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RE: How is heat retained within an actual greenhouse?16-05-2022 01:54
Im a BM
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James_ wrote:
IBdaMann wrote:
Swan wrote:Then why does the atmosphere of the Earth retain heat?

Swan, you really should learn what heat is.

Heat cannot be retained, contained, held, captured, imprisoned or stored.

Whoever baffled you with Global Warming booolsch't was merely manipulating you by your inability to call him/her/them on his/her/their booolsch't.

The atmosphere is part of the earth. It is pointless to discuss only the atmosphere without including the lithosphere and the hydrosphere. When you discuss the planet as a whole, it is in equilibrium; at any given moment, just as much energy is leaving the planet as is being absorbed. It does not matter what is going on in one part individually.

.



And now you're saying heat is generated from terrestrial forces like gravity
such as F = Gm1m2/r^2
It is good to know that people like you understand the basics. After all, even
a baby quits suckling its mother.


Right on, James!

Heat CAN be retained.

There is a reason that it is warmer inside an actual greenhouse than outside.

The infrared radiant energy keeps getting caught up and bouncing back inside, instead of going outside.

The greenhouse temperature rises higher than the outside air, despite having LESS radiant energy come in.

Outside the greenhouse, the full spectrum of sunlight that reaches the Earth's surface is there.

Inside the greenhouse, that portion of sun energy in the infrared part of the spectrum is blocked to prevent its entry.

When the sun goes down, the greenhouse takes longer to cool down than outside.

What about "greenhouse effect" from "greenhouse gases".

Radiant energy in the infrared part of the spectrum keeps getting intercepted before it can radiate out into outer space.

Greenhouse gas molecules have bonds that vibrate at infrared frequencies.

The heat being transported as radiation has to run the gauntlet obstacle course before it can get away from the atmosphere.
16-05-2022 02:30
James_
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You need to slow down. CO2 = KE.
More CO2 = more KE. More KE = more H2O.
It's warmer in a greenhouse because the wavelength of incoming solar IR has been changed. An increase in water vapor (H2O) will show this.
How can that be demonstrated?


Im a BM wrote:
James_ wrote:
IBdaMann wrote:
Swan wrote:Then why does the atmosphere of the Earth retain heat?

Swan, you really should learn what heat is.

Heat cannot be retained, contained, held, captured, imprisoned or stored.

Whoever baffled you with Global Warming booolsch't was merely manipulating you by your inability to call him/her/them on his/her/their booolsch't.

The atmosphere is part of the earth. It is pointless to discuss only the atmosphere without including the lithosphere and the hydrosphere. When you discuss the planet as a whole, it is in equilibrium; at any given moment, just as much energy is leaving the planet as is being absorbed. It does not matter what is going on in one part individually.

.



And now you're saying heat is generated from terrestrial forces like gravity
such as F = Gm1m2/r^2
It is good to know that people like you understand the basics. After all, even
a baby quits suckling its mother.


Right on, James!

Heat CAN be retained.

There is a reason that it is warmer inside an actual greenhouse than outside.

The infrared radiant energy keeps getting caught up and bouncing back inside, instead of going outside.

The greenhouse temperature rises higher than the outside air, despite having LESS radiant energy come in.

Outside the greenhouse, the full spectrum of sunlight that reaches the Earth's surface is there.

Inside the greenhouse, that portion of sun energy in the infrared part of the spectrum is blocked to prevent its entry.

When the sun goes down, the greenhouse takes longer to cool down than outside.

What about "greenhouse effect" from "greenhouse gases".

Radiant energy in the infrared part of the spectrum keeps getting intercepted before it can radiate out into outer space.

Greenhouse gas molecules have bonds that vibrate at infrared frequencies.

The heat being transported as radiation has to run the gauntlet obstacle course before it can get away from the atmosphere.
16-05-2022 03:01
James_
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Swan wrote:
IBdaMann wrote:
Swan wrote:Then why does the atmosphere of the Earth retain heat?

Swan, you really should learn what heat is.

Heat cannot be retained, contained, held, captured, imprisoned or stored.

Whoever baffled you with Global Warming booolsch't was merely manipulating you by your inability to call him/her/them on his/her/their booolsch't.

The atmosphere is part of the earth. It is pointless to discuss only the atmosphere without including the lithosphere and the hydrosphere. When you discuss the planet as a whole, it is in equilibrium; at any given moment, just as much energy is leaving the planet as is being absorbed. It does not matter what is going on in one part individually.

.

Nyuk Nyuk Nyuk



Your use of the 3 Stooges allows for a valid argument. Your "daddy" sneezed and then your "mommy" got pregnant. And next the stork brought you.
16-05-2022 05:06
IBdaMannProfile picture★★★★★
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James_ wrote:And now you're saying heat is generated from terrestrial forces like gravity such as F = Gm1m2/r^2

Aside from you saying that I said this, when did I actually say this?

I don't often use the word "heat" because I prefer to use it correctly and only use it when it is the correct word.
16-05-2022 05:11
James_
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Son, and now I need to ask if you used protection. Her "protection" might not always work. And "heat" is a flow of energy and often winds up with the guy saying "it's not my kid".



IBdaMann wrote:
James_ wrote:And now you're saying heat is generated from terrestrial forces like gravity such as F = Gm1m2/r^2

Aside from you saying that I said this, when did I actually say this?

I don't often use the word "heat" because I prefer to use it correctly and only use it when it is the correct word.
16-05-2022 05:19
IBdaMannProfile picture★★★★★
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James_ wrote:
Son, and now I need to ask if you used protection. Her "protection" might not always work. And "heat" is a flow of energy and often winds up with the guy saying "it's not my kid".



IBdaMann wrote:
James_ wrote:And now you're saying heat is generated from terrestrial forces like gravity such as F = Gm1m2/r^2

Aside from you saying that I said this, when did I actually say this?

I don't often use the word "heat" because I prefer to use it correctly and only use it when it is the correct word.

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16-05-2022 06:47
James_
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Oh My Putin!!!
Didn't the "We'll pay you to make babies work out?"


IBdaMann wrote:
James_ wrote:
Son, and now I need to ask if you used protection. Her "protection" might not always work. And "heat" is a flow of energy and often winds up with the guy saying "it's not my kid".



IBdaMann wrote:
James_ wrote:And now you're saying heat is generated from terrestrial forces like gravity such as F = Gm1m2/r^2

Aside from you saying that I said this, when did I actually say this?

I don't often use the word "heat" because I prefer to use it correctly and only use it when it is the correct word.
16-05-2022 07:51
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Im a BM wrote:
James_ wrote:
IBdaMann wrote:
Swan wrote:Then why does the atmosphere of the Earth retain heat?

Swan, you really should learn what heat is.

Heat cannot be retained, contained, held, captured, imprisoned or stored.

Whoever baffled you with Global Warming booolsch't was merely manipulating you by your inability to call him/her/them on his/her/their booolsch't.

The atmosphere is part of the earth. It is pointless to discuss only the atmosphere without including the lithosphere and the hydrosphere. When you discuss the planet as a whole, it is in equilibrium; at any given moment, just as much energy is leaving the planet as is being absorbed. It does not matter what is going on in one part individually.

.



And now you're saying heat is generated from terrestrial forces like gravity
such as F = Gm1m2/r^2
It is good to know that people like you understand the basics. After all, even
a baby quits suckling its mother.


Right on, James!

Heat CAN be retained.

There is a reason that it is warmer inside an actual greenhouse than outside.

The infrared radiant energy keeps getting caught up and bouncing back inside, instead of going outside.

The greenhouse temperature rises higher than the outside air, despite having LESS radiant energy come in.

Outside the greenhouse, the full spectrum of sunlight that reaches the Earth's surface is there.

Inside the greenhouse, that portion of sun energy in the infrared part of the spectrum is blocked to prevent its entry.

When the sun goes down, the greenhouse takes longer to cool down than outside.

What about "greenhouse effect" from "greenhouse gases".

Radiant energy in the infrared part of the spectrum keeps getting intercepted before it can radiate out into outer space.

Greenhouse gas molecules have bonds that vibrate at infrared frequencies.

The heat being transported as radiation has to run the gauntlet obstacle course before it can get away from the atmosphere.


Load of manure.. Greenhouse doesn't have wind blowing to dissipate the thermal energy. Augmenting the greenhouse with CO2, since plants really do well with more, than what little is currently available from the atmosphere. Doesn't effect the temperature, over a non-CO2 augmented greenhouse. It's something most people can check out in person, and locally, since CO2 augmentation has been pretty much a commercial standard for decades. Yeah, 1200 ppm makes a huge difference in production and quality.
16-05-2022 13:33
SwanProfile picture★★★★☆
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James_ wrote:
IBdaMann wrote:
Swan wrote:Then why does the atmosphere of the Earth retain heat?

Swan, you really should learn what heat is.

Heat cannot be retained, contained, held, captured, imprisoned or stored.

Whoever baffled you with Global Warming booolsch't was merely manipulating you by your inability to call him/her/them on his/her/their booolsch't.

The atmosphere is part of the earth. It is pointless to discuss only the atmosphere without including the lithosphere and the hydrosphere. When you discuss the planet as a whole, it is in equilibrium; at any given moment, just as much energy is leaving the planet as is being absorbed. It does not matter what is going on in one part individually.

.



And now you're saying heat is generated from terrestrial forces like gravity
such as F = Gm1m2/r^2
It is good to know that people like you understand the basics. After all, even
a baby quits suckling its mother.


Gravity does create heat as without gravity the Earth would have no internal friction.
16-05-2022 18:51
Into the NightProfile picture★★★★★
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Im a BM wrote:
James_ wrote:
IBdaMann wrote:
Swan wrote:Then why does the atmosphere of the Earth retain heat?

Swan, you really should learn what heat is.

Heat cannot be retained, contained, held, captured, imprisoned or stored.

Whoever baffled you with Global Warming booolsch't was merely manipulating you by your inability to call him/her/them on his/her/their booolsch't.

The atmosphere is part of the earth. It is pointless to discuss only the atmosphere without including the lithosphere and the hydrosphere. When you discuss the planet as a whole, it is in equilibrium; at any given moment, just as much energy is leaving the planet as is being absorbed. It does not matter what is going on in one part individually.

.



And now you're saying heat is generated from terrestrial forces like gravity
such as F = Gm1m2/r^2
It is good to know that people like you understand the basics. After all, even
a baby quits suckling its mother.


Right on, James!

Heat CAN be retained.

It is not possible to trap heat.
Im a BM wrote:
There is a reason that it is warmer inside an actual greenhouse than outside.

Yes. Due to lack of heat.
Im a BM wrote:
The infrared radiant energy keeps getting caught up and bouncing back inside, instead of going outside.

There is no such thing as 'radiant energy'. Greenhouses do not trap light.
Im a BM wrote:
The greenhouse temperature rises higher than the outside air, despite having LESS radiant energy come in.

There is no such thing as radiant energy. Light has no temperature.
Im a BM wrote:
Outside the greenhouse, the full spectrum of sunlight that reaches the Earth's surface is there.

Irrelevant. Light has no temperature.
Im a BM wrote:
Inside the greenhouse, that portion of sun energy in the infrared part of the spectrum is blocked to prevent its entry.

WRONG. Infrared light easily passes through the roof of a greenhouse.
Im a BM wrote:
When the sun goes down, the greenhouse takes longer to cool down than outside.

Due to lack of heat.
Im a BM wrote:
What about "greenhouse effect" from "greenhouse gases".

No gas or vapor has the capability to reduce entropy.
Im a BM wrote:
Radiant energy in the infrared part of the spectrum keeps getting intercepted before it can radiate out into outer space.

You can't heat the surface using a colder gas, dumbass. You are AGAIN discarding the 2nd law of thermodynamics and the Stefan-Boltzmann law.
Im a BM wrote:
Greenhouse gas molecules have bonds that vibrate at infrared frequencies.

The heat being transported as radiation has to run the gauntlet obstacle course before it can get away from the atmosphere.

You are AGAIN discarding the 2nd law of thermodynamics and the Stefan-Boltzmann law.

You can't reduce entropy...ever.
You can't trap heat.
You can't trap light.
You can't trap thermal energy. There is always heat.

Absorbing UV or visible light does not convert to thermal energy. It converts to chemical energy.

Only infrared light converts to thermal energy upon absorption.


The Parrot Killer

Debunked in my sig. - tmiddles

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nuclear powered ships do not require nuclear fuel. - Swan

While it is true that fossils do not burn it is also true that fossil fuels burn very well - Swan
16-05-2022 18:53
Into the NightProfile picture★★★★★
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James_ wrote:
You need to slow down. CO2 = KE.
More CO2 = more KE. More KE = more H2O.
It's warmer in a greenhouse because the wavelength of incoming solar IR has been changed. An increase in water vapor (H2O) will show this.
How can that be demonstrated?


Sorry, dude. There is no frequency term in the Stefan-Boltzmann law.


The Parrot Killer

Debunked in my sig. - tmiddles

Google keeps track of paranoid talk and i'm not on their list. I've been evaluated and certified. - keepit

nuclear powered ships do not require nuclear fuel. - Swan

While it is true that fossils do not burn it is also true that fossil fuels burn very well - Swan
16-05-2022 19:07
Into the NightProfile picture★★★★★
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Swan wrote:
James_ wrote:
IBdaMann wrote:
Swan wrote:Then why does the atmosphere of the Earth retain heat?

Swan, you really should learn what heat is.

Heat cannot be retained, contained, held, captured, imprisoned or stored.

Whoever baffled you with Global Warming booolsch't was merely manipulating you by your inability to call him/her/them on his/her/their booolsch't.

The atmosphere is part of the earth. It is pointless to discuss only the atmosphere without including the lithosphere and the hydrosphere. When you discuss the planet as a whole, it is in equilibrium; at any given moment, just as much energy is leaving the planet as is being absorbed. It does not matter what is going on in one part individually.

.



And now you're saying heat is generated from terrestrial forces like gravity
such as F = Gm1m2/r^2
It is good to know that people like you understand the basics. After all, even
a baby quits suckling its mother.


Gravity does create heat as without gravity the Earth would have no internal friction.

Gravity is not energy. Gravity is not friction. Gravity is not heat.


The Parrot Killer

Debunked in my sig. - tmiddles

Google keeps track of paranoid talk and i'm not on their list. I've been evaluated and certified. - keepit

nuclear powered ships do not require nuclear fuel. - Swan

While it is true that fossils do not burn it is also true that fossil fuels burn very well - Swan
Edited on 16-05-2022 19:08
16-05-2022 22:32
SwanProfile picture★★★★☆
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Into the Night wrote:
Swan wrote:
James_ wrote:
IBdaMann wrote:
Swan wrote:Then why does the atmosphere of the Earth retain heat?

Swan, you really should learn what heat is.

Heat cannot be retained, contained, held, captured, imprisoned or stored.

Whoever baffled you with Global Warming booolsch't was merely manipulating you by your inability to call him/her/them on his/her/their booolsch't.

The atmosphere is part of the earth. It is pointless to discuss only the atmosphere without including the lithosphere and the hydrosphere. When you discuss the planet as a whole, it is in equilibrium; at any given moment, just as much energy is leaving the planet as is being absorbed. It does not matter what is going on in one part individually.

.



And now you're saying heat is generated from terrestrial forces like gravity
such as F = Gm1m2/r^2
It is good to know that people like you understand the basics. After all, even
a baby quits suckling its mother.


Gravity does create heat as without gravity the Earth would have no internal friction.

Gravity is not energy. Gravity is not friction. Gravity is not heat.


Gravity is the universal force that creates energy, friction and heat. In fact without gravity there would be nothing to hold the sun together and as such there would be no sun or earth.

However you know better obviously

Now please grace us with your ignorance
16-05-2022 22:44
Into the NightProfile picture★★★★★
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Swan wrote:
Into the Night wrote:
Swan wrote:
James_ wrote:
IBdaMann wrote:
Swan wrote:Then why does the atmosphere of the Earth retain heat?

Swan, you really should learn what heat is.

Heat cannot be retained, contained, held, captured, imprisoned or stored.

Whoever baffled you with Global Warming booolsch't was merely manipulating you by your inability to call him/her/them on his/her/their booolsch't.

The atmosphere is part of the earth. It is pointless to discuss only the atmosphere without including the lithosphere and the hydrosphere. When you discuss the planet as a whole, it is in equilibrium; at any given moment, just as much energy is leaving the planet as is being absorbed. It does not matter what is going on in one part individually.

.



And now you're saying heat is generated from terrestrial forces like gravity
such as F = Gm1m2/r^2
It is good to know that people like you understand the basics. After all, even
a baby quits suckling its mother.


Gravity does create heat as without gravity the Earth would have no internal friction.

Gravity is not energy. Gravity is not friction. Gravity is not heat.


Gravity is the universal force that creates energy,

Gravity is not the universal force. It is simply a force. It is not possible to create energy out of nothing.
Swan wrote:
friction

Gravity does not create friction.
Swan wrote:
and heat.

Gravity is not heat nor does it heat anything.
Swan wrote:
In fact without gravity there would be nothing to hold the sun together and as such there would be no sun or earth.

So?
Swan wrote:
However you know better obviously

Now please grace us with your ignorance

You seem to think I am denying gravity. Why are you attempting to pivot like this?


The Parrot Killer

Debunked in my sig. - tmiddles

Google keeps track of paranoid talk and i'm not on their list. I've been evaluated and certified. - keepit

nuclear powered ships do not require nuclear fuel. - Swan

While it is true that fossils do not burn it is also true that fossil fuels burn very well - Swan
Edited on 16-05-2022 22:45
16-05-2022 22:53
SwanProfile picture★★★★☆
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Into the Night wrote:
Swan wrote:
Into the Night wrote:
Swan wrote:
James_ wrote:
IBdaMann wrote:
Swan wrote:Then why does the atmosphere of the Earth retain heat?

Swan, you really should learn what heat is.

Heat cannot be retained, contained, held, captured, imprisoned or stored.

Whoever baffled you with Global Warming booolsch't was merely manipulating you by your inability to call him/her/them on his/her/their booolsch't.

The atmosphere is part of the earth. It is pointless to discuss only the atmosphere without including the lithosphere and the hydrosphere. When you discuss the planet as a whole, it is in equilibrium; at any given moment, just as much energy is leaving the planet as is being absorbed. It does not matter what is going on in one part individually.

.



And now you're saying heat is generated from terrestrial forces like gravity
such as F = Gm1m2/r^2
It is good to know that people like you understand the basics. After all, even
a baby quits suckling its mother.


Gravity does create heat as without gravity the Earth would have no internal friction.

Gravity is not energy. Gravity is not friction. Gravity is not heat.


Gravity is the universal force that creates energy,

Gravity is not the universal force. It is simply a force. It is not possible to create energy out of nothing.
Swan wrote:
friction

Gravity does not create friction.
Swan wrote:
and heat.

Gravity is not heat nor does it heat anything.
Swan wrote:
In fact without gravity there would be nothing to hold the sun together and as such there would be no sun or earth.

So?
Swan wrote:
However you know better obviously

Now please grace us with your ignorance

You seem to think I am denying gravity. Why are you attempting to pivot like this?

Gravity is the universal force that creates energy, friction and heat. In fact without gravity there would be nothing to hold the sun together and as such there would be no sun or earth.

However you know better obviously

Now please grace us with your ignorance.

LOL.

gravity, also called gravitation, in mechanics, the universal force of attraction acting between all matter. It is by far the weakest known force in nature and thus plays no role in determining the internal properties of everyday matter. On the other hand, through its long reach and universal action, it controls the trajectories of bodies in the solar system and elsewhere in the universe and the structures and evolution of stars, galaxies, and the whole cosmos. On Earth all bodies have a weight, or downward force of gravity, proportional to their mass, which Earth's mass exerts on them. Gravity is measured by the acceleration that it gives to freely falling objects. At Earth's surface the acceleration of gravity is about 9.8 metres (32 feet) per second per second. Thus, for every second an object is in free fall, its speed increases by about 9.8 metres per second. At the surface of the Moon the acceleration of a freely falling body is about 1.6 metres per second per second.
16-05-2022 23:08
Into the NightProfile picture★★★★★
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Swan wrote:
...deleted mindless repetition...

gravity, also called gravitation,

That's not possible, according to you.
Swan wrote:
in mechanics,

Gravity is not mechanics.
Swan wrote:
the universal force of attraction acting between all matter.

It is by far the weakest known force in nature and thus plays no role in determining the internal properties of everyday matter.

Paradox. You are being irrational again.
Swan wrote:
...deleted incomplete argument...


Gravity is not energy. It does not cause heat. It is not friction. It is not heat.


The Parrot Killer

Debunked in my sig. - tmiddles

Google keeps track of paranoid talk and i'm not on their list. I've been evaluated and certified. - keepit

nuclear powered ships do not require nuclear fuel. - Swan

While it is true that fossils do not burn it is also true that fossil fuels burn very well - Swan
Edited on 16-05-2022 23:11
16-05-2022 23:31
SwanProfile picture★★★★☆
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Into the Night wrote:
Swan wrote:
...deleted mindless repetition...

gravity, also called gravitation,

That's not possible, according to you.
Swan wrote:
in mechanics,

Gravity is not mechanics.
Swan wrote:
the universal force of attraction acting between all matter.

It is by far the weakest known force in nature and thus plays no role in determining the internal properties of everyday matter.

Paradox. You are being irrational again.
Swan wrote:
...deleted incomplete argument...


Gravity is not energy. It does not cause heat. It is not friction. It is not heat.


All the fundamental forces of the universe are known to follow the laws of quantum mechanics, save one: gravity. Finding a way to fit gravity into quantum mechanics would bring scientists a giant leap closer to a "theory of everything" that could entirely explain the workings of the cosmos from first principles. A crucial first step in this quest to know whether gravity is quantum is to detect the long-postulated elementary particle of gravity, the graviton. In search of the graviton, physicists are now turning to experiments involving microscopic superconductors, free-falling crystals and the afterglow of the big bang.

Quantum mechanics suggests everything is made of quanta, or packets of energy, that can behave like both a particle and a wave—for instance, quanta of light are called photons. Detecting gravitons, the hypothetical quanta of gravity, would prove gravity is quantum. The problem is that gravity is extraordinarily weak. To directly observe the minuscule effects a graviton would have on matter, physicist Freeman Dyson famously noted, a graviton detector would have to be so massive that it collapses on itself to form a black hole.

"One of the issues with theories of quantum gravity is that their predictions are usually nearly impossible to experimentally test," says quantum physicist Richard Norte of Delft University of Technology in the Netherlands. "This is the main reason why there exist so many competing theories and why we haven't been successful in understanding how it actually works."

Time is an illusion
RE: Not just hadrons, dark matter and dark energy too..16-05-2022 23:59
Im a BM
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Swan wrote:
Into the Night wrote:
Swan wrote:
...deleted mindless repetition...

gravity, also called gravitation,

That's not possible, according to you.
Swan wrote:
in mechanics,

Gravity is not mechanics.
Swan wrote:
the universal force of attraction acting between all matter.

It is by far the weakest known force in nature and thus plays no role in determining the internal properties of everyday matter.

Paradox. You are being irrational again.
Swan wrote:
...deleted incomplete argument...


Gravity is not energy. It does not cause heat. It is not friction. It is not heat.


All the fundamental forces of the universe are known to follow the laws of quantum mechanics, save one: gravity. Finding a way to fit gravity into quantum mechanics would bring scientists a giant leap closer to a "theory of everything" that could entirely explain the workings of the cosmos from first principles. A crucial first step in this quest to know whether gravity is quantum is to detect the long-postulated elementary particle of gravity, the graviton. In search of the graviton, physicists are now turning to experiments involving microscopic superconductors, free-falling crystals and the afterglow of the big bang.

Quantum mechanics suggests everything is made of quanta, or packets of energy, that can behave like both a particle and a wave—for instance, quanta of light are called photons. Detecting gravitons, the hypothetical quanta of gravity, would prove gravity is quantum. The problem is that gravity is extraordinarily weak. To directly observe the minuscule effects a graviton would have on matter, physicist Freeman Dyson famously noted, a graviton detector would have to be so massive that it collapses on itself to form a black hole.

"One of the issues with theories of quantum gravity is that their predictions are usually nearly impossible to experimentally test," says quantum physicist Richard Norte of Delft University of Technology in the Netherlands. "This is the main reason why there exist so many competing theories and why we haven't been successful in understanding how it actually works."

Time is an illusion


Most of the discussion of physics is focused on that small part of everything in the universe comprised of hadrons. Hadrons include protons, neutrons, electrons, photons other particles in the visible part of the universe.

Gravity interacts with all hadrons.

But as far as universal forces go, gravity ALSO interacts with dark matter and dark energy.

Those two thing comprise the majority of the universe.
17-05-2022 01:12
SwanProfile picture★★★★☆
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Im a BM wrote:
Swan wrote:
Into the Night wrote:
Swan wrote:
...deleted mindless repetition...

gravity, also called gravitation,

That's not possible, according to you.
Swan wrote:
in mechanics,

Gravity is not mechanics.
Swan wrote:
the universal force of attraction acting between all matter.

It is by far the weakest known force in nature and thus plays no role in determining the internal properties of everyday matter.

Paradox. You are being irrational again.
Swan wrote:
...deleted incomplete argument...


Gravity is not energy. It does not cause heat. It is not friction. It is not heat.


All the fundamental forces of the universe are known to follow the laws of quantum mechanics, save one: gravity. Finding a way to fit gravity into quantum mechanics would bring scientists a giant leap closer to a "theory of everything" that could entirely explain the workings of the cosmos from first principles. A crucial first step in this quest to know whether gravity is quantum is to detect the long-postulated elementary particle of gravity, the graviton. In search of the graviton, physicists are now turning to experiments involving microscopic superconductors, free-falling crystals and the afterglow of the big bang.

Quantum mechanics suggests everything is made of quanta, or packets of energy, that can behave like both a particle and a wave—for instance, quanta of light are called photons. Detecting gravitons, the hypothetical quanta of gravity, would prove gravity is quantum. The problem is that gravity is extraordinarily weak. To directly observe the minuscule effects a graviton would have on matter, physicist Freeman Dyson famously noted, a graviton detector would have to be so massive that it collapses on itself to form a black hole.

"One of the issues with theories of quantum gravity is that their predictions are usually nearly impossible to experimentally test," says quantum physicist Richard Norte of Delft University of Technology in the Netherlands. "This is the main reason why there exist so many competing theories and why we haven't been successful in understanding how it actually works."

Time is an illusion


Most of the discussion of physics is focused on that small part of everything in the universe comprised of hadrons. Hadrons include protons, neutrons, electrons, photons other particles in the visible part of the universe.

Gravity interacts with all hadrons.

But as far as universal forces go, gravity ALSO interacts with dark matter and dark energy.

Those two thing comprise the majority of the universe.


LOL Dark matter and energy are only called dark because they have never been observed and may not be real. So much dark matter and energy is missing that now some are speculating that the universe is a simulation
18-05-2022 18:41
Into the NightProfile picture★★★★★
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Swan wrote:
Into the Night wrote:
Swan wrote:
...deleted mindless repetition...

gravity, also called gravitation,

That's not possible, according to you.
Swan wrote:
in mechanics,

Gravity is not mechanics.
Swan wrote:
the universal force of attraction acting between all matter.

It is by far the weakest known force in nature and thus plays no role in determining the internal properties of everyday matter.

Paradox. You are being irrational again.
Swan wrote:
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Gravity is not energy. It does not cause heat. It is not friction. It is not heat.


All the fundamental forces of the universe are known to follow the laws of quantum mechanics, save one: gravity.

Pivot fallacy. Gravity is not energy.
Swan wrote:
Finding a way to fit gravity into quantum mechanics would bring scientists a giant leap closer to a "theory of everything" that could entirely explain the workings of the cosmos from first principles.

There is no 'theory of everything'. A theory is not a Universal Truth.
Swan wrote:
A crucial first step in this quest to know whether gravity is quantum is to detect the long-postulated elementary particle of gravity, the graviton. In search of the graviton, physicists are now turning to experiments involving microscopic superconductors, free-falling crystals and the afterglow of the big bang.

How do you know the Big Bang happened? That's a religion.
Swan wrote:
Quantum mechanics suggests everything is made of quanta, or packets of energy, that can behave like both a particle and a wave—for instance, quanta of light are called photons.

Strawman fallacy.
Swan wrote:
Detecting gravitons, the hypothetical quanta of gravity, would prove gravity is quantum.

No, it wouldn't. It would only be an assignment and wouldn't prove anything. Even the photon is so assigned, and so is the electron. Quantum mechanics is just a theory and a model, nothing more. It is not a proof.
Swan wrote:
The problem is that gravity is extraordinarily weak. To directly observe the minuscule effects a graviton would have on matter, physicist Freeman Dyson famously noted, a graviton detector would have to be so massive that it collapses on itself to form a black hole.

"One of the issues with theories of quantum gravity is that their predictions are usually nearly impossible to experimentally test," says quantum physicist Richard Norte of Delft University of Technology in the Netherlands. "This is the main reason why there exist so many competing theories and why we haven't been successful in understanding how it actually works."

Which is to say it's not falsifiable.
Swan wrote:
Time is an illusion

Another random wandering. Rejected.

Gravity is not energy. Pivoting into quantum mechanics or talking about time does not change that.

Pivoting like this is a fallacy. You are trying to change the subject.


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Im a BM wrote:
Swan wrote:
Into the Night wrote:
Swan wrote:
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gravity, also called gravitation,

That's not possible, according to you.
Swan wrote:
in mechanics,

Gravity is not mechanics.
Swan wrote:
the universal force of attraction acting between all matter.

It is by far the weakest known force in nature and thus plays no role in determining the internal properties of everyday matter.

Paradox. You are being irrational again.
Swan wrote:
...deleted incomplete argument...


Gravity is not energy. It does not cause heat. It is not friction. It is not heat.


All the fundamental forces of the universe are known to follow the laws of quantum mechanics, save one: gravity. Finding a way to fit gravity into quantum mechanics would bring scientists a giant leap closer to a "theory of everything" that could entirely explain the workings of the cosmos from first principles. A crucial first step in this quest to know whether gravity is quantum is to detect the long-postulated elementary particle of gravity, the graviton. In search of the graviton, physicists are now turning to experiments involving microscopic superconductors, free-falling crystals and the afterglow of the big bang.

Quantum mechanics suggests everything is made of quanta, or packets of energy, that can behave like both a particle and a wave—for instance, quanta of light are called photons. Detecting gravitons, the hypothetical quanta of gravity, would prove gravity is quantum. The problem is that gravity is extraordinarily weak. To directly observe the minuscule effects a graviton would have on matter, physicist Freeman Dyson famously noted, a graviton detector would have to be so massive that it collapses on itself to form a black hole.

"One of the issues with theories of quantum gravity is that their predictions are usually nearly impossible to experimentally test," says quantum physicist Richard Norte of Delft University of Technology in the Netherlands. "This is the main reason why there exist so many competing theories and why we haven't been successful in understanding how it actually works."

Time is an illusion


Most of the discussion of physics is focused on that small part of everything in the universe comprised of hadrons. Hadrons include protons, neutrons, electrons, photons other particles in the visible part of the universe.

Gravity interacts with all hadrons.

Protons, neutrons, electrons, photons, and gravity are not visible.
Im a BM wrote:
But as far as universal forces go,

No such thing. Buzzword fallacy.
Im a BM wrote:
gravity ALSO interacts with dark matter and dark energy.

Buzzword fallacies. Define 'dark matter' and 'dark energy'. You are wandering into another religion.
Im a BM wrote:
Those two thing comprise the majority of the universe.

How do you know? Can you see them? If they are 'dark', how do you know they exist?


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