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One in eight billion06-01-2020 17:29
johnjeff
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I'm very ordinary, I go to work, come home and watch the news, get depressed at what I see going on around me and especially all the TALK about climate change. One thing that seems obvious to me is that by the time our politicians take action it will be too late. It strikes me that if we are being realistic about the rate of change were experiencing, we have to do a bit more than recycle our rubbish and eat less meat. I have an idea which if implemented would save literally millions of tons of Carbon, reduce air pollution markedly and save on other resources. Usually this would mean some radical action which would impact on commerce or cost a fortune or take years to implement. Believe it or not, there is virtually no downside, it would cost very little, take less than a year and have no negative impact on society and only a small impact on Business.
The change I propose isn't revolutionary, its probably just something you haven't thought about but like most changes it needs a kick start and that's reason I'm writing. I'm looking for some help, a few hours, days at the most, in your spare time. If you've read this far, you probably realise that I am not blessed with writing skills and so I could do with help from someone good at getting a point across on paper. Part of my plan would require setting up a fund raising page to pay for an advertisement and so help from someone with experience on this front would be great.

thanks for reading

John
06-01-2020 18:41
IBdaMannProfile picture★★★★★
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johnjeff wrote: It strikes me that if we are being realistic about the rate of change were experiencing, we have to do a bit more than recycle our rubbish and eat less meat.

Would you mind writing a short paragraph clarifying / specifying this change you are experiencing?

Would you mind writing another short paragraph explaining what recycling and red meat consumption have to do with the change, and rate thereof, described in the preceding paragraph?

If either of these paragraphs has anything to do with the global climate, please provide a quick but unambiguous definition of this global climate.

johnjeff wrote: I have an idea which if implemented would save literally millions of tons of Carbon, reduce air pollution markedly and save on other resources.

I'm good with gold and frankincense, but you can forget the myrrh next time.

I'm good with reducing air pollution and resource requirements, but why on earth would you want to save carbon? How about you just toss that one and focus on the others.

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A Spaghetti strainer with the faucet running, retains water- tmiddles

Clouds don't trap heat. Clouds block cold. - Spongy Iris

Printing dollars to pay debt doesn't increase the number of dollars. - keepit

If Venus were a black body it would have a much much lower temperature than what we found there.- tmiddles

Ah the "Valid Data" myth of ITN/IBD. - tmiddles

Ceist - I couldn't agree with you more. But when money and religion are involved, and there are people who value them above all else, then the lies begin. - trafn

You are completely misunderstanding their use of the word "accumulation"! - Climate Scientist.

The Stefan-Boltzman equation doesn't come up with the correct temperature if greenhouse gases are not considered - Hank

:*sigh* Not the "raw data" crap. - Leafsdude

IB STILL hasn't explained what Planck's Law means. Just more hand waving that it applies to everything and more asserting that the greenhouse effect 'violates' it.- Ceist
06-01-2020 18:45
johnjeff
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There are always people who would prefer to debate rather than act.
06-01-2020 18:51
HarveyH55
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johnjeff wrote:
I'm very ordinary, I go to work, come home and watch the news, get depressed at what I see going on around me and especially all the TALK about climate change. One thing that seems obvious to me is that by the time our politicians take action it will be too late. It strikes me that if we are being realistic about the rate of change were experiencing, we have to do a bit more than recycle our rubbish and eat less meat. I have an idea which if implemented would save literally millions of tons of Carbon, reduce air pollution markedly and save on other resources. Usually this would mean some radical action which would impact on commerce or cost a fortune or take years to implement. Believe it or not, there is virtually no downside, it would cost very little, take less than a year and have no negative impact on society and only a small impact on Business.
The change I propose isn't revolutionary, its probably just something you haven't thought about but like most changes it needs a kick start and that's reason I'm writing. I'm looking for some help, a few hours, days at the most, in your spare time. If you've read this far, you probably realise that I am not blessed with writing skills and so I could do with help from someone good at getting a point across on paper. Part of my plan would require setting up a fund raising page to pay for an advertisement and so help from someone with experience on this front would be great.

thanks for reading

John


Climate Change is really about redistribution of wealth and political power. You'll have to get in a long line, if you hope to grab a little of that wealth for yourself. Politicians mostly talk-the-talk, for votes, but aren't going to do anything beyond symbolic, because they like their jobs, and don't want to be redistributed, along with their wealth. If any of those rich, and influential people selling climate change (socialism). actually cared, you see them going green, to the extreme, not flying around the world in private jets. Basically, the just use climate change, for free publicity.

Even us regular folks, get defensive, when someone starts up the carbon-tax talk. It's a bad thing all around, even if it only is targeting our wealthy employers. That putting our jobs at risk, raises, bonuses, benefits. We would also expect prices of products and services to increase, to offset the greater operating costs.

We are already past the point of stopping it, unless the moved the date again. Last I heard, is they can only hope to slow it down a little, buy some more time. Not sure how long, or why, guess they haven't figured it out yet, or doesn't matter.

I live in Florida, socialism scares me more than hurricanes.
06-01-2020 19:03
IBdaMannProfile picture★★★★★
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johnjeff wrote: There are always people who would prefer to debate rather than act.

Quadriplegics, perhaps?


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A Spaghetti strainer with the faucet running, retains water- tmiddles

Clouds don't trap heat. Clouds block cold. - Spongy Iris

Printing dollars to pay debt doesn't increase the number of dollars. - keepit

If Venus were a black body it would have a much much lower temperature than what we found there.- tmiddles

Ah the "Valid Data" myth of ITN/IBD. - tmiddles

Ceist - I couldn't agree with you more. But when money and religion are involved, and there are people who value them above all else, then the lies begin. - trafn

You are completely misunderstanding their use of the word "accumulation"! - Climate Scientist.

The Stefan-Boltzman equation doesn't come up with the correct temperature if greenhouse gases are not considered - Hank

:*sigh* Not the "raw data" crap. - Leafsdude

IB STILL hasn't explained what Planck's Law means. Just more hand waving that it applies to everything and more asserting that the greenhouse effect 'violates' it.- Ceist
06-01-2020 19:34
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johnjeff wrote:
I'm very ordinary, I go to work, come home and watch the news, get depressed at what I see going on around me and especially all the TALK about climate change. One thing that seems obvious to me is that by the time our politicians take action it will be too late.

The first thing you have to do is define 'climate change'. Meaningless buzzwords have no time frame.
johnjeff wrote:
It strikes me that if we are being realistic about the rate of change were experiencing, we have to do a bit more than recycle our rubbish and eat less meat.

Meat is part of a healthy diet. What do you have against cattle, pig, and chicken ranchers?
johnjeff wrote:
I have an idea which if implemented would save literally millions of tons of Carbon,

Carbon is saved. No significant amount of carbon has ever left Earth.
johnjeff wrote:
reduce air pollution markedly

Define 'air pollution'.
johnjeff wrote:
and save on other resources.

Describe these 'resources'.
johnjeff wrote:
Usually this would mean some radical action which would impact on commerce or cost a fortune or take years to implement. Believe it or not, there is virtually no downside, it would cost very little, take less than a year and have no negative impact on society and only a small impact on Business.

Putting a business OUT of business to satisfy a religion is a pretty significant impact.
johnjeff wrote:
The change I propose isn't revolutionary, its probably just something you haven't thought about but like most changes it needs a kick start and that's reason I'm writing. I'm looking for some help, a few hours, days at the most, in your spare time. If you've read this far, you probably realise that I am not blessed with writing skills and so I could do with help from someone good at getting a point across on paper. Part of my plan would require setting up a fund raising page to pay for an advertisement and so help from someone with experience on this front would be great.

thanks for reading

John


Void argument. What change are you proposing?


The Parrot Killer

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Google keeps track of paranoid talk and i'm not on their list. I've been evaluated and certified. - keepit
06-01-2020 19:55
johnjeff
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Void argument? I'm not arguing
06-01-2020 20:49
IBdaMannProfile picture★★★★★
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johnjeff wrote: Void argument? I'm not arguing

An "argument" is a point that you are making (and supporting). It is your thesis statement. The comment means you are ranting without making a relevant point.

All this means is that you apparently got carried away in a particular train of thought and drifted away from your main point. Just review what you wrote and clarify, making sure to tie it to your main point.


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A Spaghetti strainer with the faucet running, retains water- tmiddles

Clouds don't trap heat. Clouds block cold. - Spongy Iris

Printing dollars to pay debt doesn't increase the number of dollars. - keepit

If Venus were a black body it would have a much much lower temperature than what we found there.- tmiddles

Ah the "Valid Data" myth of ITN/IBD. - tmiddles

Ceist - I couldn't agree with you more. But when money and religion are involved, and there are people who value them above all else, then the lies begin. - trafn

You are completely misunderstanding their use of the word "accumulation"! - Climate Scientist.

The Stefan-Boltzman equation doesn't come up with the correct temperature if greenhouse gases are not considered - Hank

:*sigh* Not the "raw data" crap. - Leafsdude

IB STILL hasn't explained what Planck's Law means. Just more hand waving that it applies to everything and more asserting that the greenhouse effect 'violates' it.- Ceist
06-01-2020 21:02
johnjeff
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Whereas an internet troll is a person who has little better to do than start quarrels or on the Internet to distract and sow discord by posting inflammatory and digressive, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community (such as a newsgroup, forum, chat room, or blog) with the intent of provoking readers into displaying ...
07-01-2020 18:04
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johnjeff wrote:
Void argument? I'm not arguing


Correct. A void argument is a fallacy and is not a valid argument.

Failing to present valid arguments when you post is just wasting your time.


The Parrot Killer

Debunked in my sig. - tmiddles

Google keeps track of paranoid talk and i'm not on their list. I've been evaluated and certified. - keepit
07-01-2020 18:05
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johnjeff wrote:
Whereas an internet troll is a person who has little better to do than start quarrels or on the Internet to distract and sow discord by posting inflammatory and digressive, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community (such as a newsgroup, forum, chat room, or blog) with the intent of provoking readers into displaying ...


Yet Another Lame Insult Fallacy, No Argument Presented (YALIFNAP).


The Parrot Killer

Debunked in my sig. - tmiddles

Google keeps track of paranoid talk and i'm not on their list. I've been evaluated and certified. - keepit
07-01-2020 18:10
johnjeff
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You really are thick and arrogant.
08-01-2020 03:54
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If I help you will you throw a tank of gas in my truck? She's REALLY sucking it down hard in this COLD weather!
08-01-2020 05:28
IBdaMannProfile picture★★★★★
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GasGuzzler wrote: If I help you will you throw a tank of gas in my truck? She's REALLY sucking it down hard in this COLD weather!

It turns out that all of this Global Warming is baking the streets full of black ice and depositing solid water everywhere ... such that I get to work from home tomorrow.

I'm thinking that it must be Greenhouse Effect that is causing the temperature inside my house to be so much warmer than the temperature outside ... or it might be my central heating.


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A Spaghetti strainer with the faucet running, retains water- tmiddles

Clouds don't trap heat. Clouds block cold. - Spongy Iris

Printing dollars to pay debt doesn't increase the number of dollars. - keepit

If Venus were a black body it would have a much much lower temperature than what we found there.- tmiddles

Ah the "Valid Data" myth of ITN/IBD. - tmiddles

Ceist - I couldn't agree with you more. But when money and religion are involved, and there are people who value them above all else, then the lies begin. - trafn

You are completely misunderstanding their use of the word "accumulation"! - Climate Scientist.

The Stefan-Boltzman equation doesn't come up with the correct temperature if greenhouse gases are not considered - Hank

:*sigh* Not the "raw data" crap. - Leafsdude

IB STILL hasn't explained what Planck's Law means. Just more hand waving that it applies to everything and more asserting that the greenhouse effect 'violates' it.- Ceist
08-01-2020 05:34
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IBdaMann wrote:
GasGuzzler wrote: If I help you will you throw a tank of gas in my truck? She's REALLY sucking it down hard in this COLD weather!

It turns out that all of this Global Warming is baking the streets full of black ice and depositing solid water everywhere ... such that I get to work from home tomorrow.

I'm thinking that it must be Greenhouse Effect that is causing the temperature inside my house to be so much warmer than the temperature outside ... or it might be my central heating.


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I think it depends on window and skylight square footage relative to the homes carbon footprint....and yes, the size of your modem does matter.


gasguzzler, calling the jet stream the "Norwegian jet stream" is a bigoted statement. -James-
08-01-2020 05:50
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johnjeff wrote:
You really are thick and arrogant.
Johnjeff they are our resident Trolls. They view themselves as guard dogs protecting the world from this debate. They want you to give up and go home.
08-01-2020 06:41
James___
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GasGuzzler wrote:
If I help you will you throw a tank of gas in my truck? She's REALLY sucking it down hard in this COLD weather!


You need a bottle to get your boyfriend in the mood? Is that what you're saying?
Is that what you call "ice fishing"? 2 guys on ice.....kids might be watching, sorry.
08-01-2020 06:45
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GasGuzzler wrote:
IBdaMann wrote:
GasGuzzler wrote: If I help you will you throw a tank of gas in my truck? She's REALLY sucking it down hard in this COLD weather!

It turns out that all of this Global Warming is baking the streets full of black ice and depositing solid water everywhere ... such that I get to work from home tomorrow.

I'm thinking that it must be Greenhouse Effect that is causing the temperature inside my house to be so much warmer than the temperature outside ... or it might be my central heating.


.


I think it depends on window and skylight square footage relative to the homes carbon footprint....and yes, the size of your modem does matter.


Rethinking my own explanation here and I believe I'm dead wrong.

If it's getting too warm in your home, it is likely a heat register proximity placement problem.

If the heat vents are too close to any glass or skylights, the greenhouse effect will re radiate heat, bouncing it off and back into the room, thereby raising the temperature higher than what it would "normally" be. A large modem is a positive feedback mechanism which creates even more digital climate forcings on the already stressed system.


gasguzzler, calling the jet stream the "Norwegian jet stream" is a bigoted statement. -James-
08-01-2020 06:52
James___
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GasGuzzler wrote:
GasGuzzler wrote:
IBdaMann wrote:
GasGuzzler wrote: If I help you will you throw a tank of gas in my truck? She's REALLY sucking it down hard in this COLD weather!

It turns out that all of this Global Warming is baking the streets full of black ice and depositing solid water everywhere ... such that I get to work from home tomorrow.

I'm thinking that it must be Greenhouse Effect that is causing the temperature inside my house to be so much warmer than the temperature outside ... or it might be my central heating.


.


I think it depends on window and skylight square footage relative to the homes carbon footprint....and yes, the size of your modem does matter.


Rethinking my own explanation here and I believe I'm dead wrong.

If it's getting too warm in your home, it is likely a heat register proximity placement problem.

If the heat vents are too close to any glass or skylights, the greenhouse effect will re radiate heat, bouncing it off and back into the room, thereby raising the temperature higher than what it would "normally" be. A large modem is a positive feedback mechanism which creates even more digital climate forcings on the already stressed system.



That's wrong from the word go. Windows and skylights will be the greatest source of heat loss in a home. Do they have R-19 in the walls? If so then how will windows and skylights increase warming? They won't.
I know, you're talking about during the summer when people use their air conditioners. So you are right after all. When people use air conditioners, windows and skylights can because of the greenhouse effect warm their homes.
That is an excellent observation by you GasGuzzler. And it is one that doesn't require an education. You Americans are so smart. Gosh, if only I could be an American then I could be a fart smeller, oops, a smart feller like you


BTW GasGuzzler, my father can say that an American woman got him drunk and took advantage of him. Do you agree? ie., is that what your mother did? Is that what American women do or was my American mother a whore?


Guzzler of what you like, I am in the wrong place. Enjoy your desires deep throat

Edited on 08-01-2020 07:22
08-01-2020 18:59
IBdaMannProfile picture★★★★★
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GasGuzzler wrote:If the heat vents are too close to any glass or skylights, the greenhouse effect will re radiate heat, bouncing it off and back into the room, thereby raising the temperature higher than what it would "normally" be. A large modem is a positive feedback mechanism which creates even more digital climate forcings on the already stressed system.


You have snatched the pebble from my hand; it is time for you to leave.





A Spaghetti strainer with the faucet running, retains water- tmiddles

Clouds don't trap heat. Clouds block cold. - Spongy Iris

Printing dollars to pay debt doesn't increase the number of dollars. - keepit

If Venus were a black body it would have a much much lower temperature than what we found there.- tmiddles

Ah the "Valid Data" myth of ITN/IBD. - tmiddles

Ceist - I couldn't agree with you more. But when money and religion are involved, and there are people who value them above all else, then the lies begin. - trafn

You are completely misunderstanding their use of the word "accumulation"! - Climate Scientist.

The Stefan-Boltzman equation doesn't come up with the correct temperature if greenhouse gases are not considered - Hank

:*sigh* Not the "raw data" crap. - Leafsdude

IB STILL hasn't explained what Planck's Law means. Just more hand waving that it applies to everything and more asserting that the greenhouse effect 'violates' it.- Ceist




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