Olympics and Climate Marxism

IBdaMann wrote:

Spongy Iris wrote: But according to you, Khelif and Yu-Ting are secretly males.

Not secretly. Overtly. The IBA let that cat out of the bag and now the world, to include you, is aware that both Khelif and Yu-Ting are males with XY chromosomes.

Senator Claire Chandler from Tasmania is Recognized

Spongy Iris wrote:Well now that you have Claire Chandler on your side, it's only a matter of time before the tide turns, no doubt.

Spongy Iris wrote: I'm still holding my breath waiting for the arrests of Khelif and Yu-Ting.

IBdaMann wrote:

Spongy Iris wrote:Well now that you have Claire Chandler on your side, it's only a matter of time before the tide turns, no doubt.

It's not so much a turning of the tide as it is the avalanche falling.

Spongy Iris wrote: I'm still holding my breath waiting for the arrests of Khelif and Yu-Ting.

Your sticking of your head in the sand doesn't conceal your sickness. Your pivots won't convince anyone.

Spongy Iris wrote:
Hey Jack ass,

gfm7175 wrote:

Spongy Iris wrote:
Hey Jack ass,

@IbdaMann -- You've made Spongy angry now...

Spongy Iris wrote: Hey Jack ass, the IBA's evidence is about as convincing as the false cover Sputnik launch.

Spongy Iris wrote: I do not have any doubt Khelif and Yu-Ting are female.

IBdaMann wrote:

Spongy Iris wrote: Hey Jack ass, the IBA's evidence is about as convincing as the false cover Sputnik launch.

Let's see, two blood tests at independent labs, verifying their XY chromosomes.

Hmmmm. You find that unconvincing?

Spongy Iris wrote: I do not have any doubt Khelif and Yu-Ting are female.

You have no doubt that two XY chromosome-confirmed men are female. You are brilliant.

Spongy Iris wrote: Conflicted witness.

Spongy Iris wrote: But I'm not going to accuse these 2 ladies of being gentlemen,

Spongy Iris wrote: nor play secret word games about the definition of Woman.

Spongy Iris wrote:

IBdaMann wrote:

Spongy Iris wrote: Hey Jack ass, the IBA's evidence is about as convincing as the false cover Sputnik launch.

Let's see, two blood tests at independent labs, verifying their XY chromosomes.

Hmmmm. You find that unconvincing?

Spongy Iris wrote: I do not have any doubt Khelif and Yu-Ting are female.

You have no doubt that two XY chromosome-confirmed men are female. You are brilliant.

Conflicted witness. Probably pushing some kind of lie or half baked truth or just foolish to believe they know it all about biology.

Hey look I can agree with you, the fights looked like God pounding on Man..

But I'm not going to accuse these 2 ladies of being gentlemen, nor play secret word games about the definition of Woman.

Into the Night wrote:

Spongy Iris wrote:

IBdaMann wrote:

Spongy Iris wrote: Hey Jack ass, the IBA's evidence is about as convincing as the false cover Sputnik launch.

Let's see, two blood tests at independent labs, verifying their XY chromosomes.

Hmmmm. You find that unconvincing?

Spongy Iris wrote: I do not have any doubt Khelif and Yu-Ting are female.

You have no doubt that two XY chromosome-confirmed men are female. You are brilliant.

Conflicted witness. Probably pushing some kind of lie or half baked truth or just foolish to believe they know it all about biology.

Hey look I can agree with you, the fights looked like God pounding on Man..

But I'm not going to accuse these 2 ladies of being gentlemen, nor play secret word games about the definition of Woman.

You are playing word games. It is no secret.

IBdaMann wrote:

Spongy Iris wrote: Conflicted witness.

An independent lab conducting a blind blood test is somehow a conflicted witness?

... and you are certain that men with XY chromosomes are female?

At least you're not reaching.

Spongy Iris wrote: But I'm not going to accuse these 2 ladies of being gentlemen,

These men have XY chromosomes, which they have had since they began forming in the womb.

Spongy Iris wrote: nor play secret word games about the definition of Woman.

The defining attributes of men and women are not secret. Men have XY chromosomes and women XX chromosomes. There are no other biological definitions.

Spongy Iris wrote: Here we go on the merry go round again.

Spongy Iris wrote: XY chromosome female gives birth to 2 children, unassisted pregnancies.

IBdaMann wrote:

Spongy Iris wrote: Here we go on the merry go round again.

Nope. You simply didn't read it.

Spongy Iris wrote: XY chromosome female gives birth to 2 children, unassisted pregnancies.

I realize that's what you desperately want it to say. Unfortunately it reads entirely differently, if you actually read it for comprehension.

A woman gave birth. She has XX chromosomes ... except for her skin and ovaries, which developed XY chromosomes due to a genetic disorder.

Her children include males, of the Imane Khelif type, who do not have developed genetalia and who cannot have children.


You were thrown off by the article's misgendering of the son as an "XY daughter" and using female pronouns.

Spongy Iris wrote: So you admit this is an example of XY chromosomes in the skin and ovaries of a female who gave birth to 2 children.

Spongy Iris wrote: Your biological definition of a woman is not absolute.

Spongy Iris wrote: Are you now ready to conclude the argument?

Spongy Iris wrote:

Into the Night wrote:

Spongy Iris wrote:

IBdaMann wrote:

Spongy Iris wrote: Hey Jack ass, the IBA's evidence is about as convincing as the false cover Sputnik launch.

Let's see, two blood tests at independent labs, verifying their XY chromosomes.

Hmmmm. You find that unconvincing?

Spongy Iris wrote: I do not have any doubt Khelif and Yu-Ting are female.

You have no doubt that two XY chromosome-confirmed men are female. You are brilliant.

Conflicted witness. Probably pushing some kind of lie or half baked truth or just foolish to believe they know it all about biology.

Hey look I can agree with you, the fights looked like God pounding on Man..

But I'm not going to accuse these 2 ladies of being gentlemen, nor play secret word games about the definition of Woman.

You are playing word games. It is no secret.

It's called a conversation. You should try it some time instead of breaking apart words like a kidnapper writing a ransom note.

IBdaMann wrote:

Spongy Iris wrote: So you admit this is an example of XY chromosomes in the skin and ovaries of a female who gave birth to 2 children.

I don't really know. What I do know is the following:

1. You lied about what the article read
2. For some reason, the authors of the article happen to adhere to the WOKE agenda, as you do, and place that political agenda above the integrity of the medical information they seek to share, compromising the entire article.

Whereas I don't know what to believe in that article, beyond the intention to push an agenda, I do see that you are totally irrational and dishonest on this subject.

To answer your question, I can certainly entertain the possibility that a woman nonetheless developed skin and ovaries with XY chromosomes. Further, I can see how any disorder that causes that to happen to a woman's ovaries can cause terrible detriment to offspring resulting from those ovaries, e.g. male offspring with unformed genetalia. Sure. We can discuss such possibilities.

However, such abnormalities don't create a new gender. It is wrong to refer to a male with a defect as an "XY female."

Spongy Iris wrote: Your biological definition of a woman is not absolute.

Yes, it absolutely is.

Spongy Iris wrote: Are you now ready to conclude the argument?

It ended years ago, but perhaps you missed it.

Please watch this video and let me know what part(s) you find to be mistaken, and with what part(s) you disagree.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8YMhkweABfQ

Joana Nwamerue claimed that she was approached by teammates of Khelif's and that the newly crowned gold medalist had been "biologically altered" by her environment.

Khelif's team mates said she is a woman and just lives high in the mountains with her relatives and parents and so there may be a change in her testosterone or chromosomes and the like.... I think we played three-to-four sparring sessions. I have a record of everything. I can confirm that this is a man to me. Male power. Men's techniques, everything.

Spongy Iris wrote: The article said a female with xy chromosomes gave birth to 2 babies unassisted.

Spongy Iris wrote: This is just to show it is possible for a female to test positive for xy chromosomes.

Spongy Iris wrote: I have no idea what Khelif's and Yu-Ting's circumstances are

Spongy Iris wrote: For you to state that Khelif is just like the son in the study, again shows you display omniscience fallacy.

Spongy Iris wrote: This topic is speculative,

Spongy Iris wrote: Furthermore, you assert that there is some grand cultural agenda behind this event.

Spongy Iris wrote: That qualifies you as a conspiracy theorist.

Spongy Iris wrote: Yet you consistently deny being a conspiracy theorist. Why can't you own it?

IBdaMann wrote:

Spongy Iris wrote: The article said a female with xy chromosomes gave birth to 2 babies unassisted.

You are making a lie by omission. The female had XX chromosomes in her blood and everywhere she had no genetic disorders, but had XY chromosomes in the skin and ovaries due to genetic disorders.

The female had XX chromosomes. Fact.

Spongy Iris wrote: This is just to show it is possible for a female to test positive for xy chromosomes.

... in some organs/glands, but not in her blood and not in any normally developed organs and glands. You can't omit that part.

Spongy Iris wrote: I have no idea what Khelif's and Yu-Ting's circumstances are

Liar. Yes you do.

Spongy Iris wrote: For you to state that Khelif is just like the son in the study, again shows you display omniscience fallacy.

You were the one who presented the example. The omniscience fallacy is yours.

Spongy Iris wrote: This topic is speculative,

The biology is not speculative.

Spongy Iris wrote: Furthermore, you assert that there is some grand cultural agenda behind this event.

Are you talking about WOKE? That's an observation, not some mere unsupported claim. The world listened to the IOC President's lame justification for allowing men into the women's games.

Spongy Iris wrote: That qualifies you as a conspiracy theorist.

Nope. What qualifies me as a conspiracy theorist is that I fully recognize that humans conspire every day all over the world. Tell me, why do you deny it? I'll tell you right now that such denial makes you a moron.

Spongy Iris wrote: Yet you consistently deny being a conspiracy theorist. Why can't you own it?

Show me where I even once denied that humans conspire or issue me an apology.

Spongy Iris wrote: You're spread thin,

Spongy Iris wrote: I just provided a generalized fact to show it is possible for a female to have xy chromosomes.

Spongy Iris wrote: We don't know how this happened in Khelif and in Yu Ting do we?

Spongy Iris wrote: There was no lie that males were allowed to compete in female boxing.

Spongy Iris wrote: You're lying by calling these 2 ladies gentlemen.

IBdaMann wrote:

Spongy Iris wrote: You're spread thin,

So, you're not going to apologize?

Spongy Iris wrote: I just provided a generalized fact to show it is possible for a female to have xy chromosomes.

You used misleading weasel-wording to omit the fact that the woman had XX chromosomes, because your overarching purpose is to be dishonest. You didn't say that she had some XY chromosomes, you said only that she had XY chromosomes. You lied by omission.

Spongy Iris wrote: We don't know how this happened in Khelif and in Yu Ting do we?

Yes, we do. An enzyme deficiency caused their male genetalia to not develop, causing them to be misgendered at birth by doctors/nurses/midwives who filled out the birth certificate as "female" based on the absence of a penis, leading to the dishonest people of the world (e.g. you, the press, the Olympic committee, WOKE people, et. al.) to assert that they were "born female," causing the unimaginable tragedy of the boys being taken home and raised as girls, leading to the dishonest people of the world (e.g. you, the press, the Olympic committee, WOKE people, et. al.) to assert that they "always self-identified as female," leading to a horrifically traumatic realization upon reaching puberty that forced these men to tragically seek alternate gender affirmation by competing in women's sports.

Spongy Iris wrote: There was no lie that males were allowed to compete in female boxing.

... because it's not a lie.

Spongy Iris wrote: You're lying by calling these 2 ladies gentlemen.

Nope. You are lying by calling these men women.

Spongy Iris wrote: Your statements show you have no clue about Khelif's and Yu Ting's biology, other than trusting a claim that they have XY chromosomes, by the IBA.

Spongy Iris wrote: You're over-reaching by diagnosing them medically. You're spread thin.

Spongy Iris wrote: If your opinion is proven to be true, it means I can expect the arrests of Khelif and Yu Ting.

IBdaMann wrote:

Spongy Iris wrote: Your statements show you have no clue about Khelif's and Yu Ting's biology, other than trusting a claim that they have XY chromosomes, by the IBA.

You backed yourself into a corner whereby you will not admit that you cannot be honest with yourself, much less with anyone else.

Spongy Iris wrote: You're over-reaching by diagnosing them medically. You're spread thin.

You are projecting. You cannot reconcile the lies you are telling yourself. I feel sorry for you.

Spongy Iris wrote: If your opinion is proven to be true, it means I can expect the arrests of Khelif and Yu Ting.

Your coping mechanism is to characterize reality as the delusion. You pretend to "confirm" your self-delusion by pointing to the absence of FBI agents swarming in to arrest people. I truly pity you.

Spongy Iris wrote: There is simply not enough information to medically diagnose their anatomy.

IBdaMann wrote:

Spongy Iris wrote: There is simply not enough information to medically diagnose their anatomy.

No anatomy need by diagnosed. They are men with XY chromosomes.

Spongy Iris wrote: There is a conflict.

Spongy Iris wrote: The competitors, their parents, doctors, and state identities say female.

IBdaMann wrote:

Spongy Iris wrote: There is a conflict.

You just pivoted again. Conflict?

Spongy Iris wrote: The competitors, their parents, doctors, and state identities say female.

First, it doesn't matter who says what. Khelif and Yu-Ting are, in fact, male, because of their XY chromosomes. That put the period on this discussion before it started.

Second, competitors all say "male" and find it totally unacceptable.

Third, their parents and doctors imposed the most cruel of injustices on them by misgendering them at birth, and tragically condemning them to be raised as girls. Of course their parents treated them as females, and of course as children they thought they were girls. A terrible mistake on the part of parents and doctors does not transform boys into girls. Khelif and Yu-Ting were boys with XY chromosomes the entire time, and when they reached puberty, the confusion and mental anguish must have been unbearable.

You should probably respect the wishes of female athletes who don't want men to be allowed into women's sports, and you should grow a conscience that abhors the idea of men beating the shit out of women, not being delighted by it.

Spongy Iris wrote:This matter is not settled science.

IBdaMann wrote:

Spongy Iris wrote:This matter is not settled science.

It is.

Spongy Iris wrote: Again, if the matter is settled, where are the arrests?

IBdaMann wrote:

Spongy Iris wrote: Again, if the matter is settled, where are the arrests?

The two are not related.

You are struggling to maintain your self-delusion. Why?

Spongy Iris wrote: They indeed are related.

Spongy Iris wrote: It is not legal for men to compete in women's boxing.

Spongy Iris wrote: Any men found deceiving authorities to do this would be arrested.

Spongy Iris wrote: DNA tests are used to prosecute violent offenders frequently.

Spongy Iris wrote: Sounds like a slam dunk case to me!

IBdaMann wrote:

Spongy Iris wrote: They indeed are related.

They are not related.

Spongy Iris wrote: It is not legal for men to compete in women's boxing.

It is legal.

Spongy Iris wrote: Any men found deceiving authorities to do this would be arrested.

Subjunctive error. You don't get to claim that something that is not the case nonetheless somehow would be the case.

Spongy Iris wrote: DNA tests are used to prosecute violent offenders frequently.

Yes. Irrelevant.

Spongy Iris wrote: Sounds like a slam dunk case to me!

Nope. It's not illegal in the first place.

Spongy Iris wrote:

IBdaMann wrote:

Spongy Iris wrote: They indeed are related.

They are not related.

Spongy Iris wrote: It is not legal for men to compete in women's boxing.

It is legal.

Spongy Iris wrote: Any men found deceiving authorities to do this would be arrested.

Subjunctive error. You don't get to claim that something that is not the case nonetheless somehow would be the case.

Spongy Iris wrote: DNA tests are used to prosecute violent offenders frequently.

Yes. Irrelevant.

Spongy Iris wrote: Sounds like a slam dunk case to me!

Nope. It's not illegal in the first place.

At the Olympics, it is not legal for men to compete in women's boxing.

Spongy Iris wrote: At the Olympics, it is not legal for men to compete in women's boxing.

IBdaMann wrote:

Spongy Iris wrote: At the Olympics, it is not legal for men to compete in women's boxing.

It is entirely legal. The world watched it occur. The IOC declared the men to be women and allowed them to compete against women.

Spongy Iris wrote: Nope, you are declaring women to be men.

Spongy Iris wrote: Again, Algerian authorities would not tolerate ...

Spongy Iris wrote: Khelif's team mates vouched for her,

Spongy Iris wrote: They said she just trains and lives in the mountains with her family, and that may have resulted in a change in her chromosomes.

IBdaMann wrote:

Spongy Iris wrote: Nope, you are declaring women to be men.

Nope. I declare males to be those with XY chromosomes, i.e. per the definition, and females to be those with XX chromosomes, i.e. per the definition.

You, on the other hand, are declaring males, i.e. those with XY chromosomes, to be female.

Error, on your part.

Spongy Iris wrote: Again, Algerian authorities would not tolerate ...

You do not get to speak for what Algerian authorities would not tolerate, especially when they just finished "tolerating" it.

Spongy Iris wrote: Khelif's team mates vouched for her,

There is no such thing as "vouching" for someone having different chromosomes.

Spongy Iris wrote: They said she just trains and lives in the mountains with her family, and that may have resulted in a change in her chromosomes.

Living and training in the mountains cannot change one's chromosomes.

Spongy Iris wrote: Yet again you avoid the real topic behind this news story.

Spongy Iris wrote: Is there a particular reason why you are not addressing the "myth" about boxers improving their performance by quitting orgasms?

IBdaMann wrote:

Spongy Iris wrote: Yet again you avoid the real topic behind this news story.

... because it belongs in the other thread you created. You are simply derailing this discussion for an irrelevant topic.

Spongy Iris wrote: Is there a particular reason why you are not addressing the "myth" about boxers improving their performance by quitting orgasms?

Old wives tails are inappropriate in this thread.

Spongy Iris wrote:How else would a woman get XY chromosomes?