doesn't really matter. The individual that is actively downsizing their ecological footprint is making the world a better place for future generations, regardless of what their belief system may be. Those that continue to live their lives consuming resources indefinitely are NOT making the world a better place for future generations. Personally, as I have no family to follow after me, I don't care about the continuation of the human race. However I'm sure you breeders would prefer your descendants live in an environment that is, at the very least, as beautiful as the one we live in today. What's the down side of acting as though Climate Change is a real and dangerous threat to our way of life? Nothing. What happens if the naysayers are wrong and we're not smart enough to fix the error of our ways in time? I hate to imagine. Seems fairly straight forward to me.

There we go you two (Into the Night and Wake), have at it. I won't be back.

I do find it strange that you didn't dig deeper and discover what was at the bottom of our arguments.

Wake wrote:
I have all of the science behind me

Wake wrote:
and now Nightmare is reverting to religion since he hasn't any science to back his ignorance.

Wake wrote:
Now in FACT we are both on the same side,

Wake wrote:
but I am using real science

Wake wrote:
whereas he is using humbuggery

Wake wrote:
and actually makes the most anti-science statements on the face of the Earth.

Wake wrote:
You could get better answers from a tribal medicine man in the wilds of Africa.

Wake wrote:
I can only conclude that you were looking for a forum to rant on about the dangers of the great global meltdown and are facing a forum almost entirely against you and with the science and evidence to back it up.

Wake wrote:
The people who come to these forums to tell us about how we should all fear Man-Made Climate Change are those people who have gotten all of their information from an article in Ladies Home Journal and are adamantly going to protect us with their vastly superior scientific knowledge.

Wake wrote:
So indeed, you needn't return because you'd be shot down in one second.

Overit wrote:
I Googled climate change forums and this one was at the top of the heap. Now I know why, it's in constant use by two posters - Into the Night and Wake - using the platform as their very own intellectual sandpit, flinging words at each other like particles of sand, hoping some of it will stick. Unfortunately, every other forum I've looked at has similar characters. All trying to prove how incredibly brilliant they are.

Overit wrote:
I was looking for a forum to discuss the following:

I live in Australia. The land of drought, flood and fire.

Overit wrote:
We are currently experiencing record breaking extreme weather events with frightening regularity. It's summer here now in sunny Queensland and we've been living through 36 consecutive days of temperatures over 30 degrees (Celsius), yesterday it was 48 in the sun. A couple of weeks ago Tasmania burned from top to bottom. Most of the fires were started by dry lightning. In 2018 we were fundraising across the nation to help our farmers through one of the worst droughts in history. Some of these farmers are now dealing with a 1 in 500 year flooding event. Winter 2018 we had snow in areas that have never recorded snow before. The list goes on and on.

Overit wrote:
Whether Climate Change is real or not, our fault or not, to my mind, doesn't really matter. The individual that is actively downsizing their ecological footprint is making the world a better place for future generations, regardless of what their belief system may be. Those that continue to live their lives consuming resources indefinitely are NOT making the world a better place for future generations. Personally, as I have no family to follow after me, I don't care about the continuation of the human race. However I'm sure you breeders would prefer your descendants live in an environment that is, at the very least, as beautiful as the one we live in today.

Overit wrote:
What's the down side of acting as though Climate Change is a real and dangerous threat to our way of life? Nothing.

Overit wrote:
What happens if the naysayers are wrong and we're not smart enough to fix the error of our ways in time? I hate to imagine. Seems fairly straight forward to me.

Overit wrote:
There we go you two (Into the Night and Wake), have at it. I won't be back.

Wake wrote:
I do find it strange that you didn't dig deeper and discover what was at the bottom of our arguments.

Wake wrote:
I have all of the science behind me

Wake wrote:
and now Nightmare is reverting to religion since he hasn't any science to back his ignorance.

Wake wrote:
Now in FACT we are both on the same side,

Wake wrote:
but I am using real science whereas he is using humbuggery and actually makes the most anti-science statements on the face of the Earth.

Wake wrote:
You could get better answers from a tribal medicine man in the wilds of Africa.

Wake wrote:
I can only conclude that you were looking for a forum to rant on about the dangers of the great global meltdown and are facing a forum almost entirely against you and with the science and evidence to back it up.

Wake wrote:
The people who come to these forums to tell us about how we should all fear Man-Made Climate Change are those people who have gotten all of their information from an article in Ladies Home Journal and are adamantly going to protect us with their vastly superior scientific knowledge.

Wake wrote:
So indeed, you needn't return because you'd be shot down in one second.

Overit wrote:
I Googled climate change forums and this one was at the top of the heap. Now I know why, it's in constant use by two posters - Into the Night and Wake - using the platform as their very own intellectual sandpit, flinging words at each other like particles of sand, hoping some of it will stick. Unfortunately, every other forum I've looked at has similar characters. All trying to prove how incredibly brilliant they are.

I was looking for a forum to discuss the following:

I live in Australia. The land of drought, flood and fire. We are currently experiencing record breaking extreme weather events with frightening regularity. It's summer here now in sunny Queensland and we've been living through 36 consecutive days of temperatures over 30 degrees (Celsius), yesterday it was 48 in the sun. A couple of weeks ago Tasmania burned from top to bottom. Most of the fires were started by dry lightning. In 2018 we were fundraising across the nation to help our farmers through one of the worst droughts in history. Some of these farmers are now dealing with a 1 in 500 year flooding event. Winter 2018 we had snow in areas that have never recorded snow before. The list goes on and on.

Whether Climate Change is real or not, our fault or not, to my mind, doesn't really matter. The individual that is actively downsizing their ecological footprint is making the world a better place for future generations, regardless of what their belief system may be. Those that continue to live their lives consuming resources indefinitely are NOT making the world a better place for future generations. Personally, as I have no family to follow after me, I don't care about the continuation of the human race. However I'm sure you breeders would prefer your descendants live in an environment that is, at the very least, as beautiful as the one we live in today. What's the down side of acting as though Climate Change is a real and dangerous threat to our way of life? Nothing. What happens if the naysayers are wrong and we're not smart enough to fix the error of our ways in time? I hate to imagine. Seems fairly straight forward to me.

There we go you two (Into the Night and Wake), have at it. I won't be back.

James___ wrote:

Overit wrote:
I Googled climate change forums and this one was at the top of the heap. Now I know why, it's in constant use by two posters - Into the Night and Wake - using the platform as their very own intellectual sandpit, flinging words at each other like particles of sand, hoping some of it will stick. Unfortunately, every other forum I've looked at has similar characters. All trying to prove how incredibly brilliant they are.

I was looking for a forum to discuss the following:

I live in Australia. The land of drought, flood and fire. We are currently experiencing record breaking extreme weather events with frightening regularity. It's summer here now in sunny Queensland and we've been living through 36 consecutive days of temperatures over 30 degrees (Celsius), yesterday it was 48 in the sun. A couple of weeks ago Tasmania burned from top to bottom. Most of the fires were started by dry lightning. In 2018 we were fundraising across the nation to help our farmers through one of the worst droughts in history. Some of these farmers are now dealing with a 1 in 500 year flooding event. Winter 2018 we had snow in areas that have never recorded snow before. The list goes on and on.

Whether Climate Change is real or not, our fault or not, to my mind, doesn't really matter. The individual that is actively downsizing their ecological footprint is making the world a better place for future generations, regardless of what their belief system may be. Those that continue to live their lives consuming resources indefinitely are NOT making the world a better place for future generations. Personally, as I have no family to follow after me, I don't care about the continuation of the human race. However I'm sure you breeders would prefer your descendants live in an environment that is, at the very least, as beautiful as the one we live in today. What's the down side of acting as though Climate Change is a real and dangerous threat to our way of life? Nothing. What happens if the naysayers are wrong and we're not smart enough to fix the error of our ways in time? I hate to imagine. Seems fairly straight forward to me.

There we go you two (Into the Night and Wake), have at it. I won't be back.

I think I could like living in Australia. What you don't understand is that Americans have a tendency to be introverted. I read on a European web page where one country said that Americans are good when there's a catastrophe but care little to minimize them.
With climate change, a lot of it might be natural. Some information I saw suggested that the Pacific is warming where El Ninos form and the heat is flowing into the Indian Ocean.
The hole over Antarctica can also cause wind patterns to change.
This is something that would need to be considered. Also heat is being released from beneath the glaciers on Antarctica.
It might be possible to limit the impact of climate change. I've been posting one link online where most of the heat associated with warming is in the oceans.
Even if climate change is natural it won't matter to the people in here. They're paper tigers. That means that their teeth and claws are in their own imaginations.
I used to post in here but have more productive pursuits. I thought you might find the link interesting. With me, I don't think the oceans became that efficient at absorbing excess heat in our atmosphere starting in 1998. Nothing in science changes like that without something obvious happening.
http://oceanscientists.org/index.php/topics/ocean-warming

Wake wrote:

James___ wrote:

Overit wrote:
I Googled climate change forums and this one was at the top of the heap. Now I know why, it's in constant use by two posters - Into the Night and Wake - using the platform as their very own intellectual sandpit, flinging words at each other like particles of sand, hoping some of it will stick. Unfortunately, every other forum I've looked at has similar characters. All trying to prove how incredibly brilliant they are.

I was looking for a forum to discuss the following:

I live in Australia. The land of drought, flood and fire. We are currently experiencing record breaking extreme weather events with frightening regularity. It's summer here now in sunny Queensland and we've been living through 36 consecutive days of temperatures over 30 degrees (Celsius), yesterday it was 48 in the sun. A couple of weeks ago Tasmania burned from top to bottom. Most of the fires were started by dry lightning. In 2018 we were fundraising across the nation to help our farmers through one of the worst droughts in history. Some of these farmers are now dealing with a 1 in 500 year flooding event. Winter 2018 we had snow in areas that have never recorded snow before. The list goes on and on.

Whether Climate Change is real or not, our fault or not, to my mind, doesn't really matter. The individual that is actively downsizing their ecological footprint is making the world a better place for future generations, regardless of what their belief system may be. Those that continue to live their lives consuming resources indefinitely are NOT making the world a better place for future generations. Personally, as I have no family to follow after me, I don't care about the continuation of the human race. However I'm sure you breeders would prefer your descendants live in an environment that is, at the very least, as beautiful as the one we live in today. What's the down side of acting as though Climate Change is a real and dangerous threat to our way of life? Nothing. What happens if the naysayers are wrong and we're not smart enough to fix the error of our ways in time? I hate to imagine. Seems fairly straight forward to me.

There we go you two (Into the Night and Wake), have at it. I won't be back.

I think I could like living in Australia. What you don't understand is that Americans have a tendency to be introverted. I read on a European web page where one country said that Americans are good when there's a catastrophe but care little to minimize them.
With climate change, a lot of it might be natural. Some information I saw suggested that the Pacific is warming where El Ninos form and the heat is flowing into the Indian Ocean.
The hole over Antarctica can also cause wind patterns to change.
This is something that would need to be considered. Also heat is being released from beneath the glaciers on Antarctica.
It might be possible to limit the impact of climate change. I've been posting one link online where most of the heat associated with warming is in the oceans.
Even if climate change is natural it won't matter to the people in here. They're paper tigers. That means that their teeth and claws are in their own imaginations.
I used to post in here but have more productive pursuits. I thought you might find the link interesting. With me, I don't think the oceans became that efficient at absorbing excess heat in our atmosphere starting in 1998. Nothing in science changes like that without something obvious happening.
http://oceanscientists.org/index.php/topics/ocean-warming

I think that you would be wise to watch videos of Tony Heller. He is not a scientist. He is a reporter. That means that he has the ability to chase down and report the recorded facts and they are pretty ugly in regards to the so-called Global Warming.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RgxgkRmsF2g

James___ wrote:

Wake wrote:

James___ wrote:

Overit wrote:
I Googled climate change forums and this one was at the top of the heap. Now I know why, it's in constant use by two posters - Into the Night and Wake - using the platform as their very own intellectual sandpit, flinging words at each other like particles of sand, hoping some of it will stick. Unfortunately, every other forum I've looked at has similar characters. All trying to prove how incredibly brilliant they are.

I was looking for a forum to discuss the following:

I live in Australia. The land of drought, flood and fire. We are currently experiencing record breaking extreme weather events with frightening regularity. It's summer here now in sunny Queensland and we've been living through 36 consecutive days of temperatures over 30 degrees (Celsius), yesterday it was 48 in the sun. A couple of weeks ago Tasmania burned from top to bottom. Most of the fires were started by dry lightning. In 2018 we were fundraising across the nation to help our farmers through one of the worst droughts in history. Some of these farmers are now dealing with a 1 in 500 year flooding event. Winter 2018 we had snow in areas that have never recorded snow before. The list goes on and on.

Whether Climate Change is real or not, our fault or not, to my mind, doesn't really matter. The individual that is actively downsizing their ecological footprint is making the world a better place for future generations, regardless of what their belief system may be. Those that continue to live their lives consuming resources indefinitely are NOT making the world a better place for future generations. Personally, as I have no family to follow after me, I don't care about the continuation of the human race. However I'm sure you breeders would prefer your descendants live in an environment that is, at the very least, as beautiful as the one we live in today. What's the down side of acting as though Climate Change is a real and dangerous threat to our way of life? Nothing. What happens if the naysayers are wrong and we're not smart enough to fix the error of our ways in time? I hate to imagine. Seems fairly straight forward to me.

There we go you two (Into the Night and Wake), have at it. I won't be back.

I think I could like living in Australia. What you don't understand is that Americans have a tendency to be introverted. I read on a European web page where one country said that Americans are good when there's a catastrophe but care little to minimize them.
With climate change, a lot of it might be natural. Some information I saw suggested that the Pacific is warming where El Ninos form and the heat is flowing into the Indian Ocean.
The hole over Antarctica can also cause wind patterns to change.
This is something that would need to be considered. Also heat is being released from beneath the glaciers on Antarctica.
It might be possible to limit the impact of climate change. I've been posting one link online where most of the heat associated with warming is in the oceans.
Even if climate change is natural it won't matter to the people in here. They're paper tigers. That means that their teeth and claws are in their own imaginations.
I used to post in here but have more productive pursuits. I thought you might find the link interesting. With me, I don't think the oceans became that efficient at absorbing excess heat in our atmosphere starting in 1998. Nothing in science changes like that without something obvious happening.
http://oceanscientists.org/index.php/topics/ocean-warming

I think that you would be wise to watch videos of Tony Heller. He is not a scientist. He is a reporter. That means that he has the ability to chase down and report the recorded facts and they are pretty ugly in regards to the so-called Global Warming.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RgxgkRmsF2g

This is an unhealthy obsession of yours wake. I think most people have accepted that the Little Ice Age happened. Kind of hard to ignore what was written when newspapers and historians both claimed it was cold.
Is this picture of George Washington crossing the Delaware River accurate?
https://goo.gl/images/eXEAjq

Wake wrote:

James___ wrote:

Wake wrote:

James___ wrote:

Overit wrote:
I Googled climate change forums and this one was at the top of the heap. Now I know why, it's in constant use by two posters - Into the Night and Wake - using the platform as their very own intellectual sandpit, flinging words at each other like particles of sand, hoping some of it will stick. Unfortunately, every other forum I've looked at has similar characters. All trying to prove how incredibly brilliant they are.

I was looking for a forum to discuss the following:

I live in Australia. The land of drought, flood and fire. We are currently experiencing record breaking extreme weather events with frightening regularity. It's summer here now in sunny Queensland and we've been living through 36 consecutive days of temperatures over 30 degrees (Celsius), yesterday it was 48 in the sun. A couple of weeks ago Tasmania burned from top to bottom. Most of the fires were started by dry lightning. In 2018 we were fundraising across the nation to help our farmers through one of the worst droughts in history. Some of these farmers are now dealing with a 1 in 500 year flooding event. Winter 2018 we had snow in areas that have never recorded snow before. The list goes on and on.

Whether Climate Change is real or not, our fault or not, to my mind, doesn't really matter. The individual that is actively downsizing their ecological footprint is making the world a better place for future generations, regardless of what their belief system may be. Those that continue to live their lives consuming resources indefinitely are NOT making the world a better place for future generations. Personally, as I have no family to follow after me, I don't care about the continuation of the human race. However I'm sure you breeders would prefer your descendants live in an environment that is, at the very least, as beautiful as the one we live in today. What's the down side of acting as though Climate Change is a real and dangerous threat to our way of life? Nothing. What happens if the naysayers are wrong and we're not smart enough to fix the error of our ways in time? I hate to imagine. Seems fairly straight forward to me.

There we go you two (Into the Night and Wake), have at it. I won't be back.

I think I could like living in Australia. What you don't understand is that Americans have a tendency to be introverted. I read on a European web page where one country said that Americans are good when there's a catastrophe but care little to minimize them.
With climate change, a lot of it might be natural. Some information I saw suggested that the Pacific is warming where El Ninos form and the heat is flowing into the Indian Ocean.
The hole over Antarctica can also cause wind patterns to change.
This is something that would need to be considered. Also heat is being released from beneath the glaciers on Antarctica.
It might be possible to limit the impact of climate change. I've been posting one link online where most of the heat associated with warming is in the oceans.
Even if climate change is natural it won't matter to the people in here. They're paper tigers. That means that their teeth and claws are in their own imaginations.
I used to post in here but have more productive pursuits. I thought you might find the link interesting. With me, I don't think the oceans became that efficient at absorbing excess heat in our atmosphere starting in 1998. Nothing in science changes like that without something obvious happening.
http://oceanscientists.org/index.php/topics/ocean-warming

I think that you would be wise to watch videos of Tony Heller. He is not a scientist. He is a reporter. That means that he has the ability to chase down and report the recorded facts and they are pretty ugly in regards to the so-called Global Warming.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RgxgkRmsF2g

This is an unhealthy obsession of yours wake. I think most people have accepted that the Little Ice Age happened. Kind of hard to ignore what was written when newspapers and historians both claimed it was cold.
Is this picture of George Washington crossing the Delaware River accurate?
https://goo.gl/images/eXEAjq

Tell me James - what does that painting, which was meant as a expression of patriotism, have to do with this discussion? Do you think that Michael Angelo's statue of David was accurate?

The temperature records shown by Heller cannot be criticized since they come from news stories of the time. That these same records are completely missing from the NASA charts is why the space division of NASA has asked them to totally eliminate the climate division.

Into the Night wrote:

Wake wrote:

James___ wrote:

Wake wrote:

James___ wrote:

Overit wrote:
I Googled climate change forums and this one was at the top of the heap. Now I know why, it's in constant use by two posters - Into the Night and Wake - using the platform as their very own intellectual sandpit, flinging words at each other like particles of sand, hoping some of it will stick. Unfortunately, every other forum I've looked at has similar characters. All trying to prove how incredibly brilliant they are.

I was looking for a forum to discuss the following:

I live in Australia. The land of drought, flood and fire. We are currently experiencing record breaking extreme weather events with frightening regularity. It's summer here now in sunny Queensland and we've been living through 36 consecutive days of temperatures over 30 degrees (Celsius), yesterday it was 48 in the sun. A couple of weeks ago Tasmania burned from top to bottom. Most of the fires were started by dry lightning. In 2018 we were fundraising across the nation to help our farmers through one of the worst droughts in history. Some of these farmers are now dealing with a 1 in 500 year flooding event. Winter 2018 we had snow in areas that have never recorded snow before. The list goes on and on.

Whether Climate Change is real or not, our fault or not, to my mind, doesn't really matter. The individual that is actively downsizing their ecological footprint is making the world a better place for future generations, regardless of what their belief system may be. Those that continue to live their lives consuming resources indefinitely are NOT making the world a better place for future generations. Personally, as I have no family to follow after me, I don't care about the continuation of the human race. However I'm sure you breeders would prefer your descendants live in an environment that is, at the very least, as beautiful as the one we live in today. What's the down side of acting as though Climate Change is a real and dangerous threat to our way of life? Nothing. What happens if the naysayers are wrong and we're not smart enough to fix the error of our ways in time? I hate to imagine. Seems fairly straight forward to me.

There we go you two (Into the Night and Wake), have at it. I won't be back.

I think I could like living in Australia. What you don't understand is that Americans have a tendency to be introverted. I read on a European web page where one country said that Americans are good when there's a catastrophe but care little to minimize them.
With climate change, a lot of it might be natural. Some information I saw suggested that the Pacific is warming where El Ninos form and the heat is flowing into the Indian Ocean.
The hole over Antarctica can also cause wind patterns to change.
This is something that would need to be considered. Also heat is being released from beneath the glaciers on Antarctica.
It might be possible to limit the impact of climate change. I've been posting one link online where most of the heat associated with warming is in the oceans.
Even if climate change is natural it won't matter to the people in here. They're paper tigers. That means that their teeth and claws are in their own imaginations.
I used to post in here but have more productive pursuits. I thought you might find the link interesting. With me, I don't think the oceans became that efficient at absorbing excess heat in our atmosphere starting in 1998. Nothing in science changes like that without something obvious happening.
http://oceanscientists.org/index.php/topics/ocean-warming

I think that you would be wise to watch videos of Tony Heller. He is not a scientist. He is a reporter. That means that he has the ability to chase down and report the recorded facts and they are pretty ugly in regards to the so-called Global Warming.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RgxgkRmsF2g

This is an unhealthy obsession of yours wake. I think most people have accepted that the Little Ice Age happened. Kind of hard to ignore what was written when newspapers and historians both claimed it was cold.
Is this picture of George Washington crossing the Delaware River accurate?
https://goo.gl/images/eXEAjq

Tell me James - what does that painting, which was meant as a expression of patriotism, have to do with this discussion? Do you think that Michael Angelo's statue of David was accurate?

The temperature records shown by Heller cannot be criticized since they come from news stories of the time. That these same records are completely missing from the NASA charts is why the space division of NASA has asked them to totally eliminate the climate division.

News stories are about local weather, Wake. They do not describe the temperature of the Earth. It is not possible to measure the temperature of the Earth.

James___ wrote: ITN, Have you seen a psychiatrist? They would most likely say that you and wake suffer from an obsessive compulsive disorder. You guys should get help.

James___ wrote:
@wake, Your post suggests that you are suffering from an obsessive compulsive disorder. I am quite surprised that you did not mention phallic or phallus. I am told that logic is based on phallus. If your phallic is significant then your phallus will be accepted by an inferior. Is this correct?
Myself, am impressed by your phallic but do not find it desirable. Maybe your phallus(y) can be enhanced?

Wake wrote:

James___ wrote: ITN, Have you seen a psychiatrist? They would most likely say that you and wake suffer from an obsessive compulsive disorder. You guys should get help.

James, you really ought to know what a psychiatric condition is before you start throwing that term around. Especially after thinking that picture of "Washington Crossing The Delaware" has some sort of relevance to our discussion.

Wake wrote:
Rather I am showing the orderliness of an engineer which profession I've followed for the better part of my life.

Wake wrote:
That orderliness has allowed me to assist one scientist to achieve a Nobel Prize and another to win 3 Emmy awards, which was also why I was trusted enough to design and build the communications boards on the Space Station.

Wake wrote:
Or would you prefer flying by feel as you do be more appropriate?

Wake wrote:
If you are interested in the science of climate change there is certainly plenty of knowledge out there and it is easily obtained.

Wake wrote:
I have passed along the fact that you can go to the YouTube or Bing videos from Tony Heller who is doing nothing more than reporting massive changes between the original records of temperature and the present renditions of exactly these same data and showing that they have been unscientifically modified for no other reason than to invent an entirely different climate.
Let's recall the emails from Dr. Michael Mann's assistant to him saying - 'since the data and the predictions do not correspond we have to change the data."

Wake wrote:
Dr. Roy Spencer who was the original manager of the NASA weather satellite program has shown the data from the founding of that program to the present day.
He can see no change in the temperatures from 1978 and today.

Wake wrote:
I have while he averages data on a 13 month rolling average I did so on a long term basis and like the charts of Tony Heller I show a cooling trend.

Wake wrote:
Dr. Spencer has an interesting theory he puts forth on his site: That the warming and cooling cycles have very little to do with solar and Milankovitch cycles (though they may be triggers) but rather nothing more than the longer term formation of clouds which, depending upon type, either cool or warm the Earth.

Wake wrote:
I have demonstrated earlier and theory that we see a particular pattern in the Ice Core research:
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Wake wrote:
Be aware that this chart is backwards from what you might conjecture. That is, it is from present back in time. With it you can see a slow decline in temperatures until it reaches a natural limit - that limit I theorize, is when all of the humidity is frozen out of the air in an ice age.

Wake wrote:
When this occurs all of the clouds disappear from the Earth.

Wake wrote:
This in turns allows the full power of the Sun to be absorbed by the surface of the Earth with only the normal intermediate absorptions and reflections - so instead of some 600 watts/m^2 we get 1000 or thereabouts.

Wake wrote:
This in turn causes a very rapid (in geological time) rapid recovery from the ice age to the end of an ice age. So while it requires some 100,000 years to drop into an ice age it only takes about 20,000 years to come out of it.

Wake wrote:
This heating shows that this is the approximate time it takes to get the average humidity from zero or near there to the 4% that is the world average presently.

Wake wrote:
Dr. Spencers conjectures

Wake wrote:
are for short term climate changes whereas mine is for long term changes

James___ wrote:
@wake, Your post suggests that you are suffering from an obsessive compulsive disorder. I am quite surprised that you did not mention phallic or phallus.

Wake wrote:

James___ wrote:
@wake, Your post suggests that you are suffering from an obsessive compulsive disorder. I am quite surprised that you did not mention phallic or phallus. I am told that logic is based on phallus. If your phallic is significant then your phallus will be accepted by an inferior. Is this correct?
Myself, am impressed by your phallic but do not find it desirable. Maybe your phallus(y) can be enhanced?

You can only be interpreted in one manner - you have absolutely no knowledge in science and are maintaining what is known as "an appeal to authority".

Wake wrote:
This is what is known as a follower hoping his leader knows what he is talking about.

Wake wrote:
Or in your case - is absolutely certain. That makes the "I told you so" all that much sweeter.

Overit wrote:
I Googled climate change forums and this one was at the top of the heap. Now I know why, it's in constant use by two posters - Into the Night and Wake - using the platform as their very own intellectual sandpit, flinging words at each other like particles of sand, hoping some of it will stick. Unfortunately, every other forum I've looked at has similar characters. All trying to prove how incredibly brilliant they are.

I was looking for a forum to discuss the following:

I live in Australia. The land of drought, flood and fire. We are currently experiencing record breaking extreme weather events with frightening regularity. It's summer here now in sunny Queensland and we've been living through 36 consecutive days of temperatures over 30 degrees (Celsius), yesterday it was 48 in the sun. A couple of weeks ago Tasmania burned from top to bottom. Most of the fires were started by dry lightning. In 2018 we were fundraising across the nation to help our farmers through one of the worst droughts in history. Some of these farmers are now dealing with a 1 in 500 year flooding event. Winter 2018 we had snow in areas that have never recorded snow before. The list goes on and on.

Whether Climate Change is real or not, our fault or not, to my mind, doesn't really matter. The individual that is actively downsizing their ecological footprint is making the world a better place for future generations, regardless of what their belief system may be. Those that continue to live their lives consuming resources indefinitely are NOT making the world a better place for future generations. Personally, as I have no family to follow after me, I don't care about the continuation of the human race. However I'm sure you breeders would prefer your descendants live in an environment that is, at the very least, as beautiful as the one we live in today. What's the down side of acting as though Climate Change is a real and dangerous threat to our way of life? Nothing. What happens if the naysayers are wrong and we're not smart enough to fix the error of our ways in time? I hate to imagine. Seems fairly straight forward to me.

There we go you two (Into the Night and Wake), have at it. I won't be back.

Tim the plumber wrote:

Overit wrote:
I Googled climate change forums and this one was at the top of the heap. Now I know why, it's in constant use by two posters - Into the Night and Wake - using the platform as their very own intellectual sandpit, flinging words at each other like particles of sand, hoping some of it will stick. Unfortunately, every other forum I've looked at has similar characters. All trying to prove how incredibly brilliant they are.

I was looking for a forum to discuss the following:

I live in Australia. The land of drought, flood and fire. We are currently experiencing record breaking extreme weather events with frightening regularity. It's summer here now in sunny Queensland and we've been living through 36 consecutive days of temperatures over 30 degrees (Celsius), yesterday it was 48 in the sun. A couple of weeks ago Tasmania burned from top to bottom. Most of the fires were started by dry lightning. In 2018 we were fundraising across the nation to help our farmers through one of the worst droughts in history. Some of these farmers are now dealing with a 1 in 500 year flooding event. Winter 2018 we had snow in areas that have never recorded snow before. The list goes on and on.

Whether Climate Change is real or not, our fault or not, to my mind, doesn't really matter. The individual that is actively downsizing their ecological footprint is making the world a better place for future generations, regardless of what their belief system may be. Those that continue to live their lives consuming resources indefinitely are NOT making the world a better place for future generations. Personally, as I have no family to follow after me, I don't care about the continuation of the human race. However I'm sure you breeders would prefer your descendants live in an environment that is, at the very least, as beautiful as the one we live in today. What's the down side of acting as though Climate Change is a real and dangerous threat to our way of life? Nothing. What happens if the naysayers are wrong and we're not smart enough to fix the error of our ways in time? I hate to imagine. Seems fairly straight forward to me.

There we go you two (Into the Night and Wake), have at it. I won't be back.

[color=navy]That the climate has changed is not challenged by any but the mad.

Tim the plumber wrote:
That there are more extreme events is not shown by any real study. Austrailia has always had such weather.

Tim the plumber wrote:
The down side of the fuss about CO2 is the use of food as fuel. 40% of US grain and a similar amount of EU food is diverted away from humans to this Biofuel crime against humanity.

Wake wrote:
Tim - there is a serious problem with this weather crap. You aren't old enough to have seen a lot of perfectly normal weather variations. So you think that things are changing simply because climate variations can be as long as 20 years and in some cases such as the little ice age - 150 years.

Wake wrote:
The satellite weather data shows NO changes since 1978 other than the normal chaotic weather changes that follow the "butterfly flapping his wings in Idaho causing a tornado in Omaha" sort of thing.

Wake wrote:
What's more the misreporting of the climate once looked into more deeply is staggering to say the very least.

Wake wrote:
While NASA and NOAA are claiming hottest years ever, in fact the data actually shows that the temperature has been falling over the last 20 years.'

Wake wrote:
This DOES follow the pattern trend showed in the Ice Core research.

Wake wrote:
You have an extremely interesting analysis of the results of closing down the energy supply and the effects that would have. I will be sure to keep that in mind the next time the global warming crap hits the air.
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