Paleobiogeochemistry, Anoxygenic Photosynthesis, and Banded Iron Formations14-04-2025 05:23 | |
sealover★★★★☆ (1794) |
Paleobiogeochemistry, Anoxygenic Photosynthesis, and Banded Iron Formations Topic is discussed on pages 5-6 of the "Terraforming: Is it possible" thread Back to the basics. How did photosynthesis even get started? Photosynthesis today allows plants to use solar energy to make food from scratch. Photosynthesis started because the plants needed a tiny bit of solar energy to help them eat the food that was already all around them. Hydrogen gas, an energy rich reductant, was plentiful. But there was no way to take advantage of it. There were very few terminal electron acceptors in the environment. Where hydrogen gets introduced into natural waters today, there is a long list of terminal electron acceptors (i.e. oxidants) in the environment that organisms could use to oxidize it and derive metabolic energy. For purposes of discussing the evolution of photosynthesis, the five terminal electron acceptors of greatest interest are oxygen, O2, nitrate NO3-, ferric iron(III), arsenic(V) arsenate, and sulfate SO4(2-) If ANY of these five terminal electron acceptors had been present in the water at the time, the first photosynthetic bacteria would have never messed around with solar power. It just needed some way to oxidize the hydrogen. There were no chemical oxidants to use, so he resorted to photooxidation. Intracellular photooxidation. Manganese photooxidizes much more readily than most other elements. There was no ozone layer to hold back the UV in those days, and low end UV photooxidizes manganese(II) to manganese(IV). Manganese(IV) can be used as terminal electron acceptor to oxidize the free hydrogen to get energy. Scrounging up a bit of photooxidized manganese here and there was an option. Indeed, photooxidation of things like manganese was about the ONLY source of rare terminal electron acceptors in that environment. But it was only good for one time use. One oxidized manganese atom wasn't going to help you oxidize more than one molecule of hydrogen. But what if you take that manganese atom inside and recycle it. Move your body into the UV light so you can reoxidize that manganese atom over and over using sunlight for intracellular photooxidation. With each hydrogen oxidized, the manganese is reduced back to manganese(II). With each act of intracellular UV photooxidation, that manganese(II) could be oxidized back to manganese(IV). They didn't need many joules of energy from the sun. Just a little spark really, to set off an exothermic oxidation of a energy rich reductant. They just wanted the tiniest bit of solar energy to help them eat the free lunch nature provided. But the low end UV that photooxidizes manganese doesn't penetrate too deep in the water. If the proto photosynthetic bacteria wanted to exploit the free lunch in the deeper water, they were going to have to expand the range of frequencies of light that their photosystems could use for photooxidation. Just to get that tiny spark of solar energy, they would need to be able to use blue or even red light. We are half way to true photosynthesis. These guys are still just trying to exploit the free food all around them. They aren't really using the solar energy to make their own food from scratch. Yet. |
RE: Photosynthesis: The Chemical Basics14-04-2025 06:28 | |
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Photosynthesis: The Chemical Basics There are SIX basic chemical pathways of photosynthesis. There are SIX different elements with chemically reduced forms that can be used as reductants for photosynthesis. There are SIX different chemically oxidized waste products that can be generated by photosynthesis. They are ranked 1-6, from strongest to weakest reductant fed in, and 1-6 from weakest to strongest terminal electron acceptor generated as waste product. 1-5 are anoxygenic photosynthesis. #6 is oxygenic photosynthesis. 1. Hydrogen Reduced hydrogen, H2 gets taken in as reductant. H2O, water is the oxidized hydrogen waste product of photosynthesis. 2. Sulfur Reduced sulfur, H2S, methionate, etc. gets taken in as reductant. SO4(2-) sulfate is the oxidized sulfur waste product of photosynthesis. 3. Arsenic Reduced arsenic, AsO3(3-) arsenic(III) arsenite gets taken in as reductant. AsO4(3-) arsenic(V) arsenate is the oxidized arsenic waste product of photosynthesis. 4. Iron Reduced iron, Fe2+ ferrous iron(II) gets taken in as reductant. Fe3+ ferric iron(III) is the oxidized iron waste product of photosynthesis. 5. Nitrogen Reduced nitrogen, NO2- nitrite gets taken is as reductant. NO3- nitrate is the oxidized nitrogen waste product of photosynthesis. 6. Oxygen Reduced oxygen, H2O water gets taken in as reductant. O2 oxygen gas is the oxidized oxygen waste product of photosynthesis. |
RE: Why banded iron formation sequences have pure CHERT at base every time.14-04-2025 14:58 | |
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Why banded iron formation sequences have pure CHERT at base every time. There are three major distinct classes of Banded Iron Formations found, ranging in age from roughly 2000-4000 million years in age. Two things they ALL have in common: 1. They all record the ecosystem succession of different kinds of photosynthetic communities as chemical reductants (H2, H2S, As(III), Fe(II), NO2-) are sequentially depleted, in order of strength. 2. They all have a layer of pure CHERT, silica quartz at the bottom (beginning) of each sequence of bands. Why pure chert? Why no iron or carbonates? The first layer of every banded iron formation sequence is deposited under a photosynthetic community in which hydrogen-based anoxygenic photosynthesis is dominant. The chemistry of the sediments deposited reflects this. Hydrogen based anoxygenic photosynthesis takes in hydrogen, H2 as the chemically reduced form of hydrogen to use for photosynthesis. Oxidized hydrogen, also known as water, is the waste product of this photosynthesis. The first photosynthetic community to dominate following episodic vulcanism's release of hydrogen, hydrogen sulfide, and many other chemical reductants into the sea is HYDROGEN based anoxygenic photosynthesis. They dominate because hydrogen is the strongest reductant Nature provides. They get more bang for the buck from sunlight than any other photosynthetic organism. As the hydrogen based anoxygenic photosynthetic bacteria rain down organic carbon on the sea floor, they do not produce any terminal electron acceptors that can be used by bacteria to oxidize that organic carbon. It remains pure on the sea floor. When that layer of pure organic carbon material is subjected to more than 2000 million years of geologic metamorphosis, all the organic carbon gets replaced by silica. It becomes pure chert. To this day, there are microsites where enough hydrogen bubbles up from the Earth to support hydrogen based anoxygenic photosynthesis. That's the only reason we know that such a bacteria performing such a kind of photosynthesis ever even existed. It is also how we know that such a bacteria will outcompete all other photosynthetic organisms and dominate, if enough hydrogen is available. When the hydrogen runs out, someone else will get a shot at dominating the high light zone, using the next strongest available reductant. Namely, H2S |
RE: Chert laced with iron and carbonate - 2nd layer of EVERY BIF14-04-2025 15:27 | |
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Chert laced with iron and carbonate - 2nd layer of EVERY BIF EVERY banded iron formation (BIF) deposited between 2000-4000 million years ago has at least TWO DISTINCT LAYERS in a repeating sequence. The oldest BIFs only have two kinds of layers. "Microbanded", very thin layers of pure chert alternate with layers of chert laced with iron, carbonate, and traces of sulfur. Younger BIFs (less than 3000 million years old) may have six distinct layers in each sequence. However, the second layer, just above the first layer of pure chert, is always chert laced with iron, carbonate and traces of sulfur. The second layer at the bottom of EVERY banded iron formation in the world, sitting just above a layer of pure chert, is chert laced with iron, carbonate and traces of sulfur. Hydrogen sulfide, H2S, is the second strongest reductant Nature provides for use in photosynthesis. When the hydrogen is depleted as it floats off to space following the pause in vulcanism, hydrogen sulfide remains as the next best choice to use as reductant for photosynthesis. The second most bang for the buck from sunlight. When hydrogen based photosynthesis dominated at the surface, water was the closest thing to an "oxidant" that photosynthesis generated as oxidized waste product. It did not provide any terminal electron acceptors that organisms could use to oxidize the organic carbon on the sea floor. When hydrogen was depleted and the second wave of photosynthetic community succession came to dominate the high light zone, sulfur based photosynthesis changed the chemistry of the sea floor. Reduced sulfur is taken in as reductant, and SO4(2-) sulfate is the oxidized sulfur waste product of photosynthesis. Sulfate CAN be used as a terminal electron acceptor by bacteria to oxidize organic carbon. When the second wave succession photosynthetic community became dominant, they continued to rain organic carbon down onto the sea floor. However, they also put sulfate into the water. Sulfate reducing bacteria used that sulfate as terminal electron acceptor to oxidize organic carbon and acquire energy. One product of microbial sulfate reduction to oxidize organic carbon in the presence of ferrous iron is ferrous sulfide or iron pyrite, FeS2. The organic matter accumulating on the sea floor now had iron pyrite in it. Another product of microbial sulfate reduction to oxidize organic carbon is the inorganic (oxidized) carbon it creates. However, carbon dioxide CO2 is NOT the inorganic carbon product of sulfate reduction. The inorganic carbon product of sulfate reduction is CARBONATE, CO3-. So, the second wave of photosynthetic community succession depositing every banded iron formation sequence left iron pyrite and carbonate in the sea floor, as well as a lot of organic carbon. During fossilization, all the organic carbon is replaced by silica. Nearly all the sulfur in the iron pyrite gets replaced by silica, but the iron remains. And so does some of the carbonate. Not a pure chert layer, like the one below it. |
RE: Microbanded BIFs and the rhythmic pulse of geothermal episodes14-04-2025 15:48 | |
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Microbanded BIFs and the rhythmic pulse of geothermal episodes. The very oldest banded iron formations, nearly 4000 million years old, are comprised of very thin bands with astoundingly consistent spacing between them. The bottom layer of each pair of bands in "microbanded" BIFs is pure silica. This formed from the pure organic matter deposited during the reign of hydrogen based anoxygenic photosynthesis. The top layer of each pair of bands in microbanded BIF is chert laced with iron, carbonate, and traces of sulfur. This formed from the organic matter deposited during the reign of sulfur based anoxygenic photosynthesis, when they produced sulfate during photosynthesis. Microbial sulfate reduction left its print on the sea floor. The microbanded BIFs are always very thin layers, at intervals so remarkably consistent in spacing, they were called "annual varves". It was believed that each layer represented one year of sedimentation. Unlike the younger BIFs that we mine for iron ore, these ancient microbanded BIFs never deposited any layers that would be worth mining for iron. The ecosystem community succession sequence never got that far. New hydrogen was emitted in another episode of vulcanism before the hydrogen sulfide ever had enough time to get depleted. And that next episode of vulcanism came at intervals of uncanny consistency. We see something like it today at the Old Faithful geyser at Yellowstone. There is a consistent rhythm of geothermal activity, with episodic emission of hydrothermal steam rich in reductant such as hydrogen and hydrogen sulfide. 4000 years ago, the Earth's crust was much thinner and more flexible than it is today. The geothermal steam oozing through the Earth's veins had a pulse. The Earth's heart rate 4000 million years ago is recorded in the spacing of the microbanded banded iron formations. |
RE: Was arsenic based photosynthesis the third wave of succession?14-04-2025 17:01 | |
Im a BM★★★★★ (2282) |
Was arsenic based photosynthesis the third wave of succession? Banded iron formations are the fossilized evidence of photosynthetic community succession. Anoxygenic photosynthesis evolved to use multiple reductants from the environment, including hydrogen (H2), reduced sulfur (H2S), reduced arsenic(III) arsenate, reduced ferrous iron(II), and reduced nitrogen nitrite (NO2-) The first two waves of photosynthetic community succession exploited the two strongest reductants, hydrogen and hydrogen sulfide. Hydrogen, the strongest reductant gave the most bang for the buck from solar energy. They could outgrow and dominate all the others, so long as sufficient hydrogen was available. When hydrogen was depleted, and it didn't take long to float off into space, the next wave of photosynthetic community succession exploited the next strongest reductant available in the environment. Hydrogen sulfide. In the absence of hydrogen, hydrogen sulfide based photosynthesis would be dominant. But eventually even the hydrogen sulfide became depleted, opening the field for the next wave of photosynthetic community succession. Who would it be? Much attention has been given to ferrous iron based photosynthesis as a contributor to banded iron formations. And it most certainly was. But was the third wave of community succession necessarily going to be the ones who use ferrous iron? Maybe not. Arsenic based anoxygenic photosynthesis employs a stronger reductant than ferrous iron, and would be more competitive if sufficient arsenic(III) arsenite were available in sea water. How could we tell if they were ever the third wave of succession in banded iron formations? An arsenic based anoxygenic photosynthetic community would leave tell tale fingerprints in the seafloor. Arsenic based photosynthesis takes in arsenic(III) arsenite as reductant, and produces arsenic(V) arsenate as the oxidized arsenic product of photosynthesis. Arsenic(V) arsenate is a terminal electron acceptor that can be used to oxidize organic carbon. Microbial arsenic reduction would have oxidized some of the organic carbon in the sea floor. Anaerobic decomposition of organic carbon via arsenic reduction produces CARBONATE. It would have left carbonate behind. If arsenic(V) is present during sulfate reduction, arsenic can get sequestered in arsenian pyrite. Photosynthesis would have been the only source of arsenic(V). Arsenian pyrite in the sea floor would be another fingerprint. If arsenic(V) is present during iron oxidation, arsenic can get sequestered and co precipitate as ferric-iron-bound arsenic. This would be on the sea floor. If solid phase ferric iron is present on the sea floor while arsenic based photosynthesis occurs, arsenic(V) can get tightly adsorbed to the ferric iron surface. This would be on the sea floor. Perhaps most significantly, arsenic(V) can be used as terminal electron acceptor to oxidize sulfides in the water. In some environments with high sulfide concentrations, arsenic(V) is reduced to form arsenian pyrite. Once photosynthesis started producing stronger oxidants, such as oxygen, reduced arsenic(III) in the environment was going to get oxidized to As(V). Before that happened, the only source of new arsenic(V) entering sea water would have been arsenic based anoxygenic photosynthesis. Tell tale signs of arsenic(V) impact to sea floor chemistry at a time when no arsenic oxidizing terminal electron acceptors were in the water would be very strong evidence that arsenic based anoxygenic photosynthesis was one of the waves of photosynthetic community succession. Edited on 14-04-2025 17:05 |
RE: Nitrate reducing iron oxidizing bacteria in plausible symbiosis14-04-2025 23:09 | |
Im a BM★★★★★ (2282) |
Nitrate reducing iron oxidizing bacteria in plausible symbiosis There may have been a place in the sea where the concentration of nitrite in the water was sufficient to support nitrite-based photosynthesis. However, few such places would have occurred where there is not also more than enough ferrous iron(II) to support iron based anoxygenic photosynthesis. Ferrous iron(II) is a stronger reductant than nitrite. The bacteria who use iron(II) as reductant for photosynthesis can outgrow the ones who use nitrite as reductant for photosynthesis. BUT, if a nitrite oxidizing photo bacteria teamed up with an iron oxidizing nitrate reducer, it would be a win-win in more than one way. This partnership would continuously deplete the available ferrous iron for photosynthesis, at the same time it would continuously replenish the nitrite supply. The photobacteria gives the nitrate to an iron oxidizer, who then takes out the ferrous iron from solution. Starve the competition. And then the nitrate reducer turns that nitrate back into nitrite for use in photosynthesis. More food for the home team. Recycling the nitrogen its partner needs while depriving the competition of the iron it needs. Such a symbiosis could have created a narrow zone of low ferrous iron in the high light zone, where nitrite based photosynthesis could dominate despite the abundance of ferrous iron in the underlying water. Nitrate is the second best terminal electron acceptor out there, after oxygen, for an organism to get maximum energy yield from oxidation of organic carbon, ferrous iron(II), arsenite arsenic(III), hydrogen sulfide, hydrogen gas... Nitrite based anoxygenic photosynthesis produced a strong oxidant, enabling these bacteria to offer a stronger oxidant to the partner who might assist by depriving the competition of stronger reductants. |
14-04-2025 23:53 | |
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Im a BM wrote: Yes Corky, we know IBdaMann claims that Gold is a molecule, and that the last ice age never happened because I was not there to see it. The only conclusion that can be drawn from this is that IBdaMann is clearly not using enough LSD. According to CDC/Government info, people who were vaccinated are now DYING at a higher rate than non-vaccinated people, which exposes the covid vaccines as the poison that they are, this is now fully confirmed by the terrorist CDC This place is quieter than the FBI commenting on the chink bank account information on Hunter Xiden's laptop I LOVE TRUMP BECAUSE HE PISSES OFF ALL THE PEOPLE THAT I CAN'T STAND. ULTRA MAGA "Being unwanted, unloved, uncared for, forgotten by everybody, I think that is a much greater hunger, a much greater poverty than the person who has nothing to eat." MOTHER THERESA OF CALCUTTA So why is helping to hide the murder of an American president patriotic? ![]() Sonia makes me so proud to be a dumb white boy ![]() Now be honest, was I correct or was I correct? LOL |
RE: Sulfide and pyrite formation - correspondence report15-04-2025 00:33 | |
Im a BM★★★★★ (2282) |
Sulfide and pyrite formation - correspondence report Yesterday I reestablished contact with paleobiogeochemistry community. I want to report on this correspondence so it isn't just buried in someone's email files. The question was about the fact that sulfide in sea water can react with ferrous iron to form iron pyrite. It begs the question, after episodic vulcanism loads the sea with hydrogen sulfide, how much of it can really be available for sulfide-based anoxygenic photosynthesis if sulfide is getting taken out of solution and sequestered into iron pyrite? In a tangent off the point, the following came up that I want to transcribe, sort of, here on this thread. The basic idea is that a photosynthetic community can create a very narrow exclusion zone at the surface, while everybody else has to stay down in the shade beneath them. For example, with sulfide. If there is sulfide available, sulfide based anoxygenic photosynthesis will outcompete iron based photosynthesis. But the iron based photo bacteria can still compete by creating an exclusion zone at the surface. They can team up with bacteria that use the ferrric iron they produce as a waste product, and oxidize sulfide with it. If a thin dense community of iron based photosynthetic bacteria formed a mat or film at the surface, they could exclude sulfide from getting in. Without sulfide, their faster growing sulfur based photo bacteria don't have a chance. The iron based photo community is generating ferric iron and feeding it exclusively to symbiotic bacteria they associate with. Those bacteria use ferric iron to take sulfide out of solution, sequestering into iron pyrite. One photosynthetic community, using a WEAKER reductant, can enlist the assistance of an oxidizing bacteria to remove the competitors stronger reductant. The community that ought to be at a disadvantage is actually on top. And cyanobacteria certainly did this in symbiosis with iron oxidizers. A thin mat at the surface allowed them to control the local chemistry. Their iron oxidizing partners waited below to have exclusive access to the precious oxygen being produced. Using that oxygen to oxidize ferrous iron, and cause ferric iron to rain down on the sea floor. With a stronger reductant, iron based photo bacteria should be more competitive. But only if they can get it. So, a very thin zone at the top is one photosynthetic community, and everyone else is stuck in the shade beneath them. Those cyanobacteria in that thin mat on the surface are emitting oxygen to the atmosphere on one side. On the other side, virtually 100% of the oxygen they add to sea water is being used by their partners to oxidize iron. On the top side, they could put out enough oxygen to cause the GREAT OXIDATION of labile reductants on the lifeless land above sea level. On the bottom side, they weren't making a dent in the ocean's total ferrous iron supply. They were already putting enough oxygen into the atmosphere to change the chemistry of the land. It would be another... 900 million years? Well, it was going to take a LONG time before any free oxygen could be found in sea water. There was just too much ferrous iron to rust away first. |
15-04-2025 02:36 | |
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Im a BM wrote: Yes Corky we know. IBdaMann claims that Gold is a molecule, and that the last ice age never happened because I was not there to see it. The only conclusion that can be drawn from this is that IBdaMann is clearly not using enough LSD. According to CDC/Government info, people who were vaccinated are now DYING at a higher rate than non-vaccinated people, which exposes the covid vaccines as the poison that they are, this is now fully confirmed by the terrorist CDC This place is quieter than the FBI commenting on the chink bank account information on Hunter Xiden's laptop I LOVE TRUMP BECAUSE HE PISSES OFF ALL THE PEOPLE THAT I CAN'T STAND. ULTRA MAGA "Being unwanted, unloved, uncared for, forgotten by everybody, I think that is a much greater hunger, a much greater poverty than the person who has nothing to eat." MOTHER THERESA OF CALCUTTA So why is helping to hide the murder of an American president patriotic? ![]() Sonia makes me so proud to be a dumb white boy ![]() Now be honest, was I correct or was I correct? LOL |
RE: The Great Oxidation 2450 Million Years Ago15-04-2025 05:45 | |
Im a BM★★★★★ (2282) |
The Great Oxidation 2450 Million Years Ago About 2450 million years ago, oxygen became available to the atmosphere. While it would not have created more than low single digit percentage concentration in the atmosphere, it brought about the oxidation of labile reductants on the land above sea level. This, in turn, created many new niches for life to live outside of the sea. Bacteria could not live on the upland surface because the intensity of ultraviolet light would have fried them. But dozens of new niches opened up underground. Using atmospheric oxygen, bacteria could acquire energy through the oxidation of dozens of different reductants. Ferrous iron(II), manganese(II), sulfides, arsenic(III), phosphorus(III), boron, reduced forms of selenium, vanadium, molybdenum, ammonium, nitrite... and the list goes on and on. ALL of them could be oxidized for energy yield using oxygen as terminal electron acceptor. Bacteria evolved to use many many reductants. Some, such as sulfides could give a LOT of bang for the buck when coupled to an oxidant as powerful as oxygen. Others, such as nitrite, don't give much bang for the buck. But before oxygen came along, there were no oxidants powerful enough to oxidize nitrite for any kind of energy payoff. Damp underground flow paths came to support ENORMOUS biomass of chemoautotrophs on the land above sea level. Downstream, submarine groundwater discharge began to bring in all kinds of new terminal electron acceptors into the sea. The oxygen enabled great oxidation all right. The oxidized products - the sulfate, nitrate, arsenate, manganese(IV), ferric iron(III), borate, molybdate, selenate, phosphate, vanadate, etc. etc. were now available for use as terminal electron acceptors. The sea floor organic carbon was going to take a beating. And every single one of those terminal electron acceptors yields CARBONATE rather than carbon dioxide as the inorganic carbon product of oxidation. Along with insoluble products of reduction, such as iron pyrite. |
15-04-2025 12:45 | |
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Im a BM wrote: Another gold star for Corky IBdaMann claims that Gold is a molecule, and that the last ice age never happened because I was not there to see it. The only conclusion that can be drawn from this is that IBdaMann is clearly not using enough LSD. According to CDC/Government info, people who were vaccinated are now DYING at a higher rate than non-vaccinated people, which exposes the covid vaccines as the poison that they are, this is now fully confirmed by the terrorist CDC This place is quieter than the FBI commenting on the chink bank account information on Hunter Xiden's laptop I LOVE TRUMP BECAUSE HE PISSES OFF ALL THE PEOPLE THAT I CAN'T STAND. ULTRA MAGA "Being unwanted, unloved, uncared for, forgotten by everybody, I think that is a much greater hunger, a much greater poverty than the person who has nothing to eat." MOTHER THERESA OF CALCUTTA So why is helping to hide the murder of an American president patriotic? ![]() Sonia makes me so proud to be a dumb white boy ![]() Now be honest, was I correct or was I correct? LOL |
RE: The "Seven Seas of the Precambrian"? - Make that SIX15-04-2025 22:02 | |
Im a BM★★★★★ (2282) |
The "Seven Seas of the Precambrian"? - Make that SIX! Photosynthesis has evolved to use SIX different elements, in their chemically reduced form, as reductants to feed into photosystems. Hydrogen, sulfur, arsenic, iron, nitrogen, and oxygen. Only the pathway that uses reduced OXYGEN, H2O as reductant for photosynthesis, produces oxygen gas O2 as the oxidized waste product. This is oxygenic photosynthesis. The other five pathways of photosynthesis, with five elements other than oxygen, do NOT produce oxygen as the oxidized waste product. This is anoxygenic photosynthesis. Reduced hydrogen, H2 can be used as reductant by some, and H2O water is the oxidized hydrogen waste product of photosynthesis. Reduced sulfur, H2S hydrogen sulfide, methionate, etc., can be used as reductant by some, and SO4(2-) sulfate is the oxidized sulfur waste product of photosynthesis. Reduced arsenic, AsO3(3-) arsenic(III) arsenite can be used as reductant by some, and AsO4(3-) arsenic(V) arsenate is the oxidized arsenic waste product of photosynthesis. Reduced iron, Fe2+ ferrous iron(II) can be used as reductant by some, and Fe3+ ferric iron(III) is the oxidized iron waste product of photosynthesis. Reduced nitrogen, NO2- nitrite can be used as reductant by some, and NO3- nitrate is the oxidized nitrogen waste product of photosynthesis. Reduced oxygen, H2O water can be used as reductant by some, and O2 oxygen gas is the oxidized oxygen waste product of photosynthesis. Not quite the "Seven Seas of the Precambrian". But it COULD have been the SIX seas of the precambrian. Photosynthetic ecosystem community succession could have created up to SIX different seas of distinct chemical conditions. Depending on which photosynthetic pathway was dominant in the high light zone, sea floor chemistry was engraved with its unique signature. Sea floor sediments subjected to geologic metamorphism display the unique properties of the chemistry of the photosynthetic pathway that dominated during its deposition. Hydrogen based photosynthesis, for example, left a layer of pure chert as its fingerprint. Always the first wave of photosynthetic community succession when vulcanism delivered a fresh supply of hydrogen, because hydrogen is the strongest reductant they can use. The "Hydrogen Sea" had organic carbon raining down on to the sea floor from a highly productive photosynthetic community. And it didn't rain anything ELSE down on them. It wasn't generating ferric iron or oxygen or anything else that could be used as a terminal electron acceptor to oxidize organic carbon in the sea floor. It wasn't facilitating any oxidation reduction reactions to form pyrite or carbonate or ferric-iron-bound arsenate. The "Hydrogen" Sea laid down sediments of unblemished pure organic matter. Millions of years later, all the organic carbon has been replaced by silica. The fingerprint of the Hydrogen Sea is a layer of pure chert. Found at the base of every banded iron formation ever deposited. If ALL of the reductants that anoxygenic photosynthesis can use are available in sufficient supply, photosynthetic ecosystem community succcession could have sequentially depleted them to leave five distinct sediment types from five different "seas". Finally, when even NO2- nitrite was depleted, oxygenic photosynthesis would have the opportunity to dominate. However, water is such a WEAK reductant to use for photosynthesis, oxygenic photosynthesis gets relatively little bang for the buck from sunlight. They grow too slowly to compete with a photosynthetic bacteria that has a stronger reductant available to use. So when photosynthetic community succession gets all the way to oxygenic photosynthesis, that is as far as it can go. Sedimentation from this "Sixth Sea of the Precambrian" would just continue dumping ferric iron on the seafloor. Until another round of vulcanism, maybe a good hard punch from an asteroid, resupplied hydrogen, hydrogen sulfide, and all the other reductants to get the photosynthetic community succession process started over again with the "Hydrogen Sea". Edited on 15-04-2025 22:07 |
RE: What is actually NEW and DIFFERENT about this model for the genesis of banded iron formations?16-04-2025 08:18 | |
sealover★★★★☆ (1794) |
What is actually NEW and DIFFERENT about this model for the genesis of banded iron formations? The INTRACELLULAR PHOTOOXIDATION hypothesis as the explanation for the origin of photosynthesis. Photosynthesis takes in reductants from the environment and, via intracellular photooxidation, generates oxidized waste products - oxygen, nitrate, ferric iron(III), arsenic(V) arsenate, sulfate, or water. It originally evolved as a way to the exploit energy rich reductant, hydrogen, readily available from the environment. And to do so despite the scarcity of terminal electron acceptors (oxidants) available in the water. The EXPANDING PHOTOSYSTEM OXIDATION CAPACITY hypothesis as the explanation for how anoxygenic photosynthetic bacteria were able to exploit reductants WEAKER than hydrogen, readily available in the environment The first photosynthetic bacteria exploited the energy from hydrogen available in the environment by employing intracellular photooxidation. An atom such as manganese could be photooxidized within the cell, from manganese(II) to manganese(IV). Manganese(IV) acts as terminal electron acceptor to oxidize the hydrogen and become manganese(II) again. Photooxidize and repeat. The first photosystem employed low end ultraviolet light using only the most rudimentary light harvesting apparatus. Low end UV could not penetrate very deeply into the hydrogen rich water. To exploit the hydrogen beyond the shallowest water, the light harvesting apparatus expanded to be able to use light of longer wavelenths for intracellular photooxidation. Blue light and even red light. The same expansion photosystem oxidation capacity to use high energy reductant in low light would eventually make it possible to exploit low energy reductants in high light. The RHYHMICALLY VIBRATING CRUST hypothesis as the explanation for the consistent intervals in the spacing of "microbanded" banded iron formations, the most ancient of them all. 4000 million years ago the Earth's crust was thin and flexible, belching out gas and steam on a frequent, regular schedule. Like the Old Faithful geyser at Yellowstone, with bursts of gas and steam coming out with a consistent rhythm. The microbanded layers were once called "annual varves" because the uncanny regularity of the spacing suggested a regular annual cycle, over many years. Reductant rich steam pulsed through the Earth's veins underneath its thin skin. The pace of the Earth's heart beat 4000 million years ago is recorded in the spacing between between the layers of the microbanded iron formations. The SEQUENTIAL REDUCTANT DEPLETION hypothesis as the explanation for the sequence of photosynthetic community succession recorded in the banded iron formations. As hydrogen gas from the most recent burst of geothermal activity floated off into outer space, its concentration rapidly diminished in sea water. The hydrogen gravy train was a short lived ride. While it was there, anoxygenic photosynthetic bacteria using hydrogen as reductant had the competitive advantage, using the strongest available reductant. After a time, following the cessation of vulcanism, hydrogen is too depleted to support them anymore, so the competitive advantage goes to the photosynthetic community that can use the next strongest reductant - hydrogen sulfide. And so on, when the sulfide is depleted, the next strongest reductant will be selectively consumed from the water by photosynthetic bacteria. The PHOTOSYNTHETIC COMMUNITY SUCCESSION hypothesis as the explanation for the chemistry of the banded iron formations. The first wave of photosynthetic community succession were the bacteria that could use hydrogen as reductant for photosynthesis. They got the most bang for the buck from sunlight and could outgrow competitors who used any other reductant. Using hydrogen as reductant, the oxidized waste product of photosynthesis is water. This highly productive photosynthetic community rained organic carbon down to the sea floor. There were very few terminal electrons acceptors around to use to oxidize organic carbon. And photosynthesis wasn't producing any oxidants. Pure organic carbon material remained on the sea floor unoxidized. It later fossilized into pure chert as all the organic carbon was replaced by silica. The next community in the succession, after hydrogen was depleted left a very different chemical fingerprint on the sea floor. Sulfur based anoxygenic photosynthesis generates sulfate as the oxidized product. Sulfate can be used as a terminal electron acceptor by bacteria to oxidize organic carbon. Sulfate reduction transforms organic carbon into inorganic carbon, as carbonate. It also produces iron pyrite while its at it. This photosynthetic community rained organic carbon on to the sea floor, but it also put sulfate in the water, which led to the formation of iron pyrite and carbonate in the sea floor. This would NOT fossilize into pure chert. And so on with each successive photosynthetic community, putting out a different oxidized product from its photosynthesis, leaving its unique chemical fingerprint in the sea floor. The SYMBIOTIC ALLELOPATHIC OXIDATION hypothesis as the explanation for the ability of cyanobacteria to dominate a narrow zone at the surface while anoxygenic photosynthesis was excluded to the shade beneath them. With so much ferrous iron in sea water at the time, cyanobacteria couldn't possibly compete with the iron based anoxygenic photosynthetic bacteria. Cyanobacteria just couldn't get as much bang for the buck from sunlight. Cyanobacteria partnered with iron oxidizing bacteria, to whom they provided exclusive access to the strong oxidant the generated as waste product. A very thin layer of them on the surface could create an exclusion zone depleted of ferrous iron. Their faster growing competitors couldn't compete at all without enough ferrous iron in the water. Unlike ferrous iron, ferric iron is insoluble in sea water, so it precipitated out of solution and fell to the sea floor. The iron based photosynthetic bacteria back then had to do what they do today where ferrous iron seeps up from the sea floor. They have to live in the shade beneath the oxygenic photosynthetic community. The GREAT OXIDATION was facilitated by a thin mat of cyanobacteria dominating the high light zone at the sea water surface. At the same time the cyanobacteria mat dumped ferric iron on the sea floor, it blasted oxygen up into the atmosphere. I wasn't enough to bring the atmosphere to anything higher than low single digit percentages of oxygen, but it faciliated the oxidation of labile reductants in the continent(s). The lifeless continents would become home to enormous biomass of underground chemoautotrophic bacteria. The presence of even very low concentrations of oxygen in the atmosphere opened up dozens of niches for bacteria to use dozens of different reductants. As atmospheric oxygen supported the great oxidation of the minerals along the underground flow paths of the continents, it began to supply a wide variety of terminal electron acceptors to the sea that could be used by bacteria to oxidize the organic carbon of the sea floor. Arsenate, borate, phosphate, selenate, molybdate, selenate, vanadate, nitrate,.. and the list goes on. The sea floor organic carbon would now be subjected to oxidation by a wild mix of terminal electron acceptors of varying strength. There was enough oxygen in the atmosphere to cause big chemical changes to the continents. But there was SO DAMN MUCH ferrous iron in the sea water, it would take nearly 1000 million more years of cyanobacteria on the surface mat producing oxygen before the ferrous iron all got oxidized. FINALLY it would be possible for there to be enough free oxygen in sea water support the Cambrian Explosion. it would a Edited on 16-04-2025 08:55 |
18-04-2025 21:07 | |
sealover★★★★☆ (1794) |
I wish Hans Jenny were still alive so I could share this with him. It is kind of like "state factors" of soil formation applied to banded iron formation. What is actually NEW and DIFFERENT about this model for the genesis of banded iron formations? The INTRACELLULAR PHOTOOXIDATION hypothesis as the explanation for the origin of photosynthesis. Photosynthesis takes in reductants from the environment and, via intracellular photooxidation, generates oxidized waste products - oxygen, nitrate, ferric iron(III), arsenic(V) arsenate, sulfate, or water. It originally evolved as a way to the exploit energy rich reductant, hydrogen, readily available from the environment. And to do so despite the scarcity of terminal electron acceptors (oxidants) available in the water. The EXPANDING PHOTOSYSTEM OXIDATION CAPACITY hypothesis as the explanation for how anoxygenic photosynthetic bacteria were able to exploit reductants WEAKER than hydrogen, readily available in the environment The first photosynthetic bacteria exploited the energy from hydrogen available in the environment by employing intracellular photooxidation. An atom such as manganese could be photooxidized within the cell, from manganese(II) to manganese(IV). Manganese(IV) acts as terminal electron acceptor to oxidize the hydrogen and become manganese(II) again. Photooxidize and repeat. The first photosystem employed low end ultraviolet light using only the most rudimentary light harvesting apparatus. Low end UV could not penetrate very deeply into the hydrogen rich water. To exploit the hydrogen beyond the shallowest water, the light harvesting apparatus expanded to be able to use light of longer wavelenths for intracellular photooxidation. Blue light and even red light. The same expansion photosystem oxidation capacity to use high energy reductant in low light would eventually make it possible to exploit low energy reductants in high light. The RHYHMICALLY VIBRATING CRUST hypothesis as the explanation for the consistent intervals in the spacing of "microbanded" banded iron formations, the most ancient of them all. 4000 million years ago the Earth's crust was thin and flexible, belching out gas and steam on a frequent, regular schedule. Like the Old Faithful geyser at Yellowstone, with bursts of gas and steam coming out with a consistent rhythm. The microbanded layers were once called "annual varves" because the uncanny regularity of the spacing suggested a regular annual cycle, over many years. Reductant rich steam pulsed through the Earth's veins underneath its thin skin. The pace of the Earth's heart beat 4000 million years ago is recorded in the spacing between between the layers of the microbanded iron formations. The SEQUENTIAL REDUCTANT DEPLETION hypothesis as the explanation for the sequence of photosynthetic community succession recorded in the banded iron formations. As hydrogen gas from the most recent burst of geothermal activity floated off into outer space, its concentration rapidly diminished in sea water. The hydrogen gravy train was a short lived ride. While it was there, anoxygenic photosynthetic bacteria using hydrogen as reductant had the competitive advantage, using the strongest available reductant. After a time, following the cessation of vulcanism, hydrogen is too depleted to support them anymore, so the competitive advantage goes to the photosynthetic community that can use the next strongest reductant - hydrogen sulfide. And so on, when the sulfide is depleted, the next strongest reductant will be selectively consumed from the water by photosynthetic bacteria. The PHOTOSYNTHETIC COMMUNITY SUCCESSION hypothesis as the explanation for the chemistry of the banded iron formations. The first wave of photosynthetic community succession were the bacteria that could use hydrogen as reductant for photosynthesis. They got the most bang for the buck from sunlight and could outgrow competitors who used any other reductant. Using hydrogen as reductant, the oxidized waste product of photosynthesis is water. This highly productive photosynthetic community rained organic carbon down to the sea floor. There were very few terminal electrons acceptors around to use to oxidize organic carbon. And photosynthesis wasn't producing any oxidants. Pure organic carbon material remained on the sea floor unoxidized. It later fossilized into pure chert as all the organic carbon was replaced by silica. The next community in the succession, after hydrogen was depleted left a very different chemical fingerprint on the sea floor. Sulfur based anoxygenic photosynthesis generates sulfate as the oxidized product. Sulfate can be used as a terminal electron acceptor by bacteria to oxidize organic carbon. Sulfate reduction transforms organic carbon into inorganic carbon, as carbonate. It also produces iron pyrite while its at it. This photosynthetic community rained organic carbon on to the sea floor, but it also put sulfate in the water, which led to the formation of iron pyrite and carbonate in the sea floor. This would NOT fossilize into pure chert. And so on with each successive photosynthetic community, putting out a different oxidized product from its photosynthesis, leaving its unique chemical fingerprint in the sea floor. The SYMBIOTIC ALLELOPATHIC OXIDATION hypothesis as the explanation for the ability of cyanobacteria to dominate a narrow zone at the surface while anoxygenic photosynthesis was excluded to the shade beneath them. With so much ferrous iron in sea water at the time, cyanobacteria couldn't possibly compete with the iron based anoxygenic photosynthetic bacteria. Cyanobacteria just couldn't get as much bang for the buck from sunlight. Cyanobacteria partnered with iron oxidizing bacteria, to whom they provided exclusive access to the strong oxidant the generated as waste product. A very thin layer of them on the surface could create an exclusion zone depleted of ferrous iron. Their faster growing competitors couldn't compete at all without enough ferrous iron in the water. Unlike ferrous iron, ferric iron is insoluble in sea water, so it precipitated out of solution and fell to the sea floor. The iron based photosynthetic bacteria back then had to do what they do today where ferrous iron seeps up from the sea floor. They have to live in the shade beneath the oxygenic photosynthetic community. The GREAT OXIDATION was facilitated by a thin mat of cyanobacteria dominating the high light zone at the sea water surface. At the same time the cyanobacteria mat dumped ferric iron on the sea floor, it blasted oxygen up into the atmosphere. I wasn't enough to bring the atmosphere to anything higher than low single digit percentages of oxygen, but it faciliated the oxidation of labile reductants in the continent(s). The lifeless continents would become home to enormous biomass of underground chemoautotrophic bacteria. The presence of even very low concentrations of oxygen in the atmosphere opened up dozens of niches for bacteria to use dozens of different reductants. As atmospheric oxygen supported the great oxidation of the minerals along the underground flow paths of the continents, it began to supply a wide variety of terminal electron acceptors to the sea that could be used by bacteria to oxidize the organic carbon of the sea floor. Arsenate, borate, phosphate, selenate, molybdate, selenate, vanadate, nitrate,.. and the list goes on. The sea floor organic carbon would now be subjected to oxidation by a wild mix of terminal electron acceptors of varying strength. There was enough oxygen in the atmosphere to cause big chemical changes to the continents. But there was SO DAMN MUCH ferrous iron in the sea water, it would take nearly 1000 million more years of cyanobacteria on the surface mat producing oxygen before the ferrous iron all got oxidized. FINALLY it would be possible for there to be enough free oxygen in sea water support the Cambrian Explosion. |
18-04-2025 21:51 | |
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RE: What is actually NEW and DIFFERENT about this model for the genesis of banded iron formations?18-04-2025 23:37 | |
sealover★★★★☆ (1794) |
I wish Hans Jenny were still alive so I could share this with him. It is kind of like "state factors" of soil formation applied to the genesis of banded iron formation. What is actually NEW and DIFFERENT about this model for the genesis of banded iron formations? The INTRACELLULAR PHOTOOXIDATION hypothesis as the explanation for the origin of photosynthesis. Photosynthesis takes in reductants from the environment and, via intracellular photooxidation, generates oxidized waste products - oxygen, nitrate, ferric iron(III), arsenic(V) arsenate, sulfate, or water. It originally evolved as a way to the exploit energy rich reductant, hydrogen, readily available from the environment. And to do so despite the scarcity of terminal electron acceptors (oxidants) available in the water. The EXPANDING PHOTOSYSTEM OXIDATION CAPACITY hypothesis as the explanation for how anoxygenic photosynthetic bacteria were able to exploit reductants WEAKER than hydrogen, readily available in the environment The first photosynthetic bacteria exploited the energy from hydrogen available in the environment by employing intracellular photooxidation. An atom such as manganese could be photooxidized within the cell, from manganese(II) to manganese(IV). Manganese(IV) acts as terminal electron acceptor to oxidize the hydrogen and become manganese(II) again. Photooxidize and repeat. The first photosystem employed low end ultraviolet light using only the most rudimentary light harvesting apparatus. Low end UV could not penetrate very deeply into the hydrogen rich water. To exploit the hydrogen beyond the shallowest water, the light harvesting apparatus expanded to be able to use light of longer wavelenths for intracellular photooxidation. Blue light and even red light. The same expansion photosystem oxidation capacity to use high energy reductant in low light would eventually make it possible to exploit low energy reductants in high light. The RHYHMICALLY VIBRATING CRUST hypothesis as the explanation for the consistent intervals in the spacing of "microbanded" banded iron formations, the most ancient of them all. 4000 million years ago the Earth's crust was thin and flexible, belching out gas and steam on a frequent, regular schedule. Like the Old Faithful geyser at Yellowstone, with bursts of gas and steam coming out with a consistent rhythm. The microbanded layers were once called "annual varves" because the uncanny regularity of the spacing suggested a regular annual cycle, over many years. Reductant rich steam pulsed through the Earth's veins underneath its thin skin. The pace of the Earth's heart beat 4000 million years ago is recorded in the spacing between between the layers of the microbanded iron formations. The SEQUENTIAL REDUCTANT DEPLETION hypothesis as the explanation for the sequence of photosynthetic community succession recorded in the banded iron formations. As hydrogen gas from the most recent burst of geothermal activity floated off into outer space, its concentration rapidly diminished in sea water. The hydrogen gravy train was a short lived ride. While it was there, anoxygenic photosynthetic bacteria using hydrogen as reductant had the competitive advantage, using the strongest available reductant. After a time, following the cessation of vulcanism, hydrogen is too depleted to support them anymore, so the competitive advantage goes to the photosynthetic community that can use the next strongest reductant - hydrogen sulfide. And so on, when the sulfide is depleted, the next strongest reductant will be selectively consumed from the water by photosynthetic bacteria. The PHOTOSYNTHETIC COMMUNITY SUCCESSION hypothesis as the explanation for the chemistry of the banded iron formations. The first wave of photosynthetic community succession were the bacteria that could use hydrogen as reductant for photosynthesis. They got the most bang for the buck from sunlight and could outgrow competitors who used any other reductant. Using hydrogen as reductant, the oxidized waste product of photosynthesis is water. This highly productive photosynthetic community rained organic carbon down to the sea floor. There were very few terminal electrons acceptors around to use to oxidize organic carbon. And photosynthesis wasn't producing any oxidants. Pure organic carbon material remained on the sea floor unoxidized. It later fossilized into pure chert as all the organic carbon was replaced by silica. The next community in the succession, after hydrogen was depleted left a very different chemical fingerprint on the sea floor. Sulfur based anoxygenic photosynthesis generates sulfate as the oxidized product. Sulfate can be used as a terminal electron acceptor by bacteria to oxidize organic carbon. Sulfate reduction transforms organic carbon into inorganic carbon, as carbonate. It also produces iron pyrite while its at it. This photosynthetic community rained organic carbon on to the sea floor, but it also put sulfate in the water, which led to the formation of iron pyrite and carbonate in the sea floor. This would NOT fossilize into pure chert. And so on with each successive photosynthetic community, putting out a different oxidized product from its photosynthesis, leaving its unique chemical fingerprint in the sea floor. The SYMBIOTIC ALLELOPATHIC OXIDATION hypothesis as the explanation for the ability of cyanobacteria to dominate a narrow zone at the surface while anoxygenic photosynthesis was excluded to the shade beneath them. With so much ferrous iron in sea water at the time, cyanobacteria couldn't possibly compete with the iron based anoxygenic photosynthetic bacteria. Cyanobacteria just couldn't get as much bang for the buck from sunlight. Cyanobacteria partnered with iron oxidizing bacteria, to whom they provided exclusive access to the strong oxidant the generated as waste product. A very thin layer of them on the surface could create an exclusion zone depleted of ferrous iron. Their faster growing competitors couldn't compete at all without enough ferrous iron in the water. Unlike ferrous iron, ferric iron is insoluble in sea water, so it precipitated out of solution and fell to the sea floor. The iron based photosynthetic bacteria back then had to do what they do today where ferrous iron seeps up from the sea floor. They have to live in the shade beneath the oxygenic photosynthetic community. The GREAT OXIDATION was facilitated by a thin mat of cyanobacteria dominating the high light zone at the sea water surface. At the same time the cyanobacteria mat dumped ferric iron on the sea floor, it blasted oxygen up into the atmosphere. I wasn't enough to bring the atmosphere to anything higher than low single digit percentages of oxygen, but it faciliated the oxidation of labile reductants in the continent(s). The lifeless continents would become home to enormous biomass of underground chemoautotrophic bacteria. The presence of even very low concentrations of oxygen in the atmosphere opened up dozens of niches for bacteria to use dozens of different reductants. As atmospheric oxygen supported the great oxidation of the minerals along the underground flow paths of the continents, it began to supply a wide variety of terminal electron acceptors to the sea that could be used by bacteria to oxidize the organic carbon of the sea floor. Arsenate, borate, phosphate, selenate, molybdate, selenate, vanadate, nitrate,.. and the list goes on. The sea floor organic carbon would now be subjected to oxidation by a wild mix of terminal electron acceptors of varying strength. There was enough oxygen in the atmosphere to cause big chemical changes to the continents. But there was SO DAMN MUCH ferrous iron in the sea water, it would take nearly 1000 million more years of cyanobacteria on the surface mat producing oxygen before the ferrous iron all got oxidized. FINALLY it would be possible for there to be enough free oxygen in sea water support the Cambrian Explosion. |
18-04-2025 23:48 | |
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sealover wrote: True but can you provide more details? IBdaMann claims that Gold is a molecule, and that the last ice age never happened because I was not there to see it. The only conclusion that can be drawn from this is that IBdaMann is clearly not using enough LSD. According to CDC/Government info, people who were vaccinated are now DYING at a higher rate than non-vaccinated people, which exposes the covid vaccines as the poison that they are, this is now fully confirmed by the terrorist CDC This place is quieter than the FBI commenting on the chink bank account information on Hunter Xiden's laptop I LOVE TRUMP BECAUSE HE PISSES OFF ALL THE PEOPLE THAT I CAN'T STAND. ULTRA MAGA "Being unwanted, unloved, uncared for, forgotten by everybody, I think that is a much greater hunger, a much greater poverty than the person who has nothing to eat." MOTHER THERESA OF CALCUTTA So why is helping to hide the murder of an American president patriotic? ![]() Sonia makes me so proud to be a dumb white boy ![]() Now be honest, was I correct or was I correct? LOL |
RE: A state factor model for genesis of banded iron formations19-04-2025 18:50 | |
sealover★★★★☆ (1794) |
I had the incredible honor of knowing Dr. Hans Jenny when I was at UC Berkeley. He was to soil science what Darwin was to biology. What Newton was to physics. What Pasteur was to medical science. A giant. He helped a lot of farmers by figuring out that dry ammonia could be adsorbed to the soil. He helped a lot of soil scientists understand the thermodynamically predictable properties that soils acquire under the influence of quantifiable state factors. I wish Hans Jenny were still alive so I could share this with him. It is kind of like "state factors" of soil formation applied to the genesis of banded iron formation. My next step right now for this is to try to pull a Hans Jenny with the banded iron formations. Banded iron formations have thermodynamically predictable properties acquired under the influence of quantifiable state factors. For soil, Hans Jenny noticed that ORGANISMS play a pretty important role. Obviously, the presence or absence of living organisms would be an important state factor to consider in the genesis of banded iron formations. Who was there to synthesize organic carbon? Who was there to oxidize organic carbon? For soil, Hans Jenny noticed that the physical and chemical properties of the soil PARENT MATERIAL were an important state factor to consider. The parent material for banded iron formations is sea water. Which reductants were present? How much? Which terminal electron acceptors were present? How much? What are the thermodynamically predictable properties that will be found in the sediment deposited with such organisms present or absent, with such reductants present or absent, or with such terminal electron acceptors present or absent? I think it would PREDICT what you should find in the different layers of the banded iron formations. What is actually NEW and DIFFERENT about this model for the genesis of banded iron formations? The INTRACELLULAR PHOTOOXIDATION hypothesis as the explanation for the origin of photosynthesis. Photosynthesis takes in reductants from the environment and, via intracellular photooxidation, generates oxidized waste products - oxygen, nitrate, ferric iron(III), arsenic(V) arsenate, sulfate, or water. It originally evolved as a way to the exploit energy rich reductant, hydrogen, readily available from the environment. And to do so despite the scarcity of terminal electron acceptors (oxidants) available in the water. The EXPANDING PHOTOSYSTEM OXIDATION CAPACITY hypothesis as the explanation for how anoxygenic photosynthetic bacteria were able to exploit reductants WEAKER than hydrogen, readily available in the environment The first photosynthetic bacteria exploited the energy from hydrogen available in the environment by employing intracellular photooxidation. An atom such as manganese could be photooxidized within the cell, from manganese(II) to manganese(IV). Manganese(IV) acts as terminal electron acceptor to oxidize the hydrogen and become manganese(II) again. Photooxidize and repeat. The first photosystem employed low end ultraviolet light using only the most rudimentary light harvesting apparatus. Low end UV could not penetrate very deeply into the hydrogen rich water. To exploit the hydrogen beyond the shallowest water, the light harvesting apparatus expanded to be able to use light of longer wavelenths for intracellular photooxidation. Blue light and even red light. The same expansion photosystem oxidation capacity to use high energy reductant in low light would eventually make it possible to exploit low energy reductants in high light. The RHYHMICALLY VIBRATING CRUST hypothesis as the explanation for the consistent intervals in the spacing of "microbanded" banded iron formations, the most ancient of them all. 4000 million years ago the Earth's crust was thin and flexible, belching out gas and steam on a frequent, regular schedule. Like the Old Faithful geyser at Yellowstone, with bursts of gas and steam coming out with a consistent rhythm. The microbanded layers were once called "annual varves" because the uncanny regularity of the spacing suggested a regular annual cycle, over many years. Reductant rich steam pulsed through the Earth's veins underneath its thin skin. The pace of the Earth's heart beat 4000 million years ago is recorded in the spacing between between the layers of the microbanded iron formations. The SEQUENTIAL REDUCTANT DEPLETION hypothesis as the explanation for the sequence of photosynthetic community succession recorded in the banded iron formations. As hydrogen gas from the most recent burst of geothermal activity floated off into outer space, its concentration rapidly diminished in sea water. The hydrogen gravy train was a short lived ride. While it was there, anoxygenic photosynthetic bacteria using hydrogen as reductant had the competitive advantage, using the strongest available reductant. After a time, following the cessation of vulcanism, hydrogen is too depleted to support them anymore, so the competitive advantage goes to the photosynthetic community that can use the next strongest reductant - hydrogen sulfide. And so on, when the sulfide is depleted, the next strongest reductant will be selectively consumed from the water by photosynthetic bacteria. The PHOTOSYNTHETIC COMMUNITY SUCCESSION hypothesis as the explanation for the chemistry of the banded iron formations. The first wave of photosynthetic community succession were the bacteria that could use hydrogen as reductant for photosynthesis. They got the most bang for the buck from sunlight and could outgrow competitors who used any other reductant. Using hydrogen as reductant, the oxidized waste product of photosynthesis is water. This highly productive photosynthetic community rained organic carbon down to the sea floor. There were very few terminal electrons acceptors around to use to oxidize organic carbon. And photosynthesis wasn't producing any oxidants. Pure organic carbon material remained on the sea floor unoxidized. It later fossilized into pure chert as all the organic carbon was replaced by silica. The next community in the succession, after hydrogen was depleted left a very different chemical fingerprint on the sea floor. Sulfur based anoxygenic photosynthesis generates sulfate as the oxidized product. Sulfate can be used as a terminal electron acceptor by bacteria to oxidize organic carbon. Sulfate reduction transforms organic carbon into inorganic carbon, as carbonate. It also produces iron pyrite while its at it. This photosynthetic community rained organic carbon on to the sea floor, but it also put sulfate in the water, which led to the formation of iron pyrite and carbonate in the sea floor. This would NOT fossilize into pure chert. And so on with each successive photosynthetic community, putting out a different oxidized product from its photosynthesis, leaving its unique chemical fingerprint in the sea floor. The SYMBIOTIC ALLELOPATHIC OXIDATION hypothesis as the explanation for the ability of cyanobacteria to dominate a narrow zone at the surface while anoxygenic photosynthesis was excluded to the shade beneath them. With so much ferrous iron in sea water at the time, cyanobacteria couldn't possibly compete with the iron based anoxygenic photosynthetic bacteria. Cyanobacteria just couldn't get as much bang for the buck from sunlight. Cyanobacteria partnered with iron oxidizing bacteria, to whom they provided exclusive access to the strong oxidant the generated as waste product. A very thin layer of them on the surface could create an exclusion zone depleted of ferrous iron. Their faster growing competitors couldn't compete at all without enough ferrous iron in the water. Unlike ferrous iron, ferric iron is insoluble in sea water, so it precipitated out of solution and fell to the sea floor. The iron based photosynthetic bacteria back then had to do what they do today where ferrous iron seeps up from the sea floor. They have to live in the shade beneath the oxygenic photosynthetic community. The GREAT OXIDATION was facilitated by a thin mat of cyanobacteria dominating the high light zone at the sea water surface. At the same time the cyanobacteria mat dumped ferric iron on the sea floor, it blasted oxygen up into the atmosphere. I wasn't enough to bring the atmosphere to anything higher than low single digit percentages of oxygen, but it faciliated the oxidation of labile reductants in the continent(s). The lifeless continents would become home to enormous biomass of underground chemoautotrophic bacteria. The presence of even very low concentrations of oxygen in the atmosphere opened up dozens of niches for bacteria to use dozens of different reductants. As atmospheric oxygen supported the great oxidation of the minerals along the underground flow paths of the continents, it began to supply a wide variety of terminal electron acceptors to the sea that could be used by bacteria to oxidize the organic carbon of the sea floor. Arsenate, borate, phosphate, selenate, molybdate, selenate, vanadate, nitrate,.. and the list goes on. The sea floor organic carbon would now be subjected to oxidation by a wild mix of terminal electron acceptors of varying strength. There was enough oxygen in the atmosphere to cause big chemical changes to the continents. But there was SO DAMN MUCH ferrous iron in the sea water, it would take nearly 1000 million more years of cyanobacteria on the surface mat producing oxygen before the ferrous iron all got oxidized. FINALLY it would be possible for there to be enough free oxygen in sea water support the Cambrian Explosion. |
19-04-2025 22:30 | |
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sealover wrote: Again that may be true but we need more information. IBdaMann claims that Gold is a molecule, and that the last ice age never happened because I was not there to see it. The only conclusion that can be drawn from this is that IBdaMann is clearly not using enough LSD. According to CDC/Government info, people who were vaccinated are now DYING at a higher rate than non-vaccinated people, which exposes the covid vaccines as the poison that they are, this is now fully confirmed by the terrorist CDC This place is quieter than the FBI commenting on the chink bank account information on Hunter Xiden's laptop I LOVE TRUMP BECAUSE HE PISSES OFF ALL THE PEOPLE THAT I CAN'T STAND. ULTRA MAGA "Being unwanted, unloved, uncared for, forgotten by everybody, I think that is a much greater hunger, a much greater poverty than the person who has nothing to eat." MOTHER THERESA OF CALCUTTA So why is helping to hide the murder of an American president patriotic? ![]() Sonia makes me so proud to be a dumb white boy ![]() Now be honest, was I correct or was I correct? LOL |
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