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Swan wrote:

HarveyH55 wrote:

Swan wrote:
Glad that you agree with the following

Solar energy is the most abundant energy resource on earth -- 173,000 terawatts of solar energy strikes the Earth continuously. That's more than 10,000 times the world's total energy use.

See you can still learn

Solar panels are less the 20% efficient at converting. There is marketing hype, and breakthrough research, claiming 30+, but that's in 'ideal', lab conditions. All that abundant solar energy, is also spread over a large surface area. Obviously, we can't cover the entire planet surface with solar panels. We need plants for food, which need solar energy, and also tend to cast shadows on solar panels... Cloud cover, and of course nighttime sort of reduce the amount of solar energy available to solar panels. There maybe a lot of potential solar energy available, but we can only utilize a small fraction of it. Solar panels degrade in the environment where they are used. Less the 20% is actually converted to electricity, the rest brutalizes the panel. Marketing estimates a 20+ years of production. Unfortunately, after 10 years, the panels have degraded significantly, and may no long produce sufficiently for the application. If you installed an 18 volt panel, to charge a 12 volt lead-acid battery. 10 years later, you probably won't get enough voltage to fully charge the battery, and cells in the battery die. You need larger panels, to compensate for degrading. The extra energy produced goes to waste, usually dissipated as heat.

Solar has it's uses, but mostly short term, temporary. You can get by on it for a while, but it's not a longterm solution.

LOL my post was about solar energy, not your flimsy solar panels.

Solar energy is the most abundant energy resource on earth -- 173,000 terawatts of solar energy strikes the Earth continuously. That's more than 10,000 times the world's total energy use.

Not that you could ever distinguish between a watt and 173,000 terawatts of continuous power

HarveyH55 wrote:

Swan wrote:

HarveyH55 wrote:

Swan wrote:
Glad that you agree with the following

Solar energy is the most abundant energy resource on earth -- 173,000 terawatts of solar energy strikes the Earth continuously. That's more than 10,000 times the world's total energy use.

See you can still learn

Solar panels are less the 20% efficient at converting. There is marketing hype, and breakthrough research, claiming 30+, but that's in 'ideal', lab conditions. All that abundant solar energy, is also spread over a large surface area. Obviously, we can't cover the entire planet surface with solar panels. We need plants for food, which need solar energy, and also tend to cast shadows on solar panels... Cloud cover, and of course nighttime sort of reduce the amount of solar energy available to solar panels. There maybe a lot of potential solar energy available, but we can only utilize a small fraction of it. Solar panels degrade in the environment where they are used. Less the 20% is actually converted to electricity, the rest brutalizes the panel. Marketing estimates a 20+ years of production. Unfortunately, after 10 years, the panels have degraded significantly, and may no long produce sufficiently for the application. If you installed an 18 volt panel, to charge a 12 volt lead-acid battery. 10 years later, you probably won't get enough voltage to fully charge the battery, and cells in the battery die. You need larger panels, to compensate for degrading. The extra energy produced goes to waste, usually dissipated as heat.

Solar has it's uses, but mostly short term, temporary. You can get by on it for a while, but it's not a longterm solution.

LOL my post was about solar energy, not your flimsy solar panels.

Solar energy is the most abundant energy resource on earth -- 173,000 terawatts of solar energy strikes the Earth continuously. That's more than 10,000 times the world's total energy use.

Not that you could ever distinguish between a watt and 173,000 terawatts of continuous power

Doesn't matter much how much is available, if there is only a limited capacity to make use of it.

HarveyH55 wrote:
There is a huge potential amount of energy available from fusion reactors. Which, has been only 15 years away, for the past 50 years... Been a few years, but last I heard. They managed to keep the plasma burning, for almost 90 seconds. The record at the time. No attempts to actually generate electricty, or use the energy generated in those 90 seconds either.

Into the Night wrote:

Swan wrote:

HarveyH55 wrote:

Swan wrote:
Glad that you agree with the following

Solar energy is the most abundant energy resource on earth -- 173,000 terawatts of solar energy strikes the Earth continuously. That's more than 10,000 times the world's total energy use.

See you can still learn

Solar panels are less the 20% efficient at converting. There is marketing hype, and breakthrough research, claiming 30+, but that's in 'ideal', lab conditions. All that abundant solar energy, is also spread over a large surface area. Obviously, we can't cover the entire planet surface with solar panels. We need plants for food, which need solar energy, and also tend to cast shadows on solar panels... Cloud cover, and of course nighttime sort of reduce the amount of solar energy available to solar panels. There maybe a lot of potential solar energy available, but we can only utilize a small fraction of it. Solar panels degrade in the environment where they are used. Less the 20% is actually converted to electricity, the rest brutalizes the panel. Marketing estimates a 20+ years of production. Unfortunately, after 10 years, the panels have degraded significantly, and may no long produce sufficiently for the application. If you installed an 18 volt panel, to charge a 12 volt lead-acid battery. 10 years later, you probably won't get enough voltage to fully charge the battery, and cells in the battery die. You need larger panels, to compensate for degrading. The extra energy produced goes to waste, usually dissipated as heat.

Solar has it's uses, but mostly short term, temporary. You can get by on it for a while, but it's not a longterm solution.

LOL my post was about solar energy, not your flimsy solar panels.

Solar energy is the most abundant energy resource on earth -- 173,000 terawatts of solar energy strikes the Earth continuously. That's more than 10,000 times the world's total energy use.

Not that you could ever distinguish between a watt and 173,000 terawatts of continuous power

Argument from randU fallacy. Insult fallacy. No argument presented. Trolling.

Swan wrote:

Into the Night wrote:

Swan wrote:

HarveyH55 wrote:

Swan wrote:
Glad that you agree with the following

Solar energy is the most abundant energy resource on earth -- 173,000 terawatts of solar energy strikes the Earth continuously. That's more than 10,000 times the world's total energy use.

See you can still learn

Solar panels are less the 20% efficient at converting. There is marketing hype, and breakthrough research, claiming 30+, but that's in 'ideal', lab conditions. All that abundant solar energy, is also spread over a large surface area. Obviously, we can't cover the entire planet surface with solar panels. We need plants for food, which need solar energy, and also tend to cast shadows on solar panels... Cloud cover, and of course nighttime sort of reduce the amount of solar energy available to solar panels. There maybe a lot of potential solar energy available, but we can only utilize a small fraction of it. Solar panels degrade in the environment where they are used. Less the 20% is actually converted to electricity, the rest brutalizes the panel. Marketing estimates a 20+ years of production. Unfortunately, after 10 years, the panels have degraded significantly, and may no long produce sufficiently for the application. If you installed an 18 volt panel, to charge a 12 volt lead-acid battery. 10 years later, you probably won't get enough voltage to fully charge the battery, and cells in the battery die. You need larger panels, to compensate for degrading. The extra energy produced goes to waste, usually dissipated as heat.

Solar has it's uses, but mostly short term, temporary. You can get by on it for a while, but it's not a longterm solution.

LOL my post was about solar energy, not your flimsy solar panels.

Solar energy is the most abundant energy resource on earth -- 173,000 terawatts of solar energy strikes the Earth continuously. That's more than 10,000 times the world's total energy use.

Not that you could ever distinguish between a watt and 173,000 terawatts of continuous power

Argument from randU fallacy. Insult fallacy. No argument presented. Trolling.

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Robert Wagner wrote:
Into the Night, the broken record.

Into the Night wrote:

Robert Wagner wrote:
Into the Night, the broken record.

Inversion fallacy. You are describing yourself.
No argument presented. Trolling.

Robert Wagner wrote:

Into the Night wrote:

Robert Wagner wrote:
Into the Night, the broken record.

Inversion fallacy. You are describing yourself.
No argument presented. Trolling.

And talking about yourself, again, troll.

Into the Night wrote:

Robert Wagner wrote:

Into the Night wrote:

Robert Wagner wrote:
Into the Night, the broken record.

Inversion fallacy. You are describing yourself.
No argument presented. Trolling.

And talking about yourself, again, troll.

Inversion fallacy. You are describing yourself.
No argument presented. Trolling.

Robert Wagner wrote:

Into the Night wrote:

Robert Wagner wrote:

Into the Night wrote:

Robert Wagner wrote:
Into the Night, the broken record.

Inversion fallacy. You are describing yourself.
No argument presented. Trolling.

And talking about yourself, again, troll.

Inversion fallacy. You are describing yourself.
No argument presented. Trolling.

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Into the Night wrote:

Robert Wagner wrote:

Into the Night wrote:

Robert Wagner wrote:

Into the Night wrote:

Robert Wagner wrote:
Into the Night, the broken record.

Inversion fallacy. You are describing yourself.
No argument presented. Trolling.

And talking about yourself, again, troll.

Inversion fallacy. You are describing yourself.
No argument presented. Trolling.

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Swan wrote:

Into the Night wrote:

Robert Wagner wrote:

Into the Night wrote:

Robert Wagner wrote:

Into the Night wrote:

Robert Wagner wrote:Into the Night, the broken record.

Inversion fallacy. You are describing yourself. No argument presented. Trolling.

And talking about yourself, again, troll.

Inversion fallacy. You are describing yourself. No argument presented. Trolling.

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No argument presented. Trolling.

You just defined your own life

IBdaMann wrote:

Swan wrote:

Into the Night wrote:

Robert Wagner wrote:

Into the Night wrote:

Robert Wagner wrote:

Into the Night wrote:

Robert Wagner wrote:Into the Night, the broken record.

Inversion fallacy. You are describing yourself. No argument presented. Trolling.

And talking about yourself, again, troll.

Inversion fallacy. You are describing yourself. No argument presented. Trolling.

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No argument presented. Trolling.

You just defined your own life

Swan, I have to ask, why didn't you hurl that at Robert Wagner? Have you ever encountered a bigger loser than him? He hasn't added any value to this board or to the Danish board.

I'm just curious.

Swan wrote:What do you add value too?

IBdaMann wrote:

Swan wrote:What do you add value too?

You didn't answer my question ... but I'll answer yours.

I add value to everything I touch, to everything to which I contribute, to everything I build, to every design I either create or improve, and to every situation I influence.


Don't be afraid to come to me for some improvement or for answers to questions you find difficult.

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Swan wrote:

Into the Night wrote:

Robert Wagner wrote:

Into the Night wrote:

Robert Wagner wrote:

Into the Night wrote:

Robert Wagner wrote:
Into the Night, the broken record.

Inversion fallacy. You are describing yourself.
No argument presented. Trolling.

And talking about yourself, again, troll.

Inversion fallacy. You are describing yourself.
No argument presented. Trolling.

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Swan wrote:

IBdaMann wrote:

Swan wrote:

Into the Night wrote:

Robert Wagner wrote:

Into the Night wrote:

Robert Wagner wrote:

Into the Night wrote:

Robert Wagner wrote:Into the Night, the broken record.

Inversion fallacy. You are describing yourself. No argument presented. Trolling.

And talking about yourself, again, troll.

Inversion fallacy. You are describing yourself. No argument presented. Trolling.

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No argument presented. Trolling.

You just defined your own life

Swan, I have to ask, why didn't you hurl that at Robert Wagner? Have you ever encountered a bigger loser than him? He hasn't added any value to this board or to the Danish board.

I'm just curious.

What do you add value too?

Robert Wagner wrote:

IBdaMann wrote:

Swan wrote:What do you add value too?

You didn't answer my question ... but I'll answer yours.

I add value to everything I touch, to everything to which I contribute, to everything I build, to every design I either create or improve, and to every situation I influence.


Don't be afraid to come to me for some improvement or for answers to questions you find difficult.

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Into the Night wrote:

Robert Wagner wrote:

IBdaMann wrote:

Swan wrote:What do you add value too?

You didn't answer my question ... but I'll answer yours.

I add value to everything I touch, to everything to which I contribute, to everything I build, to every design I either create or improve, and to every situation I influence.


Don't be afraid to come to me for some improvement or for answers to questions you find difficult.

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No argument presented. Trolling.

IBdaMann wrote:

Swan wrote:What do you add value too?

You didn't answer my question ... but I'll answer yours.

I add value to everything I touch, to everything to which I contribute, to everything I build, to every design I either create or improve, and to every situation I influence.


Don't be afraid to come to me for some improvement or for answers to questions you find difficult.

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Swan wrote:Do you add value to your toilet when you touch it?

Robert Wagner wrote:

Into the Night wrote:

Robert Wagner wrote:

IBdaMann wrote:

Swan wrote:What do you add value too?

You didn't answer my question ... but I'll answer yours.

I add value to everything I touch, to everything to which I contribute, to everything I build, to every design I either create or improve, and to every situation I influence.


Don't be afraid to come to me for some improvement or for answers to questions you find difficult.

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Swan wrote:

IBdaMann wrote:

Swan wrote:What do you add value too?

You didn't answer my question ... but I'll answer yours.

I add value to everything I touch, to everything to which I contribute, to everything I build, to every design I either create or improve, and to every situation I influence.


Don't be afraid to come to me for some improvement or for answers to questions you find difficult.

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Into the Night wrote:

Swan wrote:

IBdaMann wrote:

Swan wrote:What do you add value too?

You didn't answer my question ... but I'll answer yours.

I add value to everything I touch, to everything to which I contribute, to everything I build, to every design I either create or improve, and to every situation I influence.


Don't be afraid to come to me for some improvement or for answers to questions you find difficult.

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No argument presented. Trolling.

Swan wrote:

Into the Night wrote:

Swan wrote:

IBdaMann wrote:

Swan wrote:What do you add value too?

You didn't answer my question ... but I'll answer yours.

I add value to everything I touch, to everything to which I contribute, to everything I build, to every design I either create or improve, and to every situation I influence.


Don't be afraid to come to me for some improvement or for answers to questions you find difficult.

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Into the Night wrote:

Swan wrote:

Into the Night wrote:

Swan wrote:

IBdaMann wrote:

Swan wrote:What do you add value too?

You didn't answer my question ... but I'll answer yours.

I add value to everything I touch, to everything to which I contribute, to everything I build, to every design I either create or improve, and to every situation I influence.


Don't be afraid to come to me for some improvement or for answers to questions you find difficult.

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Swan wrote:

Into the Night wrote:

Swan wrote:

Into the Night wrote:

Swan wrote:

IBdaMann wrote:

Swan wrote:What do you add value too?

You didn't answer my question ... but I'll answer yours.

I add value to everything I touch, to everything to which I contribute, to everything I build, to every design I either create or improve, and to every situation I influence.


Don't be afraid to come to me for some improvement or for answers to questions you find difficult.

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Into the Night wrote:

Swan wrote:

Into the Night wrote:

Swan wrote:

Into the Night wrote:

Swan wrote:

IBdaMann wrote:

Swan wrote:What do you add value too?

You didn't answer my question ... but I'll answer yours.

I add value to everything I touch, to everything to which I contribute, to everything I build, to every design I either create or improve, and to every situation I influence.


Don't be afraid to come to me for some improvement or for answers to questions you find difficult.

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Swan wrote:

Into the Night wrote:

Swan wrote:

Into the Night wrote:

Swan wrote:

Into the Night wrote:

Swan wrote:

IBdaMann wrote:

Swan wrote:What do you add value too?

You didn't answer my question ... but I'll answer yours.

I add value to everything I touch, to everything to which I contribute, to everything I build, to every design I either create or improve, and to every situation I influence.


Don't be afraid to come to me for some improvement or for answers to questions you find difficult.

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Into the Night wrote:

Swan wrote:

Into the Night wrote:

Swan wrote:

Into the Night wrote:

Swan wrote:

Into the Night wrote:

Swan wrote:

IBdaMann wrote:

Swan wrote:What do you add value too?

You didn't answer my question ... but I'll answer yours.

I add value to everything I touch, to everything to which I contribute, to everything I build, to every design I either create or improve, and to every situation I influence.


Don't be afraid to come to me for some improvement or for answers to questions you find difficult.

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Swan wrote:

Into the Night wrote:

Swan wrote:

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Swan wrote:

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Swan wrote:

Into the Night wrote:

Swan wrote:

IBdaMann wrote:

Swan wrote:What do you add value too?

You didn't answer my question ... but I'll answer yours.

I add value to everything I touch, to everything to which I contribute, to everything I build, to every design I either create or improve, and to every situation I influence.


Don't be afraid to come to me for some improvement or for answers to questions you find difficult.

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IBdaMann wrote:
I was looking up proper orthography for Climate Change and I learned that they don't use whole-bean digits, but rather use ground zeroes, and they prohibit cold punctuation, requiring warm periods among others.

Into the Night wrote:

Swan wrote:

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Swan wrote:

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Swan wrote:

IBdaMann wrote:

Swan wrote:What do you add value too?

You didn't answer my question ... but I'll answer yours.

I add value to everything I touch, to everything to which I contribute, to everything I build, to every design I either create or improve, and to every situation I influence.


Don't be afraid to come to me for some improvement or for answers to questions you find difficult.

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Ceist wrote:
New posters beware!

This forum is almost completely neglected by it's owner and is virtually unmoderated, so it has become the last refuge of a small handful of hardcore science deniers and conspiracy theorists who exhibit strong signs of mental illness - including personality disorders, autism spectrum disorders, narcissistic irrational and delusional thinking, emotional dis-regulation, paranoia, pathological lying, and abusive sociopathic manipulative behavior.

They have probably been banned from other forums for their poor behavior just as much as for their trolling of utterly irrational scientifically illiterate crackpot ideas.

Post at your own risk.

Hank wrote:

IBdaMann wrote:

Hank wrote:What business is it of yours what I want to do?/

What? Not even a "thank you"? I support your right to believe whatever WACKY religion you wish, no matter how stupidly illogical and contradictory to physics.

What a rude, thankless and scientifically illiterate prikk you are.

Have a great Stefan-Boltzmann day.


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What business is it of yours what I want to do?

branner wrote:
Please note that personal attacks are not welcome on Climate-Debate.com. I know that the forum has not been moderated so much lately, but users have been banned before, and that could easily happen again.

Therefore: Stop talking about mental illnesses or calling each other names. Surface Detail had a good advice, which I would like to copy: "Stay calm, ignore the abuse, and stick to the science."

Please send me a Private Message if something needs my immediate attention.

And to the new users: Welcome to Climate-Debate.com. I'm fully aware that this can be a tough place, but I hope you will help pushing it in a good direction. I still hope to get more time to moderate soon.

Hank wrote:

Surface Detail wrote:
Why are you even having this stupid argument? IBdaMann is a wind-up merchant. That's what he does and that's what he loves. You obviously know your science, Hank, so stick to that. Let the lurkers decide what makes sense.

I've been here about two months Surface and I'm about through. I can see that it's basically just a few guys that barely understand any science and just need to prop themselves up with each other's posts. But I've actually learned a few things from you and a few others that actually understand science. And someone PM'd me with a suggestion on another site where they actually debate science. You know I assume it takes quite a bit of work for whoever started this site and it's a shame it doesn't attract that many that are interested in real science.

Anyway I'm not arguing with IBdaMann, I'm just pasting the same thing over and over to see how many times he is going to fall for it. It not costing me any time. Anyway it's been a pleasure reading your post and maybe I'll see you again somewhere.

spot wrote:
If only you could go back in time and tell Tyndall about Stefan-Boltzmann you would have saved us all and you would have to find some other issue to post multiple unfunny posts on the same theme every waking hour of the day about on a barely moderated talk-board about. I have a suggestion, Why not try putting your super-genius musings on the wall of your local shit-house it probably will be more permanent.

spot wrote:
Considering that wikipedia says; "The law was deduced by Josef Stefan (1835–1893) in 1879 on the basis of experimental measurements made by John Tyndall" Stefan probably knew about Tyndalls statements about the atmosphere, if his work disproved it why did he not mention it?

Of course your reply will be sneering and full of stupid assertions and insinuations and probably contain your personal invented pejorative; "Warmzombies" (haha very funny) but you and I both know the real reason why Josef Stefan did not address this point, because he did not disprove the "Greenhouse Effect" or whatever you want to call it. Only an idiot would think he did.

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